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Conference proposal - "M-Net General Cf" Mark Unseen   Sep 23 16:05 UTC 2002

A while back, I started a conference on M-Net called "Agora," the 
purpse of which was to combine "traditional Grex civility and M-Net 
viciousness."  I had only a vague idea of what that was supposed to 
mean.  In the event, it soon changed into a parody cf, with send-ups of 
various Grexers being entered by people from both systems (with the 
occasional "mnetter" parody thrown in for good measure).  The M-Net 
Agora cf has its ups and downs, but when it's funny it's very funny 
indeed.

It has been said that such a conference would not succeed on Grex.  
It's true that on Grex you don't see the weird obsession with the other 
system that you see on M-Net.  Also, Grexers can seem rather grimly 
issue-oriented, less into fun for the sake of fun.  I'm not sure that's 
100% true, but there's only one way to find out: I propose a new 
conference called "General."  ("M-Net" is already taken.)  The purpose 
of the General cf would be to enable people from both systems to 
lampoon M-Net and "mnetters," using the real General cf on the real M-
Net as a springboard.  Yes, that would require actually reading the 
real General cf on the real M-Net, but remember we must sacrifice for 
our art.

Please vote yes.
94 responses total.
jp2
response 1 of 94: Mark Unseen   Sep 23 16:11 UTC 2002

This response has been erased.

cmcgee
response 2 of 94: Mark Unseen   Sep 23 16:17 UTC 2002

Argh, just when I though Richard's idea to delete conferences was stupid,
someone comes along to propose one that should be allowed to be born, die,
and return to electrons.
md
response 3 of 94: Mark Unseen   Sep 23 16:54 UTC 2002

I take 1 to be a yes, and 2 to be a no.  [sniff]
richard
response 4 of 94: Mark Unseen   Sep 23 18:50 UTC 2002

the conf proposed in #0 seems redundant.  this would be part of the problem,
not part of the solution.  I'm advocating a tighter organization of the confs
so they are presented in the most accessible way possible.  This conf would
be another way of confusing users who come here and driving them away.  
carson
response 5 of 94: Mark Unseen   Sep 23 19:22 UTC 2002

(technically speaking, "general" also is taken.)
scott
response 6 of 94: Mark Unseen   Sep 23 19:49 UTC 2002

I don't have a problem with the proposed conference.  And I suspect md has
been on Grex long enough to know what he's doing.
other
response 7 of 94: Mark Unseen   Sep 23 20:09 UTC 2002

Alright!  Another DOA conference.  Sure, why not?  

In fact, let's make 12 of them.  One for each month.
carson
response 8 of 94: Mark Unseen   Sep 23 22:25 UTC 2002

(I suspect md knows that there's no need for a "vote" on whether a conference
is created.)
md
response 9 of 94: Mark Unseen   Sep 23 22:30 UTC 2002

How's it done, then?  Am I at least on the right track here?
md
response 10 of 94: Mark Unseen   Sep 23 22:33 UTC 2002

5: Gack, "general" is a synonym for "agora."  I did not know that.  
Okay, how about "mnetparody"?
remmers
response 11 of 94: Mark Unseen   Sep 23 23:10 UTC 2002

(The protocol for getting a new conference is:
    1. Propose it in Coop (actually, there's an item specifically for
       doing that, but proposing it in its own item is okay too I guess).
    2. Allow a few days for user input into the proposal (the number of days
       isn't officially spelled out anywhere, but traditionally it's 5 days).
    3. If at the end of the discussion period, the proposer still wants the
       conference, it's created.)

So my input is that this is a cool idea, so I'm in favor and plan to
participate.  Technically it can't be called "general" though, because
"general" is an alias for "agora" on Grex.  You might want to come up
with another name.
gelinas
response 12 of 94: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 04:27 UTC 2002

Richard, this is just evidence that you are on the wrong track.  Don't take
it personally.

I won't participate, but why not let those who will enjoy it have at?
md
response 13 of 94: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 14:26 UTC 2002

Thanks, Joe.

I'd also like to propose an "M-Net Auction" conference here on Grex, 
since they can't seem to get the one on M-Net to work.  (Kidding.)
mynxcat
response 14 of 94: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 16:14 UTC 2002

I'm not sure if the mnet parody cf would work here. The main reason agora
works on mnet is because grexers on the whole take themselves too seriously,
and thats always a fun virtue to parody.

Mnetters on the other hand are basically goofballs. Not to say they're not
serious when occasion demands, but it takes a lot to make an mnetter take an
item seriously.

Also, the people who make agora a success on mnet are the ones who participate
on agora here. And quite a few mnetters  do that. Grexers on the other hand
aren't frequent visitors of general on mnet, so you couldn't expect much input
from them. What you will end up getting is mnetters parodying themselves here.
And that would just be like reading general on mnet
slynne
response 15 of 94: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 16:30 UTC 2002

The flame.cf on Mnet used to have really great stuff. 
iggy
response 16 of 94: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 16:38 UTC 2002

i KNEW someone would rat us out.
and it figures it would be that turncoat MD-- you bastard!
md
response 17 of 94: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 16:49 UTC 2002

14: But mynxcat, the very ones who participate in the "general" 
conferences on both systems, like slynne and iggy (who actually lost 
their virginity straddling the fence between Grex and M-Net), might be 
the ones to make the "M-Net General" cf on Grex limp along, at least.  
As to Grexers on the whole taking themselves too seriously, okay sure, 
the evidence of this item might seem to confirm that, I admit -- yet 
will I not despair.

15: You must be really old to remember that.  ;-)

16: ??
mynxcat
response 18 of 94: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 17:15 UTC 2002

Is the flame.cf cf in mnet still active. I MUST check that out. But I don't
think its the same as parodying people is it? 

md, I'm all for this cf. I assure you. But I wouldn't get my hopes up of it
really hitting it off. However, if I'm proved wrong, I'd be really thrilled,
as I mentioned on mnet, there are a few mnetters that are very parodiable,
and I would love to see them being done. And a little more humor in the world
never hurt anyone
md
response 19 of 94: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 17:39 UTC 2002

The flame cf on mnet used to be hilarious, as slynne says, but it got 
unfunny many years ago.  You'd probably have to find an 
archived "oldoldflame" to see the good stuff.
iggy
response 20 of 94: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 17:55 UTC 2002

yeah, it was funny when people used to really get mad at each other.
now it is all pretend fights.
mynxcat
response 21 of 94: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 18:21 UTC 2002

Pretend is never fun! Come on lets have some real flame wars.
prp0
response 22 of 94: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 18:50 UTC 2002

But shouldn't the name be M-Nut?
remmers
response 23 of 94: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 20:25 UTC 2002

I think "mnut" is a good name for the conference Michael is proposing.
Conveys the general idea and doesn't conflict with an existing name.
slynne
response 24 of 94: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 21:14 UTC 2002

flame.cf used to be a lot of fun when people actually would get into 
real rip roaring fights in there. I had a few! And there was some 
classic, classic parody. I might have linked an item or two to the 
classics.cf on Mnet. I *know* linked the "Grex IQ filter" item.
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