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Grex > Coop12 > #172: Proposal for web interface for mail.... | |
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greycell
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Proposal for web interface for mail....
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Feb 17 08:35 UTC 2003 |
Hi to all
Although i have not been through all the conferences still i think its the
place to discuss about it.. What if we have a wen interface for our emails
(like http://freeshell.org had). I think that will solve our problem to
check email without running telnet on to grex.
Its just a proposal or matter of discussion..!!!!!!!
Regards
mukesh ..
:)
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janc
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response 1 of 45:
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Feb 17 16:41 UTC 2003 |
The argument historically has been:
- providing mail service is something like our tertiary goal.
- the demand for mail service is high, as seen by the size of the free
commerical mail servers.
- if we provided fully convenient mail service then we would be innundated
with users who use Grex only as a mail service. Few of them would donate
to the system, many resources would be consumed.
So we've been leery of proving POP-mail or web-mail.
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keesan
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response 2 of 45:
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Feb 17 17:09 UTC 2003 |
I suggest that you try using email.seznam.cz for webmail. It is much quicker
and easier to use than Yahoo mail. There are also plenty of other free
webmail services around.
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jp2
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response 3 of 45:
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Feb 20 21:40 UTC 2003 |
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greycell
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response 4 of 45:
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Feb 21 03:01 UTC 2003 |
Yeah Squirremail is the best idea...
AS i told earlier freeshell.org also provied webmail through that..!
so why not Grex.
cya
regards
mukesh
:)
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mynxcat
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response 5 of 45:
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Feb 21 16:03 UTC 2003 |
I use squirrelmail on my site. It's a good option considering that my company
has blocked every known source of webmail for me
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keesan
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response 6 of 45:
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Feb 21 20:31 UTC 2003 |
How can a company block all webmail sites? There are probably hundreds of
them. Try email.seznam.cz.
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mynxcat
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response 7 of 45:
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Feb 21 21:21 UTC 2003 |
They've blocked the more popular ones, and whne they catch people using others
they block those too. I have an accout on yahoo, and don't think it worth it
making an account on an obscure webmail server, just so i can check it at
work.
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keesan
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response 8 of 45:
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Feb 22 00:31 UTC 2003 |
You can get popmail from email.seznam.cz - would they catch you at that?
Can they block you from telnetting to grex?
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mynxcat
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response 9 of 45:
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Feb 22 03:06 UTC 2003 |
They haven't blocked telnet yet, which is how I bbs from work. I'm not
desperate about getting email at work. If at all I require it, squirrelmail
on my site suffices.
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i
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response 10 of 45:
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Feb 22 03:13 UTC 2003 |
Um, Sindi - it's possible that mynxcat's employer would be annoyed by
more efforts to get around its blocks on employee internet use and do
something undesirable to mynxcat as a result. It's even possible that
mynxcat isn't independently wealthy, and needs to have a job.
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greycell
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response 11 of 45:
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Feb 23 05:05 UTC 2003 |
Hi to all
It happens in most of companies that they block email sites..what they all have
to do is to block the site which conatain the keyword "mail, free mail " in
their META tags.So its not that wierd its common and i would like to ask keesan
(#8) why he like this website email.seznam.cz that much. I have been there but
I found it pretty badly organised when I opt for english version the next link
it shows was in the language that dunno...so don't u suggest this website to
anymore... thanx regards mukesh :)
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greycell
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response 12 of 45:
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Feb 23 05:06 UTC 2003 |
Yeah one more thing we are discussing that should grex allow webmail interface
instead of telnetting to grex.org for reading mail ?
regards
mukesh
:)
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russ
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response 13 of 45:
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Feb 23 14:18 UTC 2003 |
If Grex implements web-based e-mail, Grex will just get blocked by
all the companies which block web-mail providers.
Then there is the CPU overhead of web-anything. PicoSpan is very
efficient, and runs quickly even on a heavily-loaded system. In
contrast, Backtalk is many times as CPU-consumptive, which probably
accounts for a lot of the slowness of Grex during peak hours. (The
major part of the CPU load may come from other factors, but PicoSpan
runs much faster than Backtalk during those times.)
Now you, greycell, are suggesting that we add ANOTHER CPU-hog utility
to our already-oversubscribed Grex. Do you really have a grey cell?
I offer a counter-proposal: eliminate off-site e-mail service to
new accounts. That will remove a lot of load on Grex's CPU and
net connection, and make everything else much better for everyone.
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cross
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response 14 of 45:
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Feb 23 14:45 UTC 2003 |
Wow, a simple, ``no, we don't have the resources'' would have sufficed.
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gull
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response 15 of 45:
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Feb 23 21:41 UTC 2003 |
Russ has a tendancy to confuse ignorance with stupidity, I think.
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jmsaul
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response 16 of 45:
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Feb 24 15:31 UTC 2003 |
He also seems to dislike Grex's Indian users.
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mynxcat
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response 17 of 45:
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Feb 24 15:41 UTC 2003 |
re13> You've been proposing that we stop external email t onew user accounts.
Of course you do. YOu already have outgoing email, that change wouldn't affect
you. However, that's pretty unfair to new users. And what about old users
whose accounts have been reaped, and need to make a new account?
That solution smacks of short-sightedness and selfish reasons. If you think
that resources that grex has does not permit external email, then I think that
the external email should be provided to people who are contributing to the
physical resources in some way, like maybe paid members, rather than how long
the users have been on Grex.
No, I'm not proposing that we let only paidd users use mail forexternal
purposes. And no, what is decided either way doesn't affect me. I don't use
grex of external mail, and don't think I ever will.
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russ
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response 18 of 45:
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Feb 25 03:08 UTC 2003 |
Re #16: Only the Hindi-only users and wabbits (the latter have mostly
disappeared). There's something wrong when people telnet halfway
around the world to have a conversation in a language not spoken in
their "destination" country except by people from their own.
Mostly, I hate having Grex slowed down or even stopped to process
the huge quantities of mail that these people think it's their right
to move through here; if the crush of their mail is causing problems
for people trying to use BBS, we should cut the amount of CPU and
bandwidth they use. You'll notice that I think they SHOULD use
Grex's services to interact with the rest of Grex's user community;
that's what Grex is for. Free-email people should be sent elsewhere
so long as our resources are constrained.
Re #17: Returning old users would have to make a special request to
get e-mail access, same as new users. That was in my previous proposal.
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ea
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response 19 of 45:
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Feb 25 04:09 UTC 2003 |
Next russ will be proposing a Pat Buchanon-like wall to keep out
everyone that's not from America *rolls eyes*
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mynxcat
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response 20 of 45:
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Feb 25 14:46 UTC 2003 |
Re 18> Couple of points. I'm sure there are a few old users who have email
access and do not use party or BBS. What about them? Are yo saying that they
can't use email? What about new users who use BBS and party? Should they not
have email?
You may not agree, but I think that a large chunk of people that are
introduced to grex do so because of the email service. Especially when you
work in a company that has no http access, but allows you to access telnet,
grex, and mnet are heave-send. That's the reason I came to GREX in 1997. I
stayed for totally different reasons. Of course you have to provide a
compelling case for someone to stay and become part of the community. But
saying that you're a new user, you will not be given free email will not
attract any new users to GREX and into the community. However, if you want
it that way, that no one else should be allowed into the grex community, come
out and say it. Don't hide under this email issue.
And don't limit the ban to just Hindi speaking people. I've seen people come
into party and hold conversations in Spansih and Polish. singling out
Hindi-speakers just smacks of racism, and is totally unbecoming for a GREX
user. (And the only time I've really seen Hindi speakers come into party and
try to hold a conversation in Hindi is at 3:00 am and later, when there are
no othe rEnglish speakers in party anyways. However, I've seen Spansih and
Polish speakers at the peak "English" speaking times>
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gull
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response 21 of 45:
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Feb 25 21:01 UTC 2003 |
I originally just used Grex for mail. My BBSing came later.
My mail load has probably reached unreasonable levels because of the mailing
lists I'm on, though. Maybe I should shift some of it to other accounts.
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jmsaul
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response 22 of 45:
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Feb 25 22:15 UTC 2003 |
Maybe we need a proposal to make English the Official Language of Grex, and
ban anyone who tries to speak anything else!
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keesan
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response 23 of 45:
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Feb 25 22:24 UTC 2003 |
With points off for spelling errors and bad grammar. Ten points and you are
out.
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slynne
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response 24 of 45:
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Feb 25 22:28 UTC 2003 |
Je n'aime pas cette id e. Je ne pourrais pas tre une personne
d sagr able si cela se produisait. Je ne pourrais pas aller aux
poissons de Babel obtenir de mauvaises traductions pour entrer. Je ne
pourrais pas tre fran ais alors. AUCUN NO. de non!
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