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Grex > Coop11 > #58: the unofficial grex-related discussion. share what you care. | |
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spiff
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the unofficial grex-related discussion. share what you care.
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Dec 16 10:05 UTC 1998 |
for some time i have thought that, there should be a place where the general
grex users can voice their opinions, unmindful of rules, etiquettes, or
reason. this is all the more required keeping in mind the open policy and
democratic setup of grex.
you are welcome to say whatever you ever wanted to say bout grex, the problems
you encounter, the improvements you want and so on. a healthy discussion is
what is wanted here.
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steve
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response 1 of 34:
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Dec 16 16:12 UTC 1998 |
Well, you've come to the right conference for this. Fire away...
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rcurl
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response 2 of 34:
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Dec 16 18:14 UTC 1998 |
There seems to be 57 other items just like this one in this conference. 8^}
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spiff
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response 3 of 34:
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Dec 17 10:52 UTC 1998 |
well, this one's different. this one's NOT official. and anyway, you do need
a place where you can shoot without giving pagelong explanations. it helps
you keep your kool!
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spiff
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response 4 of 34:
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Dec 17 10:55 UTC 1998 |
grudge : what action was taken against the latest fork-bomb, which was not
not from IIT?
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davel
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response 5 of 34:
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Dec 17 11:33 UTC 1998 |
Well, in the item where *I* saw it reported, STeve also said that he had
already talked with the site's admin (or one such) by phone. There's a *very*
good chance that that's all it will take.
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steve
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response 6 of 34:
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Dec 17 12:03 UTC 1998 |
The last person who created the fork bomb was tracked down by the
ISP where it came in from and was confronted with this. It admitted
that it had done so. It won't have access to the net if it does it
again...
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robh
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response 7 of 34:
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Dec 17 13:08 UTC 1998 |
Amazing how easy it is for everyone when the site has adequate,
competent staffing.
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scott
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response 8 of 34:
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Dec 17 14:26 UTC 1998 |
Couple of points:
STeve refers to the vandal as "it" because we don't know (or even care) if
the vandal is a "he" or "she".
Rob's statement about competent staffing... it can be tough these days to get
good admins who can track down vandals. The real problem we had that caused
IIT to be blocked was that we couldn't get an admin to talk to at IIT to help
find out who was attacking Grex. Normally, most sites on the Net are easy
to contact.
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steve
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response 9 of 34:
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Dec 17 15:07 UTC 1998 |
Right. It isn't fair to say that the people at IIT aren't competent.
From my conversations with them, they are *very* good. It was simply
that we couldn't get to them.
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robh
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response 10 of 34:
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Dec 17 15:36 UTC 1998 |
Right, and to clarify my point, I was using "competent" to refer
to dealing with situations quickly, and communicating effectively.
I work for a company that handles data processing for credit unions,
and our customers are a lot more concerned about having someone
pick up the phone and acknowledge their problem than they are
about our technical skills. (If you're wondering about my
perspective on this.)
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davel
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response 11 of 34:
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Dec 18 03:51 UTC 1998 |
Well, by the time I've listened to music I don't like (and which clashes with
what my radio's playing) for half an hour or so, I'm not ready to believe that
whoever is on the other end will be competent. Sometimes I'm surprised.
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spiff
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response 12 of 34:
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Dec 18 08:34 UTC 1998 |
request:
i think grex should allow reading e-mail thru web, coz our institute
has blocked access to grex, (and this was the only telnet gateway we had),
and the site which we now use to connect to grex (diversion.com) will be
closing down soon. or can anyone suggest an alternative telnet gateway, which
is free?
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robh
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response 13 of 34:
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Dec 18 12:18 UTC 1998 |
Would a Web-based mail service like hotmail.com be sufficient?
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steve
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response 14 of 34:
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Dec 18 12:34 UTC 1998 |
I suppose Grex could offer a system to allow web access to mail,
but then isn't Grex essentially competing with Hotmail, Yahoo and
all the others?
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remmers
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response 15 of 34:
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Dec 18 12:55 UTC 1998 |
If we were to allow user CGI's (an idea being discussed in another
item), it would be easy for a user to set up mail-reading via the
web.
But wouldn't web mail-reading be the moral equivalent of POP service?
That's something we've always rejected in the past because we don't
want to encourage people to use Grex *only* as a mail drop.
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steve
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response 16 of 34:
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Dec 18 13:00 UTC 1998 |
Thats right.
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mta
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response 17 of 34:
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Dec 18 13:55 UTC 1998 |
If someone would trust me with root for a little while, I'd be willing to add
.forwards to all the accounts of folks from IIT who want to vcreate a new web
mail address at hotmail, yahoo, or wherever else they found a free service
and let me know what that new address is.
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steve
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response 18 of 34:
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Dec 18 14:21 UTC 1998 |
Hmmm. There are some problems with that. That would add about 1,000
.forwards to Grex, adding that much more of a burden to the link. It
wouldn't solve the problem of mail thats already accumulated in the
accounts, either.
I am really hoping that iit folk will be able to log in once again
in Janurary, because that is the right solution.
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spiff
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response 19 of 34:
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Dec 19 12:22 UTC 1998 |
i only meant that since for us, the net connexion is slow, therefore we
do not usually use mailcity or the like.. sometimes (and that is quitre
often) when the telnet port is not working, we log on to the grex
website to read the conferences. it would be nice if we could read the
mail too. and i'm sure it will be a useful service to the community. and
by the way, telnetting to grex has become impossible because even
diversion's not been working today. hope it's a temporary problem,
otherwise won't be able to check my mail any further. can anyone suggest
an alternate free telnet gateway?
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remmers
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response 20 of 34:
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Dec 19 15:06 UTC 1998 |
Is it just mail *reading* that you are requesting, or do you
want other mail processing via the web as well: sending, replying,
deleting, saving?
I ask because making web mail reading available would be
trivially easy from a technical standpoint; full-blown mail
processing would be substantially harder.
I'd point out also that you can read mail via ftp, if you can't
get in with telnet.
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remmers
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response 21 of 34:
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Dec 19 15:56 UTC 1998 |
(Hm, on second thought, let me hedge a bit on the "trivially easy"
aspect of web mail reading. Might be sligtly tricky to do it in a
secure way.)
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steve
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response 22 of 34:
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Dec 19 17:30 UTC 1998 |
Right: it wouldn't be trivial, but not gigantic. Still, I can't
see that many people would be happy with a read-only mail interface.
Lots of people read their mail via FTP. We have folks who've
been doing that for quite a while.
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dpc
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response 23 of 34:
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Dec 19 17:38 UTC 1998 |
Hm. It sounds like Grex' principal function is being a free e-mailer
to the world. I do wish we could re-direct our efforts toward those
who participate in our *community* (bbs and party).
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remmers
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response 24 of 34:
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Dec 19 19:44 UTC 1998 |
There are people who are active in the Grex community but who came here
originally just for email. They subsequently discovered the community
and became part of it. This includes at least two present or former
board members.
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