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Grex > Coop11 > #200: Next BoD mtg, where and when. Read me... | |
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Next BoD mtg, where and when. Read me...
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Sep 12 04:42 UTC 2000 |
Ok, I guess I'll take the lead on this one. I propose Monday, 25 September
2000, 7pm Eastern, Zingerman's Next Door, kids' room as the time and place
for the next Grex Board of Directors meeting.
Discuss...
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eeyore
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response 1 of 24:
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Sep 12 04:52 UTC 2000 |
I'm fine with that.
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asgerwj
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response 2 of 24:
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Sep 12 12:51 UTC 2000 |
okay, sure thing
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flem
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response 3 of 24:
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Sep 12 15:25 UTC 2000 |
Word.
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eeyore
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response 4 of 24:
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Sep 13 02:35 UTC 2000 |
*PUMMELL*
What have we told you about that!!!!
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flem
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response 5 of 24:
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Sep 13 17:41 UTC 2000 |
Um, nothing? :) And "pummel" has one 'l'. ;)
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remmers
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response 6 of 24:
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Sep 14 10:27 UTC 2000 |
Works for me.
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steve
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response 7 of 24:
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Sep 15 01:50 UTC 2000 |
I can do it.
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other
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response 8 of 24:
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Sep 16 02:20 UTC 2000 |
As we have a quorum of the board responding in the positive, the
aforementioned time and date shall be the time and date of the next BoD meet.
I shall forthwith post the proposed agenda.
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keesan
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Sep 16 19:41 UTC 2000 |
Could you discuss the feasibility of giving up enough phone lines that the
money saved could be spent on faster modems for the remaining lines (assuming
that all modems must be the same speed - must they?).
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kaplan
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response 10 of 24:
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Sep 18 03:57 UTC 2000 |
keesan, I'm just curious. Why do you want faster dial in lines? How
fast? I'd think that 14.4 would be plenty fast enough for conferences,
party, mail, etc. Do you do a lot of big downloads?
As I understand it, 28.8 and 33.6 kbps should not be a problem for the
current terminal server(s) and phone lines. But anything faster (like
56k, ISDN, etc) would take more expensive digital phone lines and much
more expensive hardware than what we're currently using.
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keesan
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response 11 of 24:
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Sep 18 13:18 UTC 2000 |
I do use lynx for downloading files up to 1M (video drivers, etc.) and would
appreciate 28.8K, but only if a few other people would also use it. I find
it much more convenient and faster to find the files I want to download using
lynx rather than the graphical browsers supported by my ISP. Since the
dial-in lines are not heavily used, I guess it does not matter that the
download is taking twice as long, except that nobody can phone me. Would one
fast modem (on the last line in the queue) be possible? What do used 28.8K
external modems cost and where could they be found?
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gull
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response 12 of 24:
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Sep 18 20:00 UTC 2000 |
Used 28.8 modems would be pretty cheap, except that they can't use just any
modems. This isn't an application where you want a bunch of cheap assorted
consumer modems like you'd buy to plug into your PC.
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eeyore
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response 13 of 24:
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Sep 18 22:31 UTC 2000 |
Actually, I'm finding that I'm really dragging on the dial-in lines, when I
didn't use to. It's now quicker to net in than dial in. It's really
irritating.
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steve
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response 14 of 24:
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Sep 19 17:00 UTC 2000 |
We can go up to 33.6Kbps on the dialin lines, and at some point I
think we should, for our remaining lines. Given that ISP's have all
but completely abandoned 33.6 for 56K modei, I would think that we
could find some cheaply. This is something we don't want to spend
much money oo, as dialins will eventually disappear.
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keesan
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response 15 of 24:
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Sep 19 18:05 UTC 2000 |
One reason I use grex for email is that it is so much easier and quicker to
dial in rather than having to first go through a PPP connection and then
telnet. Until recently I had no other internet access (I needed something
else to test a graphical browser on) and most of the people we have set up
to use grex dial in (maybe all of them do).
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cmcgee
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response 16 of 24:
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Sep 20 15:33 UTC 2000 |
OOOPPS? Dialins will eventually disappear?
I don't think so.
Some of us have no other reliable access to Grex.
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gull
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response 17 of 24:
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Sep 20 15:57 UTC 2000 |
I think he means in the distant future. Dialin access to anything is
probably not going to last forever; it's always been kind of a hack, and
eventually it'll be replaced by DSL, cable modems, wireless packet modems,
and other more direct methods. Heck, I even stayed in a Motel 6 that had
Ethernet available in the room, recently! This is quite a while in the
future, though, especially in rural areas that are outside DSL length
limits.
I suspect as more and more people either get these technologies, or get
their own Internet access, the use of Grex's dialins will slowly taper off.
It'll make sense to drop lines one or two at a time as that happens.
It makes sense to me to assume that someday all access to Grex will be via
the Internet.
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aruba
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response 18 of 24:
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Sep 20 18:52 UTC 2000 |
Oh, let's not have that fight again. We'll certainly have dialins for the
forseeable future - Colleen isn't the only one who depends on them.
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steve
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Sep 20 23:15 UTC 2000 |
Right, I meant the more far off future, not 2000 or 2001. I think
the handwriting is on the wall however, that dialins are going to disapear
in time. For a while there in the late 90's it seemed as if phone usage
for local computer use was just about static; now in the last year or so
I've seen an interesting swing in alternate access, among the people I
deal with (friends, people at work, reading, etc). Dialin use WILL go
away--I'm sure of that. Already there are many freebie forms of net access
which work, some of them even being kinda decent. In the UK a couple of
the freebie IPSs are giving the 'real' ISPs some real competition.
Grex will, if our bottomfeeder status remains, be one of the last
places which still offers dialin access. So no one should worry that
we're going to try and get rid of them now, just eventually, years from
now.
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keesan
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Sep 21 13:29 UTC 2000 |
The only free ISPs that I have found now all require Windows95 (or later),
including two that used to let you use any browser. I prefer to use lynx most
of the time, so why waste my time setting up Windows 95 on a computer that
I would only use to dial in and telnet to grex from? That would take several
extra minutes to get me to where I wanted to go?
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carson
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response 21 of 24:
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Sep 21 15:19 UTC 2000 |
(maybe dial-ins will go away after you and I both have passed away...)
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steve
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response 22 of 24:
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Sep 25 04:13 UTC 2000 |
You have to understand that Windows 95/98 is the lowest common
denominator now, which as bad as it is, is FAR better than Windows
3.1 / DOS x.x was. Given that people want things that they can plop
into their computer and run, I think Windows makes sense. And, at
least for Windows 95, a 486 with 32M ram can pretty reasonably use
Opera for web stuff, and have an OK system. Not fast, but OK.
People who even know about Lynx are in the very distinct miniority,
and most people prefer more grapical things anyway. Sigh. For a
time I used Grex's lynx on a 60 line Ann Arbor Ambassador terminal
with great results. I know it can be done, but fewer and fewer folks
are willing to do that.
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jared
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response 23 of 24:
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Sep 26 01:25 UTC 2000 |
ka9q ;)
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pfv
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response 24 of 24:
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Sep 29 03:23 UTC 2000 |
I understand what win95/98 is for..
I understand what lynx is for, too..
The "w3m" that grex hosts is far and AWAY nicer than lynx..
Lynx is for downloads - just look at what the users are doing.
(A suprise for me was seeing pricewatch.com under Explorer.. It
was a LOT nicer than under my linux/X/NS stuff..)
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