Clinton's best buddy deals up the dirty stuff.

Oct 21 10:12 UTC 2000

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CNN AIRS ALLEGATION: BUSH INVOLVED IN ABORTION 

All-news channel CNN on Friday aired allegations that Republican
presidential
hopeful George W. Bush was involved in an abortion in the 1970's. 

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"We've found out in the early 1970s Bush was involved in an abortion in
Texas,"
HUSTLER publisher Larry Flynt reported on CNN. 

Flynt did not offer specifics.

CNN stunned the jounalistic community by airing the claims without
evidence. 

The Bush campaign immediately blasted the network.

"CNN's standards have hit a new low, if that is even possible!" slammed
one senior
Bush source from Austin. "It appears the liberal media is becoming
desperate as
Election Day nears." 

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In the 1970s - 30 years ago or so - I remember it as if it were
yesterday. My girlfriend at the time and I, and her mother, and her
older sister headed up to Grand Rapids. (To this day and then a bastion
of x-tian conservatism and the only place at the time where an abortion
could be legally and medically safely found.)  I remember a tasteless
meal at McD's afterwards.  I remember the severly almost shouted about
moral messages from the 'health care workers' who instructed me on the
details and mechanics of the various and current methods of 'birth
control' -I knew this stuff already.  My then girlfriend at the time who
gets upset at them picking on me explains that I am not the sperm doner
of the then medical proceedure and things get even more confusable.

But I could have been. back then, in the 1970s. I never paid for an
abortion on account her momma wrote a check but I coulda, and I woulda
(she had big tits and a tight pussy) (she was a 'cheerleader' and
really fine.) 

I remember another 'cheerleader' where I said one time after 'social
sciance class' - I said 'gimme some gooch' and she replied 'where' and
we couldn't find a quiet place for 'secular morality communion' other
than the closet off the 'teachers lounge'.  Lust uber alles.

Which brings me back to Slick Willy's co-religionist, Larry Flynt.
(Who has performed his pubic duty by digging up the aformentioned
bush dirt if true.)  In my case the headline if I were stupid enough to
run for pubic office would be that my girlfriend's momma paid cash for
an abortion even though I am rather of the opposed sort.

Well guess what.

response 2 of 46:

Oct 21 12:13 UTC 2000

unless he forced that woman to have an abortion i don't see anyone getting
upset about this except the extreme fringes of the republican right.

response 4 of 46:

Oct 22 02:14 UTC 2000

This is exactly aas relevant as the cocaine allegations. It's true that what
Bush did more than five or so years ago is largely irrelavant to anything
today, how Bush and his handlers handle the criticism TODAY reflect his
appropriateness fo the position he desires. 

response 6 of 46:

Oct 22 05:56 UTC 2000

Actually, I'd be happy if he'd once been prochoice. More hope for him ;}

Any pagans in the audience should be aware that gWB is on very recent record
saying that wicca isn't a religion and doesn't deserve 1st Amendment
protection. This seems as good aplace as any to mention that. =}

response 8 of 46:

Oct 23 01:38 UTC 2000

RE#4 -- There is a difference, the abortion was a legal procedure then as now,
and cocaine has been illegal for a long time.

response 10 of 46:

Oct 23 04:19 UTC 2000

I think the people who would care about GWB's possible use of abortion
consider the morality of the issue to far surpass the legality in importance.
If politics hold true, they'll overlook this as much as the dems overlooked
Bill's issues.  It's only a problem to them if they dont' like the person
whose problem it is. :)

response 12 of 46:

Oct 23 16:10 UTC 2000

Yeah. Bill's inability to preserve the sanctity of heterosexual monogamy in
practice obviously didn't affect his commitment to preserving the sanctity
of heterosexual monogamy in law.

response 14 of 46:

Oct 24 14:44 UTC 2000

Bush did himself no favors when he gave up his honest, albeit transparent,
statements that the question of whether he had ever used cocaine was not
relevant. He then entered into a series of strange public statements
where, although not expressly admitting to the use of cocaine, kept setting
various dates after which he expressly stated that he had not used cocaine.
It's similar to Clinton on the marijuana question, but a bit worse. At least
Clinton eventually conceded the truth. Bush keeps running from it.

Now he faces a similar question, with the possibility that he was somehow
involved in an abortion. If the allegation is false, he should flatly deny
it. If it is true, he should express that he is not going to dignify the
inquiry with a response. He should not, however, state, "I have not
assisted anybody in getting an abortion for at least twenty-five years."

Whether or not his past cocaine use, alcohol abuse, or alleged participation
in an abortion some thirty years ago, are deemed relevant to his present
fitness as a presidential candidate, how he responds to those allegations
is relevant. He blew the answer to the cocaine question (no pun intended),
but gave a decent answer on the alcohol abuse question (he stopped drinking
when it started to interfere with his family life). Let's see how he handles
this one.

response 16 of 46:

Oct 24 16:52 UTC 2000

Yes, but the problems is that are we such witch hunters that we encourage
freedom and exploration in everyone but elected officials?  If he did coke,
or if clinton did pot, who cares?  I'm assuming that this abortion issue is
nothing more than to get some VERY right people offended by his 'lack of
conviction'.  Puhleeze.  I want a human in office.  Not a programmed robot
who knows how to sweet talk, but never accomplish anything

response 18 of 46:

Oct 24 17:52 UTC 2000

Technically, the President isn't a lawmaker. He's a policeman. That's his job,
more than anything else, and we expect policemen (including judges)  to be
role models.

Why does it matter if GWB has a lackadaisical attitude towards his own drug
use? Because he's throwing other people in jail for life for the  same
behavior. Quite right that it's irrelevant if he did coke long before even
Daddy was in the White House. What's relevant is that he refuses to own up,
say, "O.k., I did it, it was shameful behavior, I'm lucky that I didn't get
arrested, it was a terrible mistake, but it's behind me now." 

And yes, it's more about morality than legality. Clinton's dalliance with
Lewinsky didn't disturb me until he then championed the Defence of Marriage
Act to preserve the sanctity of marriage... which he himself had been
impeached for not preserving. *IF* Clinton had come forth and said, "Yes, I
fooled around with Monica, maybe things got sexual, it was inappropriate, yada
yada" from the get go, there'd've been shock waves, but at least he'd still
have some of the respect that he'd had. It's that he lied about it, then went
on to pretend to be a major force in the "sanctity of marriage" that truly
disgusts me.

response 20 of 46:

Oct 24 20:01 UTC 2000

Re #18: Clinton was not impeached for "not preserving"...."the sanctity of
marriage". 

For that matter, marriage doesn't have "sanctity". It is a contract, and
like any other contract involves ethical issues. 

response 22 of 46:

Oct 24 21:03 UTC 2000

Re #18: I actually agree with your assessment.  GWB's enforcement of those
laws while failing to own up to his own experimentation makes him a
hypocrite.

response 24 of 46:

Oct 25 04:25 UTC 2000

Re #21: the "gummint" says marriage has sanctity? Where? That's only
a religious term. Where does the "gummint" specifically say that marriage
has "religious value"?

Clinton only acted against some traditional ethical concepts of marriage.
I don't recall Starr going on about "sanctity". The relation between
a man and a woman is their business, and others should butt out, so long
as no crimes are committed.