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aruba
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How often should the treasurer send out paper receipts?
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Jul 10 03:58 UTC 1998 |
Just the other day I received the first request for a receipt to enable
someone who donates money to Grex to deduct it on their taxes. (The
request was contingent on our becoming a 501(c)3 organization, of course.)
That started me wondering whether I will need to send out receipts for
every single donation we receive. Right now I do send e-mail to
acknowledge every donation, but sending out that many paper receipts would
be a significant amount of work and expense, and I suspect most people
wouldn't really want them anyway. (Everyone who takes the standard
deuction, for instance, might as well just throw them away.)
What does everyone think - do I need to send out paper receipts for every
check? My suggestion is that at the end of the year I send e-mail to
everyone who donated throughout that year, telling them that they are
entitled to a receipt if they'd like one. Then I'll send them out to
those people that request them.
Another question I need answered is what needs to be on the receipt in
order to make it acceptable to the IRS. Anyone know?
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rcurl
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response 1 of 72:
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Jul 10 05:12 UTC 1998 |
Request IRS Catalog No. 20054Q (or its most current incarnation). It
may be on the web. The title is "Charitable Contributions - Substantiation
and Disclosure Requirements".
Written acknowledgements are only *required* for donations in excess of
$250. For that reason, I would opine that e-mail acknowledgements for
smaller donations would be fine, especially coupled with an offer to
provide a written acknowledgement. The acknowledgement should, in any
case, be sent as quickly as possible, if only to indicate appreciation
for the donation (and keep them coming.....).
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mdw
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response 2 of 72:
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Jul 10 07:53 UTC 1998 |
You could also ask for a SASE for people who really want a written
receipt.
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aruba
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response 3 of 72:
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Jul 10 13:09 UTC 1998 |
Re #1: I do send the e-mail acknowledgement as quickly as possible, for the
reason you state. But it would save time and money if I could send out paper
receipts only at the end of the year. (And people who make more than one
donation in the course of the year would only need to save one receipt.)
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bruin
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response 4 of 72:
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Jul 10 13:18 UTC 1998 |
The email confirmation is all I'll ever need, aruba.
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mta
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response 5 of 72:
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Jul 10 15:33 UTC 1998 |
I would think that in most cases an "end of the tax year" reciept would be more
than adequate. (Maybe even better, since you don't have as much time to lose
it before you file your taxes.)
I also think that a mention that paper reciepts are available for tax purposes
attached to the e-mail acknowledgement and perhaps another toward the end of
the last quarter should be enough.
My opinion, of course, and I know nothing about these things.
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jared
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response 6 of 72:
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Jul 12 15:25 UTC 1998 |
Upon request or for individual donations morethan $250. end of year
recepits are also available upon request.
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janc
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response 7 of 72:
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Jul 13 04:40 UTC 1998 |
A question I've been wondering about, and have been meaning to research.
How do we handle auctions donations?
Suppose Dee donates an object and Bee buys it for 10 dollars.
Presumably, we need to figure out the value of the object, say V
dollars, and Dee gets credit for a donation to Grex of V dollars, while
Bee gets credit for a donation to Grex of 10-V dollars. That seems
obvious enough.
But how do we come up with the value V?
And what if V is greater than 10? Should we always set the minimum bid
at V dollars to ensure this doesn't happen? If we publicize the "value"
of an object, would that discourage people from bidding above that
value?
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rcurl
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response 8 of 72:
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Jul 13 17:46 UTC 1998 |
Grex can not put a value on goods donated (against IRS regulations) and
the person buying the item cannot deduct what they pay. The only deductible
quantity is the value put on the donated item by the donor and only the
donor can claim that.
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aruba
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response 9 of 72:
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Jul 13 19:08 UTC 1998 |
I searched around on the IRS site and found reference to the publication Rane
mentioned. It's number has chenged and it's not on the web site, but I called
up and ordered it, so in theory I should get it in the next 2 weeks.
I also found (on the IRS site) what looks like a plain-English version of the
rules on receipts, and I downloaded that but haven't yet digested it. At
a glance, it appears that waiting till the end of the year may be OK for a
"substantiation" receipt, which is the thing you use to claim a deduction on
your taxes. However there is also the concept of a "disclosure notice", which
is something you send donors to tell them how much the thing they got in
return for their donation is worth, ala Rane's magazine example above. The
disclosure notice must be sent out in a "timely" manner, which I think means
we couldn't wait until the end of the year.
I don't think we need to send out any disclosure notices, however, since we
don't normally send out stuff in response to donations (other than a copy of
the Grex handbook, which is small enough not to count). This is the part I
want to make sure of, though, so I need to read the regs carefully.
I'm thinking that the Accounting Aid Society, which we used to belong to,
might be worth turning to for help. Perhaps they could give us some
definitive answers. We might have to rejoin them, which would cost $25 per
year. danr, do you have any thoughts on that suggestion?
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danr
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response 10 of 72:
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Jul 13 19:24 UTC 1998 |
Regarding membership donations, I'd say that paper receipts are only
necessary when a donor requests it. As others have pointed out, a
receipt is only necessary when a donation is greater than $250, and
since this is the first request, I doubt that you'll get a whole lot
more.
When you send out the receipt is up to the treasurer, I guess, but I'd
be mostly likely to send them out when I received the donation. That
way, I'd have less paperwork to do at tax time, when I may or may not
have the right information available. Asking the donor to supply an
SASE, as marcus suggested, is also a good idea, especially if the donor
is paying on a monthly basis.
Re: the auctions. If what Rane is saying is true--and I have no
reason to doubt him--the disclosure notice isn't necessary. The donor
is the one to put a value on the item donated, and only the donor gets
the tax deduction. This makes sense, actually. If both the donor and
the purchaser were able to deduct, that would be a double deduction.
I've received disclosure notices when I donated to WEMU in order to
get one of their t-shirts. In this case, however, the shirts were
purchased by WEMU and not donated to them.
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rcurl
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response 11 of 72:
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Jul 14 05:41 UTC 1998 |
We would need to *acknowledged* donations of goods, so that the donor has
a record that that Item had been donated. A 'form' acknowledgement with
a space for the identification of the item(s) would be fine, and it also
permits repeating the IRS rules briefly on valuing the donation (that Grex
can't and the donor is responsible for doing so).
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aruba
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response 12 of 72:
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Jul 14 17:14 UTC 1998 |
BTW Rane, is that rule about the donor valuing the goods in that same
publication you mentioned earlier (the one about disclosure and
substantiation), or should I order another one too?
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rcurl
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response 13 of 72:
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Jul 14 20:30 UTC 1998 |
Yes, no. The form states "Valuation of the donated property is the
responsibility of the donor."
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aruba
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response 14 of 72:
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Jul 14 21:45 UTC 1998 |
OK, thanks.
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srw
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response 15 of 72:
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Jul 21 05:07 UTC 1998 |
back in resp:8 , Rane said that only the donor can claim the
(donor-determined) value of a donation to the Auction. That is true, but might
be misleading. If a bidder bids more than the fair market value of the item,
the excess can be considered a donation by the bidder. I believe we can provide
a fair market value in that case, but I don't think we are obligated to provide
a disclosure notice for auction items.
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rcurl
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response 16 of 72:
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Jul 21 05:24 UTC 1998 |
The "excess" over the donor determined value can be considered a deductible
donation by the donor. However *Grex* may not specify the "fair market
value" or any other value of the donated item. We are excluded from doing
that. (The temptation for connivance would be too great....non-profits
would lean toward estimating 'fair market value' on the high side to make
donors happier and thereby encourage more donations.)
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janc
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response 17 of 72:
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Jul 22 12:26 UTC 1998 |
I'm trying to figure out if membership donations are fully deductable.
People do receive something for their memberships - ability to initiate
telnet, ftp and irc sessions from their Grex accounts. It is hard to
estimate the fair market value of that increment in service that members
get beyond what other users get. Nobody sells it separately. The
definition of "fair market value" is "what a willing buyer would pay a
willing seller." I can't even begin to guess.
There is good chance that this can be treated as a membership package
benefit. In the IRS publication "Updates on Disclosure and
Substantiation Rules" it talks about "safe harbors" for kinds of
benefits that can be treated as being of zero value:
The fourth safe harbor involves membership package benefits.
Charities, such as museums, libraries, zoos, and arboretums,
typically use membership packages to build a following and base of
support. The benefits of a typical membership package may include
free parking, gift shop discounts, an admission discount, etc.
Charitable organizations which offer basic membership packages at $75
or less and include some or all of the following benefits can treat
such membership benefits as having insubstantial value and, hence,
need not value them. See Proposed Regs. 1.170A-13(f)(8)(i)(B) and
1.6115-1(b). The membership benefits are:
a) Any right or privilege, other than rights to seating at collegiate
athletic events, the contributor can exercise frequently during
the membership period. Examples of such rights and privileges
include free or discounted admission to organizations' facilities
or events, free or discounted parking, preferred access to goods
or services, and discounts on purchases of goods or services; and
b) Admission to events during the membership period open only to
members if the cost per person for the event, excluding any
allocable overhead, is within the limits for low cost articles.
For 1996, the limit for low cost articles is $6.70. See Rev. Proc.
95-53, 1995-52 I.R.B. 22.
Case (a) looks like it should cover memberships. This would mean that
membership fees are deductable from the donor's taxes.
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janc
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response 18 of 72:
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Jul 22 12:35 UTC 1998 |
A clarification on Rane's comment:
Grex is not responsible for determining the fair market value of
good and services donated to Grex.
Grex is responsible for determining the fair market value of goods
and services given by Grex to users.
This is confusing in the case of auction items.
I think T-shirt and mug purchases are not deductable at all.
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janc
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response 19 of 72:
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Jul 22 15:59 UTC 1998 |
Here's another description of the rules for deducting membership dues in
IRS Publication 526, "Charitable Contributions". I think it's a bit
clearer:
MEMBERSHIP FEES OR DUES. You may be able
to deduct membership fees or dues you pay
to a qualified organization. However, you can
deduct only the amount that is more than the
value of the benefits you receive. [...]
Certain membership benefits can be
disregarded. Both you and the organization
can disregard certain membership benefits
you get in return for an annual payment of
$75 or less to the qualified organization. You
can pay more than $75 to the organization if
the organization does not require a larger
payment for you to get the benefits. The
benefits covered under this rule are:
1) Any rights or privileges, other than those
discussed under Athletic events, earlier,
that you can use frequently while you are
a member, such as:
a) Free or discounted admission to the
organization's facilities or events,
b) Free or discounted parking,
c) Preferred access to goods or services,
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d) Discounts on the purchase of goods
and services, and
2) Admission, while you are a member, to
events that are open only to members
of the organization if the organization
reasonably projects that the cost per
person (excluding any allocated overhead)
is not more than a specified amount,
which may be adjusted annually for inflation.
(This is the amount for low-cost articles
given in the annual revenue procedure with
inflation adjusted amounts for the current
year. You can get this figure from the IRS.)
This clarifies that the $75 limit is on annual memberships. Even people
who pay $6 a month pay only $72 a year, so we are under that limit.
Though none of the (a), (b), (c) or (d) examples really fits our
membership benefits, they certainly are not athletic events and they
certainly can be exercised frequently while a member.
So, personally, I'm pretty convinced that Grex membership donations are
fully tax deductable, and would happily deduct them from my taxes, but
I'm not sure I'm ready to announce to the members, as a spokesman for
Grex, that all members can deduct their membership dues. Would it be
possible to write to the IRS asking about this, and get a somewhat more
reliable opinion? I'm not sure where you would address such a letter.
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janc
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response 20 of 72:
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Jul 22 16:12 UTC 1998 |
On auctions, my guess is that we need do nothing if the item sells for
$75 or less. If it sells for more than $75, we probably have to come up
with a "fair market value" for the item and send a receipt to the buyer
stating that value and saying anything above that value should be
treated as a donation. I'm far from sure about this though.
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rcurl
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response 21 of 72:
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Jul 23 02:02 UTC 1998 |
Sigh....that's what I've been trying to tell everyone for months...but I
am glad that Jan has so exhaustively quoted from the sources.
Do NOT write to the IRS to ask about this. Just quote the relevant rules.
It is *always* up to the donor to fit them to their circumstances.
You do NOT have to come up with a "fair market value" for any donation,
of any item of any size. MKC was recently donated 2.5 acres of land,
worth thousands. It is up to the donor to value it for tax purposes. In
regard to a donation that is subsequently auctioned to raise money...the
donor is in exactly the same position of having to themsevles determine
the value. The buyer gets NO deductibility from their purchase, no matter
how much they pay. What the buyer pays is NEVER a donation.
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aruba
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response 22 of 72:
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Jul 23 05:59 UTC 1998 |
Why do you think we shouldn't write to the IRS, Rane?
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dpc
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response 23 of 72:
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Jul 23 14:57 UTC 1998 |
A member also gets the right to vote and make motions. I suppose it's
technically possible to say that all of the $72/year of a membership
could be squeezed into one of the exceptions. However, we're then
saying that Grex membership is worthless! On M-Net, we don't claim
that memberships or patronships are tax-deductible because we think
those folks get things of value. Donations to our auctions are
tax-deductible, but of course our receipts for those don't list the
value. However, *purchases* of things from the auction are *not*
tax-deductible because the purchaser gets the value of the goods
s/he has bought.
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rcurl
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response 24 of 72:
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Jul 23 18:16 UTC 1998 |
You should not write the IRS because they will not take the time to look
into the specifics of your situation, and usually just quote the book (and
then the part of the book that maximizes their return). If this were a
serious matter, a competent tax attorney is a better bet (they rely on
return business - not something the IRS worries about). But the instructions
are so clear in this case that one can hardly go wrong following them.
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