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aruba
Cyberspace Communications finances for January, 1999 Mark Unseen   Feb 2 04:08 UTC 1999

Here is the treasurer's report on Cyberspace Communications, Inc. finances
through January 31st, 1999.

Beginning Balance     $3,357.10

Credits                 $510.00         Member contributions
                        $242.50         Auction proceeds
                         $85.00         Miscellaneous donations
                          $5.00         Silly Hat Fund donations
                   ------------
                        $842.50

Debits                   $63.00         Pumpkin Rent for February
                         $66.36         Electricity for January
                        $366.41         Phone Bill
                         $35.00         Renewal of cyberspace.org
                         $44.00         Renewal of our P.O. Box
                   ------------
                        $574.77

Ending Balance        $3,624.83

Our current balance breaks down as follows:

$2,623.25               General Fund
  $816.00               Spare parts / 501(c)3 / Mail machine fund
  $113.86               Silly Hat Fund
   $65.00               UPS Fund
    $6.72               Sales tax collected

There was no activity in the Grex store, so the balances remain at:

                         Cash                                    Stock
                     ---------                                ---------
       Balances:     ($123.60)                                 $340.90

We had 2 new members in January (micromac and lumpy) and one returning member 
(jshafer).  We are currently at 98 members, 84 of whom are paid through at 
least February 15th.  (The others expired recently and are in a grace period.) 

January was obvoiously a very good month for Grex, thanks largely to the 
auction.

If you're like me, you're thinking "Didn't we just renew cyberspace.org last 
October?"  And the answer is yes, we did.  After a long exchange of e-mail, 
faxes, and phone conversations with Internic, I concluded that they forgot to 
bill us for our domain in '96 and have juggled the books in order to bill us 
for it now.  People who have dealt with them a lot (nephi, scg, and steve) 
said they weren't surprised that Internic would resort to such subterfuge, but 
advised that given the large amount of power they have to make our lives 
miserable, $35 is a small price to pay to make the problem go away.  I have 
records of all the old invoices now, so they can't do it to us again, we hope, 
and I am somewhat consoled by the fact that we probably really should have 
paid them for '96, but didn't.  (Though of course it's their fault for not 
billing us.) 

Thanks to everyone who contributed in January:

arthurp, aruba, atticus, beeswing, bmoran, bruin, cmcgee, coyote, danr, 
devnull, dpfitzen, fungster, jake, jshafer, kami, kentn, krj, lumpy, micromac, 
mkc, mta, mudlark, n8nxf, psun, quail, roadtrip, robh, rosie0, rtgreen, sagan, 
scg, scott, valerie, the Grex walkers, and witling.  Whew!

Thanks everyone!

If you or your institution would like to become a member of Grex, it only
costs $6/month or $60/year.  Send money to:

Cyberspace Communications
P. O. Box 4432
Ann Arbor, MI 48106-4432

If you pay by cash or money order, please include a photocopy of some form
of ID.  I can't add you to the rolls without ID.  (If you pay by personal
check, we consider that a good enough ID.)  Type !support for more info.
15 responses total.
tpryan
response 1 of 15: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 05:37 UTC 1999

        Kinda like paying the Dane Geld?
remmers
response 2 of 15: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 12:41 UTC 1999

What was the nature of the contribution by "the Grex walkers"?
aruba
response 3 of 15: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 15:15 UTC 1999

(I don't understand #1)

Re #2: At lunch at Kana we had more than enough to pay the bill with a
fair tip, so I took $5 (without objection) from the pile and put it in the
Silly Hat Fund. 

davel
response 4 of 15: Mark Unseen   Feb 3 12:43 UTC 1999

(Re 3 re 1: it was a kind of ancient protection racket, tribute you paid to
keep from being pillaged, more or less.  I think he was referring to your
comments on Internic & "$35 is a small price to pay to make the problem go
away".  (Tim obviously can speak for himself, & is encouraged to do so if I'm
misrepresenting him.))
aruba
response 5 of 15: Mark Unseen   Feb 3 14:45 UTC 1999

Ah.  Thanks Dave.
tpryan
response 6 of 15: Mark Unseen   Feb 3 23:01 UTC 1999

re 4, re 3, re 1, re 0: Ding! You are correct sir!
richard
response 7 of 15: Mark Unseen   Feb 3 23:17 UTC 1999

why should grex contribute to Internic's extortion racket?  If they
think they can get away with double-charging, they will do it again
and again.  paying the extra $35 may make the problem go away but
it doesnt pressure Internic into monitoring their records better.  If
the grex's of the world dont start fighting back, Internic will 
keep taking advantage of them.  Send them a letter and request the
second $35 be *returned*, or stop the check if it hasnt cleared yet.

two wrongs dont make a right.
aruba
response 8 of 15: Mark Unseen   Feb 4 00:06 UTC 1999

Richard, I'm just not willing to take it on - I have too much other Grex stuff
to do.  I don't like not standing up to them either, but unfortunately we
don't have enough written documentation to make an air-tight case of it, and
from what I heard Internic is more than willing to block a domain name if
you don't go along with them.

They sent me copies of all the old invoices, so they shouldn't be able to do
it to us again.
steve
response 9 of 15: Mark Unseen   Feb 4 02:21 UTC 1999

   The nic beings may be correct in this case, albeit their fault for
not correctly billing us in the first place.
   From what Mark has said, I believe that we likely do owe the money.
   Disgustlying, we've had only a few problems compared to some other
sites I've dealt with.  I *have seen* 11 duplicate bills for a years
registration, all for the same domain but still different enough that
they initially wanted all 11 paid.
   I'm not thinking that this one is worth fighting.  I did at first
but I think we can chalk this one up to incredibly latent billing.
davel
response 10 of 15: Mark Unseen   Feb 4 02:49 UTC 1999

"latent"?  <dave tries to imagine what STeve meant> "late"?  "latex"?
steve
response 11 of 15: Mark Unseen   Feb 4 05:15 UTC 1999

  Did I use the word wrong?  Latent as in late.  Hmm.  Sounds wrong,
now.  I need sleep.
jazz
response 12 of 15: Mark Unseen   Feb 4 13:35 UTC 1999

        Extortion racket?  

        I can believe someone might call ARIN's twenty-thousand dollar fees
an extortion racket, or an attempt to limit IP expansion and multihomability
to large companies, but the InterNIC?  They're offering an efficient and
proven service, which requires a central primary database, for hundredths of
a cent per transaction!  Woe is you!
rtg
response 13 of 15: Mark Unseen   Feb 8 08:18 UTC 1999

Has anyone read the history of the internic?  At the time the NSF went out
of the internet business, they sought bids from other organizations to
take over some of the administration tasks.  Network Solutions ended up
getting the contract, even though they were a brand-new company, with no
previous experience working with the internet.  In fact, none of the
principles even came from network-aware companies.  The initial founders
of Network Solutions, Inc. read like a who's-who list of ex-spooks from
the CIA and NSA.
  It looks to me like the CDA and CDAII are just smoke screens.  'They'
already have the hooks in place.  The Dane Geld was nothin'!
jazz
response 14 of 15: Mark Unseen   Feb 9 18:29 UTC 1999

        Ever looked at RTD and EDS technologies?  It's not uncommon at all to
see people from the military or the CIA or FBI with strong electronics
backgrounds winding up in networking companies after they resign.
lilmo
response 15 of 15: Mark Unseen   Apr 13 03:49 UTC 1999

latent = not active (sort of)
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