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janc
Grex Granted Tax-Exempt Status Mark Unseen   Jul 17 17:42 UTC 1998

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|                                                                      |
|    The IRS has approved Cyberspace Communiction's application for    |
|    501(c)(3) tax-exempt status.  This means donations to Grex are    |
|        now officially recognized as being tax deductable.            |
|                                                                      |
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127 responses total.
janc
response 1 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jul 17 17:53 UTC 1998

I'll enter the text of the letter after I have had time to scan it in.  It's
an extremely dull form letter, mostly just a review of the reporting
requirements for 501(c)(3) corporations.  They accepted our application as
submitted, no questions or addenda.

My understanding is that this means that Cyberspace Communications is
recognized as having been a qualifying 501(c)(3) corporation since it's
founding.  I don't know if you can amend your past tax returns if you didn't
claim a deduction for your donations to Grex.
jared
response 2 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jul 17 19:35 UTC 1998

I would not recommend doing anything of the sort, it would probally be
very silly and not worth it at all.
tsty
response 3 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jul 17 19:54 UTC 1998

in the announcements item, this current item was announced.
aa
again, please be careful with this, it is not necessarily a blessing
adn has the seeds for destroyign the grex we have become.
  
i presume the above gloomy potential will be guarded against with ALL
diligence .....yet, now it exists.
  
oh, and btw, serious congratulations to the ppl/group who pulled this
one off. i mean that also.
mta
response 4 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jul 17 20:36 UTC 1998

TS, I understand what you're getting at.  You've seen 501C3 really do a number
on another system you cared about.

I seriously don't think that's an issue here, though, because Jan et. al. were
careful to describe in painful detail and utter honesty just exactly what Grex
of today is and does.  Obviously that was well within the realm that the IRS
considers acceptable because we got an immediate OK, which I am given to
understand is pretty rare.

It might someday become an issue if the general membership decides it wants to
make fundamental changes to Grex as we know it -- but I don't think we need to
borrow trouble.

And THANK YOU!  Jan -- and obviously you did a tremendous job!
janc
response 5 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jul 17 20:37 UTC 1998

Yes, babies can grow up to be bank robbers, but it's actually a fairly
uncommon event, so you shouldn't morn too much when a new baby is born.

In the following response, is a typed-in copy of the letter the IRS sent us
(my scanner felt it was too dim to scan).  To people not habituated to reading
IRS documents, this letter may seem vaguely alarming.  Be assured in advance
that there is nothing in here of the least interest.  This is the IRS's idea
of a friendly note to a group of solid citizens that it thinks are doing
enough good for society to be exempted from taxes.  The only scary thing about
it is that (1) human beings wrote it, and (2) it makes perfect sense to me.
janc
response 6 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jul 17 20:37 UTC 1998

INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE                      DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
DISTRICT DIRECTOR
P.O. BOX 2508
CINCINATI, OH 45201
                                        Employer Identification Number:
Date:                                       38-2998091
        JUL 13 1998                     DLN:
                                            17053155035048
                                        Contact Person:
CYBERSPACE COMMUNICATIONS                   D. A. DOWNING
C/O JAN WOLTER                          Contact Telephone Number:
406 WEST LIBERTY                            (513) 241-5199
ANN ARBOR, MI 48103-4343                Accounting Period Ending
                                            DECEMBER 31
                                        Form 990 Required:
                                            YES
                                        Addendum Applies:
                                            NO

Dear Applicant:

   Based on information supplied, and assuming your operations will be as
stated in your application for recognition of exemption, we have determined
you are exempt from federal income tax under sections 501(a) of the Internal
Revenue Code as an organization described in section 501(c)(3).

   We have further determined that you are not a private foundation within
the meaning of section 509(a) of the Code, because you are an organization
described in sections 509(a)(1) and 170(b)(1)(A)(vi).

   If your sources of support, or your purposes, character, or method of
operation change, please let us know so we can consider the effect of
the change on your exempt status and foundation status.  In the case of
an amendment to your organizational document or bylaws, please send
us a copy of the amended document or bylaws.  Also, you should inform
us of all changes in your name or address.

   As of January 1, 1984, you are liable for taxes under the Federal
Insurance Contributions Act (social security taxes) on remuneration of
$100 or more you pay to each of your employees during a calender year.
You are not liable for the tax imposed under the Federal Unemployment Act
(FUTA).

   Since you are not a private foundation, you are not subject to
the excise taxes under Chapter 42 of the Code.  However, if you are
involved in an excess benefit transaction, that transaction might be
subject to the excise taxes of section 4958.  Additionally, you are
not automatically exempt from other federal excise taxes.  If you have
any questions about excise, employment, or other federal taxes, please
contact your key district office.

   Grantors and contributors may rely on this determination unless the
Internal Revenue Service publishes a notice to the contrary.  However,
if you lose your section 509(a)(1) status, a grantor or contributor
may not rely on this dtermination if he or she was in part responsible
for, or was aware of, the act or failure to act, or the substantial or
material change on the part of the organization that resulted in your
loss of such status, or if he or she acquired knowledge that the Internal
Revenue Service had given notice that you would no longer be classified
as a section 509(a)(1) organization.

   Donors may deduct contributions to you as provided in section 170
of the Code.  Bequests, legacies, devises, transfers, or gifts to you
or for your use are deductable for federal estate and gift tax purposes
if they meet the applicable provisions of Code sections 2055, 2106 and
2522.

   Contribution deductions are allowable to donors only the the extent
that their contributions are gifts, with no consideration received.
Ticket purchases and similar payments in conjunction with fundraising
events may not necessarily qualify as deductable contributions, depending
on the circumstances.  See Revenue Ruling 67-246, published in Cumulative
Bulletin 1967-2, on page 104, which sets forth guidelines regarding
the deductibility, as charitable contributions, of payments made
by taxpayers for admission to or other participation in fundraising
activities for charity.

   In the head of this letter we have indicated whether you must file Form
990, Return of Organization Exempt From Income Tax.  If Yes is indicated,
you are required to file Form 990 only if your gross receipts each year
are normally more than $25,000.  However, if you receive a Form 990
package in the mail, please file the return even if you do not exceed
the gross receipts test.  If you are required to file, simply attach
the label provided, check the box in the heading to indicate that your
annual gross receipts are normally $25,000 or less, and sign the return.

   If a return is required, it must be filed by the 15th day of the fifth
month after the end of your annual accounting period.  A penalty of
$20 a day is charged when a return is filed late, unless there is a
reasonable cause for the delay.  However, the maximum penalty charged
cannot exceed $10,000 or 5 percent of your gross receipts for the year,
whichever is less.  For organizations with gross receipts exceeding
$1,000,000 in any year, the penalty is $100 per day per return, unless
there is a reasonable cause for the delay.  The maximum penalty for an
organization with gross receipts exceeding $1,000,000 shall not exceed
$50,000.  This penalty may also be charged if a return is not complete,
so be sure your return is complete when you file it.

   You are required to make your annual return available for public
inspection for three days after the return is due.  You are also required
to make available a copy of your exemption application, any supporting
documents, and this exemption letter.  Failure to make these documents
available for public inspection may subject you to a penalty of $20
per day for each day there is a failure to comply (up to a maximum of
$10,000 in the case of an annual return).

   You are not required to file federal income tax returns unless you are
subject to the tax on unrelated business income under sections 511 of
the Code.  If you are subject to this tax, you must file an income tax
return on Form 990-T, Exempt Organization Business Income Tax Return.
In this letter we are not determining whether any of your present or
proposed activities are unrelated trade or business as defined in
section 513 of the Code.

   You need an employer identification number even if you have no
employees.  If an employer identification number was not entered on your
application, a number will be assigned to you and you will be advised of
it.  Please use that number on all returns you file and in all
correspondence with the Internal Revenue Service.

   This determination is based on evidence that your funds are dedicated
to the purposes listed in section 501(c)3 of the Code.  To assure your
continued exemption, you shoud keep records to show that funds are
expended only for those purposes.  If you distribute funds to other
organizations, your records should show whether they are exempt under
section 501(c)(3).  In cases where the recipient organization is not
exempt under section 501(c)(3), there should be evidence that the funds
will remain dedicated to the required purposes and that they will be
used for those purposes by the recipient.

   If distributions are made to individuals, case histories regarding the
recipients should be kept showing names, addresses, purposes of awards,
manner of selection, relationship (if any) to members, officers,
trustees or donors of funds to you, so that any and all distributions
made to individuals can be substantiated upon request by the Internal
Revenue Service.  (Revenue Ruling 56-304, C.B. 1956-2, page 306.)

   If we have indicated in the heading of this letter that an addendum
applies, the enclosed addendum is an integral part of this letter.

   Because this letter could help you resolve any questions about
your exempt status and foundation status, you should keep it in your
permanent records.

   If you have any questions, please contact the person whose name and
telephone number are shown in the heading of this letter.

                                 Sincerely yours,

                                        <Glen E. Henderson>

                                  District Director

                                                Letter 947 (DO/CG)
valerie
response 7 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jul 18 14:04 UTC 1998

This response has been erased.

remmers
response 8 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jul 18 14:49 UTC 1998

A big second from me. Jan put in a lot of work on this. Thanks, Jan!
nsiddall
response 9 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jul 18 15:20 UTC 1998

Typing that letter in must have been bad enough--but thanks for doing
that.  It gives us a taste of what you've been working on.
jazz
response 10 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jul 18 15:56 UTC 1998

        This is not a good thing.
jared
response 11 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jul 18 16:44 UTC 1998

hrm.. time for me to move into gear.
tsty
response 12 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jul 18 18:01 UTC 1998

well, this immediately throws teh auction.cf into a cocked hat ...
        "only to the extent that their contributions are gifts,
        with no consideration received."
  
who is responsible for massaging this pending imbroglio?
  
who does the best hoop-dance around here?
danr
response 13 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jul 18 18:42 UTC 1998

I'm quite impressed. This was approved on the first pass, no?

I don't share tsty's impending sense of disaster, but we should put 
into place some guidelines for handling donations.
aaron
response 14 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jul 18 19:04 UTC 1998

The question is, now that you have it, what are you going to do with it?

I would hate to see another organization squander its 501(C)(3) status.
mta
response 15 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jul 18 19:53 UTC 1998

We got the status based on a very honest and straightforward accounting of
what Grex is and does.

The auction is in the application.

No worries.
aruba
response 16 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jul 18 22:43 UTC 1998

Quite right, no need for massaging anything.  I'm curious what Dan means by 
"guidelines".

THanks Jan, for all your work.  It took someone to stand up and do the
drudgery on this to make it work, and you did it.
aruba
response 17 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jul 18 22:43 UTC 1998

(It also took someone to write a really good application.)
hematite
response 18 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jul 19 01:40 UTC 1998

So, will some one in plain English, tell me whether or not the money from
the auction is refunadble? (It makes no diference in my bids, just curious.)
omni
response 19 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jul 19 05:04 UTC 1998

  Thanks for all your hard work, Jan
senna
response 20 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jul 19 05:54 UTC 1998

Didn't we have a problem with this last summer with nt?  Normal donations
aren't refundable.  I don't think the auction's are, either.
aaron
response 21 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jul 19 05:54 UTC 1998

re #15: I have no problem with what Grex does. The question is, what will
        Grex do in the future? If the goal is to stay just like this, well,
        let's just say that would not be a good use of the status.
mdw
response 22 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jul 19 06:44 UTC 1998

I think there basically 3 differences 501c3 makes, one small, 2 big.
The small one is we will need to be *slightly* more careful about
chasing down all the obscure tax consequences and following them.  This
is mostly a reporting/recording issue, and is almost entirely stuff we
are doing already, and *should* be doing anyways.

The first of the major things is, individual donors who already donate
stuff to grex, will get a few more tax options, if they so choose.  I
think this benefit will be primarily psychological, and I don't expect
this to have a major financial impact to the individuals concerned, to
grex, or to the federal government.  It's still nice to make those
individuals feel good, because they've done a huge favour for grex.

The second of the major benefits is the one I think could be most useful
to grex: we have now enormously improved our chances of pimping some
serious hardware from a Big Company.  We've already made a choice to
specialize in technically obselete "formerly expensive" computer
equipment, and developed in-house expertise to make this equipment
useful on grex.  Until now, we've only been able to use hardware that
was so obselete, even the accountants in the company had given up on
recovering any value from the hardware in question, so they were willing
to give it up to anyone who would haul it away.  Now, we can get that
equipement at least a year earlier in the depreciation schedule, after
it's been replaced and is functionally worthless to the company, but
still has book value and isn't quite "worthless" to the accountant.  We
can essentially give that book value back to the company in the form of
tax credits, and get ahold of newer stuff.

( Of course m-net has long had the same benefit.  In fact, they've
gotten some interesting hardware this way, which they basically wasted
because they weren't able to use the in-house expertise they had
effectively. )
mta
response 23 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jul 19 14:02 UTC 1998

resp:21

Apparently the IRS doesn't think so.  Why do you think it would be "not a good
use of the status", Aaron?

aaron
response 24 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jul 19 14:08 UTC 1998

Geez. You may think it is wonderful that you can sit on your ass doing
nothing, after somebody hands you the tools which can help you move your
organization far beyond its limited role and make it a truly meaningful
part of the community. Maybe that's what you had in mind from the start.
However, if you do so, you will just have to live with the fact that I will
look down on you for wasting opportunity.
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