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Item 14: Algebra, Geometry, Calculus, Trig, all that good stuff

Entered by toking on Mon Jun 30 14:50:14 1997:

105 new of 132 responses total.


#28 of 132 by anderyn on Sun Jul 6 21:20:32 1997:

Hhhhm. A *lot* of the books we review are reissues of books published
thirty years ago, and a lot more are revisions of books which are
anywhere from twenty to ten years old.  OF course, there are books
which come out every year or tow with new revisions, but that's 
uncommon (we usually get every %$!@ book that isn't too basic, so
I see a lot of math textbooks)...


#29 of 132 by i on Tue Jul 8 01:45:10 1997:

Re: #27
I went through (mainly theoretical) math from about '85 to '89.  Sub-senior
level texts certainly turned over faster, even in math.  Computer-oriented
math texts seemed to be replaced by a new generation about every 10 weeks 
for a while...


#30 of 132 by tsty on Tue Jul 8 09:02:46 1997:

hells bells, newtonian mechanics hasn't changed in 300 years! amazing,
it's still 'new' to students. 
  
i did get a teacher to try teaching  math  as a language, translatable
to/from english. about a year later, she said she was ahving much
better success with er students as a result. i smiled.


#31 of 132 by aruba on Tue Jul 8 17:16:29 1997:

Re #30:  That's a great idea, teaching people to translate between math and
English.  I saw a low of college freshmen who had no clue how to do that.

Doesn't anyone have a problem?  I suppose I could dig some out, but most of
my good ones have been used up in previous math items.


#32 of 132 by aruba on Thu Jul 10 02:13:11 1997:

Ok, all I have at present are logic problems, but here goes.  I'll go through 
a chapter in Raymond Smullyan's book "The Lady or the Tiger?", which has a lot
of good stuff in it.

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Many of you are familiar with Frank Stockton's story "The Lady or the Tiger?", 
in which the prisoner must choose between two rooms, one of which contains a 
lady and the other a tiger.  If he chooses the former, he marries the lady; if 
he chooses the latter, he (probably) gets eaten by the tiger.

The king of a certain land had also read the story, and it gave him an idea.  
"Just the perfect way to try my prisoners!" he said one day to his minister.  
"Only, I won't leave it to chance; I'll have signs on the doors of the rooms, 
and in each case I'll tell the prisoner certain facts about the signs.  If the 
prisoner is clever and can reason logically, he'll save his life - and win a 
nice bride to boot!"

"Excellent idea!" said the minister.

THE TRIALS OF THE FIRST DAY

On the first day, there were three trials.  In all three, the king explained 
to the prisoner that each of the two rooms contained either a lady or a tiger, 
but it could be that there were tigers in both rooms, or ladies in both rooms, 
or then again, maybe one room contained a lady and the other room a tiger.

The First Trial

   "Suppose both rooms contain tigers," asked the prisoner.  "What do I do 
then?"
   "That's your hard luck!" replied the king.
   "Suppose both rooms contain ladies?" asked the prisoner.
   "Then, obviously, that's your good luck," replied the king.  "Surely you 
could have guessed the answer to that!"
   "Well, suppose one room contains a lady and the other a tiger, what happens 
then?" asked the prisoner.
   "In that case, it makes quite a difference which room you choose, doesn't 
it?"
   "How do I know which room to choose?" asked the prisoner.
   The king pointed to the signs on the doors of the rooms:


         I                           II
IN THIS ROOM THERE          IN ONE OF THESE ROOMS
IS A LADY, AND IN           THERE IS A LADY, AND
  THE OTHER ROOM            IN ONE OF THESE ROOMS
 THERE IS A TIGER             THERE IS A TIGER

   "Is it true, what the signs say?" asked the prisoner.
   "One of them is true," replied the king, "but the other one is false."
   If you were the prisoner, which door would you open (assuming, of course, 
that you preferred the lady to the tiger)?

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(Of course I expect a full explanation of your answer!)


#33 of 132 by remmers on Thu Jul 10 02:18:26 1997:

Well, I => II, so if I were true, so would II. Hence if one of
them is true and the other false, I must be the false one. So
II must have the lady, and I'd go with that.


#34 of 132 by mcnally on Thu Jul 10 05:55:59 1997:

  John's logic is hard to argue with..  Can we proceed to the second day's
test?


#35 of 132 by aruba on Thu Jul 10 07:23:36 1997:

Very nice, John.

The Second Trial

And so, the first prisoner saved his life and made off with the lady.  The
signs on the doors were then changed, and new occupants of the rooms were
selected accordingly.  This time the signs read as follows:

         I                     II
AT LEAST ONE OF THESE     A TIGER IS IN
ROOMS CONTAINS A LADY     THE OTHER ROOM

   "Are the statements on the signs true?" asked the second prisoner.
   "They are either both true or both false", replied the king.
   Which room should the prisoner pick?


#36 of 132 by toking on Thu Jul 10 15:06:11 1997:

II    cause if I is true then their is a lady in one room and if I is
true the II is also true

if I is false then both rooms must contain a tiger and if I is false
then II is also false, meaning that I doesn't have a tiger in it, which
would be impossible, because I being false says so.


#37 of 132 by aruba on Thu Jul 10 15:31:38 1997:

Right:
   Both false => (I) both rooms contain tigers and (II) room I does not
contain a tiger, two statements which are clearly in conflict.  So they can't
both be false, which means (according to the king) they must both be true.
   Both true => (I) either there is a lady in room I or there is a lady in
room II, and (II) there is not a lady in room I.  So there must be a lady in
room II.


#38 of 132 by aruba on Thu Jul 10 15:41:03 1997:

The Third Trial

In this trial, the king explained that, again, the signs were either both true
or both false.  Here are the signs:

          I                       II
 EITHER A TIGER IS IN        A LADY IS IN
THIS ROOM OR A LADY IS      THE OTHER ROOM
  IN THE OTHER ROOM

   Does the first room contain a lady or a tiger?  What about the other
room?


#39 of 132 by aruba on Thu Jul 10 15:47:39 1997:

BTW the symbol "=>" that remmers used in #33 and I used in #37 means
"implies".  So "A => B" can be read "A implies B", or in other words,
"If A is true then B must be true as well".


#40 of 132 by aruba on Thu Jul 10 16:23:51 1997:

Here's some more notation, just so we're all talking the same language:

A & B   means "A is true and B is true"
A | B   means "either A is true or B is true (or both are true)"
!A      means "A is false"
A <=> B means "A implies B and B implies A", which is the same as saying
              "A is true if and only if B is true"
L(a)    means "there is a lady in room a"
T(a)    means "there is a tiger in room a"


#41 of 132 by drew on Thu Jul 10 23:42:18 1997:

I am assuming either...or to mean exclusive-or (XOR).

If room I has a cat, then II is false. In that case, if there were a lady
in room II, then the either/or statement (TRUE XOR TRUE) would evaluate FALSE.

If room I has a lady, then II is true. In order for I to evaluate TRUE, then,
there must also be a lady in room II. (Kitty_in_I XOR Lady_in_II == 
FALSE XOR TRUE  ==  TRUE).

So they're either both chicks or both cats, and it makes no difference which
door you pick.


#42 of 132 by nsiddall on Fri Jul 11 05:53:04 1997:

Both signs can't be false.  For sign I to be false there must be a
lady in room I and a tiger in in room II.  In that case sign II must be true.
Since they cannot both be false, they must be true.  If sign II is true, the
first part of sign I cannot be true.  Therefore the truth of sign I must be
fulfilled by the second part, meaning there is a lady in room II.  Guaranteed
ladies in both rooms.


#43 of 132 by aruba on Fri Jul 11 06:01:51 1997:

You should assume that "either A or B" is an *inclusive-or* - that is,
"either A or B" means "either A is true or B is true or both are true."
(That's the way mathematicians and logicians use the word "or", as a rule,
and that's definitely the way Smullyan means it here.  (I can tell from his
solution.))

Care to have another go, drew?


#44 of 132 by aruba on Fri Jul 11 06:13:40 1997:

Nathaniel slipped in, and is quite correct.  Which means we should move on
to...

THE SECOND DAY

   "Yesterday was a fiasco," said the king to his minister.  "All three
prisoners solved their puzzles!  Well, we have five trials coming up
today, and I think I'll make them a little tougher." 
   "Excellent idea!" said the minister.
   Well, in each of the tirals of this day, the king explained that in the
lefthand room (Room I), if a lady is in it, then the sign on the door is
true, but if a tiger is in it, the sign is false.  In the righthand room
(Room II), the situation is the opposite: a lady in the room means the
sign on the door is false, and a tiger in the room means the sign is true.
Again, it is possible that both rooms contain ladies or both rooms contain
tigers, or that one room contains a lady and the other a tiger.

THE FOURTH TRIAL

After the king explained the above rules to the prisoner, he pointed to
the two signs:


      I                      II
  BOTH ROOMS             BOTH ROOMS
CONTAIN LADIES         CONTAIN LADIES

Which room should the prisoner pick?


#45 of 132 by remmers on Fri Jul 11 13:24:30 1997:

If room (II) contained a tiger, then by the king's condition,
sign (II) would be true and room (II) would contain a lady, a
contradiction. Hence room (II) cannot contain a tiger and so
must contain a lady. The prisoner should pick room (II).


#46 of 132 by aruba on Fri Jul 11 18:44:35 1997:

Quite right.  (And room I must contain a tiger.)  I'll post the next one
tonight.


#47 of 132 by aruba on Sat Jul 12 05:29:21 1997:

The Fifth Trial

The same rules apply, and here are the signs:

        I                      II
AT LEAST ONE ROOM        THE OTHER ROOM
 CONTAINS A LADY         CONTAINS A LADY


#48 of 132 by srw on Sat Jul 12 07:26:32 1997:

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#49 of 132 by srw on Sat Jul 12 07:28:12 1997:

resp:48 is my solution. I hid it so others could have a go at it .


#50 of 132 by mcnally on Sat Jul 12 17:39:15 1997:

  Room I must contain a lady and room II a tiger.  Let's begin with 
  the statement on door I.  In order for it to be true (and for there
  to be at least one lady) there must be a lady behind door I.  If
  the statement is not true then there is a tiger behind both doors
  (for the statement to be false) but this is not possible because
  if a tiger is behind door II then the statement on door II must be
  true, a condition which is not satisfied if there's a tiger behind
  door I..


#51 of 132 by srw on Sat Jul 12 19:38:03 1997:

same conclusion arrived at slightly differently.


#52 of 132 by aruba on Sun Jul 13 17:27:14 1997:

Good solutions, Steve and Mike.

The Sixth Trial

The king was particularly fond of this puzzle, and the next one too.  Here
are the signs:

          I                     II
IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE    THERE IS A LADY
 WHICH ROOM YOU PICK     IN THE OTHER ROOM

What should the prisoner do?


#53 of 132 by aruba on Sun Jul 13 17:47:18 1997:

(Note that the rules in #44 still apply, through the 8th trial.)


#54 of 132 by mcnally on Sun Jul 13 18:26:22 1997:

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#55 of 132 by mcnally on Sun Jul 13 18:29:29 1997:

  solution scribbled in deference to Steve's precedence of # 49


#56 of 132 by drew on Sun Jul 13 21:38:05 1997:

Okay, here goes. From #44:
        if L(I) then sign(I)
        if T(I) then not sign(I)
        if L(II) then not sign(II)
        if T(II) then sign(II)

sign(I) requires L(I) and L(II), and L(II) in turn requires NOT sign(II) and
consequently  (sign(I) AND NOT sign(I)). Contradiction.

Therefore, NOT sign(I). This means it *does* make a difference!
Since sign(I), T(I) leading to NOT sign(II) ==> L(II).

Room I has the cat; room II has the chick.


#57 of 132 by aruba on Sun Jul 13 21:58:07 1997:

More good solutions, Mike and Drew.

The Seventh Trial

Here are the signs:

       I                   II
 IT DOES MAKE A      YOU ARE BETTER
DIFFERENCE WHICH    OFF CHOOSING THE
 ROOM YOU PICK         OTHER ROOM

What should the prisoner do?


#58 of 132 by mcnally on Mon Jul 14 17:00:06 1997:

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#59 of 132 by aruba on Mon Jul 14 19:22:25 1997:

How about a little more explanation, Mike?  And don't worry, they get harder -
we're just warming up.


#60 of 132 by richard on Mon Jul 14 20:59:13 1997:

This item is far andaway the frontrunner for
geekiest grex item of the year.  I hated alegrbra...
Geometry was interesting though...I like proving


#61 of 132 by suzie on Mon Jul 14 21:47:23 1997:

Ooooh, I hate algebra too!  I'm so *stoo* pid!  Richard you must be my kind
of guy!


#62 of 132 by srw on Tue Jul 15 05:15:15 1997:

L(I) => !(L(I) = L(II))    therefore  L(I) => T(II)
T(I) =>  (T(I) = T(II))    therefore  T(I) => T(II)

So we can conclude T(II) without even looking at sign II.

T(II) => L(I) so pick room I.


#63 of 132 by mcnally on Tue Jul 15 06:01:32 1997:

  My reasoning was essentially the same as Steve's though less
  formally expressed.  With sign I reading as it does there's
  no reason to open door II -- either you get a lady behind door
  I or you get a tiger behind both doors but never a lady behind
  door II.  Luckily, for sign II to satisfy the conditions the only
  possible setup is a lady behind door I and a tiger behind door II.


#64 of 132 by aruba on Tue Jul 15 15:12:30 1997:

Very nice, gentlemen - on to

The Eighth Trial

   "There are no signs above the doors!" exclaimed the prisoner.
   "Quite true," said the king.  "The signs were just made, and I haven't
had time to put them up yet."
   "Then how do you expect me to choose?" demanded the prisoner.
   "Well, here are the signs," replied the king.

                     THIS ROOM
                     CONTAINS
                      A TIGER


                     BOTH ROOMS
                      CONTAIN
                       TIGERS

   "That's all well and good," said the prisoner anxiously, "but which
sign goes on which door?"
   The king thought awhile.  "I needn't tell you," he said.  "You can
solve this problem without that information."
   "Only remember, of course," he added, "that a lady in the lefthand room
means the sign which should be on that door is true and a tiger in it
means the sign should be false, and that the reverse is true for the
righthand room."
   What is the solution?


#65 of 132 by valerie on Tue Jul 15 15:50:54 1997:

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#66 of 132 by aruba on Wed Jul 16 19:20:44 1997:

I'm afraid that's not right.  (But Valerie probably didn't want to marry the
lady anyway.  However, since she's allergic to cats, the tiger wouldn't be
any better, I don't think.)  Statements 2 and 5 can be taken farther, and
statement 8 is incorrect.


#67 of 132 by valerie on Thu Jul 17 08:11:22 1997:

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#68 of 132 by drew on Thu Jul 17 15:58:26 1997:

Here we go again.

if sign(I)  then L(I)  else T(I).
if sign(II) then T(II) else L(II).

"This room contains a tiger" cannot go on door I, because this would
establish

(sign(I) AND T(I)) OR ( (NOT sign(I)) AND L(I))

which evaluates as FALSE. So this sign goes on the other door.

"Both rooms..." then goes on door I, and it can't be true, because
it would put a kitty in room I as well as II, violating the
"if sign(I) then L(I)" clause. So NOT sign(I), and the prisoner
doesn't have to end up as cat food.

However, since NOT sign(I), T(I). But fortunately, sign(II) isn't
true either which leads to L(II).


#69 of 132 by aruba on Thu Jul 17 17:45:13 1997:

Looks good, Drew, except that you need to invoke "process of elimination"
in the final sentence to draw the final conclusion.  As in: 

The fact that sign(I) is false implies both
        1) There is a tiger in Room I, and
        2) One of the rooms does not contain a tiger.
By process of elimination, Room II must contain a lady.  (Sign(II) doesn't
help you at all.)

Ok, then, it's on to

THE THIRD DAY

   "Confound it!" said the king.  "Again all the prisoners won!  I think
tomorrow I'll have *three* rooms instead of two; I'll put a lady in one
room and a tiger in each of the other two rooms.  Then we'll see how the
prisoners fare!"
   "Excellent idea!" replied the minister.
   "Your conversation, though flattering, is just a bit on the repetitious
side!" exclaimed the king.
   "Excellently put!" replied the minister.

The Ninth Trial

Well, on the third day, the king did as planned.  He offered three rooms
to choose from, and he explained to the prisoner that one room contained a
lady and the other two contained tigers.  Here are the three signs:


     I             II            III
  A TIGER        A LADY        A TIGER
   IS IN          IS IN         IS IN
 THIS ROOM      THIS ROOM      ROOM II

The king explained that at most one of the three signs was true.  Which
room contains the lady?


#70 of 132 by dang on Thu Jul 17 18:56:06 1997:

Signs II and III are mutually exclusive.  That is, if one is true, the other
must be false.  Therefore, one of them must be true, no matter what.  Since
at most one sign is true, then sign I must be false, and the Lady is in room
I.


#71 of 132 by aruba on Thu Jul 17 22:33:43 1997:

Hmmm...  The fact that "if one is true, the other must be false" does not
imply "one of them must be true".


#72 of 132 by i on Fri Jul 18 00:04:07 1997:

Yes, but I think dang has only mis-articulated his analysis.  II XOR III is
true, so I must be false (to avoid having 2 true signs).


#73 of 132 by dang on Fri Jul 18 19:59:59 1997:

Sure it does.  One sign must be true.  Hense, two signs must be false.  One
of those two signs, then, must be false.  If one of them is false, then the
other one is true.  Hense, one of those signs must be true, and sign I must
be false.


#74 of 132 by aruba on Fri Jul 18 22:23:33 1997:

It is in fact the case that if one of the two signs (II and III) is false, 
then the other must be true.  *That* is what you need to conclude that one of 
them must be true.  It's not enough to say that "if one is true, then the 
other is false", because that doesn't eliminate the possibility that they are
both false.  (And it's *not* the case that one sign must be true.  All we know
is that *at most one* of the signs is true.)

With that correction, though, dang's (and i's) solution is a very nice one.
I'll enter the next trial when i get home.


#75 of 132 by aruba on Sat Jul 19 07:58:15 1997:

The Tenth Trial

   Again there was only one lady and two tigers.  The king explained to
the prisoner that the sign on the door of the room containing the lady was
true, and that at least one of the other two signs was false. 
   Here are the signs:

    I                II             III
A TIGER IS       A TIGER IS      A TIGER IS
IN ROOM II      IN THIS ROOM     IN ROOM I

   What should the prisoner do?


#76 of 132 by remmers on Sat Jul 19 12:41:02 1997:

If the lady were in Room (II), then sign (II) would be false,
contradicting the fact that the sign on the room containing the
lady is true. Therefore, the lady is not in room (II).

If the lady were in room (III), then tigers would be in the
other two rooms, implying that signs (I) and (II) are both true,
contradicting the fact that at least one of the signs on the
tiger rooms is false. Therefore, the lady is not in room (III).

Hence the lady is in room (I). (Note that this implies that
sign (I) is true and sign (III) is false, consistent with the
king's preconditions.)


#77 of 132 by aruba on Sat Jul 19 16:19:29 1997:

Yes, John has put it very nicely.  On to The Eleventh Trial:

First, Second, and Third Choice

   In this more whimsical trial, the king explained to the prisoner that
one of the three rooms contained a lady, another a tiger, and the third
room was empty.  The sign on the door of the room containing the lady was
true, the sign on the door of the room with the tiger was false, and the
sign on the door of the empty room could be either true or false.  Here
are the signs: 

    I                 II              III
 ROOM III        THE TIGER IS      THIS ROOM
 IS EMPTY         IN ROOM I        IS EMPTY

   Now, the prisoner happened to know the lady in question and wished to
marry her.  Therefore, although the empty room was preferable to the one
with the tiger, his first choice was the room with the lady.
   Which room contains the lady, and which room contains the tiger?  If
you can answer these two questions, you should have little difficulty in
also determining which room is empty.


#78 of 132 by drew on Sat Jul 19 17:22:51 1997:

The lady can't be in room III, because this would make sign(III) false.

If she were in room II, this would put the cat in room I with sign(I) being
true.

So she has to go in room I, making sign(I) true and room III empty, leaving
the cat in room II.


#79 of 132 by aruba on Sun Jul 20 01:30:17 1997:

Very nice, Drew.  Ok, here's the grand finale:

THE FOURTH DAY

   "Horrible!" said the king.  "It seems I can't make my puzzles hard
enough to trap these fellows!  Well, we have only one more trial to go,
but this time I'll *really* give the prisoner a run for his money!"

A Logical Labyrinth

   Well, the king was as good as his word.  Instead of having three rooms
for the prisoner to choose from, he gave him nine!  As he explained, only
one room contained a lady; each of the other eight either contained a
tiger or was empty.  And, the king added, the sign on the door of the room
containing the lady is true; the signs on doors of all rooms containing
tigers are false; and the signs on doors of empty rooms can be either true
or false.
   Here are the signs:


     I                       II                     III
  THE LADY               THIS ROOM             EITHER SIGN V
  IS IN AN                IS EMPTY               IS RIGHT
ODD-NUMBERED                                    OR SIGN VII
    ROOM                                         IS WRONG

     IV                      V                      VI
   SIGN I              EITHER SIGN II            SIGN III
  IS WRONG               OR SIGN IV              IS WRONG
                          IS RIGHT

    VII                     VIII                    IX
  THE LADY               THIS ROOM               THIS ROOM
 IS NOT IN                CONTAINS               CONTAINS
   ROOM I                 A TIGER                 A TIGER
                        AND ROOM IX             AND SIGN VI
                          IS EMPTY               IS WRONG


   The prisoner studied the situation for a long while.
   "The problem is unsolvable!" he exclaimed angrily.  "That's not fair!"
   "I know," laughed the king.
   "Very funny!" replied the prisoner.  "Come on, now, at least give me a
decent clue: is Room Eight empty or not?"
   The king was decent enough to tell him whether Room VIII was empty or
not, and the prisoner was then able to deduce where the lady was.
   Which room contained the lady?


#80 of 132 by janc on Sun Jul 20 15:56:26 1997:

Ugh.  I got as far as figuring that if room VIII is not empty then the lady
is in room one or seven, but then I decided to get a life.


#81 of 132 by remmers on Sun Jul 20 16:56:31 1997:

(In order to "get a life", the prisoner's course of action would
have to be rather different from yours... :-)


#82 of 132 by drew on Sun Jul 20 18:24:12 1997:

In order for sign(VIII) to yield any useful information, it must be
ascertained to have some boolian value. Thus room VIII can't be empty.
It can't have the lady either, since sign(VIII) would have to be true, and
it would not be. So there's a kitty in room VIII. This is permitted by the
AND function in sign(VIII) so long as there is something in room IX.

Room IX also has to have a kitty, for similar reasons that room VIII does.
This makes sign(VI) *right* (true).

This of course makes sign(III) false.

Sign(III) is an OR function (it was stated that either-or was *inclusive*-or
in an earlier problem) which requires *both* clauses to be false.

so, sign(VII), meaning that the lady is not in room I.

Also, NOT sign(V), which is another OR function, both of whose switches must
be turned off.

Thus, NOT sign(IV); sign(I) is right, and the lady must be in either room I,
III, V, VI, and IX.

We've already eliminated rooms III, V, and IX, due to their signs being false,
which leaves rooms I and VII; and we had already eliminated room I due to
sign(VII) being true. This leaves the lady in room VII.


#83 of 132 by aruba on Sat Aug 16 19:04:02 1997:

Sorry it has taken me so long to get back here; Drew is right, of course, and
his solution is very succinct.  I'm going away for a while - anyone else want 
to enter a puzzle?


#84 of 132 by aruba on Fri Aug 29 17:47:35 1997:

Ok, so I've started reading Jack Chalker's Well World books.  The Well
world is supposed to be a planet which is divided into 1560 environments,
each of which is shaped like a hexagon.  "Each hex is identical in size -
each one of the six sides is just a shade under three hundred fifty-five
kilometers, and they're a shade under six hundred fifteen kilometers
across." 

So the planet is tiled with hexagons.  It's not clear whether 1560 is the
total number of hexagons, though, because Chalker implies later that some
hexes are cut in half by the equator, and I'm not sure whether those count
in the 1560 number (I think not).

So the question is: did Chalker think this out before he wrote it?  Is it
possible to tile a sphere with hexagons in a way that fits the
description?


#85 of 132 by rcurl on Sat Aug 30 02:00:06 1997:

There are only five regular polyhedrons - all sides the same shape and
a sphere touching each side at the center can be inscribed. I don't know,
however, how close one might get to the Well World - say, a mismatch at
just the poles. 


#86 of 132 by awijaya on Sat Aug 30 03:48:04 1997:

Hi, Math always the worst experience in college . I get E 
on both Calculus I & II. The only way to study it is
to do 10,000 exercises. (take a long time). The 2nd year,
I got A and B. It is a nightmare! Remembering all those
Integral formula etc. They just prove that Newton is 
wrong in Gravitation theory. There is a WEAK force
that cause in-accurate result. Fortunately physic is
an interesting subject (nuclear physic) Regards AW


#87 of 132 by awijaya on Sat Aug 30 03:59:14 1997:

Hi, about the book upgrade: what about buying CD, instead of books?
IMO it will be more exciting, easy to understand and save
tons of wood from Tropical rainforest. Perhaps they
can use rewritable CD to keep the cost down? What about bookstore
with CD-Writer? IMO it will be cheaper than printed books.
Regards (AW)


#88 of 132 by srw on Sat Aug 30 06:15:05 1997:

I don't think you can tile a sphere with any number of regular hexagons. 
You can tile a plane with them, though.

You need a few pentagons in order to get it to curl up into a sphere. 

If you look at a geodesic dome, a la Buckminster Fuller, you will see 
that it is made up of triangles, with 5 or 6 coming together at each 
point. The "dual" of this structure is made by using the center of each 
triangle as a node and connecting each new node to the adjacent ones. 
The dual of a geodesic dome is made up of hexagons and pentagons that 
tile a sphere. You can have many more hexagons if you like, but you need 
to have exactly 12 pentagons to complete the sphere. If you leave the 
hexagons out altogether, you have a dodecahedron.

The hexagons don't contribute any curling, which is why you can tile a 
plane with them. if they are regular, each one forms an inside angle of 
120 degrees at each vertex. Since there must be no more nor less than 3 
coming together at each point, they always sum to 360 degrees. Hence, no 
curling.

Curiously, although you can't tile a sphere with hexagons, you can tile 
a torus with them. To see this, section the torus and unwind it to form 
a cylinder, then cut the cylinder the long way and unwind it to form a 
rectangle. Tile the rectange as you would a plane, then wind it and 
stitch it back up the way you cut it.


#89 of 132 by rcurl on Sat Aug 30 06:26:12 1997:

That implies that I could roll a cylinder out of paper, and then wind it
into a torus. I can't. Or, please explain further.


#90 of 132 by i on Sat Aug 30 13:21:47 1997:

You're stretching & compressing the surface of the torus in your unwrapping
& wrapping operations - yes, they're all hexagons, but goodbye regularity.

I'm not familiar with all the official terminology used, but if you're
dividing up the surface of a sphere (curved pieces) instead of building
polyhedral solids (flat pieces), you CAN do it with hexagons.  Only 2 
are needed, and those unfamiliar with non-Euclidean geometry may have
problems with calling one of them a hexagon....  But they're regular!


#91 of 132 by rcurl on Sat Aug 30 17:46:52 1997:

The original proposition (#84) was that the hexagons were "all identical in
size" - that would imply all identical in shape, too, but they were not
stated to be regular (spherical) hexagons, thought the sides are nearly
all the same size, and all the hexagons are about the same 'diameter'....
So..what are the shapes of the two irregular hexagons (ala #90) with which
to (spherically) tile a sphere?


#92 of 132 by aruba on Sat Aug 30 18:56:53 1997:

Re #91:  I think what Walter is thinking of in #91 is: take a sphere, draw a
small hexagon on it.  Then the one you drew and its complement are two
hexagons which tile the sphere.

Are you sure, Rane, that "same size" (which I take to mean same area) implies
"same shape"?  Can you prove that?

Steve W., can you prove that you can't tile a sphere with hexagons?

I am assuming here that the sides of each hexagon should be "lines", which
on a sphere means segments of a great circle which are less than half a
circumference in length.


#93 of 132 by srw on Sat Aug 30 20:21:10 1997:

No, I can't. The logic I ran off in resp:88 did assume that exactly 3 
and no more or fewer hexagons came together at any one vertex. In order 
to drop that restruction, you would have to distort the shape of the 
hexagons.

Since your hinting above allows that the hexes may be distorted, it 
seems that my assumption may have been too great. Perhaps these must be 
the rules.

(1) Every shape is bounded by 6 straight sides (straight is "geodesic" 
or great circle on a sphere). All sides are the same length.

(2) Every shape has the same size. That is, the same total area.

(3) The entire sphere is covered, so that every point on the sphere is 
either in exactly one of these shapes, on the boundary of exactly two, 
or at an intersection of three or more.

Under those conditions, I believe I can prove that it cannot be done, 
but I am not posting such a proof here yet. The proof will assume that 
at least three hexagons come together at each vertex. Perhaps this is 
not a requirement.  Let me rewrite rule (3) above as follows...

(3) The entire sphere is covered, so that every point on the sphere is 
either in exactly one of these shapes, on the boundary of exactly two, 
or at an intersection of two or more.

This allows for two hexagons to share two adjacent pairs of edges and 
the vertex between them. Such a vertex I might choose to label "bogus", 
because only two edges meet. Topologically, these hexes are now a lot 
like pentagons, as they may have five (or fewer) neighboring hexagons.
If "bogus" vertices are allowed, then it very likely can be tiled.

In fact, I can modify the example Mark presumed Walter was proposing to 
the construct the following tiling of a sphere with 2 hexagons:

Take a sphere of radius r and draw 6 straight line segments of radius 
pi*r/3 along the equator so that they are laid out end-to-end and touch 
at 6 vertices, equally spaced along the equator. This tiles the sphere 
into two equally sized hexagons of area 2*pi*r^2

(OK, it is a bit degenerate, because the line segments are colinear, but 
it makes the point.)


#94 of 132 by aruba on Sat Aug 30 23:06:11 1997:

Yeah, I think it's OK to assume that every vertex is at the corner of at least
3 edges.  And each edge is a segment of a great circle.

I don't know if you can call what I was doing "hinting", because I don't
know the answer to this one.


#95 of 132 by i on Sun Aug 31 04:35:24 1997:

Re:  #92, 91 - aruba has the idea.  Regularity presents no challenge whatever.
You can even make the two hexagons the same size if you don't mind degenerate
n-gons on a sphere...as steve notes.  If what steve calls bogus vertices
are allowed, then 3, 4, and 5-gons can be called hexagons, and the regular
polyhedra provide plenty of regular & symmetrical tilings.  Disallowing
180-degree vertices (let's call the results "true" n-gons) messes up the
regularity and symmetry, but the tilings persist.


#96 of 132 by rcurl on Sun Aug 31 05:02:07 1997:

I don't think it has yet been pointed out that all the interior angles of
a regular spherical hexagon smaller than half the sphere, are greater
than 120 degrees. Hence no three regular spherical hexagons, regardless
of their size, can have a common vertex. My mind boggles, however, at
irregular hexagons of less than 6 edges....


#97 of 132 by remmers on Sun Aug 31 12:37:38 1997:

Those would be about as irregular as it's possible to get.


#98 of 132 by janc on Sun Aug 31 14:06:30 1997:

I think Chalker's plan is pretty hopeless.  Tiling a sphere is hexagons is
really pretty much the same problem as putting a grid of squares on it (you
can convert from a grid of squares to a grid of hexagons by shifting the odd
numbered rows half a square left and turning the horizonatal boundaries into
zig-zags).  But we know how successfull geographers have been at putting a
grid on the earths surface - The squares near the poles are awfully long and
skinny for squares.  I think the same problem arrises with hexagons.  The
polar hexes get very long and skinny - not even vaguely regular.

I seem to recall some of Chalker's later books admitted that the polar hexes
aren't as regular, and I think there are large polar regions that aren't
tiled.


#99 of 132 by i on Sun Aug 31 14:14:13 1997:

The interior angles of a regular spherical hexagon *larger* than half the
sphere are still greater than 120 - the size clause in #96 is unneeded.

Convexity (all interior angles <180) seems to be a popular assumption here.
If you don't get hung up with that, then degeneracy (an 180 interior angle,
thus 2 co-linear edges) is a very un-boggling point discontinuity in an
angle vs. # of sides graph.  

For greater irregularity, just allow 2-dimensional projections of 3-d
n-gons.  You get X-intersections of lines at non-vertex points, double
vertices, 0 length sides, and all sorts of fun.  (But this is boring from 
the tiling point of view, because ANY tiling of the sphere can be 
represented as such a projection of a 3-d n-gon!)


#100 of 132 by drew on Sun Aug 31 16:06:03 1997:

Someone recently came out with a 100-sided die. I'm not sure whether hexagons
could be circumscribed about the faces, but if a 100 sided die is possible,
then maybe something like hexagon-world could be done if you don't mind some
irregularity and mismatch.


#101 of 132 by i on Sun Aug 31 22:26:47 1997:

If you're just interested in generating random numbers from 1 to n, then a
fair n-sided die can easily be made.  Besides the common 6-siders, 4-, 8-
12-, and 20-sided dice (based on the regular polyhedra) are quite common.
(Dungeons & Dragons uses all these, as do a number of other games.)  The
results are often (mathematically and visually) uglier for other values
of n.  My guess is that commercial 100-sided dice would either split the
faces of a 20-sided die into 5 pieces (each) or follow an apple-peeler
pattern.  But I wouldn't be surprised by something really odd like a little
10-sided die inside a large, clear 10-sided die (read as 1's and 10's). 


#102 of 132 by remmers on Sun Aug 31 23:41:38 1997:

Okay, change-of-pace time! Here's a reasonably straightforward
geometry problem:

    Three billiard balls of diameter 1 are resting on a flat
    tabletop. Each ball is touching the other two. A fourth ball of
    diameter 1 rests on top of the first three. How high above the
    surface of the table is the apex of the fourth ball?

(Supply reasoning to justify your answer.)


#103 of 132 by rcurl on Mon Sep 1 01:55:33 1997:

It is the diameter of a ball plus the height of a tetrahedron with sides
equal to the diameter of a ball. (Reduced to previously solved problem....)


#104 of 132 by toking on Mon Sep 1 03:20:30 1997:

re 100: 100 sided die have been out for a while...I picked one
up in like 5th grade to use with D&D..





I recently finished "Flatland" by Edwin Abbott Abbott, is the sequel
"spehere Land" and good?


#105 of 132 by rcurl on Mon Sep 1 06:12:38 1997:

I have a "die" that was made by a statistician which is an aluminum 
ten-sided prism with the sides numbered (on the end of the prism) from
0 to 9. It is for generating random decimal numbers. 


#106 of 132 by remmers on Mon Sep 1 12:15:07 1997:

Re #103: Yeah, but what's the ANSWER?  :)


#107 of 132 by i on Mon Sep 1 15:20:11 1997:

Okay, let's roll out the old HS geometry and take a closer look at that
tetrahedron.  It's regular with edges of length 1, so all 4 faces are 
equilateral triangles with sides of length 1.  Bisect the 3 angles in the
base triangle and run the lines through the opposite sides.  The result
just oozes symmetries, similarities, and 30-60-90 triangles.  Note that
by easy symmetry arguments, the 3 bisectors meet at the center directly 
under the vertex.  Using the old 1|1/2|sqtr(3)/2 sides rule for those 
30-60-90 trianges gives us a distance of 1/sqrt(3) from a corner of the 
base to the center.  This distance and the (unknown) height are legs of
a right triangle with an edge as hypotenuse (1).  Pythagoras says the
height is sqrt(2/3), so (per #103), the answer is 1+sqrt(2/3).  


On to a probability problem.  It's not hard, but I've seen grad. students
flub it and I'm told that the government of India once made a major policy
decision based on a wrong answer to it.

Assume that the gender ratio at birth is 50-50 and that all births are
independent events.  (In other words, having babies is like flipping a 
fair coin - heads it's a boy, tails it's a girl.)  The following policy
is proposed:  Each couple may have two children.  If both are girls, then
they may have a third, if that's a girl, a 4th is permitted, etc.  (Two
very different ways you could interpret this sexism!  The intent was to
guarantee everyone a son who wasn't an only child.)  Assume that couples
will have as many children as permitted.  Ignore divorce, birth out of
wedlock, fertility running out before a son is born, etc.

What will the gender ratio of children born under this policy be?


#108 of 132 by drew on Mon Sep 1 21:53:03 1997:

Okay, I'll take a crack at it.

If you stop at two kids, then the ratio is 50/50. However, 25% of these
families will be two girls, and thus can have another kid. Of these, 50% will
have yet another girl, and of these 50% yet another... Thus we have:

M M                     1/4
M F                     1/4
F M                     1/4
F F M                   1/8
F F F M         1/16
F F F F M               1/32
.........
(n) F M          2^(-n-1)

In the first two cases, the ratio is one female to three males, multiplied
by 1/2. The rest can be generalized as n females to one male, multiplied by
(1/2)^(n+1). Expressing it as a sum:

        R  =  1/6 + sum(i=1 to inf) { i / 2^(i+1) }.

The series works out as 1/6 + 1/4 + 1/4 + 3/16 + 1/8 + 5/64 + 3/64 + ...
By experiment, the series seems to converge at 1.166666667 or 7/6. Shouldn't
be too much of a disaster in itself.

But the real problem is the population *growth*, the increase per generation.
This is best state, per couple, as

2/4 + 2/4 + 2/4 + 3/8 + 4/16 + 5/32 + ...
        or
1/2 + 1/2 + 2/4 + 3/8 + 4/16 + 5/32 + ... 
        or
1/2 + sum(i=1 to inf) { i / 2^i }.

This series converges, by experiment, at 2.5 children per male-female pair,
or 1.25 multiplication of the population every generation.


#109 of 132 by aruba on Tue Sep 2 00:59:10 1997:

Where did you get that 1/6 from, Drew?


#110 of 132 by drew on Wed Sep 3 00:04:01 1997:

The first two cases are  taken as the first term in the series - actually not
really a part of the series itself, but a special case.  The female to male
ratio among these first two cases is 1:3, and they take up half the outcomes,
for a product of 1/6.

I suspect my answer may not be right. I'll have to think this one over.


#111 of 132 by srw on Thu Sep 4 05:21:23 1997:

There is a simple proof that the series sum(i=1 to inf) (i / 2^i) = 2
based on the method of differentiating the series...to wit

Start with  y= sum[i=0,inf](x^i) = 1/(1-x) in the region 0<x<1

differentiate w.r.t. x - (you can differentiate each term of the series 
separately).  so it yields

dy/dx  =  sum[i=0,inf] (i * x^(i-1) )   = (1 - x)^(-2)

so if we substitute x=2^(-1) (another name for 0.5) we have this

sum[i=0,inf] (i / 2^(i-1)) = 4

now divide each side by 2 and note that the i=0 term is 0, so drop it

sum[i=1,inf] (i / 2^i ) = 2   QED

H O W E V E R .....

If you wish to determine the gender ratio you do not need to evaluate a 
series. It is 1:1 because each birth is independent. I don't see any 
need to argue further. 

For skeptics, if you really must do it by the series approach, then 
evaluate the expected number of males per family and the expected number 
of females. Both evaluate to 1.25 so the ratio really is 1:1

case       probability    E(M)   E(F)
MM         1/4            2/4    0/4
MF         1/4            1/4    1/4
FM         1/4            1/4    1/4
FFM        1/8            1/8    2/8
FFFM       1/16           1/16   3/16
FFFFM      1/32           1/32   4/32

The E(M) series is 1/4 + sum[i=1,inf](1/2^i) = 1/4 + 1
The E(F) series is 1/4 + sum[i=1,inf](i/2^(i+1)) = 1/4 + 1


#112 of 132 by aruba on Thu Sep 4 17:42:41 1997:

Another way to find the expected number of girls G (which doesn't require
any calculus) is: 

         G = 0/4 + 1/4 + 1/4 + 2/8 + 3/16 + 4/32 + ...
           = 1/4 +       1/4 + 2/8 + 3/16 + 4/32 + ...
==>     2G = 2/4 + 1/2 + 2/4 + 3/8 + 4/16 + 5/32 + ...
==>   2G-G = 1/4 + 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + 1/32 + ...
==>      G = 1/4 + (1/2)/(1-1/2)
           = 1/4 + 1
           = 5/4

Drew's interesting observation about the increase in population is quite
right, each generation will be 25% bigger than the last if everyone has
children.  That would be kind of a problem.


#113 of 132 by i on Thu Sep 4 22:52:16 1997:

(Compared to the actual growth rates, 25% per generation [less early 
mortality, infertility, etc.] would have been wonderfully low, and 
India would be in much better shape today.)

Steve's "H O W E V E R..." in #111 is the correct and "best" solution.
There are simpler "add things up" solutions, but this is one of those
problems where the student's approach tells the teacher more about his/her
understanding than anything else.

(The instructor threw this problem at a class of PhD-track math (not stats)
grad students I was in.  The initial class consensus was for a wrong answer
[and they almost agreed on which one].)


On to a more familiar mathematical topic - Sets.  Apples and oranges are
elements of the set of fruits, Mr. Figston's 3rd grade is a subset of the
set of students at Washington Elementary School, the intersection of the
set of wet thing with the set of dry things is the empty set, and all that
fun. 

One very popular set is the Universal Set, which contains EVERYTHING - real,
abstract, imagined or undiscovered, simple or complex, it's all there.  But
the idea that such a set can exist suffers from a fatal logical flaw.  It 
is not that the Universal Set can't contain itself as a subset - but that's
a good hint on where to start looking.


#114 of 132 by remmers on Fri Sep 5 00:34:30 1997:

Did you mean to say "contain itself as a subset" or "contain
itself as an element"?


#115 of 132 by srw on Fri Sep 5 02:38:40 1997:

resp:112 Hey, that's cool, Mark. I learned how to solve that silly 
series using differentiation. Your way is much better.


#116 of 132 by tpryan on Fri Sep 5 22:37:42 1997:

        Would the Universal Set, then try to contain 'null' and 'infinity'
at the same time?


#117 of 132 by i on Fri Sep 5 22:59:36 1997:

The Universal Set (U for short), by "definition", contains null, infinity,
and anything else you can think up.  Yourself included.

Re #114:  U must do both.  I believe that a contradiction can be derived
either way, but the "nontraditional" one requires minimal knowledge of
power sets.


#118 of 132 by remmers on Sat Sep 6 13:15:47 1997:

Well, every set contains itself as a subset, so I figured you
must have meant "contain itself as an element".

The most familiar contradiction based on the notion of sets
containing themselves as elements is the Russell Paradox, which
goes as follows: Let S be the set of all sets that are not
elements of themselves. Then if S is an element of itself, then
by definition of S, S is not an element of itself. Conversely,
if S is not an element of itself, then again by definition of
S, S is an element of itself.


#119 of 132 by rcurl on Sat Sep 6 16:09:58 1997:

Mike shaves all men that do not shave themselves. Does Mike shave himself?


#120 of 132 by mcnally on Sat Sep 6 16:40:26 1997:

re #119:  Your statement of Russell's "Barber" paradox is insufficient
to indicate the paradox since it says nothing about whether or not the
barber shaves some of those who shave themselves (which would only include
the barber..) or whether or not the restriction applies to the barber
(e.g. is the barber a woman?)  You need a restriction more like "the barber
shaves all those and *only* those who don't shave themselves.."


#121 of 132 by rcurl on Sat Sep 6 17:42:42 1997:

Ok, fine. But if you are going to be particular, remember that the
defining relative pronoun is *that*, so it has to be stated as "the barber
shaves all those and only those *that* don't shave themselves." 



#122 of 132 by i on Sun Sep 7 14:06:48 1997:

Re: #118 - my meaning was that a contradiction can be obtained by looking
either at sets which are elements of U or at sets which are subsets of U
(the power sets are used in the latter).  I did't want to give too big a hint. 

This Statement Is False.

(Is the above statement a paradox?  Is it not a paradox only for "poetic"
reasons - the contradiction is too poorly hidden, insufficiently interesting,
etc.?  What is a paradox?)


#123 of 132 by tpryan on Fri Sep 12 23:00:16 1997:

        Hey, I know Barry & Sally Childs-Helton, they both have Phds,
they are a Paradox.


#124 of 132 by dang on Mon Sep 29 17:16:32 1997:

re 122: two places to moor ships.

Speaking of Russel's paradox, Greg (my roommate, flem) was just reading his
autobiography and mentioned it to me last night.  Interesting coincidance.


#125 of 132 by lilmo on Thu Dec 18 01:23:13 1997:

Isn't a paradox something that appears to be true, even though it is not?


#126 of 132 by srw on Fri Dec 19 03:40:15 1997:

Er, not exactly. I would describe a paradox as an assertion that seems to be
contradictory. Almost the opposite of your definition.


#127 of 132 by rcurl on Fri Dec 19 17:40:12 1997:

I agree with Steve. A paradox appears to be internally contradictory.
Paradoxes may have resolutions, or they may not. Something that "appears to
be true, even though it is not" is just an error. I think there is 
an expression for it, such as "plausible but mistaken".


#128 of 132 by lilmo on Sat Jan 3 21:56:46 1998:

Chalk one up to fuzzy-headedness.  *sigh*


#129 of 132 by anilkk on Wed Jan 13 17:41:21 1999:

paradox is self-contradictory.


#130 of 132 by lilmo on Sat Apr 17 00:02:49 1999:

Re #129:  A paradox is something that *appears* so be self-contradictory.


#131 of 132 by rcurl on Sat Apr 17 04:01:54 1999:

That's what I said in #127.......  ;)


#132 of 132 by lilmo on Tue Apr 20 01:08:27 1999:

Apparently, he missed it the first time.  :-)


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