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jp2
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YAPP vs. PicoSpan
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May 10 20:35 UTC 2002 |
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glenda
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response 1 of 58:
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May 10 21:32 UTC 2002 |
I left M-Net because of YAPP, don't like it at all. I am happy with PicoSpan
and the way it works.
Just my two cents.
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jp2
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response 2 of 58:
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May 10 22:42 UTC 2002 |
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jmsaul
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response 3 of 58:
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May 11 05:28 UTC 2002 |
I'm curious what you didn't like about YAPP, Glenda. To me, they're basically
the same.
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glenda
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response 4 of 58:
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May 11 14:12 UTC 2002 |
One of the biggest things was when it was first implemented nothing in my
.login, .logout, .cfonce, etc. would work and there was nothing or no one
online to tell me how to set YAPP up the same way. When someone did give me
help it wasn't exactly the same. I spent a long time getting PicoSpan
configured the way I wanted to use it. At the time I had 2 small children
and didn't have the time to go through it again. I wanted to be able to get
on, read my mail and conferences and get off, usually when I could get both
kids to take a nap. Getting Damon to nap at that age was a real chore and,
if I was lucky, would give me around 15-20 minutes before Staci was up :-)
I just said the hell with it for now. By the time both kids were in school
and I had time for such things I'd gotten out of the M-Net habit, into Grex
habit and had forgotten my M-Net password. Since I have a lifetime
Patronship, I wasn't going to create a new account and staff/board at that
time was less than useful when I asked for help with the password.
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jmsaul
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response 5 of 58:
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May 11 15:15 UTC 2002 |
If you ever want to go back, email trex@arbornet.org. Or styles. Either one
of those guys will sort your account out.
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jp2
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response 6 of 58:
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May 11 15:56 UTC 2002 |
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glenda
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response 7 of 58:
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May 11 16:57 UTC 2002 |
Ok, PicoSpan works. If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.
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keesan
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response 8 of 58:
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May 11 17:03 UTC 2002 |
Trex did a quick job of restoring my account when it was reaped after I paid
for a year and did not use it for a couple of months, also got the newuser
problem fixed quickly when we were unable to sign up a friend.
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remmers
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response 9 of 58:
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May 11 17:07 UTC 2002 |
I use both Picospan and YAPP regularly. The user interfaces are
nearly identical. There's some Picospan functionality I like a
little better, some Yapp functionality I like a little better,
but its all just occasionally used marginal stuff. In view of
that, I don't see that the benefit of migrating from one to the
other (in either direction) would be worth the administrative
effort. As far as speed differences are concerned, I suspect
that any such would be moot when Grex moves to faster, more
modern hardware.
A major reason for NOT switching from Picospan to YAPP is
compatibility with the Backtalk web interface, which a lot of
Grex users depend on. It would certainly be possible to
adapt Backtalk to be compatible with YAPP, but I suspect that
it would involve a substantial amount of programming because
of internal differences between the YAPP and Picospan file
structures. One thing we *certainly* wouldn't want to do
is force Grex's web users to switch from Backtalk to YAPP's
awful WebYAPP interface. If we did that, users would
be clamoring for staff resignations, and rightly so.
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jmsaul
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response 10 of 58:
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May 11 17:45 UTC 2002 |
WebYAPP is hideous, I agree. If you have a lot of people who use your web
interface, you probably shouldn't switch for that reason alone.
I'm curious, though... can YAPP and Picospan read each other's conference
files transparently? If so, would it be possible to make both available for
telnet users?
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remmers
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response 11 of 58:
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May 11 18:05 UTC 2002 |
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remmers
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response 12 of 58:
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May 11 18:27 UTC 2002 |
No. Some data is kept in different places and in different
formats (e.g. user participation files). There are concurrency
issues as well -- they probably using different file locking
schemes, so that for example in two people are responding to
the same item at the same time, one using Picospan and the
other using Yapp, the responses might get intermingled and
system files might not get updated correctly.
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jp2
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response 13 of 58:
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May 11 20:37 UTC 2002 |
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jep
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response 14 of 58:
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May 11 21:14 UTC 2002 |
Hahaha. Marcus is here, and has the source; if he wants to compile
Picospan for the new system, he can do so.
M-Net switched to YAPP because we were unable to get a copy of Picospan
for our system after the Altos died. Dave Thaler wrote YAPP in
response to our need, and we were very lucky he could do a competent
job at duplicating Picospan. He did more than a competent job, he did
a marvelous job.
WebYAPP, though, has never been ready for prime time. Backtalk is way,
way better. I use both daily. I yearn for the day M-Net gets Backtalk
set up.
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jp2
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response 15 of 58:
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May 11 21:58 UTC 2002 |
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jmsaul
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response 16 of 58:
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May 11 22:42 UTC 2002 |
Re #12: Thanks for clearing that up. I've wondered for years, but hadn't
thought to ask.
Re #13: If that's true, than why the hell are we bothering with WebYAPP
on M-Net?
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styles
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response 17 of 58:
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May 12 00:32 UTC 2002 |
picospan chokes on my yapp .cfonce.
big, FAT, core dump.
on the floor.
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jep
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response 18 of 58:
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May 12 01:24 UTC 2002 |
I think janc said Backtalk will work with one of the earlier versions
of YAPP. I've been hoping/waiting for years that someone would bring
it to M-Net.
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cross
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response 19 of 58:
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May 12 01:37 UTC 2002 |
Isn't YAPP rather expensive if you use it for more than a few months?
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jmsaul
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response 20 of 58:
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May 12 04:16 UTC 2002 |
They've been known to donate it to non-profits.
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jp2
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response 21 of 58:
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May 12 04:20 UTC 2002 |
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jp2
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response 22 of 58:
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May 12 04:41 UTC 2002 |
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cross
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response 23 of 58:
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May 12 20:47 UTC 2002 |
I compiled YAPP under Solaris last night, and wasn't too impressed
with the number of errors that came up. At one point, the compile
stopped due to something not being properly defined in the Makefile
(well, that's slightly unfair; there was no Makefile support for
Solaris).
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jp2
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response 24 of 58:
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May 12 21:11 UTC 2002 |
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