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bru
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Verdict is in, Hacker convicted.
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Nov 1 02:34 UTC 2000 |
The hacker charged with hacking into the M-net system reached an agreement
with the agreement today. He will recieve a years probation, not get on the
internet for the period of the probation, and will write an apology and post
it on the internet hacker sites.
Does anyone see this as painting a big bullseye on the Arbornet system?
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janc
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response 1 of 23:
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Nov 1 03:27 UTC 2000 |
An agreement with the agreement?
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richard
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response 2 of 23:
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Nov 1 03:41 UTC 2000 |
and does anyone REALLY believe he won't geton the internet for an entire
year? particularly when he still has his computer and nobody will be
there to monitor him.
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raven
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response 3 of 23:
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Nov 1 07:08 UTC 2000 |
Richard you must have forgotten to get in the line where brains are
passed out, surely they will use a packet sniffer or some other way
to check up on him, like ISP records.
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mdw
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response 4 of 23:
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Nov 1 08:59 UTC 2000 |
More than likely they'll just pull his modem card & visit him
periodically. Presumably, a lot will depend on the judgement of his
probation officer, but I rather suspect a packet sniffer (on what?) is
real unlikely.
So far as arbornet goes, I doubt it will make much difference.
It'll be fascinating to hear how he manages to post his apology without
getting on the internet.
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bru
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response 5 of 23:
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Nov 1 12:48 UTC 2000 |
I would imagine the court will allow him access to post the apology. But my
fear is that if he goes to the site and mentions arbornet, that we can expect
a swarm of hackers coming in and seeing if they are better than he at crashing
the system. Most hackers I have met are generally unforgiving to those who
persecute one of their own.
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brighn
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response 6 of 23:
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Nov 1 18:16 UTC 2000 |
Like Jan, I'm glad he agrees with the agreement with which he agrees.
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scg
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response 7 of 23:
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Nov 1 18:46 UTC 2000 |
Most of the "hackers" I've encountered aren't fearless people taking on the
law enforcement establishment, but rather people who think they can be cool
breaking things in a way that they won't be caught. It's somewhat amazing
watching such people flee once they realize somebody is watching them. I'm
not sure about the rationalle the Ann Arbor News uses saying that getting
caught and having to apologize will be the ultimate humiliation, but I'm
guessing that if word gets around that somebody who attacked M-Net was not
only caught but prosecuted, a lot of these kids will get scared and not touch
it.
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gull
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response 8 of 23:
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Nov 1 20:31 UTC 2000 |
Yeah. Hackers aren't some mafia group that punishes those who oppose them.
They're just a bunch of individual bored kids with nothing better to do.
What *will* cause hackers to flock to your site is if, directly or
indirectly, you present it as being unusually secure. Then it becomes a
challenge. Most network security companies log thousands of hack attempts a
day.
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flem
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response 9 of 23:
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Nov 1 21:24 UTC 2000 |
I imagine if the Slashdot article didn't cause them to get swarmed with
crackers, this won't either.
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richard
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response 10 of 23:
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Nov 1 22:21 UTC 2000 |
if they use a packet sniffer, he can always just use another box.
change his phone line. or just go to the public library or to a
friend's house or something.
Asking a known hacker to stay off the 'net for a year, is like asking
an alcoholic to quit drinking cold turkey for a year. Or sentencing a
heavy smoker to just righ then and there quit smoking for a year. You
cant usually just stop such complusive habits.
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brighn
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Nov 1 22:35 UTC 2000 |
Yep, and the thing with addicts is, they're notoriously stupid. Look at that
teacher, accused of statuatory rape for getting pregnant by a student, she's
out less than a week on parole and she's caught with the boy in her car.
If he really can't handle not hacking, and he does it again, he'll get caught,
and if he's still on probation, well, he won't be on probation anymore. One
of the points of probation is that the court feels taht the wrongdoer really
can avoid future wrongdoing. If they screw up, it's a one-way to the hoosegow.
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jp2
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response 12 of 23:
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Nov 2 03:44 UTC 2000 |
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jazz
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response 13 of 23:
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Nov 2 14:47 UTC 2000 |
Ouch. Sorry for Arbornet that they didn't use this case as an example.
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nephi
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response 14 of 23:
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Nov 13 03:55 UTC 2000 |
I'm glad this boy didn't see any jail time for his vandalization. I
would, however, have preferred if he was required to do community
service for a number of hours greater than or equal to the sum of hours
required to rebuild M-net. I think that it would have helped him to
learn the value of the time he wasted, and it might change the direction
of his life for the better. In addition, it might be interesting if
they found some sort of mentor for him, who could help him to redirect
his abilities toward something more socially redeeming.
I'm not sure how I feel about him being grounded from the Internet. In
addition to being difficult to enforce, it smells of the sort of
vengeance that may breed further ill-will and may lead to repeat
offences. I also think that he may be unduly held back from what could
be a promising technical career once he graduates from high school. On
the plus side, it should help to keep him from bragging to his online
buddies about the vandalism, were he so disposed . . .
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tehc2k
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Dec 17 04:46 UTC 2000 |
hackers are not just people bored with nothing to do and are not always alone
when hacking either usually they are working with others over the internet
like the latest hackings ive seen like yahoo hotmail and a few others were
done by multiple groups tapping make thousands of connections through multiple
pcs rendering the servers useless, but thats not the only waay they hack in
groups but the sharing of information wether through bragging to freinds and
colleges but through help sites i had a friend for instance that works on
mainframes that i would talk to through irc aand unknownly he ended up giving
me alot of information about their routers and there system configurations
all through bragging about what he does, right know i am running a compaq
netellegent 8500 router that does not comply w/ fcc regulations and allows
me to absorb att mediaones node thaat i connect through into my personal
network along with the other customers that are connected to that node.
anyways i have to say is we work in groups wether you see it or not where i
work is full of lo level hackers and you each one with there own skill but
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gelinas
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response 16 of 23:
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Dec 17 04:55 UTC 2000 |
Why do you think FCC regulations prohibit packet-sniffing on a network?
Most of us know that this is a real possibility with cable modems.
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scg
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response 17 of 23:
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Dec 17 07:29 UTC 2000 |
Wow, #15 contained the longest sentence I've read in a while.
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carson
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response 18 of 23:
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Dec 17 07:36 UTC 2000 |
(I don't think it all fit in one packet, either.)
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wh
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response 19 of 23:
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Dec 17 13:56 UTC 2000 |
Ain't there no periods on that man's keyboard?? Or maybe they key
doesn't work. The last time I saw that many lines with no periods
was someone whose name started with "D"...Dickens...no, that's
not it...Dostoevsky, that was it. A sentence went on for more than
a page. But there were commas in it. The above item had no punctuation
at all so it must not be the keys that are missing.
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other
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response 20 of 23:
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Dec 18 03:58 UTC 2000 |
Faulkner...
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mcnally
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response 21 of 23:
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Dec 18 06:19 UTC 2000 |
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mcnally
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response 22 of 23:
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Dec 18 06:21 UTC 2000 |
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mcnally
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response 23 of 23:
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Dec 18 06:21 UTC 2000 |
..or perhaps Joyce, but without the talent.
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