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silver69
Make GREX More well known thorugh an irc server aka irc.grex.org Mark Unseen   Dec 30 01:09 UTC 1998

i say that grex should become more well known by using a 24/7 server 
that i could run eaasily all i nedd is the unix shell to give me  a 24/7 
connection and i bet i could raise your users by about 10 % no joke. 
This idea has been used in many corporations my friends server  has 
thousands of clienst and stuff the grex staff shoudl look into that
25 responses total.
steve
response 1 of 25: Mark Unseen   Dec 30 03:14 UTC 1998

   Well, we would probably get a few more members, or maybe even a
lot more of them, but we'd have a problem in supporting them all.
IRC tends to get popular quickly, and overload most systems that
aren't really large.

   Grex is not large, nor does it have many resources at its
disposal.  While it would be neat on one hand to do this, Grex
really isn't the right organization for this.  Our focus is on
computer conferencing, plus other things.  I'm pretty much
convinced if we tried this it would be IRC + everything else we
do.

   There are some things, like IRC and usenet news that we can't
do today, without a lot more hardware horsepower and net bandwidth.
mta
response 2 of 25: Mark Unseen   Dec 30 18:38 UTC 1998

We also don't really need more users.  More conferencers, like Rahul, would
be great.  More members would be wonderful.  But more users who don't reallt
contribute to the community...well, while they're welcome to use our services,
I think the time is long past when we needed to seek them out.
dpc
response 3 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jan 2 17:58 UTC 1999

Right, Misti.
richard
response 4 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jan 5 23:22 UTC 1999

another way to bring in members would be for grex to subscribe to AOL and
get the login "grex" over there.  That way it would have the address:

grex@aol.com, and could put up a web page on AOL at that address pointing
everyone here and advertise it throughout AOL in varoius ways.
steve
response 5 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jan 5 23:49 UTC 1999

   Hmm.  I wonder what kind of users we'd attract by doing that.
senna
response 6 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 20:43 UTC 1999

How many would be able to get to grex at all?  People on AOL are less likely
to have other methods of accessing the internet and tend to know less about
computer in general.  Last I checked, backtalk doesn't work from AOL, either.
steve
response 7 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 20:49 UTC 1999

   Backtalk doesn't work?  Are you sure?  Can you check now, perchance?  If
this is accurate we ought to mention this somewhere in the front Grex page.

   Given how big AOL is these days, I'm not so sure that AOL'er are any less
knowledgable than others.  By that, I mean that most won't know that much,
but in any given population of users from an ISP I think most aren't computer
folk, but general users.  .We've finally we've gotten to the point where
'normal' people can access the net.
toking
response 8 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 21:16 UTC 1999

backtalk works wonderfully from both AOL 3.0 and 4.0 if it didn't I
would have cancled my service already
toking
response 9 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 21:17 UTC 1999

ohh yeah.....even if backtalk didn't work from AOL it's just as easy to
telnet in
richard
response 10 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jan 6 23:15 UTC 1999

backtalk works from aol-- we have some users who come here from aol
(at least two I know of)
srw
response 11 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jan 7 04:34 UTC 1999

Senna, I would encourage you to report any problems you have with 
backtalk on AOL to backtalk@hvcn.org (please provide as much detail as 
you can). That email address goes to the backtalk developers, me and 
Jan. We are not aware of any problems using backtalk from AOL, but if 
there is anything amiss in that area, we sure would like to know, so we 
can fix it.
senna
response 12 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 15:35 UTC 1999

I stand corrected.  I don't normally use AOL, but the rare occasions I did
when I was out of town it didn't work.  Thus, I am unable to keep track.  Can
people telnet from AOL?
steve
response 13 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 18:20 UTC 1999

   Well, glad to hear this isn't a problem.
cmcgee
response 14 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 22:22 UTC 1999

I have never been able to get to my email on Grex when my only net access was
someone's AOL account.  Telnet doesn't seem to work, and Backtalk isn't meant
to work.
scg
response 15 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jan 9 00:46 UTC 1999

AOL's been through serveral software versions.  A few years ago they were
using their own proprietary web browser, which wans't compatible with much
of anything.  At this point they're using Microsoft's Internet Explorer, which
while being an awful program is still one of the most popular web browsers
out there, so any web page that can be considered to work in general will work
with current AOL software.
kaplan
response 16 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jan 9 02:40 UTC 1999

Last time I tried, I was surprised to find that I could telnet to grex from
a win 95 machine on aol's network.  Start => Run => telnet grex.org
toking
response 17 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jan 11 19:30 UTC 1999

I've never had a problem telnetting to grex from AOHell, nor have I ever
had a problem with backtalk on AOL, 

as a side note (kinda) you can use whatever browser you want with
aol...so long as you connect with AOL then start the browser
fungster
response 18 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 09:08 UTC 1999

Well, if news isn't available, then stop promising that "it may
be back in several months", since it isn't. (Also, http://usenetchannel.com
has been dead for some time.)
Maybe Grex needs to make a formal decision to offer (or not) Usenet news.
steve
response 19 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 09:44 UTC 1999

   I've changed the rn script to be much more pessamistic about
things.  I'd forgotten that we were as hopeful sounding as we
were back then.
   I'd like to offer it, but it isn't easy, and these days we'd
need at least 30G of disk to be reasonable, as well as a better
net connection.  Perhaps someday, but not now.
scg
response 20 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jan 17 16:27 UTC 1999

A full news feed would take about two T1s just for news, at this point.
srw
response 21 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 02:32 UTC 1999

The rn script should tell users to use lynx to reach dejanews. That's as 
close to doing news as we are ever going to get, I suspect.
senna
response 22 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 07:49 UTC 1999

That news message had been ringing about news for years.  I think people have
gotten the idea :)
steve
response 23 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 15:24 UTC 1999

   The folks who've been around and know that Grex operates in its own time
warp know this, but all the the newcommers.
fungster
response 24 of 25: Mark Unseen   Jan 18 17:41 UTC 1999

Don't forget the tin and trn scripts.
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