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jp2
Questions about interactions among the states Mark Unseen   May 2 23:52 UTC 2002

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scott
response 1 of 25: Mark Unseen   May 3 01:14 UTC 2002

"As most of you know, I live in Maryland near the DC line.  And, as most of
 you know, Virginia is full of assholes. "

Umm... nah.  Too easy.  ;)
mcnally
response 2 of 25: Mark Unseen   May 3 01:35 UTC 2002

  >  Ummm... nah.  Too easy.

  Indeed.

  I think Maryland should annex the Virginia portion of the Delmarva
  peninsula for a start..
ea
response 3 of 25: Mark Unseen   May 3 03:45 UTC 2002

Ohio: We'll give you the Upper Peninsula if you give us Toledo
Michigan: ok, sure

(I think that the UP brings in more tourism dollars than Toledo does.  
However, Toledo has the UPS hub, which presumably provides a lot of 
jobs)
gull
response 4 of 25: Mark Unseen   May 3 03:49 UTC 2002

I do wonder if they regretted that decision around 1850 or so, when half the
world's copper was coming from the U.P.
bdh3
response 5 of 25: Mark Unseen   May 3 03:59 UTC 2002

Depending on the issue at hand individual US States 'sue' each other
in courts at a federal level to settle issues.  Such recent I recall
are NJ -v- NY over who get money from tourist attraction - I believe
that NJ's case was something like because there was a bridge linking
the island with NJ, the island which NY claimed was actually instead
land and part of NJ.  Georgia -v- South Carolina over an issue 
involving the Savannah river and some valuable land - the irony of
South Carolina attempting to assert federal authority over one of
its fellow 'confederate' states was particularly wonderful.  I
believe Ohio and Kentucky went at each other over land that was
previously river- one state asserting it owned land on the other
state's side of the river, although I don't recall which. 

krj
response 6 of 25: Mark Unseen   May 3 04:01 UTC 2002

Crabbing is a very serious issue out there.  I'm surprised Maryland and 
Virginia aren't ganging up to blame Pennsylvania.  What, specifically,
are the Chesapeake Bay states arguing about with respect to crabbing
this time?
jp2
response 7 of 25: Mark Unseen   May 3 04:05 UTC 2002

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gelinas
response 8 of 25: Mark Unseen   May 3 04:11 UTC 2002

Actually, 'twas Wisconsin that got the shaft in the Toledo War: the UP was
NOT part of Ohio, after all, y'know.
rcurl
response 9 of 25: Mark Unseen   May 3 05:12 UTC 2002

State administrators, probably mostly at department head level at first,
telephone or e-mail their counterparts in other states. After all, they
almost all speak the same language.
bdh3
response 10 of 25: Mark Unseen   May 3 06:11 UTC 2002

Ohio IRS chief: "Hay, yawl.  We'uns sees them new vacation homes
you'uns is buildin on that there land that used to be river botton."
Kentucky IRS chief: "Uh, hun.  Got one meself, uh huh."
OIRSC: "Well now, seems to me that there is river bottom an like it
as you know, the state boundry be the river bank on you'uns side
and bein how yawl be legally like living in our river an like
that you all otters be payin yer propertizin taxes to we'uns."
KIRSC: "Nuh-uh, that river there, she done moved liket.  So that
there used to be you'un's river botton.  Be we'uns land doncha
hear now."
OIRSC: "Gonna hafta go lawerin that then there."
KIRSC: "You be sure an give it to my wife's second cousin's niece's
nephew Billy-bob now yah hear?"
ORISC: "Sure an liket be given yer side to me wife's brother 
Jimmy-ray, yuh hear?
KRISC: "Don't make me no never mind.  Ya'll take care now, hear?"
OIRSC: "Bye now"
gull
response 11 of 25: Mark Unseen   May 3 12:50 UTC 2002

Re #8: True, but I'm not sure how much they cared.  At the time, the land
was largely unexplored and thought to be pretty much worthless.

Re #10: There's some interesting passages in Mark Twain's _Life on the
Mississippi_ about chunks of land moving from one state's jurisdiction to
another when the Mississippi would cut off a bend.  Nowadays the Mississippi
is so thoroughly engineered and controlled I doubt that sort of thing
happens much anymore.
edina
response 12 of 25: Mark Unseen   May 3 13:37 UTC 2002

Jamie - kiss my ass.  Only over-tanned wife beaters live in MD.
jp2
response 13 of 25: Mark Unseen   May 3 13:53 UTC 2002

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blaise
response 14 of 25: Mark Unseen   May 3 16:19 UTC 2002

As folks may or may not know, I live in Alexandria, Virginia, where Maryland
has teamed up with Fairfax County to force through a twelve-lane monstrosity
of a bridge to replace the Woodrow Wilson bridge.  Maryland is also blocking
the concept of a true bypass (why should *all* the traffic going *past* DC
[from Baltimore and points north to Richmond and points south] have to use
the Capital Beltway?).  Neither side is squeaky-clean.
jp2
response 15 of 25: Mark Unseen   May 3 17:46 UTC 2002

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gelinas
response 16 of 25: Mark Unseen   May 4 04:18 UTC 2002

Huh?  How is 495 not a bypass?  (I was living there when 95 from Springfield
north was renumbered to 395, and 495 from Springfield east was renumbered to
95, with 495 being the loop north and west of the DC.)
jp2
response 17 of 25: Mark Unseen   May 4 07:37 UTC 2002

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edina
response 18 of 25: Mark Unseen   May 4 17:14 UTC 2002

Blaise, where in Alexandria do you live?  I live in the Kingstowne area.
krj
response 19 of 25: Mark Unseen   May 4 23:54 UTC 2002

resp:14 and beyond:  The Capital Beltway, originally I-495 until the 
plan to punch I-95 through the city was abandoned, may have been a 
bypass when it was built, but now it's the Main Street for the 
Washington DC area, completely congested with local traffic.  
So there's a thought that it would be good to build an "outer bypass"
so that the long-haul traffic on I-95 could skip the DC area 
entirely.  I vaguely recall one plan to build a freeway down the 
Eastern Shore, and have the bypass route take the Chesapeake Bay 
Bridge-Tunnel to rejoin I-95 in the Newport News area, and another 
plan to build something taking a western sweep around the city.
 
Jamie's resp:15 about "the District won't let a bypass be built"
is somewhat mystifying, since Washington's city government can't 
even sneeze without getting permission from Congress.
gelinas
response 20 of 25: Mark Unseen   May 5 03:06 UTC 2002

Hadn't heard about those plans; thanks, Ken.
senna
response 21 of 25: Mark Unseen   May 5 05:04 UTC 2002

He mentioned that Congress had killed all four bypasses.

The "second bypass" is currently in progress in Toronto, where the exact
phenomenon Ken is describing has occurred with the 401.  The "ETR" 407 has
yet to be completed all the way East, but it gets people as far as the 400
and it's starting to gain acceptance despite the tolls involved.  The
difference, of course, is the willingness of Canadians to wink at the
government's use of money.

The other difference is that there is even less available freeway for Toronto
commuters for a substantial population base.  
jp2
response 22 of 25: Mark Unseen   May 5 18:07 UTC 2002

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blaise
response 23 of 25: Mark Unseen   May 6 18:33 UTC 2002

I'm referring to bypassing the whole DC metro area, not just DC itself.

I live on Edsall just inside the city limits.
edina
response 24 of 25: Mark Unseen   May 6 19:16 UTC 2002

You live right by my Dad - he's on Jefferson Circle in the townhouses.  I live
about 5-10 minutes away, depending on traffic.

Wanna go to dinner sometime?
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