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mvpel
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Jihad for Children
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Apr 16 06:39 UTC 2002 |
From http://wtvt.com/investreptr/jihad.html (link to report with photos)
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It's a show that won't make the Saturday morning lineup on any American
network. But it has had a prominent slot on Palestinian TV. The program
lacks the same slick production value of an American children's show, but
it's just as influential. It's called The Children's Club.
It comes complete with puppet shows, games, songs and a very chilling
message about becoming a suicide bomber. A little girl sings in Arabic
about her ultimate ambition in life.
(Song Translation) "Oh sing my sister constantly about my life as a
suicide warrior."
Another girl screams about preparing to die.
Teaching to hate
(Song Translation) "I foresee my death, but I march quickly. Am I afraid?
Life has little value because I'm returning to my lord and my people will
know I am a hero."
That message is repeated again and again in song and verse.
(Song Translation) "I will come at the time of drought with my best
efforts bring a machine gun, violence anger, anger, anger..."
The children, most of them elementary school age, shout a message of
violence.
"I will return with the dawn of tomorrow. It is my conviction of launch a
jihad."
Girl shouting a message of violence
(Song Translation) "When I wander into Jerusalem, I'll turn into a suicide
warrior in battle dress, in battle dress, in battle dress."
A teacher cheers them on, "Bravo, bravo, bravo."
If you're like most Americans, you had no idea that the show existed, but
the Children's Club is no secret to Israelis.
"I am still shocked every time I see it," says Hela Crown-Tamir who lived
in Israel for 19 years.
?Imagine a teacher telling them bravo, "Crown-Tamir says, "because they're
going to grow up to be a militant Islamic suicide bomber.?
Hela Crown-Tamir
Crown-Tamir moved back to The Tampa Bay area to escape the violence that
ruined her travel business. She says Americans are just now waking up to
the realities Israelis have been facing for years, that children are
trained as suicide bombers. Because it's so dramatic, some Israeli groups
have used excerpts from The Children's Club to produce a campaign against
Palestinian leader Yassir Arafat.
But are Palestinian children really educated this way? Or is this just an
Israeli propaganda tool? We contacted several Islamic groups in the Tampa
Bay area, but no one from any of those organizations would even agree to
watch the tape.
Professor Abdelwahab Hachiche
But University of South Florida professor Abdelwahab Hachiche did agree to
watch it.
"I always keep a reasonable degree of skepticism about anything I see or
anything I read."
Hachiche is an internationally recognized expert on Mideast terrorism.
He's also an Arab and a Moslem. Until we gave him the tape, he'd never
heard of the show. And while he says he has no idea who produced it, he
says the translations are accurate and the problem is real.
"And the indoctrination and the danger of indoctrination is very, very
serious.?"
Dr. Hachiche calls this kind of teaching nothing short of infanticide. But
he hopes children growing up in today's Islamic world will ultimately
reject these messages of hatred.
"On both sides the younger generation are looking for true leaders who
will have the courage to overcome this passion that is leading to mutual
destruction."
Still, in the mid-east the violence continues. And now even in America
we're looking terrorism right in the face-- listening and wondering if
this is the voice of the future.
Give us some feedback! What's your opinion? Click here to send an e-mail
to FOX13 Investigates. http://wtvt.com/investreptr/mail2.html
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oval
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response 1 of 269:
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Apr 16 08:52 UTC 2002 |
Ahad Ha'am, a spiritual Zionist spoke of a Jewish "supernation": "The nation
of Israel as a supernation - the modern version of the chosen people - can
in this way be expanded into a true system". 24
Moses Hess maintained that "Every Jew has the makings of a Messiah, every
Jewess that of a Mater Dolorosa." Ahad Ha'am stated that "we feel ourselves
to be the aristocracy of history." Herzl declared that "our race is more
efficient in everything than most other peoples of the earth." In 1957 Ben
Gurion asserted the same notion. "I believe in our moral and intellectual
superiority to serve as a model for the redemption of the human race."25
This concept was then drilled into the minds of Israeli school children. One
of these pupils wrote in 1968:
I am a pupil in a college in Be'er Sheva. I don't want trouble. The director
of the office of education will not like my letter; therefore I am not signing
my full name.
The problem: KHUZARI BOOK, which is approved by the office of education. In
the introduction to the book Dr. Tzifroni writes:
"The nation of Israel is a chosen nation because of its race, its education
and the climate of the land in which it was brought up. The race of the
Israeli people is the most superior of all races." I think that these
sentences require no explanation.
Mira, Be'er Sheva
(Published in "Haolam Haze", an Israeli newspaper, (issue 1954) and quoted
in "Israel Imperial News", October 1968.26)
Thus, the concept of a "chosen race" in Zionism differs from that in Nazism,
only in the identity of that race being the "Jewish" rather than the "Aryan"
race.27
From the very beginning of their settlement in Palestine, the Zionists pursued
policies based on the denial of the Palestinian people or their presence in
Palestine. Golda Meir quoted in the Sunday Times, 15 June 1969:
"There was no such thing as Palestinians. They did not exist."28
This de-humanising concept of Zionist ideology seemed make it possible for
the Zionists to expel, dispossess and oppress the Palestinians with ease.
Herzl spoke of expelling the Palestinians rather casually:
"We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by
procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any
employment in our own country."29
Zionism preached and Israel implemented the policies of expulsion and
oppression of non-Jews (Muslim and Christian Palestinians). It is these
practices that brought about the passage on November 10,1975, by an
overwhelming majority by the U.N. General Assembly, of the resolution
designating "Zionism as a form of racism." This brought about the hysterical
outcry from U.N. and other Western politicians and media who spoke of
revulsion and obscenity and protestations by Zionists that Zionism is Judaism.
As we heard earlier many dedicated Jewish scholars reject, as blasphemous,
the notion that equates Judaism with Zionism. Other Zionists brought up the
novel idea that "Zionism is the national liberation movement of Jews". Be that
as it may, we should set aside all emotionalism and look objectively not at
the theoretical definition, regardless whether it is true or false, but at
Zionism in PRACTICE.
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happyboy
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response 2 of 269:
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Apr 16 11:03 UTC 2002 |
ROTFLMAO!
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rlejeune
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response 3 of 269:
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Apr 16 14:40 UTC 2002 |
Ironically, a great many of the non-Zionists who stayed in Eurpoe were
eliminated in the Holocaust. So now, Zionism and Judaism may be more closely
linkied than they were in the past. I think a global thromonuclear war would
cure a lot of these problems.
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rcurl
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response 4 of 269:
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Apr 16 14:40 UTC 2002 |
What is peculiar about #0 is the inherent admission that it is not
established that this is Palestinian and not Israeli propaganda. It
is said:
"But are Palestinian children really educated this way? Or is this just an
Israeli propaganda tool? We contacted several Islamic groups in the Tampa
Bay area, but no one from any of those organizations would even agree to
watch the tape."
How can there be any questiona about this? The source of the broadcasts
can be easily established with direction finding equipment. If it is being
produced by anti-Isreali Arabs, then they would be claiming they are doing
so. It has all the symptoms of being propaganda.
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morwen
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Apr 16 17:23 UTC 2002 |
I'm not sure that means anything. I think that the Palestinians are
aware that knowledge of this would cause a public outcry all over the
world. Maybe they just don't want to admit it?
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scott
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response 6 of 269:
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Apr 16 17:35 UTC 2002 |
Maybe it isn't true. I don't think I'd count mvpel as any kind of accurate
or unbiased source.
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rcurl
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response 7 of 269:
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Apr 16 19:01 UTC 2002 |
Re #5: how can anyone not have knowledge of it if it is true? And why
is one of the title shots in English - so Americans can understand
it - and who would want America to understand it?
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jazz
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response 8 of 269:
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Apr 17 00:40 UTC 2002 |
I knew there was something sinister and wrong about the Flintstones
commercials.
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klg
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response 9 of 269:
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Apr 17 00:44 UTC 2002 |
re: "#4 What is peculiar about #0 is the inherent admission that it is not
established that this is Palestinian and not Israeli propaganda.."
Yes, we know, curlie. And the Sept 11 attacks were masterminded by the
Mossad.
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rcurl
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response 10 of 269:
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Apr 17 01:03 UTC 2002 |
#0 itself leaves the question uncertain. If they don't know, who does?
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russ
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response 11 of 269:
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Apr 17 01:16 UTC 2002 |
So Carrie equates self-promotion (which apparently is no longer going
on) with indoctrination to murder in the here-and-now? I don't see
them as being anything close to moral equivalents, so I don't understand
why she's juxtaposing #1 against #0.
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russ
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Apr 17 04:14 UTC 2002 |
Re #7: I regularly encounter people who are surprised at truths I
consider common knowledge. Just the other day I found that someone
I've known for many years had no idea that certain cancers are
associated with AIDS.
If there is a conspiracy of Bavarian Illiterati, it's damn big. ;-)
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vidar
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Apr 17 04:14 UTC 2002 |
resp #3: Certainly with the entire population of the entire planet
extinct, all problems would cease. But we couldn't rejoice in it,
being dead and all.
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oval
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response 14 of 269:
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Apr 17 04:32 UTC 2002 |
russ i think you're old enough to know that people schooled in israel in the
50's-60's are probably still alive and running the country.
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aaron
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Apr 17 05:02 UTC 2002 |
It is a shame some children are raised to hate.
http://www.nimn.org/images/woman_being_kicked.jpg
re #4: Israel is not always refined in its propaganda, as evidenced by
Ariel Sharon's "terrorism" mantra, but this type of thing is far
more likely either the genuine product of a group like Islamic
Jihad, or the product of an anti-Palestinian hate group like
Kahane Chai.
The fact that the broadcast of the tape cannot be confirmed
indicates, if nothing else, that it was given to the news station
as part of an anti-Palestinian propaganda effort. When Israeli
troops broadcast pornography to the towns they captured in their
recent incursions, it took no more than a day for the reports to
be confirmed. And there are propaganda organizations which actively
monitor Arab language media for anything that will look bad in
translation. There simply is no chance that this could have been
broadcast, let alone regularly broadcast, without that claim being
easily confirmed.
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morwen
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response 16 of 269:
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Apr 17 14:08 UTC 2002 |
Personally, I think that both groups have gone overboard, but that's
just me.
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happyboy
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response 17 of 269:
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Apr 17 15:10 UTC 2002 |
re15: beautiful link!
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jp2
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response 18 of 269:
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Apr 17 16:47 UTC 2002 |
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russ
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response 19 of 269:
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Apr 18 04:17 UTC 2002 |
Re #14: And people schooled in the 50's and 60's have had plenty of
experience to modify any part of said teaching which doesn't correspond
to reality. If someone graduated from high school in 1969 at the age
of 18, they are now about 51 years old. If they *haven't* changed
plenty of their views in that time, they aren't smart enough to be
running anything more complicated than a taxi or sewing machine.
How much experience does a 10-yr-old get between his last lesson in
martyrdom and the time he straps on his explosive vest? Carrie, you
cannot possibly be as dense as #14 makes you look. Or so I hope.
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keesan
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Apr 18 11:03 UTC 2002 |
I graduated in 1968 at the age of 18 and am 51. Your example would have
graduated at age 19, I think.
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scott
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Apr 18 13:55 UTC 2002 |
Re #19: Even years of experience won't change some people's minds. There
are still a fair number of 50-60 year old people around who are worried about
Communists, for instance.
I hate to say this Russ, but you really don't seem to understand people.
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jp2
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Apr 18 17:47 UTC 2002 |
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response 23 of 269:
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Apr 19 00:42 UTC 2002 |
russ you obviously have changed your mind much since the thwarted education
you got way back when..
a lot of people are racist or ignorant becuase they were brought up to be that
way by parents or educators. and yes they ARE (apparently) smart enough to
hold office. don't make start citing.
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russ
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response 24 of 269:
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Apr 19 23:52 UTC 2002 |
Re #23: I didn't say they *had* to have changed their views, I said
they'd had plenty of opportunity (and almost certainly had on at least
some issues - maybe just not the ones you or I would like).
But you keep dodging the question, Carrie: How much experience does
a 10-yr-old Palestinian martyr-trainee get between the last video
praising those who kill Israelis and strapping on his bomb? How much
opportunity does he have to reconsider?
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