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bdh3
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(A title, just for russ) Another gun prevents crime item.
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Apr 8 05:55 UTC 2002 |
http://www2.bostonherald.com/news/local_regional/dart04072002.htm
http://www.unionleader.com/articles_show.html?article=10163
After scoping out houses on Goose Green Road in
neighboring Vershire, Vt., they put their plan into
action July 19, 2000.
Suited up in black, Tulloch and Parker, armed with
older Army knives, duct tape and zip ties, approached
the house at night. Before going to the door, they cut
the phone lines and dug a grave in a lot of a nearby
abandoned home where they planned to bury their
victims after they robbed them, Ayotte said.
Tulloch went to the door while Parker hid in the
bushes. Tulloch planned to say their car had broken
down and ask to use the phone, but when a man answered
with a gun in his hand and refused to let him in,
Tulloch left.
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rcurl
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Apr 8 18:10 UTC 2002 |
Well, clearly Tulloch and Parker didn't think ahead, and come armed
with gun, as bdh3 so strongly recommends. They should have taken his
advice.
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russ
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response 2 of 40:
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Apr 8 22:23 UTC 2002 |
Okay, these guys left after seeing the homeowner at the door.
There was no robbery. Two years later, how the hell did the
newspaper know what these guys planned?
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scott
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response 3 of 40:
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Apr 8 23:42 UTC 2002 |
They just casually dug a grave? Does anybody realize how much **&#$ work it
is to dig a hole that big? Even if it was shallower and narrower than the
usual 6 foot coffin hole, it's still several hours of labor.
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other
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response 4 of 40:
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Apr 8 23:50 UTC 2002 |
maybe they had a backhoe.
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scott
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response 5 of 40:
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Apr 9 00:08 UTC 2002 |
They could afford a backhoe, but not a gun?
Chalk one up for gun control, then. ;)
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tsty
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response 6 of 40:
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Apr 9 06:13 UTC 2002 |
uhhhhh, chalk one up for gun *availability*, perhaps yu mean?
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bdh3
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response 7 of 40:
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Apr 9 07:06 UTC 2002 |
All you gotta do is read the links. The two passed by the guy
with the gun and shortly thereafter went on to murder the Zantops
(dartmouth professor and wife ring a bell?).
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russ
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response 8 of 40:
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Apr 9 12:31 UTC 2002 |
One hole in Scott's logic is that crooks buy illegal guns, which
are cheaper than legal guns (by an order of magnitude or more).
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scott
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response 9 of 40:
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Apr 9 13:30 UTC 2002 |
One hole in Russ's logic is that those illegal guns include those stolen from
"self defense" owners, thus lowering purchase price on average.
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clees
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response 10 of 40:
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Apr 9 22:41 UTC 2002 |
Not to mention the low prices of 'hot' backhoes (whatever they may be,
but I take it they digg holes)
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scott
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response 11 of 40:
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Apr 10 01:51 UTC 2002 |
Oddly enough, few people buy backhoes for self-defense purposes.
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russ
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response 12 of 40:
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Apr 10 02:09 UTC 2002 |
Scott doesn't seem to be able to explain the prevalence of illegal
guns in Japan and Britain (which is growing). Funny, that.
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jmsaul
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response 13 of 40:
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Apr 10 02:17 UTC 2002 |
How about illegal construction equipment?
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swargler
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response 14 of 40:
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Apr 10 05:48 UTC 2002 |
Yeah, laugh about backhoes until you are victimized by someone wielding one.
Google sez:
TheBostonChannel.com - News - Police: Man Robs ATM With Backhoe
Hoe, Hoe, Hoe; Merry Bank Robbery
W O R C E S T E R, Mass. There was no fake mustache, no note, no threats,
no gun. A backhoe was all this bank robber figured he needed.
Worcester police say he knocked a hole in the wall of a Sovereign Bank
branch early Tuesday. The robber was apparently trying to break into two
automatic teller machines.
Sergeant Donald Cummings says the backhoe was apparently stolen from a
nearby construction site. It was recovered near the bank.
Police were still checking how much money the robber may have stolen.
They know something about the suspect already: he can drive a backhoe.
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russ
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response 15 of 40:
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Apr 10 13:09 UTC 2002 |
I support the right of all citizens to own backhoes. Regardless
of the threat to fiber-optic cables, there is no telling when
someone may need to dig their way out of a threat. I'm sure it's
just the thing for certain grave situations.
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scott
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Apr 10 13:19 UTC 2002 |
Russ doesn't seem to be able to refute my point, so instead he posts something
only vaguely related and then pretends we've discussed it recently enough for
it to appropriate to the argument at hand.
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gull
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response 17 of 40:
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Apr 10 19:10 UTC 2002 |
That'll be the next terrorist attack. Terrorists renting backhoes and
strategically cutting vital fiber optic lines. ;)
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clees
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response 18 of 40:
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Apr 11 06:21 UTC 2002 |
Less casualties at least.
If only they could kill mobile phone antennas in one big blast.
We would in one stroke be rid of all the shouting people in public
places with one hand at their jaw which makew slok like they are
suffering from toothache. Worse are those phoning hands free while
wlaking on the street. They look like they derranged, and maybe they
are.
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mcnally
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Apr 11 07:02 UTC 2002 |
Please. Unless you're upset when you encounter people talking face-to-face
on the street or in a public place, what's the big taboo about cell phones?
I'll concede that there are some inconsiderate cell-phone users out
there who could use a bit of etiquette instruction but most of the
cell-phone opponents I encounter seem to be opposed to them on general
principal, not because they're ticked off about a particular example
of exceptional rudeness.
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johnnie
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response 20 of 40:
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Apr 11 12:20 UTC 2002 |
My theory (re cell phone opponents) is that people have been conditioned
over the centuries to understand that someone walking along talking to
themselves is probably crazy and likely dangerous, and that a cell-phone
user pushes that fear button.
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void
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response 21 of 40:
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Apr 11 15:49 UTC 2002 |
There are a lot of cell phone users who have remarkably bad cell phone
manners. There are a lot of people who simply have remarkably bad
manners. I always have my cell phone with me, but there are times when
I turn it off: when driving, when eating anywhere fancier than Denny's,
at meetings, when in a movie theatre or other performance, et cetera.
When I am with other people and it goes off, I always at least say,
"Excuse me" to the people whose live conversation I am interrupting to
answer the phone. It's not that hard.
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gull
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response 22 of 40:
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Apr 11 18:07 UTC 2002 |
I think part of the problem is that people talking on a cell phone tend
to talk quite a bit louder than people who are talking to someone at
the table with them.
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rcurl
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response 23 of 40:
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Apr 11 18:38 UTC 2002 |
It is strange that so many cell-phone users are oblivious to strangers
overhearing their conversations. To think that at one time pay-phones
were in sound-insulated boxes, or at least had sound barriers, to keep
phone conversations more private.
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jazz
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response 24 of 40:
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Apr 11 19:10 UTC 2002 |
I'd chalk that up as a problem with general rudeness, being
inconsiderate of the people around them, rather than with a specific
technology.
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