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aruba |
Here is the treasurer's report on Cyberspace Communications, Inc. finances
through January 31st, 1999.
Beginning Balance $3,357.10
Credits $510.00 Member contributions
$242.50 Auction proceeds
$85.00 Miscellaneous donations
$5.00 Silly Hat Fund donations
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$842.50
Debits $63.00 Pumpkin Rent for February
$66.36 Electricity for January
$366.41 Phone Bill
$35.00 Renewal of cyberspace.org
$44.00 Renewal of our P.O. Box
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$574.77
Ending Balance $3,624.83
Our current balance breaks down as follows:
$2,623.25 General Fund
$816.00 Spare parts / 501(c)3 / Mail machine fund
$113.86 Silly Hat Fund
$65.00 UPS Fund
$6.72 Sales tax collected
There was no activity in the Grex store, so the balances remain at:
Cash Stock
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Balances: ($123.60) $340.90
We had 2 new members in January (micromac and lumpy) and one returning member
(jshafer). We are currently at 98 members, 84 of whom are paid through at
least February 15th. (The others expired recently and are in a grace period.)
January was obvoiously a very good month for Grex, thanks largely to the
auction.
If you're like me, you're thinking "Didn't we just renew cyberspace.org last
October?" And the answer is yes, we did. After a long exchange of e-mail,
faxes, and phone conversations with Internic, I concluded that they forgot to
bill us for our domain in '96 and have juggled the books in order to bill us
for it now. People who have dealt with them a lot (nephi, scg, and steve)
said they weren't surprised that Internic would resort to such subterfuge, but
advised that given the large amount of power they have to make our lives
miserable, $35 is a small price to pay to make the problem go away. I have
records of all the old invoices now, so they can't do it to us again, we hope,
and I am somewhat consoled by the fact that we probably really should have
paid them for '96, but didn't. (Though of course it's their fault for not
billing us.)
Thanks to everyone who contributed in January:
arthurp, aruba, atticus, beeswing, bmoran, bruin, cmcgee, coyote, danr,
devnull, dpfitzen, fungster, jake, jshafer, kami, kentn, krj, lumpy, micromac,
mkc, mta, mudlark, n8nxf, psun, quail, roadtrip, robh, rosie0, rtgreen, sagan,
scg, scott, valerie, the Grex walkers, and witling. Whew!
Thanks everyone!
If you or your institution would like to become a member of Grex, it only
costs $6/month or $60/year. Send money to:
Cyberspace Communications
P. O. Box 4432
Ann Arbor, MI 48106-4432
If you pay by cash or money order, please include a photocopy of some form
of ID. I can't add you to the rolls without ID. (If you pay by personal
check, we consider that a good enough ID.) Type !support for more info.
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tpryan |
Kinda like paying the Dane Geld? | ||
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remmers |
What was the nature of the contribution by "the Grex walkers"? | ||
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aruba |
(I don't understand #1) Re #2: At lunch at Kana we had more than enough to pay the bill with a fair tip, so I took $5 (without objection) from the pile and put it in the Silly Hat Fund. | ||
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davel |
(Re 3 re 1: it was a kind of ancient protection racket, tribute you paid to keep from being pillaged, more or less. I think he was referring to your comments on Internic & "$35 is a small price to pay to make the problem go away". (Tim obviously can speak for himself, & is encouraged to do so if I'm misrepresenting him.)) | ||
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aruba |
Ah. Thanks Dave. | ||
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tpryan |
re 4, re 3, re 1, re 0: Ding! You are correct sir! | ||
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richard |
why should grex contribute to Internic's extortion racket? If they think they can get away with double-charging, they will do it again and again. paying the extra $35 may make the problem go away but it doesnt pressure Internic into monitoring their records better. If the grex's of the world dont start fighting back, Internic will keep taking advantage of them. Send them a letter and request the second $35 be *returned*, or stop the check if it hasnt cleared yet. two wrongs dont make a right. | ||
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aruba |
Richard, I'm just not willing to take it on - I have too much other Grex stuff to do. I don't like not standing up to them either, but unfortunately we don't have enough written documentation to make an air-tight case of it, and from what I heard Internic is more than willing to block a domain name if you don't go along with them. They sent me copies of all the old invoices, so they shouldn't be able to do it to us again. | ||
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steve |
The nic beings may be correct in this case, albeit their fault for not correctly billing us in the first place. From what Mark has said, I believe that we likely do owe the money. Disgustlying, we've had only a few problems compared to some other sites I've dealt with. I *have seen* 11 duplicate bills for a years registration, all for the same domain but still different enough that they initially wanted all 11 paid. I'm not thinking that this one is worth fighting. I did at first but I think we can chalk this one up to incredibly latent billing. | ||
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davel |
"latent"? <dave tries to imagine what STeve meant> "late"? "latex"? | ||
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steve |
Did I use the word wrong? Latent as in late. Hmm. Sounds wrong, now. I need sleep. | ||
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jazz |
Extortion racket?
I can believe someone might call ARIN's twenty-thousand dollar fees
an extortion racket, or an attempt to limit IP expansion and multihomability
to large companies, but the InterNIC? They're offering an efficient and
proven service, which requires a central primary database, for hundredths of
a cent per transaction! Woe is you!
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rtg |
Has anyone read the history of the internic? At the time the NSF went out of the internet business, they sought bids from other organizations to take over some of the administration tasks. Network Solutions ended up getting the contract, even though they were a brand-new company, with no previous experience working with the internet. In fact, none of the principles even came from network-aware companies. The initial founders of Network Solutions, Inc. read like a who's-who list of ex-spooks from the CIA and NSA. It looks to me like the CDA and CDAII are just smoke screens. 'They' already have the hooks in place. The Dane Geld was nothin'! | ||
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jazz |
Ever looked at RTD and EDS technologies? It's not uncommon at all to
see people from the military or the CIA or FBI with strong electronics
backgrounds winding up in networking companies after they resign.
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lilmo |
latent = not active (sort of) | ||
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