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polygon
The new world of medical fraud Mark Unseen   Mar 26 09:46 UTC 2002

I just returned from a trip to Nebraska, two flights out, two flights
back.

I rarely have occasion to fly, and this was my first occasion to do
so since 9/11.  One thing I noticed is that books and magazines seem
frequently to be left behind by passengers in the seat pockets.  On two of
the four flights, I found non-airline-provided items in the seat pockets.

One of these items was a men's magazine called "Stuff".  I'm not exactly
sure of its market niche.  It has pictorials of scantily-clad women which
would look tame next to the Playboy or Penthoue of thirty years ago.  It
has a lot of men's fashions and consumer electronics stuff, and the prose
style is so snarky and littered with cheap jokes that it gets tedious to
read after a few paragraphs. 

The thing is not even worth mentioning except for the fact that I found
SPAM in it -- a species of patently dishonest and illegal spam that
infests all of our non-Grex email inboxes, originated from shadowy sources
overseas.  Yup, there was a three page ad for "Herbal Science
Breakthrough," i.e., penis enlargement. 

Now, I don't normally peruse these kinds of publications, but it is my
impression that U.S.-based media are more or less obliged to avoid
accepting ads for things that are illegal or fraudulent, especially in the
medical field.  Ads for medicines or medical devices are regulated in some
fashion by the FDA.  For example, claims of efficacy have to be supported
by scientific evidence, and ads for certain kinds of pharmaceuticals are
apparently required to list the possible side effects.  The really dodgy
ads for completely fake medicines contain the word "placebo" in hopes, I
guess, that the intended audience will not understand what that means.

But here was have a large ad which claims that a pill will bring about
permanent change in a body part.  And it's published in a U.S.  magazine
with offices on the Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY.

However you may feel about regulation in general, I would think that
anyone who doesn't vote Libertarian would regard the Pure Food & Drug Act
as being at least a well-intentioned idea if not perfectly implemented.

Does the Bush Administration's idea of deregulation include an FDA that no
longer worries about medical frauds?
25 responses total.
jazz
response 1 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 26 13:32 UTC 2002

        I never thought about it that way;  I usually just keep turning when
my bullshit detector goes off that strongly.
gull
response 2 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 26 13:59 UTC 2002

The FDA doesn't regulate herbal remedies.  As long as, somewhere in the fine
print, they say "this claim has not been verified by the Food and Drug
Administration," they can apparently claim pretty much whatever they want. 

It used to be the rule of thumb was they could only claim to support a
natural process ("encourages good digestion"), but the rules don't seem to be
enforced that strictly anymore.  I've been seeing a lot of ads on cable for
an herbal capsule called "chaser" that claims to prevent hangovers, for
example.
orinoco
response 3 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 26 15:37 UTC 2002

Also, they define "herbal remedy" pretty loosely.  As long as the substance
is naturally occurring rather than synthetic, and not blatantly poisonous,
you can call it an herbal remedy and the FDA backs off.  They can still take
it off the market if they find out it's harmed someone, but not if it fails
to live up to your claims.
brighn
response 4 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 26 16:36 UTC 2002

I *do* vote Libertarian, and I find laws against fraud necessary.
 
(STUFF is, I believe, published by the same people as Maxim, discussed in the
last Agora, and has a similar niche.)
jp2
response 5 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 26 18:52 UTC 2002

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senna
response 6 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 27 03:20 UTC 2002

Amazing.  An otherwise intelligent and thought-provoking post about a topic
worthy of discussion and occasional ridicule that, in the space of one
sentence, becomes a cheap political flame.  C'mon, Larry, it's not ALL about
Bush.  
russ
response 7 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 27 04:33 UTC 2002

Re #0:  Shows how much you know about libertarians.

This is actually a reactionary cause.  There are some right-wing
folks in Congress who want "alternative medicine" to be accepted,
reimbursed, etc. the same as proven, conventional treatments.
The fact that any "alternative" treatments which actually work
(like foxglove for heart failure) get turned into far better
"conventional" treatments within a short (and shortening) time
seems to have escaped them.

I put this kind of thing right up there with the same kind of
magical thinking which supports creationism and Flood geology.
(They seem to be supported by the same people.)  Anyone who
believes it has a serious problem with their thought processes,
as in next to zero critical thinking skills.

And no, before you ask:  it shouldn't be lawful to fleece the
handicapped, especially if you're lying (even Dogbert's day-old
lottery ticket scheme was truthful).
jmsaul
response 8 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 27 14:19 UTC 2002

There are scientific studies showing the effectiveness of acupuncture in
anesthetizing *animals*.  There's some value to at least researching
alternative treatments to find out which ones actually work, and why.
rcurl
response 9 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 27 16:07 UTC 2002

The UM hospitals have an alternative medicine research program, studying
what does something and what doesn't. 
keesan
response 10 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 27 16:11 UTC 2002

If commercial medicine and pharmaceuticals were not so ridiculously expensive,
people would have less incentive to use the cheaper and non-prescription
cures, but in some countries (former Yugoslavia) pharmacies also stocked and
doctors also prescribed medicinal teas, which were much cheaper to gather and
process than it was to synthesize the equivalents.
oval
response 11 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 27 16:53 UTC 2002

well then its too bad bush no longer consults congress on anything, russ.
glenda
response 12 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 27 17:27 UTC 2002

What do you call it when a pharmacy charges you the co-pay of $5 for 15 pills
a month when you can skip the whole insurance thing and buy 60 of the same
pills for $9.99?
eskarina
response 13 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 27 17:51 UTC 2002

probably the difference between a brand name and a generic.

What was the actual cost of the 15 pills a month.
polygon
response 14 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 27 18:21 UTC 2002

My apologies for the slighting references to Libertarians and the Bush
administration.  I wrote #0 under the influence of my astonishment that
such an ad could appear in a U.S.-based magazine claiming over a million
circulation.

I'm not at all opposed to the sale and even the advertising of herbal
remedies as such.  I would be taken aback, though, by an ad with a
headline such as "CHAMOMILE FORMULA CURES CANCER IN 14 DAYS".

Certain kinds of fraud require the complicity of the victim, and are
always under-reported because victims are reluctant to reveal their own
greed and gullibility.  Hence the "pigeon drop", profitable and low-risk
for crooks, has been commonplace for over a hundred years, and is now even
done via email from Nigeria. 

Who's going to complain about being bilked and/or injured by "penis
enlargement" fraud -- and suffer the personal embarrassment such a
revelation would entail?  Somewhat like reporting to the police the theft
of one's burglar tools or heroin.

Spam is cheap, but a three-page ad in a national publication probably
costs a lot of money and implies a very well funded operation.  I would
just guess that some unscrupulous crook is making a lot of money off men's
gullibility and vanity.
lowclass
response 15 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 27 20:24 UTC 2002

        As for who's going to complain? Back in the late seventies, a
local pot grower had the audacity to complain to the Ingham county police
about the theft of his product. Only reason, he didn't get arrsted
hisself, was all the dope had been taken from his plot.

        Cops can tell some interesting stories...
glenda
response 16 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 27 21:35 UTC 2002

Re 13.  The $5 is the generic co-pay.  If it was a brand name my co-pay would
be $10.
russ
response 17 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 28 04:11 UTC 2002

Re #10:  Conventional treatments cost a lot of money because
they are expensive to research, test and produce.  The FDA
has a lot to do with this.

If the FDA approval process was made shorter and less expensive,
you'd get cheaper medicines.  Somehow I don't see a public
clamor for this.  People want everything to be absolutely safe;
they have to realize that this is going to make things expensive.

It galls me that people can offer unproven and almost certainly
worthless treatments just because they are "herbal" or "natural",
but that's what Congress decided they should be able to do.  This
cynic is not surprised by either Congress or the public. ;-)
bdh3
response 18 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 28 07:55 UTC 2002

Burned by the penis enlargement pill were you...
happyboy
response 19 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 28 14:51 UTC 2002

hey man...this thing won't fit in the BONG.
oval
response 20 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 28 21:20 UTC 2002

LOL!
russ
response 21 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 29 00:00 UTC 2002

Re #18:  No, burned by an osteopath who's an incompetent
diagnostician and ordered an expensive, useless test that I'm
expected to pay for... and whose incompetence resulted in my
bronchitis going untreated and turning into pneumonia.

But I digress.
void
response 22 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 29 19:11 UTC 2002

There are a lot of MDs who are incompetent diagnosticians and who order
unnecessary tests.  Hmm.

(I'm quite happy with my osteopath, who, when I had walking pneumonia,
asked if I wanted to use herbal remedies or antibiotics, and told me
later that if I had chosen only herbal remedies he would have tried
mightily to talk me into using antiobiotics.)
tpryan
response 23 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 30 01:45 UTC 2002

        Ladies and Gentlemen, we have found the man who reads the 
articles!
tpryan
response 24 of 25: Mark Unseen   Mar 30 01:45 UTC 2002

        And the ads.
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