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Grex > Agora35 > #102: Michigan Senate Straw vote (very scientific) | |
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brighn
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Michigan Senate Straw vote (very scientific)
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Oct 20 19:03 UTC 2000 |
Here's a vote just for the Michiganders (aw, the rest of you can vote too):
Stabenow or Abraham (or other) for Senate? Feel free to discuss, and feel free
to change your vote if you want. And unlike the Real Thing, you can split your
vote and have right in candidates.
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brighn
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response 1 of 62:
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Oct 20 19:03 UTC 2000 |
Stabenow. Unfortunately. Even more than with the Presidential election, this
is the lesser of two evils.
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carson
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response 2 of 62:
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Oct 20 20:25 UTC 2000 |
(Abraham.)
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jep
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response 3 of 62:
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Oct 20 20:57 UTC 2000 |
Abraham.
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arabella
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response 4 of 62:
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Oct 20 21:21 UTC 2000 |
Stabenow
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brighn
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response 5 of 62:
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Oct 20 21:37 UTC 2000 |
(carson, have you always been this Republican? I hadn't noticed.)
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krj
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response 6 of 62:
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Oct 20 22:06 UTC 2000 |
Stabenow.
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polygon
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response 7 of 62:
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Oct 20 22:06 UTC 2000 |
Stabenow.
(I have known both of the candidates for years -- I went to high school
with Spence, and I knew Debbie since before she was elected county
commissioner in 1974.)
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scott
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response 8 of 62:
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Oct 20 22:30 UTC 2000 |
Stabenow.
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carson
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response 9 of 62:
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Oct 20 22:57 UTC 2000 |
resp:5 (yes.)
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brighn
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response 10 of 62:
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Oct 20 22:59 UTC 2000 |
(fascinating. learn something every day. =} )
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albaugh
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response 11 of 62:
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Oct 21 00:11 UTC 2000 |
Abraham
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senna
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response 12 of 62:
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Oct 21 01:21 UTC 2000 |
Shakey Jake.
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scg
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response 13 of 62:
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Oct 21 01:40 UTC 2000 |
I like what I've seen of Abraham's positions on immigration, and I'd hate to
lose that. I don't think I agree with him on much else, though. I don't know
much about Stabenows positions. If I were voting in Michigan, I would
probably vote for Stabenow because I tend to default towards democrats on
races I don't know much about, but maybe if I were voting in Michigan I would
have made an effort to find out more.
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jerryr
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response 14 of 62:
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Oct 21 12:10 UTC 2000 |
stabenow
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remmers
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response 15 of 62:
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Oct 21 13:13 UTC 2000 |
Stabenow.
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gjharb
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response 16 of 62:
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Oct 21 15:21 UTC 2000 |
Stabenow.
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bru
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response 17 of 62:
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Oct 21 16:36 UTC 2000 |
Abraham, but I wish there was another choice. Any libertarians running here?
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danr
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response 18 of 62:
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Oct 21 21:11 UTC 2000 |
Stabenow.
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mcnally
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response 19 of 62:
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Oct 21 21:35 UTC 2000 |
re #13: What is it you like about Abraham's immigration positions?
I've been very put off by his support for deeply flawed H1-B programs
which are very unbalanced in favor of employers, to the detriment of
foreign visa holders and American workers alike..
I've been meaning to enter an item about H1-B visas, maybe I'll use this
as an excuse.
(basically my position is that I'm overjoyed when bright, well-educated
people from around the world want to move to America to fill jobs we're
having trouble filling, but that current H1-B programs are structured so
the employers can underpay foreign workers by as much as 20% and have so
much leverage over them that they can take advantage of them in other ways,
which gives the employers strong incentives to reject qualified American
candidates even when they can be found and allows many employers to treat
their visa-holders very badly.)
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gull
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response 20 of 62:
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Oct 22 00:21 UTC 2000 |
RE #19: Well, what do you expect? Who do you think writes the laws?
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mcnally
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response 21 of 62:
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Oct 22 00:54 UTC 2000 |
Trust me, I understand how lobbying on this issue has affected the laws
that get written (and also enforcement of the provisions of the H1-B
laws which are *supposed* to guarantee that employers pay the foreign
workers prevailing wages) but what's your point? That I'm supposed to
throw up my hands and say: "It doesn't matter who I vote for, the
corporations will write the laws in any event?" I'm not prepared to do
that.
I don't live in Michigan any longer, but if I did I'd certainly be taking
Senator Abraham's H1-B policy into consideration when making up my mind
who to vote for. His position on the Senate committee which controls
immigration makes his voice on that issue particularly powerful and I am
convinced that his immigration positions have not been formed with the
best interests of his constituents in mind.
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krj
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response 22 of 62:
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Oct 22 02:05 UTC 2000 |
(let's start a new item and save the poll items for polling.
Signed, the committee for the preservation of Grex poll items.
Thank you for your support!)
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brighn
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response 23 of 62:
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Oct 22 02:10 UTC 2000 |
(ken, I specifically said in #0 that I welcomed discussion here. And it's my
item, dammit. ;} )
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brighn
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response 24 of 62:
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Oct 22 02:22 UTC 2000 |
Current count:
Stabenow: me, arabella, krj, polygon, scott, scg, jerryr, remmers, gjharb,
danr (10)
Abraham: (carson), jep, albagh, bru (4)
Shakey Jake: senna (1)
lots of comments, no candidate: mcnally (1) ;}
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