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johnnie
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And in other political news...
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Dec 3 16:26 UTC 2000 |
While we've all been preoccupied with the events surrounding the ongoing
Presidential election, the Michigan legislature has taken advantage of
the inattention and their lame-duck status to push forth all kinds of
interesting stuff:
--A pay raise for themselves of as much as 30 percent.
--The ol' concealed weapons permit bill. Both House and Senate have
passed it, but it's currently held up because the the two chambers can't
agree on whether to allow those convicted of drunk driving to carry.
"Law-abiding citizens", indeed. I'm certainly in favor of drunks being
allowed to carry around weapons.
--Emboldened by the failure of proposal 2, they've passed a bill to
forbid local governments from passing "living-wage" laws.
Hmm. Funny how I didn't hear about any of these plans during the
election campaign. I wonder what other goodies they have planned for
us.
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janc
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response 1 of 106:
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Dec 4 17:33 UTC 2000 |
I voted for proposal 2 because I really haven't got much respect for the state
government. The city, county and nation all seem much more rational (even
the Republican-dominated national house and senate). I don't know if it's
term limits, or if the state government is just important enough to attract
the ambitious without being important enough to filter out the fools.
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russ
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response 2 of 106:
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Dec 7 01:31 UTC 2000 |
A ban on "living wage" ordinances is all to the good. It will
prevent idiots in places like Detroit from jacking city expenses
further beyond what their already-overburdened taxpayers can handle,
preventing even more population declines.
What most cities like Detroit need is a full privatization of all
city services other than police (and *maybe* fire). Let them pay
people whatever it takes to get employees. Making municipal jobs
into sinecures is good for nobody but the cronies.
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johnnie
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response 3 of 106:
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Dec 7 17:22 UTC 2000 |
Perhaps, but isn't that for the citizens of Detroit to decide? I don't
see that the state has any business deciding how much the citizens of
Detroit want to tax themselves, even if they are "idiots".
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johnnie
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response 4 of 106:
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Dec 7 17:44 UTC 2000 |
More activity from Lansing:
Both House and Senate have passed bills (I don't know if the bills are
identical or need "working out") that would effectively end insurance
coverage of abortions. Right now, employers have the right to "opt out"
of providing abortion coverage in their health plans. Under the new
law, employers would have to pay extra (opt in) if they want abortions
to be covered under their health plan, and they could not pass the cost
onto their employees (my guess, and probably that of the bill's
sponsers, is that most employers would not buy the extra coverage).
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johnnie
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response 5 of 106:
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Dec 7 17:50 UTC 2000 |
Also, re #0: Apparently the concealed weapons law is also held up by a
dispute about whether or not concealed weapons should be banned from
churches and day care centers. The proponents of not banning seem to
think that banning from such places would make them a magnet for crazies
who want to go on a killing spree but are fearful of law-abiding
citizens with guns in office buildings, factories, restaurants, and post
offices.
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mary
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response 6 of 106:
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Dec 7 17:51 UTC 2000 |
Why not?
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mary
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response 7 of 106:
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Dec 7 17:52 UTC 2000 |
"Why not" was in response to johnnie's statement that "most
employers would not buy the extra coverage".
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johnnie
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response 8 of 106:
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Dec 7 18:10 UTC 2000 |
It's no secret that companies tend to buy the least amount of health
coverage they can get away with, especially when they can't pass the
cost along to their employees. Lack of abortion coverage is not
something that most employees would complain about.
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ashke
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response 9 of 106:
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Dec 7 18:21 UTC 2000 |
I'm more worried about non-medical personel who have a financial goal making
decisions about what procedures are covered by medical insurance. Not even
the abortion issue, but approval or pre-approval for operations and hospital
stays. It's getting rediculous
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johnnie
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response 10 of 106:
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Dec 7 18:25 UTC 2000 |
And flem posted the following in the Announcements item:
>Apparently on Thursday 11/30, the Michigan Senate unanimously passed
>Senate Bill 1116, which amends the Michigan Penal code having to do
>with prostitution and adult entertainment. It includes the following
>text, from new section 465a(3):
> "A person shall not knowingly appear in an adult entertainment
>establishment in a nude or semi-nude condition unless the person is 21
>years of age or older and at least 6 feet from any patron or customer."
>The bill goes to the House now, I gather, but I don't imagine its
>reception there will differ from the Senate much.
flem also noted that it would mean the end of lap dances. I imagine it
would also end the practice of stuffing money into the girls' g-strings.
The law also forbids "adult" businesses from being open between midnight
and 10am, and on Sundays and holidays. Further, it requires dancers to
be employees of the establishment (I suppose that now they are generally
"independent contractors"). I suppose that restriction, along with the
lap dance and g-string-stuffing ban, is intended to make nude dancing
less lucrative for both the business and the dancers.
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remmers
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response 11 of 106:
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Dec 7 21:59 UTC 2000 |
And this legislation is intended to solve what problem?
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other
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response 12 of 106:
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Dec 7 23:10 UTC 2000 |
The problem it is intended to solve is that of the moral discomfort
certain vociferous parties experience when confronted with the notion
that not only do images of sex sell, but that sexual stimulation sells as
well.
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johnnie
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response 13 of 106:
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Dec 8 02:41 UTC 2000 |
The bill states that its purpose is to "regulate sexually oriented
businesses to promote the health, safety, and general welfare of the
citizens of this state."
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mdw
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response 14 of 106:
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Dec 8 03:41 UTC 2000 |
Seems doubtful it does any of those. Clearly a bill designed by
puritans.
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goose
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response 15 of 106:
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Dec 8 04:58 UTC 2000 |
But it's a bill no politician will oppose, and few citizens will speak out
against. Mark me down as being quite opposed to it.
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mary
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response 16 of 106:
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Dec 8 05:00 UTC 2000 |
I think most employers would opt to pay a little more so that valued
employees have elective abortion coverage. Abortions are cheaper than
maternity care and the subsequent child care leave. But mostly they'd do
it because women appreciate that benefit, the same reason they offer most
perks.
I'm waiting for the law which states Viagra can't be covered without a
surcharge.
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bru
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response 17 of 106:
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Dec 8 15:45 UTC 2000 |
well, it does promote the health and welfare. Hard to catch any communicable
diseases if you can't touch someone.
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flem
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response 18 of 106:
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Dec 8 16:15 UTC 2000 |
Presumably we should also outlaw shaking hands, then. Not to mention kissing,
riding the bus, and using the bathroom.
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other
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response 19 of 106:
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Dec 8 23:02 UTC 2000 |
Dunno about you, Greg, but I tend not to touch people when I'm in the
bathroom... ;)
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flem
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response 20 of 106:
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Dec 9 22:30 UTC 2000 |
Bite your tongue. Or don't; you might have germs. :)
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ashke
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response 21 of 106:
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Dec 9 23:13 UTC 2000 |
or jewlery in their tongues...
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johnnie
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response 22 of 106:
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Dec 15 13:50 UTC 2000 |
The state House and Senate got together this week and agreed on a final
version of the concealed weapons bill. In addition, they tacked on a
million dollars for the State Police. This makes it an appropriations
bill, and therefore immune from a referendum challenge that could stop
the bill before it takes effect. It can still be overturned at a
later date via ballot issue (which takes about twice as many signatures
as a referendum).
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danr
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response 23 of 106:
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Dec 15 14:06 UTC 2000 |
Michigan legislators are sooooo slimy.
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gull
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response 24 of 106:
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Dec 15 15:57 UTC 2000 |
Not just Michigan legislators.
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