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krj
Canada's Election Mark Unseen   Nov 14 18:29 UTC 2000

An item for discussing Canada's election.  (You know, Canada, that
country to the south of Detroit.) A couple of things I gleaned
from reading the website of The Globe and Mail make it interesting.
First, three parties are contending for national power -- the 
Liberals, the Tories and the Alliance -- with the Parti Quebecois
as a fourth regional party.   Second, the health care system
is a major campaign issue: the Liberals are claiming that the Alliance
wants to move Canada towards a US-style health care system.
 
I was surprised to see that Joe Clark still seems to be the leader 
of the Conservatives.  I would have thought the party would have tossed
him out after they were vaporized in the last election.
(The Conservatives lost so badly that the secessionist Parti Quebecois
became the official opposition.  In pre-election polls, it was reported
that the number of Canadians who believed Elvis was alive was 
greater than the number of Canadians who approved of Joe Clark as 
Prime Minister...)
18 responses total.
remmers
response 1 of 18: Mark Unseen   Nov 14 20:31 UTC 2000

(Actually, part of Canada is south of Detroit.)
senna
response 2 of 18: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 00:30 UTC 2000

It was the election before last, and Joe Clark's position at the head 
of the Tories suggests to most people that this is a "rebuilding 
year."  Both the Conservatives and the New Democrats (a party you left 
out, the ancestors of which were the principle champions of the 
comprehensive health care system) are desperately fighting just to win 
enough seats to gain certification.  Most of those battles are being 
fought in the Maritimes, as the Canadian Alliance (formerly the Reform 
party, now renamed in an attempt to ease some of the stigma that 
associates Reform almost exclusively with Western Canada) fights it out 
with the Bloc Quebecois on regional issues.  Funnily enough, they both 
favor decreasing the government's investment in Health Care, despite 
considerable emnity between the two.  They have different reasons, of 
course.  The Liberals called for the election with a considerable lead, 
but that lead has dwindled considerably.

Joe Clark is mostly just the last option for the Conservatives.  Jean 
Cheret, their nominee last time 'round, defected to the Liberals to 
lead the provincial opposition to the Bloc in Quebec.  He failed.  
senna
response 3 of 18: Mark Unseen   Nov 15 03:37 UTC 2000

I picked this up at CBC's website (www.cbc.ca) under the Federal 
Election column.  I wouldn't necessarily call it the most accurate or 
unbiased summary (particularly concerning the Alliance, which is mildly 
surprising from a man in Calgary).  Still, it gives a bit of an idea.  
You can sort of see where visions diverge and converge with American 
politics.  The Republican-like Canadian Alliance, by the way, is a 
bizarre turn toward the right in Canadian politics.  Typically, views 
that conservative used to be banished from Canadian politics.

Duelling Visions


By Roger Gibbins
University of Calgary

November 13, 2000


Roger Gibbins
Dept. of Political Science
University of Calgary 
As John Lennon asked, imagine . . . . Imagine what Canada would be like 
if you woke up on November 28 with a Canadian Alliance or Liberal 
government, or with a NDP or Progressive Conservative government. 
Simply put, would the election have mattered?

To address this question, we must ask where each of the national 
parties would take the country if they had their druthers. The 
following, therefore, is a very broad-brush sketch of the national 
visions of the competing parties, one that necessarily reduces complex 
political and ideological perspectives to a mere handful of words. 

The logical place to start is with the Liberal Party; for incumbents, 
the past is indeed prologue. The future trajectory for the Liberals 
finds its roots in the legacy of the Trudeau governments, one that Mr. 
Chrétien has warmly embraced.

 The Liberal vision calls for a strong and active national government 
playing a significant role in strengthening the country's social fabric 
and preparing Canadians for the new economy. Stress is placed on 
sharing, on using national programmes to redistribute wealth across 
regions. Peace with provincial governments is valued, but not at the 
cost of a limited federal role in social programs. As the Prime 
Minister puts it, the national government needs a "hammer" in dealing 
with the provinces. Fiscal transfers to the provinces are therefore 
likely to be more conditional than at present; the federal spending 
power would be used to pursue national policy objectives. A Liberal 
government would provide financial support for Canada's artistic and 
research communities. Finally, Quebec would remain a province like the 
others in its constitutional status, but would enjoy greater de facto 
autonomy. There is no Liberal appetite for constitutional or 
parliamentary reform. In short, the Liberal vision for tomorrow is not 
radically different from the Liberal vision of yesterday and today. 

 A Canadian Alliance government would be less active and more limited 
in scope. There would be less interference in provincial affairs, and 
less conditionality for fiscal transfers; the emphasis would be on 
respect for the provinces and the constitutional division of powers. 
While it is unlikely that an Alliance government would dismantle 
immediately the CBC or regional development authorities, the financial 
screws would tighten. Whereas the Liberals see the national government 
playing an active role in strengthening civil society, an Alliance 
government would be more inclined to leave the civil society to its own 
devices. The Alliance approach to Quebec would be based on the twin 
pillars of constitutional respect and modest devolution; if this failed 
to find an audience in Quebec, the Alliance would draw a line in the 
sand at the recognition of Quebec as a distinct society. Finally, the 
Alliance would pursue parliamentary reform and the establishment of 
citizen initiatives.

 The Progressive Conservative national vision falls somewhere between 
that of the Liberals and Alliance. The Conservatives take a more 
flexible stance towards Quebec's place within Canadian federalism, one 
illustrated by their support for the Meech Lake and Charlottetown 
Accords, and their opposition to the Clarity Bill. The Conservatives 
support a greater degree of government intervention in the economic and 
social orders than does Alliance, but also a more cooperative approach 
than the Liberals to federal-provincial relations, with less emphasis 
on the need for a fiscal hammer. Like the Alliance vision, the 
Conservative vision is more federal than is the Liberal vision. 
However, the Conservative leader is a staunch defender of parliamentary 
democracy, and eschews the direct democracy initiatives proposed by the 
Alliance.

 The NDP national vision is the most distinct. In contrast with the 
Alliance, although less so with the Liberal and Conservative visions, 
the NDP asserts a positive role for government. Although not 
indifferent to regional disparities, the NDP's primary focus is on the 
distribution of wealth and opportunities across income groups. The 
emphasis is on preserving and, where possible, expanding universal 
social programs; a prime example is the proposal that universally 
accessible and publicly funded health care be extended to home care. 

As a consequence, the NDP rejects tax cuts or aggressive plans to pay 
down the national debt; surpluses are seen as an opportunity to repair, 
strengthen and extend the nation's social security net. The NDP is 
almost alone in talking about poverty and social justice as pressing 
public policy issues. Their emphasis on universal social programs means 
support for a strong and active national government, similar in most 
respects to the Liberal vision. Again in line with the Liberal vision, 
the NDP vision pays only incidental attention to federalism; the focus 
is on national programmes and the national community. Their social 
democratic vision is designed to appeal to Canadians no matter where 
they live or what language they speak.

 What about the Bloc? A Canadian government led by the Bloc is not a 
possibility. However, a strong Bloc contingent in the House of Commons 
could impact and might even destabilize Canadian government. It would 
pursue what was best for Quebec, and would be indifferent to the rest 
of Canada. On social policy issues, the Bloc would be drawn more to the 
NDP than to the Alliance; on federalism issues, it might find a working 
relationship with either the Alliance or the Tories.

It should be noted at this point that in many areas the partisan 
visions (other than the Bloc's) converge rather than diverge. All 
parties recognize and embrace Canada's growing social diversity. Most 
Canadians would have trouble sorting out the increasing minor 
differences among the Alliance, Conservative and Liberal tax policies; 
only the NDP stands clearly apart. None of the four major parties would 
fundamentally restructure Canada's relationship with the United States, 
NAFTA or the WTO. While there are empathetic differences with respect 
to Aboriginal peoples, most of the policy disputes in this respect will 
be lodged in the courts or with provincial governments.

In bringing this discussion to a close it is important to stress that 
any incoming national government faces very significant constraints in 
trying to impose its national vision. The capacity of the national 
government to act is limited by the federal division of powers; Prime 
Minister Chrétien hit this wall in the early fall when he was unable to 
get the provincial premiers to agree to his version of the health care 
package. An Alliance or NDP government would confront a hostile Senate 
where they would have virtually no representation. The national 
government is also constrained by the courts, and by the international 
environment. Finally, any incoming prime minister must cope with 
inevitable dissention within his or her own ranks, and with the sheer 
inertia of existing programmes, intergovernmental accords, and 
international agreements.

Thus any new government must pick its shots, and settle for incremental 
change. New visions are difficult to impose, just as old visions are 
difficult to set aside. Nevertheless, national visions do provide a 
general sense of direction for the contending parties, and thus provide 
a reasonable guide for voters faced with a barrage of more specific 
policy proposals and disputes.

 
carson
response 4 of 18: Mark Unseen   Nov 23 08:16 UTC 2000

(I caught part of the Prime Ministerial debate on C-Span 2 
yesterday.  it seemed to me to be a 4-on-Jean gang bang.)

(CBC has been predicting a Chretien re-election.  given that 
Clark won't bow out gracefully, I don't see Day winning this time
around.  he's young, though, and he'll be back.)
senna
response 5 of 18: Mark Unseen   Nov 24 08:13 UTC 2000

Day seems so... American.  Republican, really.  The Alliance is really going
in interesting directions.
polygon
response 6 of 18: Mark Unseen   Nov 25 19:44 UTC 2000

I received a piece of Canadian election spam ....

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: 23 Nov 00 2:02:35 PM
From: 4634635@msn.com
Subject: Canadians: Vote To Keep Canada Strong and Free! 


We don't like invading your privacy, but we're scared! Afraid that Canada
is becoming the 51st U.S. state, while the politicians and media say
nothing!

Here's why we're worried: 

- Every day, about five Canadian companies, from high-tech to health-care,
are sold to foreign, mainly U.S. corporations at 65 cents on the dollar.
More than 13,000 businesses lost since the Free Trade Agreement was
signed. Last year was a record year -- double the record set in 1998!

- Under NAFTA, American corporations have greater rights than Canadian
companies even though they are run from the U.S., have more money and
power, and their profits go south instead of remaining here to help our
economy. Not a level playing field!

- Chapter 11 of NAFTA allows any U.S. business to sue our federal,
provincial or municipal governments if the company thinks a law will hurt
its profits or future profits. This could bankrupt us! And it's
undemocratic because our governments are afraid to pass laws that protect
us.

- Our health-care and education systems are being privatized because NAFTA
-- and soon the World Trade Organization -- says they are "open season"!
Do we really want our health care run by U.S. conglomerates? Think about
it.

The Canadian Action Party (CAP) was formed because Canada is headed for
trouble! Our country and our democracy are in danger.

On November 27, we need your vote to keep the True North strong and free!
Please forward this to your family and friends -- because every vote
counts.

Click below to find out more about the critical issues at stake in this
election -- and how the Canadian Action Party is fighting to protect
Canada for future generations! 

http://ca.internations.net/cyber/canadaunited/

<a href="http://ca.internations.net/cyber/canadaunited/">
CLICK HERE</a>

Please note: In ridings where we don't have a candidate, vote anything but
Liberal or Alliance because both will continue to sell-out the country.

O Canada or No Canada? The Choice Is Yours! 
Thank you for your time,

The Hon. Paul Hellyer, Leader, Canadian Action Party 
Authorized by the Official Agent for the Canadian Action Party 
senna
response 7 of 18: Mark Unseen   Nov 25 20:55 UTC 2000

The CBC will probably show a promotional video from them soon.  Haven't heard
of them, though.

I want to see that woman from the Marxist-Leninist party again.
albaugh
response 8 of 18: Mark Unseen   Nov 26 05:11 UTC 2000

> True North strong and free!

Right out of "Oh Canada".
senna
response 9 of 18: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 04:53 UTC 2000

Well it's judgement day tomorrow... today.. it's close to midnight.  Monday.
bdh3
response 10 of 18: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 08:58 UTC 2000

Do they have a president?
senna
response 11 of 18: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 13:22 UTC 2000

Never have before.  Why start now?  
albaugh
response 12 of 18: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 17:58 UTC 2000

There is no precedent for them having a president...
jerryr
response 13 of 18: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 18:16 UTC 2000

canadia for the canadians!
other
response 14 of 18: Mark Unseen   Nov 28 04:07 UTC 2000

http://downloads.mp3.com/
AAIAQsmhCQBBZKkzNQGAwARub3JtUAQAAABSW5EAAFEBAAAAUwEAAABUAQAAAENaeyI6Sww_5
9h0cY33T1yj8lOMBA--/i_am_canadian.mp3

There's actually a legitimate URL in that mess above.  You just have to 
string it together.  The humour resulting justifies the effort.

Compliments of "Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie."
mcnally
response 15 of 18: Mark Unseen   Nov 28 05:23 UTC 2000

  I'd guess it's either the Molson ad or a parody of the Molson ad..
zebera
response 16 of 18: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 06:52 UTC 2000

the funny thing is, living in montreal as I do, I can say that canadians 
seemed to care more about the american elections than their own.  Many 
here at McGill didn't even know who was running in their riding.  I find 
it kinda sad.  They also had one of the lowest voter turnouts ever for 
the country (at sixty-something percent).

Incedentally, the Parti Quebecois no longer exists, the quebec party is 
now called "Bloc Quebecois" it was started just a few years ago and is 
not linked to Rene Leveque's seperatism from the 70's.
senna
response 17 of 18: Mark Unseen   Dec 5 22:25 UTC 2000

Those would be extremely high turnouts in the States, interestingly enough.
snowth
response 18 of 18: Mark Unseen   Dec 6 19:47 UTC 2000

(Please ignore my excitement....)

                       ZEBERA!!!!!!!
<snowth pounces to huggle zebera>

(Okay. You can all return to your regularly sceduled programing now.)
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