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Synergy Nation Mark Unseen   Jun 9 18:22 UTC 2001

I'm posting this at the suggestion of Mark Conger.  I am requesting
cooperation between the Synergy Nation  ( http://nodes.org/nation )
and Grex.  I have unique web technology which is evident in the
Synergy MetaBrowser.  You must be a "citizen" in the Synergy Nation
to use the MetaBrowser ( http://purl.net/nodes/mb ). Why?  Because
I'm seeking to elevate the bar on ethical behavior by insisting
that people are sponsored into the organization.  That way if someone
sponsors people who have evil intentions, they could jeapardize
their citizenship as well.

I'm willing to sponsor people who are interested in cooperating towards
making it possible for us to form political alliances online and support 
good ideas in the REAL world.  I envision this will be done through
online petitions, conferences ( like this one ) and mailing lists.

The Synergy MetaBrowser has a few unique capabilities:

* When you use the MetaBrowser every site you visit knows who you
are, what your intersts are, what you are seeking and what you are
offering.  It has permission to record and use this information
if it belongs to the Synergy Nation or a cooperating network ( like 
Grex, perhaps).  Pages which have the 1K "Cooperator" can access
this data which is encrypted with JavaScript into the window.name
property.

* You can create MetaPages, where a piece of the page comes from
the source host and a piece comes from the MetaBrowser.  This
makes it possible to do Cooperative Web Programming, fill out
forms automatically, log user activity, etc.

*  You can load any page as MetaText, which means you can have
every single word linked to a number of different search engines,
extract email addresses ( even if they aren't links ), extract
links, and make a search page. You also can email, recommend, 
bookmark ( on the system) and rate the page.  When you think about
it, making bookmarks on a server makes much more sense because you
have them where you go!

* You can run the MetaBrowser from your hard drive or the net.
When you sign up for the Synergy Nation  you get to download
the Synergy MetaBrowser which is a collection of HTML, JavaScript
and graphics files   ( 200k ).  Because the MetaBrowser runs on
your hard drive  ( no installation or site certificates ) it
runs much faster and you can customize it if you wish.  Remember,
the MetaBrowser incorporates content from ANYWHERE on the net.
This is actually an amazing achievement, given the security
restrictions we endure with browser technology.

I'd be happy to sponsor anyone who may want to get involved,
either from a technological perspective or a political one.
The MetaBrowser can be used for any purpose.  The Synergy
Nation is designed for only ethical people who want to be
open, honest and honorable.

I'll be releasing a commercial version for the rest of the folks.

Blessings,

Steve Moyer
http://nodes.org/steve
Author, Synergy MetaBrowser
http://purl.net/nodes/mb
First Citizen, Synergy Nation
http://purl.net/net/nation
Author, Synergy Desktop
http://purl.net/nodes/desktop
13 responses total.
prodigal
response 1 of 13: Mark Unseen   Jun 9 19:17 UTC 2001

What type of cooperation are you seeking?
aruba
response 2 of 13: Mark Unseen   Jun 10 00:14 UTC 2001

I'm afraid I really don't get what this is about, Steve.  Are you asking for
Grex to partner with you in some way?  If so, what's in it for us, and
what's in it for you?
davel
response 3 of 13: Mark Unseen   Jun 10 19:14 UTC 2001

(I presume "I'm posting this at the suggestion of Mark Conger" means that he
said that posting here was the way to get discussion of such proposals, not
that he endorsed it ... especially in view of resp #2.)

I also am baffled as to what we're being asked to do, and (whatever it is)
why we should want to do it.
aruba
response 4 of 13: Mark Unseen   Jun 11 01:06 UTC 2001

(Right - Steve sent me mail about this, and I said I didn't really
understand, but it sounded like the best place to discuss it would be in
coop.)
janc
response 5 of 13: Mark Unseen   Jun 11 18:51 UTC 2001

"When you use the MetaBrowser every site you visit knows who you
 are, what your intersts are, what you are seeking and what you are
 offering"

Personally, I like anonymity.  I don't want to be identified to every site
I visit.  As near as I can figure, this is all about issuing Internet ID
cards.  Yucky.
cmcgee
response 6 of 13: Mark Unseen   Jun 12 00:36 UTC 2001

Actually, MetaBrowser sounds exactly the opposite of what I want.  I don't
want to be part of a site that polices my behavior (only "nice" people are
allowed in) and/or tracks it (what janc said). 

Sends shivers up my spine! (oops, wait, as a spineless liberal, how can
that be?   ;-)
russ
response 7 of 13: Mark Unseen   Jun 13 00:48 UTC 2001

Agreement with #5 and #6.

I surf with cookies OFF, Java and Javascript OFF, and anything else
that could send unwanted (by me) information back to the site or its
banner advertisers OFF.  Such things amount to demanding identity
papers, and these people have no business knowing who is window-shopping.
The only time I turn things on is when I am doing something which
involves a transaction, where they have just cause to inquire about
my bona fides... and I have to agree that the cause is just.

This meta-browser?  You'd have to pay me several tens of dollars PER
HOUR to give anyone the private information I'd be revealing through
it.  Anonymizing proxies (different one with every page load, and the
"referrer" field blanked; no click trails) are where I'm headed.  The
things you want to know are things you have no business knowing.

I'm out of your league, nodes.  So's half the world.  Get used to it.
gull
response 8 of 13: Mark Unseen   Jun 14 01:27 UTC 2001

Having cookies off must make it tough to surf sites that you log into, like
Backtalk.  Temporary cookies are the only way of keeping that kind of state
in an HTTP environment.
janc
response 9 of 13: Mark Unseen   Jun 14 01:57 UTC 2001

No, they aren't.  In fact, Backtalk uses no cookies.  There are at least two
other commonly used solutions - if you do logins via basic authentication,
as Backtalk does, the browser automatically does a fresh login with each
new page hit.  State information can also be passed from page to page in
CGI arguments.  Backtalk does both of these - your identity is tracked through
the basic authentication system, and your current state is tracked via CGI
parameters.  See http://www.wwnet.net/~janc/auth.html for too much
information on the subject.
mdw
response 10 of 13: Mark Unseen   Jun 14 02:50 UTC 2001

It should be noted that basic authentication also means your password
goes over, in the clear, with each succeding web fetch made using that
authentication scheme.  I'm not sure if the browser is smart enough to
remember pathname information, or if it just sends it over with *every*
page reference made thereafter to that site.
jp2
response 11 of 13: Mark Unseen   Jun 14 03:33 UTC 2001

This response has been erased.

janc
response 12 of 13: Mark Unseen   Jun 15 04:49 UTC 2001

Yup.  Basic authentication has that problem, and about the only cure is https.
The browser is mostly smart enough to remember pathinfo, but there are some
problems with that.  Other authentication schemes have other problems that
may make them even less suitable for use on Grex.
mdw
response 13 of 13: Mark Unseen   Jun 15 23:27 UTC 2001

Note that if you really care, https 40 bit won't cut it.  Also note that
https has a big performance hit.
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