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jp2
The censored log Mark Unseen   Apr 19 14:04 UTC 2001

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50 responses total.
gull
response 1 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 19 14:37 UTC 2001

I would support closing the censor log.  I'd much *rather* see the 
ability to remove a post permanently disabled.  The reason is that to 
me a BBS discussion is like a conversation, and I don't see any reason 
why people should expect to be able to "unsay" what they've said.  
However, I think the current situation is misleading and is worse than 
either alternative.
aruba
response 2 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 19 15:03 UTC 2001

The bylaws are in item 2 of this conference.
eeyore
response 3 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 19 20:14 UTC 2001

Oh God, not this *AGAIN8
dpc
response 4 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 19 20:40 UTC 2001

Necro-equuo-flagellation.
flem
response 5 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 19 21:41 UTC 2001

"Put *down* the whip and step away from the deceased equine, we have you
surrounded!"  -- guy on one of my mailing lists. 
davel
response 6 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 23 13:27 UTC 2001

As Mark said, the bylaws are in coop item #2.  (And should be in that item
even when coop rolls over.)  But the quick answer to "How do I propose this?"
is that you just did, when you said "I move we close the censored log."
The way to make a motion for member vote is to enter an item doing so in coop.

I'll definitely vote no on this.  I suspect that I said why, at some length,
the last time around (unless I just me-too'd someone else's statments), so I
won't bother this time.

I hope the discussion won't be so long-winded and repetitious this time,
though it's likely to *all* be repetitious, strictly speaking.
jp2
response 7 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 23 14:02 UTC 2001

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carson
response 8 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 23 15:52 UTC 2001

(does it?)
krj
response 9 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 23 16:45 UTC 2001

item:173  seems to contain much of the discussion, plus the vote, 
from the last time this was proposed.
jp2
response 10 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 23 17:19 UTC 2001

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krj
response 11 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 23 18:08 UTC 2001

Jamie's going to write a new edition of "How to Win Friends and 
Influence People."  
jp2
response 12 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 23 18:38 UTC 2001

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robh
response 13 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 23 20:57 UTC 2001

Personally, I plan to ignore jp2 until *he* gets it right.

(I don't give good odds for either of us to meet our goals, though.)
jp2
response 14 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 23 21:01 UTC 2001

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eeyore
response 15 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 23 22:21 UTC 2001

You have no idea how many people didn't even know that any of this existed
until this whole stink.  Myself included.
krj
response 16 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 24 00:18 UTC 2001

So what did you think about it once you found out about it?
 
My own feeling is that with better phrasing and a little member 
education, there's a good chance that this could pass, if Jamie can 
avoid making it a referendum on himself.  The proposal lost by four
votes last time, IIRC, in a low-turnout vote.
cmcgee
response 17 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 24 01:10 UTC 2001

For those of you who are reading this in Coop12, the reference to a previous
item 173 is in coop11.  Type "join coop11" at an Ok: prompt, then type "read
173"  for the full 255 response history.
russ
response 18 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 24 01:19 UTC 2001

Re #13:  Good argument for a twit filter, no? ;-)

I find it amusing that people from M-Net can't make their own fun,
so they have to come here.  It shows how badly they've failed.  Of
course, just because they're here does not mean they're worthy of
anyone's time or attention.
jp2
response 19 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 24 02:22 UTC 2001

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scg
response 20 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 24 03:30 UTC 2001

(Grex could, of course, make this proposal go away by deciding that accepting
jp2's membership payment would be more trouble than it's worth)

<scg ducks>
carson
response 21 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 24 07:34 UTC 2001

:p

gull
response 22 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 24 12:50 UTC 2001

Re #20: Maybe other will enter a motion about it. ;>
jp2
response 23 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 24 14:10 UTC 2001

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other
response 24 of 50: Mark Unseen   Apr 24 15:46 UTC 2001

Naw, jp2 ain't worth the extra attention a motion would draw him.  Now, 
maybe if he changed his login to usgovt, or even usgummint (shades of 
tsty?) then maybe.  But of course he'd then have to either transfer the 
membership or buy a new one...

So, Jamie, any other motions I can propose that'll cause you to put up 
money for Grex?
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