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devnull
tax deductibility of dues. Mark Unseen   Jan 29 18:38 UTC 1999

I remember that there was a lot of discussion of whether membership is
tax deductable, but it would be helpful if people could sumarize that
information.  I'm not sure people really came to a consensus, either.

And if dues are deductible, is the canceled check adaquate documentation?
115 responses total.
aruba
response 1 of 115: Mark Unseen   Jan 29 22:50 UTC 1999

Yes, dues are deductible in full, because the benefit received for them is
of only "de minimus" value.  We established this while talking with the
Accounting Aid Society last November.

The IRS may not accept your cancelled check as proof, however, because there
is no way to tell from the check just what it was for.  (For instance,
checks to Cyberspace Communications for T-Shirts are not deductible, and
the IRS might claim that they had no way to tell whether your check was
for a T-Shirt or a membership.)

Just today I sent out paper receipts to everyone who donated $75 or more to
Grex in '98, in accordance with the policy we voted on at the December board
meeting.  (There were 23 such donors.)  If anyone else would like a receipt,
just send me e-mail and I'll send one out.  The receipts say how much was 
donated, when, and what it was for, and state that Cyberspace Communications 
is a 501(c)3 tax-exempt organization, that donations to it are deductible, and
that nothing of more than de minimus value was received in return for the
donations.
remmers
response 2 of 115: Mark Unseen   Jan 30 13:48 UTC 1999

Thanks for doing that, Mark.
rcurl
response 3 of 115: Mark Unseen   Jan 30 16:12 UTC 1999

If you sent an e-mail message with the same boilerplate to members when
they pay their dues, they would have an (optional to print) receipt
for their dues. 

Incidentally, most 501(c)3 organizations to which I belong do not
send receipts for dues. I have cancelled checks, or records in on-line
banking payments, but beyond that I don't worry. If I were audited, and
they wanted to see a paper receipt for deduction of dues, I would offer
to get one from the organization. But I bet you can't find anyone of
whom that has been asked by the IRS. 
aruba
response 4 of 115: Mark Unseen   Jan 30 19:26 UTC 1999

Technically I believe that in order to claim large donations (bigger than 
$250?) you are suipposed to have a "contemporaneous" receipt; that is, not
one written years after the fact.  I'll have to check my info to get that
straight, though - it was all very vague and confusing.
devnull
response 5 of 115: Mark Unseen   Jan 30 21:19 UTC 1999

Re #4: 

To quote from page A-4 of the 1998 1040 intruction book: `Contributions You
May Deduct: Contributions may be in cash (keep canceled checks, receipts,
or other reliable written records showing the name of the organization and
the date and amount given), ...'.  In the middle of the next column, it reads
`Gifts of $250 or More.  You may deduct a gift of $250 or more only if you have
a statement from the charitable organization showing the information in 1
and 2 below.'

So by my understanding, the canceled check is enough.  (My bank actually
only sends me photocopies of the front of the checks, but I presume that
this could count as an `other reliable written record' if it doesn't
count as a canceled check.)  And the check I wrote has
`membership--devnull@grex' written in the for line, as I recall; this certainly
would imply that it was for membership and not a T-shirt, although I realize
that aruba might be perfectly happy to cash a check which said `membership'
if you'd made it clear in a seprate discussion that it was actually wanted
a T-shirt from it.

I think I could also
make a donation to someplace in January for $249, and then give them another
$249 in February of the same year, and deduct the entire amount without
any documentation.

And if it really is the case that reciepts don't need to be sent, I'd rather
not have the money I donate being used to generate unnecessary paperwork
and unnecessary postage.

(In my case, the reciept for my membership is being sent with a book I bought
from the auction, so I don't think there's any postage cost.)

aruba might also want to consider automatically sending receipts when he sends
out the booklet that is offered free to members if everyone does need a
receipt, but that deosn't help when membership is renewed.
aruba
response 6 of 115: Mark Unseen   Jan 30 22:45 UTC 1999

Yeah, I suppose I could do that, though I'm inclined not to send anything 
unless it's requested or falls under the policy we voted on in December.

I believe you are probably right about a cancelled check being good enough
for things under $250.  (Though I believe there are regulations in place
to prevent people from splitting up large donations into small checks just
to stay under the limit.)

The policy we established in December was a compromise between those who
think we should send receipts for everything (notably Ms. Dodea at the
AAS) and those who think we can get away with cancelled checks and
e-mailed receipts.  I tried to make the paper receipts I sent look more
official than a printed-out e-mail would; they have the Grex logo on them
and use several different fonts.  I also signed them all.

It cost 22 * $.33 = $7.26 in postage, plus $.90 worth of envelopes, plus
some amount for paper and printer ink, plus about 5 hours of my time and
about a pint of spit to send all the receipts.  It's no big deal for me to
donate all that that to Grex, with the exception of the spit; next time I
may request someone loan me a dog. 
scg
response 7 of 115: Mark Unseen   Jan 30 23:21 UTC 1999

(or a sponge)
i
response 8 of 115: Mark Unseen   Jan 31 04:12 UTC 1999

<laugh!>  Ask mutsie; i'm sure her professional fees are reasonable. 

I suspect that "hand-signed original receipt" is what the IRS is mostly
interested in.  Though logo-watermarked letterhead would be really cool...
keesan
response 9 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 1 17:51 UTC 1999

I was told I had been mailed a receipt, when i did not want one.  I propose
sending paper receipts out only to people who respond to an email asking if
they want one.  And that these emails be sent out only to people who have
donated over $249, since you don't seem to need a receipt otherwise.  
I object to this waste of paper, postage, and Aruba's time.  (He also sent
me out a nice apology for having sent the receipt, which wastes more time).
janc
response 10 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 18:16 UTC 1999

I think that is a dubious idea.  I think it is more of a waste of Mark's
time to have to send email to everyone first, and collect up a list of
who does and does not want a receipt than it is just to send them to
everyone.  This idea significantly raises the complexity of the job and
makes it a task that requires work at multiple sittings with extra
bookkeeping instead of a job that can be done at a sitting.  But the
only person who can judge what is an effective use of Mark's time, and
how much Mark's time is worth relative to paper and postage is Mark. 
Any way he wants to do it is fine with me.  If I were doing it, I
wouldn't install any kind of institutionalized program to not send
receipts to people.  If I happen to know for certain that a certain
person doesn't want a receipt, and if it happens to be convenient to
clip them out of the mailing list, then I'd do it.  If not I'd just mass
mail them.
keesan
response 11 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 21:36 UTC 1999

I hereby state that unless the policy is somehow revised so that I can be
assured of not getting a receipt unless I indicate clearly that I want one,
I will not be donating over the maximum amount for which I will not be sent
a paper receipt.  I object strongly to sending out wasteful pieces of paper
not only to people who do not need them, but to people who specifically do
not want them.  What number of people donated over $249 this year?  What
number of people have specifically asked for a paper receipt (considering that
you don't need them for under $250)?
aruba
response 12 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 23:11 UTC 1999

One person donated over $250, and 4 people have requested receipts.

Would it be enough for you Sindi if I promised never ever to send you a piece 
of paper again?  I'll be happy to do so, and pass the admonishion on to the
next treasurer.
keesan
response 13 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 3 02:07 UTC 1999

No, I need a promise that nobody will be sent a receipt unless they ask for
one.  You have wasted 19 pieces of paper and lots of your time.
other
response 14 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 3 02:22 UTC 1999

i thinkn that the only reason the pieces of paper might have been wasted is
that they did not include the tax id number assigned to cyberspace
communications, which i thought one needed to provide to the irs in order to
legitimize the ddeduction...

what is this, keesan?  eco-bullying?  surely you have better battles to fight.
do you know how much coal is burned to provide the power used by the grex
computer and all the computers connected to it by users at any given moment?
how about how much pollution is spewed into the atmoshere by the burning of
that coal?  what would your response be if the paper receipts that mark sent
out were made from 100% post-consumer recycled paper? (envelopes, too)
aruba
response 15 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 3 03:30 UTC 1999

Hmmm.  Dunno about the tax ID number.  Let me see if I can find out about
that.
rcurl
response 16 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 3 05:34 UTC 1999

The IRS 1040 forms don't ask for TINs. 
aruba
response 17 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 3 14:44 UTC 1999

THe IRS publication I have about receipts doesn't mention needing the TIN
number.  It's a fairly informal publication, though, so I will look around 
some more.
dpc
response 18 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 3 16:35 UTC 1999

the TIN is helpful to include because if the donor's tax return is
audited, the auditor will need the TIN to check the validity of
the deduction, I would think.
rcurl
response 19 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 3 16:43 UTC 1999

Probably true, but auditing is pretty rare. Nevertheless, I expect to
put another organizations TIN number (and also its MICS number) on
its brochure the next time it is reprinted (after 16 years of not
bothering....). 
aruba
response 20 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 3 18:56 UTC 1999

It sounds like a good idea to me too, and I will include the Tax ID number on 
future receipts.
scott
response 21 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 3 20:30 UTC 1999

Sindi, if you don't like the policy, you can call for a membership vote on
the subject.  The current policy calls for paper receipts to be sent to
all donors above $75 and to any other donors who request one.  There is no
mention of one donor being able to specify who else should receive receipts.
njohns
response 22 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 4 19:44 UTC 1999

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njohns
response 23 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 4 19:46 UTC 1999

keesan isn't an eco-terrorist.  She's following the Golden Rule.  "I have the
gold, I rule.  
keesan
response 24 of 115: Mark Unseen   Feb 4 22:10 UTC 1999

I am not specifying who is to be sent receipts, I am just going to make sure
that I am not one of them, and I strongly request that people do not get sent
requests without at least first asking if they want them, and only sending
to people who say they do want them.  Since Mark sent out emailed notices that
he would be sending paper receipts, it cannot be any more work to only send
receipts to people to respond to the notices.  (He sent me one without waiting
to get my answer first).  Would the board be willing to do a revote on this?
Maybe require email notices to donors of $75 or more, and paper receipts to
only people who request them?
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