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mvpel
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Noblesse Oblige in the Modern World
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Apr 19 01:34 UTC 2002 |
An exchange in a recent item prompted me to enter this, an article from the
Daily Northwestern newspaper by Joshua Elder:
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/
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I was sitting in Northwestern University's Fisk Hall listening to
left-wing British journalist Robert Fisk, a veteran foreign correspondent
in the Middle East, when it came to me ... but more on that in a moment.
First, a little background on the esteemed Mr. Fisk. He first came to
my attention in December when he wrote a column for his newspaper,
The Independent, headlined: "My beating by refugees is a symbol of the
hatred and fury of this filthy war."
According to Fisk's account, a mob of Afghan refugees in Pakistan
savagely assaulted him. The men beat him with their fists and large
stones. One young boy even tried to steal his bag -- which held his money,
credit cards and passport.
Fisk fought back and managed to get away with the help of a good
Samaritan, a Muslim, who stepped between him and the attackers and
probably saved Fisk's life.
A harrowing tale, but not all that unique. Daniel Pearl, a reporter for
the Wall Street Journal, was kidnapped and murdered by a group of Muslim
extremists after being forced to record statements denouncing America and
Israel.
Fisk was lucky. He survived. Yet in an almost Christ-like act of
forgiveness, Fisk pardoned his attackers. According to him, their violent
behavior was not their fault. It was America's.
"The Afghan men and boys who had attacked me who should have never done
so but whose brutality was entirely the product of others, of us," he said.
I asked Fisk if he would have found the attack justified if the roles
were reversed, if it had been an Arab journalist attacked by a group of
grieving American relatives of those who died in the World Trade Center.
What he said surprised me. In Fisk's view, Americans were too educated
and too civilized to ever do something like that. Following this reasoning to
its logical conclusion, the Afghan refugees who attacked him were little more
than savages.
Aside from the obvious fallacy that Fisk makes in assuming that one needs
a college education to know the difference between right and wrong, his
statement shows a kind of colonial mindset of noblesse oblige that I thought
had long since been buried but apparently is still alive and well in the
dogma of the modern leftist.
This is the epiphany I spoke of earlier.
Many of the liberals that I have encountered on this campus seem to be
motivated in whole, or in part, by this ideology of noblesse oblige. They are
comfortably middle and upper class -- secure in wealth, education and social
privilege. They are superior to the general population and they know it.
Of course, that superiority brings with it guilt. This leads them to tear
down the very institutions that gave them their privileged positions, while
at the same time, they try to raise up those hopeless "savages" who cannot
achieve success on their own.
Fisk made that very clear when he excused the Afghans who so brutally
attacked him because the "Great Satan" made them do it. So pathetic were
those people in his eyes that they lacked even a rudimentary moral agency.
Fisk, like so many other liberals, pities those whose causes he
champions. There is no respect or compassion -- only pity motivated by
guilt.
Noblesse oblige, indeed.
By Joshua Elder
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com
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response 1 of 20:
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Apr 19 03:13 UTC 2002 |
This may be an accurate protrayal of Fisk's worldview, but don't tar the
entire universe of liberal thinking with that brush.
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jazz
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response 2 of 20:
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Apr 19 04:03 UTC 2002 |
I know whereof he speaks, but serious liberals condemn their thinking
as much as they condemn the thinking of the religious right.
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rlejeune
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response 3 of 20:
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Apr 19 13:14 UTC 2002 |
tanding" when actually they are being disrespectful in a polite way.
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flem
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response 4 of 20:
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Apr 19 14:19 UTC 2002 |
Where's a dumbass tag when I need one.
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jmsaul
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response 5 of 20:
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Apr 19 16:24 UTC 2002 |
Farker, eh?
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flem
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response 6 of 20:
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Apr 19 20:31 UTC 2002 |
From time to time. :)
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janc
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response 7 of 20:
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Apr 21 01:09 UTC 2002 |
Um, I happen to agree that those who are well off should try to do
something for those who aren't. It's inaccurate to try to trace all of
liberal philosophy back to such an impulse, but it's not a bad impulse.
I mean what's the suggested alternative here? Maybe denial? I should
pretend that Americans are no better off than Afghan refugees? Or
maybe I could decide that I'm better off than the average Afghan
refugee purely because of my greater personal virtue and my harder
work, and tell myself that because of that I have no need to pity them?
I think if you want to tar the liberals with a dirty word, you'll need
a much dirtier one than "noblesse oblige". Aside from it's
aristocratic overtones, it's not a bad idea.
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gull
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response 8 of 20:
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Apr 21 02:37 UTC 2002 |
Re #7:
> Or maybe I could decide that I'm better off than the average Afghan
> refugee purely because of my greater personal virtue and my harder
> work, and tell myself that because of that I have no need to pity
> them?
Actually, I'm pretty sure that's a basic right-wing plank. It's one
I've seen jp2 espouse often. It's a pretty basic application of Social
Darwinism.
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slynne
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response 9 of 20:
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Apr 21 19:08 UTC 2002 |
Does Fisk really believe that Afghans are savages or is he
acknowledging that things like poverty and hunger often frustrate
people to the point where they are more likely to do bad things?
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gelinas
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response 10 of 20:
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Apr 21 22:48 UTC 2002 |
Hmm... I read #0 and think of Kipling's "White Man's Burden". Not much has
changed in a hundred years.
I think it takes quite a bit to read "In Fisk's view, Americans were too
educated and too civilized to ever do something like that" and come up
with "he [is] acknowledging that things like poverty and hunger often
frustrate people to the point where they are more likely to do bad things".
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slynne
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response 11 of 20:
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Apr 22 16:26 UTC 2002 |
It isnt any more of a leap than when folks say that he thinks Afghans
are savages.
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md
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response 12 of 20:
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Apr 24 01:40 UTC 2002 |
7: I real life, the alternative for almost everyone, I suspect, is to
understand that those are the breaks. Some people are luckier than
you, and some people are unluckier. The feeling of obligation to help
the unluckier ones is practically what defines a good person.
But while we're feeling sorry for the Afghanistanis and the
Palestinians, we need to keep reminding ourselves that many of them
think it sucks to be *us*. That's why they want to prevent us from
turning the rest of the world into us.
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oval
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response 13 of 20:
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Apr 24 01:43 UTC 2002 |
i think it sucks to be "us" too.
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md
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response 14 of 20:
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Apr 24 01:45 UTC 2002 |
You could make a real good case for that.
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oval
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response 15 of 20:
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Apr 24 01:46 UTC 2002 |
since when did i piss *you* off eh?
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md
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response 16 of 20:
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Apr 24 01:47 UTC 2002 |
You didn't. I agreed with you!
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oval
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response 17 of 20:
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Apr 24 01:50 UTC 2002 |
oh! :)
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mvpel
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response 18 of 20:
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Apr 24 21:25 UTC 2002 |
Re: 7 - the issue is not a lack of recognition that they are worse off than
we are, but rather the attitude that they can't help but be worse off than
we are because of their presumed inferiority, and they'll stay that way unless
we help them, and even when we do help them, they can't be expected to behave
like civilized people.
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oval
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response 19 of 20:
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Apr 24 21:46 UTC 2002 |
is it just me, or does #18 totally contradict itself?
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dbunker
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response 20 of 20:
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Apr 24 22:55 UTC 2002 |
That mysterious mnvpel; he's an enema wrapped in a puddle!
FWIW, #0 contains exactly two quotes. The rest is the author's attempt read
Fisk's mind or project ideas on him that we have no way of knowing he actually
endorses. Pretty absurd actually. A more reasonable interpretation, although
one we again don't know is correct, is that "To whom much is given, much is
expected."
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