Grex Summer Conference

Item 11: Politics item

740 new of 1674 responses total.

Re #934:

> Dubious dot connecting. 

Nope. Comical reading on your part. I rate your humor at about a solid 4 out
of 10 :-)

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh3rZFekA5E

On a scale from 1 to 10, how funny is this:

Ex-president Carter says he would've beaten Reagan if he was 'more 
manly' against Iran

Carter told CNBC that his administration could have secured another 
term in office if he had responded more forcefully to the Iran 
hostage crisis.

"I could have wiped Iran off the map with the weapons that we had, 
but in the process a lot of innocent people would have been killed, 
probably including the hostages and so I stood up against all that," 
he said. 

http://tinyurl.com/powf52j
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"wiped Iran off the map" ~ to win an election? WOW
PS People are much more concerned with the economy than hostages 
back in 1979. Oil lines, inflation, etc. Dumb ass globalist. 

He is right, actually. He is speaking in political code, mind you, and his
actual audience is someone other than the American public. He is also moving
and shaking things with the Friends wing of US Congress against Jew saboteurs.

Did you try #924 for size? Take a peek there and look for 'October Surprise.'
The timing of Carter's interview is not accidental.

re #933
Bibles and cults and religion = Bad Parenting 101

Cults, you said?

> Iran Dissidents: Tehran Continues Nuke Arms Work
> 
> [...]
> 
> The Mujahedin-e Khalk, or MEK, cites Iranian government sources it did
> not identify. It said Wednesday that Iran's Organization of Defensive
> Information and Research, or SPND, moved its most sensitive weapons
> research to a new Tehran location "in recent months."
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/EcxbAt -- (redirects to ABC News)

The three news telex giants are quite desperate these days.

SP[E]ND? LOL.

Kidding aside, the only SPND initials I can think of is something with the
words navy and defense in it.

> India and Pakistan exchange fire in Kashmir border clashes

-- http://is.gd/gEOItl
-- (redirects to The Guardian)

Brown vs brown. The world yawns. 

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itm8rcZfvqc

Would there be a different reaction if the same thing happened between 
Iran and Pakistan or India and Nepal? 

India-Nepal would be 'bandits.' Iran-Pakistan would be 'freedom fighters.'

If someone suicide vests in Tamil, does the Pope hear it?

If there's an annexation of East Timor is there blood on Jew megalomaniac
Kissinger's hands?

resp:945 Been to Colombo lately?

If Jaish ul-Adl kills Iranian conscripts does Jew liar Foxman get new meat
for his synagogue?

Their bodies are fed to the flesh powered robots.

*cues "We are the Robots" by Kraftwerk*

Poor robots would have a hard time in Lardland ;-(

#951
http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/local/henrico/oversized-body-causes-fir
e-at-
henrico-crematory/article_e603e0bb-9ade-5a52-afbb-3c23b6463b92.html

http://tinyurl.com/k2woz9h

The Bohemian Grove only celebrates the "cremation of care" with young 
children. Not sure if they eat them afterward. 

#950 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXa9tXcMhXQ

Moog Micromoog + Germans = Magic

Before Moogs fagged it up:

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L91JW1gsO14

(Just kidding. Schulze was the real pioneer, though. And the choice of video
by the YouTube submitter is... electrifying.)

re #947
Does Orlando count? (Mangoes not so tasty)

Ansar Islamic State in the Arabian Peninsula - discuss, compare, contrast.

'Ansar' == 'helpers.'

Taken from early history of Islam. After the prophet's flight to
Yathrib--later named Medina[t an-Nabi], the prophet's city--'ansar' were the
ones who joined him there from the locals, 'mohajiroun' were those who
emigrated with him from Mecca.

So, there's the logic of these namings. The black banners are mark of the
Abbassid caliphate but the strong anti-Arab stance is consistent with the
Umayyad who were toppled soon after instituting Arab chauvinism in their rule
by the revolt led by the Iranian who took on the name Abu Muslim... Khorasani
;-)

To be honest, the namings seem like someone is pulling a historical joke based
on every Iranian's school history knowledge, on everyone else in the world.

Is ISIS jizyah old school (by say 150 years) or a distortion?

Jizyah vs. zakat. Pick your poison... I mean, tax model. A high level of tax
enforcement is particular to modern bureaucracies and their long arms. As far
as I know 19th century monarchies didn't feel a need to reference the "king's
share" to tithe or jizyah/zakat. It was taken to be a soverign's right to levy
taxes. Variations of Frondienst were also quite common.

The concern with keeping an identity label, and acting as if a coerced change
of label is a form of symbolic murder, is a modern phenomenon--and like most
modern stuff a result of confusion of priorities in the face of fast changes.
Of course the Illuminati enjoy playing with it. Call me an atheist, a
Zarathustran, a Muslim, a Christian, a Jew, a Buddhist, or a pinko commie.
Just give me the tax cuts and don't push me to do things I don't want ;-)

As to ISIS, 'distortion' implies there's a verifiably authentic form.
Mormonism is not a 'distortion' of Christianity, for example, since
Christianity doesn't have an authentic form. No cultural artefact does, Islam
included. One can judge these solely by their internal consistency. ISIS makes
particular historical claims which appear to me to be inconsistent with each
other and with what I know of history. Plenty of anachronisms, among other
things. Say, that the Abbassid moved the core of Islam from Arabia to
Mesopotamia was a mark of increased ecumenicalism and some degree of weakening
of power over peripheries. They made Baghdad a cosmopolitan city. These go
against the grain of an alleged return-to-roots movement like ISIS. The
parallel to Abbassid Baghdad could be something like Cairo today, much less
Riyadh and certainly not Mecca.

What I cannot tell is whether ISIS

1. has thinkers who create these inconsistencies secure in the knowledge that
nobody of practical value cares about the specifics;

or

2. has very poorly read thinking heads;

or

3. is a tool in the hands of creepy others who like to muddle history and pull
jokes just as they work practically towards their objectives.

> Obama Is Fighting ISIS, Iran and Russia With... Oil?
> 
> How the US is using trade sanctions and other means to curb the oil
> exports of its foes.

-- http://is.gd/eXvXaF
-- (redirects to The Nation)

+

> Iran Matches Saudi Oil Discounts in Bear Market for Crude

-- http://is.gd/k3cRbz
-- (redirects to Bloomberg)

+

> Iran backs down on Opec sending Brent oil price tumbling
> 
> Iran's oil minister says Opec unlikely to meet until the end of
> November, sending crude prices into freefall

-- http://is.gd/D4jmh5
-- (redirects to The Telegraph)

Hm?

Er, forgot this: I still think that promise of the US becoming a net exporter
by 2018 will be delivered. (At a price.)

re #959
Consumers are loving it and investors are loathing it.  

Re #961:

Where do producers feature in that? How much capital loss and what effects?

re #962
Saud and UAE are producing 10% of global consumption (almost 9M barrels)
a day.  There are another 9% coming from the Persian Gulf.  Shipping
rates are sky high with rates around $23k/day for the furthest distance
tankers but those rates may drop if the domestic consumption in the
Persian Gulf continues to grow and turmoil continues with ISIL.
Saud is building a 400k barrels/day refinery on the Red Sea and Abu Dhabi
is doing same at Ruwais.  
Blowback in US transportation is limiting grain exports via rail due
to increased oil imports.  The midrange shipping rates for grain average
$7.5k/day which is well below the $11k/day needed to break even.  
Coal shipping is also suffering thanks to the diesel and gas market rise.
Cosco and other shipping companies may change their logistic patterns
toward South America which is willing to pick up the slack on both grain
and coal.
How does all of this play out for Rouhani?  Iran's crude prices are falling
and inflation looms.  The joker card (i.e. big question mark) will be 
if the nuclear negotiations produce a sustained deal with 
potential for construction and jobs for several decades to come.

Re #963:

Inflation in Iran grows with petrodollar input because it encourages wasteful
allocation. Some peoples are better off with not having than with having.
Restricted input slows inflation. I'm wishing for foreign capital not finding
its way back into development of Iranian hydrocarbons. I think there is no
conceivable nuclear deal where Rouhani can both keep his consumer appeal and
serve national interests. I cannot guess which he will pick.

The rest is new information to me. Thanks.

And, Gwadar development?

> A nuclear deal with Iran won't end the Middle East's big Cold War
> 
> The truth is, it would change very little about the region's dynamic
> 
> By Kevin B. Sullivan | 6:05am ET
> 
> [...]
> 
> No matter who governs Iran, the country will always pursue its own
> interests in an otherwise unfriendly neighborhood, and a more democratic
> Iran certainly wouldn't guarantee a more pliant one. This leaves
> Washington with little choice but to pick a side and act accordingly.
> 
> A look at a map of Mideast military deployments suggests that the U.S.
> has done just that.

-- http://is.gd/cmD20t
-- (redirects to The Week)

Whoa, someone spelling truth out for Americans instead of lies and agitprop.
Now that's rare. A must-read article.

Cheney: 'Very Dangerous Period   More Threatening Than the Period 
Before 9/11'
'9/11 will turn out to be not nearly as bad as the next mass 
casualty attack against the United States'

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cheney-very-dangerous-period-
more-threatening-period-911_810984.html

What does Cheney know that we don't? Easy! 
---------------------------------------------
On the last point, Cheney surveyed the world -- particulary the 
Middle East -- and expressed concern about Iran getting nuclear 
weapons. If that happens, Cheney predicted, many other countries in 
the region would quickly acquire nuclear weapons, too.

"So we're in a very dangerous period and I think it's more 
threatening than the period before 9/11," Cheney predicted. "I think 
9/11 will turn out to be not nearly as bad as the next mass casualty 
attack against the United States--which, if and when it comes, will 
be with something far deadlier than [with] airline tickets and box 
cutters."

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re #966
 What does Cheney know that we don't? Easy!

"In an exclusive interview with ABC News, Vice President Dick Cheney 
was asked what effect the grim milestone of at least 4,000 U.S. deaths 
in the five-year Iraq war might have on the nation... Noting the burden 
placed on military families, the vice president said the biggest burden 
is carried by President George W. Bush, who made the decision to commit 
US troops to war, and reminded the public that U.S. troops in Iraq
and Afghanistan volunteered for duty."

    -ABC News, 2008 http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Politics/story?id=4513250&page
=1

Remember: You're guilty for going along with Cheney and Bush's plans. 
They take no responsibility.

Obola and Bush make Clinton seem respectable. 

(Bill Clinton that is)

Re #968:
 
Strangely, I find your attitude about Obama as tired as the stupid middle
class Iranians' attitude about the Islamic Republic. The tired, stupid
attitudes are exhausing :-(

#970 Well, you can rest assured that I'll be just as unhappy with the 
next person due to lying, spying, waring, taxing, and other irritating 
factors. The negative pressure placed on my back, the bigger my tiring 
attitude. 

Re #971:

You reserve the strange names only for Democrats. I wouldn't be commenting
if you spoke as colorfully about Republicans.

#972 You have a short memory. 

Perhaps. Don't recall any names you gave Bush. Could be that I've forgotten.

#974 I was viciously against Bush. Lots of arguments with Zulu. Once 
Obama was in, Zulu started to align himself with me. I even pointed out 
on a few occasions that I hated Bush so much that I voted for Obama 
when it was clear that McCain was another Bush. I quickly regretted 
voting for Obama though once it was clear that he was just another 
puppet with different window dressing and different marketing. 

Look at my posts before 2009. 

So who to support in 2016? Ted Cruz or Hillary Clinton? lol

Re #975:

Yup, you had mentioned the earlier Obama vote.

What usually gets me is the range of specifically physical, lowbrow insults
used for Obama. I hadn't seen anything like that before him, used against any
POTUS.

It's fine if I name him names. I'm not a US citizen and to me all POTUS's are
vile. The physical namecalling from Americans, in Obama's case, had me
surprised, though.

#977 I'll let you connect the dots: for the last election I wrote in 
Ron Paul.

#978 "What usually gets me is the range of specifically physical, 
lowbrow insults used for Obama. I hadn't seen anything like that 
before him, used against any POTUS."

You have to be kidding. The media and the public painted Bush as a 
mental retard and a lost child. I could point to countless 
references. 

"The physical name calling from Americans, in Obama's case, had me
surprised, though."

Every president in my lifetime has undergone the same treatment. It 
would be that people are more sensitive now because Obama is half-
black. Talking heads are eager to broad-brush all criticism of Obama 
racist. Wait until there's a woman in office.

Re #979:

Emphasis: physical. Attacks on other POTUS's mental capabilities have been
common enough. Maybe it's just me thinking B[ody] O[dor] is without precedent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/bush-monkey-cesca.jpg

Note the source.

Libertarian Senate candidate dies in plane crash right before election:
http://www.kcrg.com/subject/news/plane-crash-in-key-west-20141014

Re #982:

Fair enough, but you aren't going to score a double because the source is
actually decrying that behavior:

> The right-wing talking heads have been hitting this "Bin Laden sounds
> like [insert Democratic name here]" talking point around the clock since
> the audio recording was released last week. The point seems to be that
> Bin Laden hates America; Bin Laden sounds like [Democrat]; therefore
> [Democrat] hates America.
> 
> [...]
> 
> I give you... the infamous "President Bush Looks Like A Monkey" montage
> (be kind to us, historians of the future).
> 
> Okay sure. He looks monkeyesque. But that doesn't mean he's literally a
> monkey. And when news of a monkey hits the mainstream media, has Chris
> Matthews wasted valuable spittle and airtime remarking, "You know that
> monkey looks an awful lot like George W. Bush (spit, spit, spit)."?
> 
> [...]
> 
> Comparing Bin Laden to Democrats shouldn't be the milieu of pundits --
> it's the milieu of right-wing comedians and satirists like, um... shoot.
> I can't think of any funny conservatives.
> 
> [...]
> 
> But it's grotesquely irresponsible for any semi-reputable member of the
> mainstream media to make this comparison considering how far removed
> they are from the context of satire. Either comparison: Bin Laden or
> Monkey.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/eUAzIR
-- (redirects to HuffPo)

> So who to support in 2016? Ted Cruz or Hillary Clinton? lol

-- http://imgur.com/e8Db2lw

Rare lucidity:

> Hawkish Projection and War with Iran
> 
> Richard Cohen bemoans Obama's lack of "menace":
> 
> [...]
> 
> [...] Tehran doesn't need to be frightened into believing that the U.S.
> will attack them. The greater danger in the negotiations with Iran is
> that they might not believe that the U.S. is willing or able to respect
> any deal that they make.
> 
> [...] The real problem isn't that Tehran doesn't take the possibility of
> American military action against their country seriously, but that such
> military action would be illegal and unpardonably stupid.
> 
> [comments section]
> 
> AGD says: October 14, 2014 at 10:36 pm
> 
> [...]
> 
> Future historians will be baffled: never before were so many so
> thoroughly deceived by so few.

-- http://is.gd/PmFiHZ
-- (redirects to The American Conservative)

I'd contest the 'never before' assertion but the gist of it is true.

I supported Hillary Clinton in 2008.  Obama struck me as a rich
surfer kid from Hawaii with a silver spoon in his mouth just like
Al Gore.  His work in Chicago with the upper middle class Catholics
got twisted into a "he's an urban underdog" by Oprah's groupies.
McCain has always been an obvious nut to me.  S&L scandal and his
weirdness in the 90's with the blues brothers glasses and interviews
talking about sending hit squads into Vietnam to find MIAs.

Cruz or Clinton?  It's a nobrainers to me - Jim Webb.

#987 I think the safe bet for Democrat nomination is Elizabeth Warren. 
She's the underdog in the party with some cult status approval. The 
word is out on Hillary; that she's another neoliberal with warhawk 
tendencies. Warren is a liberal's liberal. If Jim Web is going to go 
anywhere, he's going to have to step into the light and he's going to 
have to duke it out with the Clinton machine. Good luck with that!

I don't care about parties - Dem nor GOP.  Elizabeth Warren is one of the
Eurodollar trolls.  Have you read her books?  Jim Webb books are way
more humane. LOL

Re #988:

> Liberals' darling Elizabeth Warren defends Israeli attacks on Gaza
> schools and hospitals

-- http://rt.com/usa/183744-elizabeth-warren-gaza-israel/

Tell me they aren't a bunch of cocksuckers.

#990 "Tell me they aren't a bunch of cocksuckers."

You won't hear any arguments from me. Warren is controlled just like the
rest  of them.

#989 I am anti-party so I hear you. Warren is dangerous IMO. She is
another  Obama in the making. PS Obama wrote great books too! LOL To be
honest I'm more  sickened and angry at what I see in government every
day. Look at what's  coming out of the CDC. MY GOD.

Little sidenote to tod: Armin Rosen and other Jewlets like him will be
remembered. Matthew 26:67. Mark my words.

Michelle Obama dances with a turnip: 
https://vine.co/v/OqJKZVQami9

She's really into fitness and health eating. :)

I like turnips, to be honest, and they're really beneficial in all sorts of
ways. Can publicity for turnips be bad, too?

I grew turnips in my garden this year. All root veggies are easy to 
grow. :)
I don't think turnips need publicity. Super Mario 2 put them on the 
map!

Well, I guess Michelle Obama was shone on by already-famous turnips then.

Still think it's good if it gets one more person to eat turnips. Zero cost,
positive outcome.

> Stagflation in Iran: Why President Rouhani's Neoliberal "Economic
> Package" is Empty
> 
> By Prof. Ismael Hossein-Zadeh

-- http://is.gd/X938JS
-- (redirects to GlobalResearch/CRG)

I agree with this Marxist-leaning academic ;-)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt-ac6pstmM

-- http://imgur.com/FNg8JYq

#999 The turban banana setup was lovely. The truck looked just fine.

I think it's terrible in a number of ways.

#1001 He's not Sikh but he's a Sultan of Swing! 
The conspiracy: there's a hidden message regarding American United 
Fruit Company atrocities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb

Cause of death: "Suicide"

This response has been erased.

re #1003
Cause of death: secrets

Two gunshot wounds to the head, it says. I don't know if that's possible as
a suicide.

J Edgar Hoover strangled Steve Jobs with a pair of panty hose for considering
encryption?
www.yahoo.com/tech/fbi-director-warns-that-smartphone-encryption-will-come-100
237542264.html

Mysterious deaths after meeting with "The Man"..cancers and heart attacks
within 90-120 days..why isn't the healthcare community warning us?

Your fascism? My fascism!

> [...]
> 
> The opposition of left and right reflects a double heritage in the
> capitalist world: the Enlightenment (conservatism versus progress and
> movement, authoritarianism versus democracy) and the workers' movement
> (the rationale of capital versus that of socialism). Neither element of
> this heritage is a decisive presence in the societies of the periphery.
> Here, the left-right boundary is drawn by acceptance or rejection of
> really existing capitalism, that is to say, the globalization that has
> peripheralized the third world. For this reason the national liberation
> movement, in all its historical forms--bourgeois, popular, and
> socialist--constitutes a force on the left side of the world ledger and
> the most active social force in the third world. The adversary it faces
> there is the class of ruling subalterns and compradors, whose
> qualifications are those of collaborators, traitors, or colonial
> lackeys, according to current usage. There is no consensus there such as
> structures the Western societies. Rather, in the conjuncture of current
> events, local power is in reactionary hands, whether well-established or
> shaky, or else it has reverted to the forces of a nationalist movement.
> The West invariably opposes such movements. In some manner one ought
> therefore to oppose the real monolithic quality of these Western
> societies--behind their glued-on facades of pluralism--to the genuine
> pluralism of opinion in the peripheral societies of the South and East,
> whose differences are too explosive to be managed by a Western
> democracy.
> 
> Contrary to a tenacious prejudice, the ideologies of national liberation
> movements do not attribute responsibility for their countries'
> situations to external factors. Quite the contrary, the emphasis is
> usually placed on combatting the local forces and ideas that constitute
> the obstacles to progress. But it goes without saying--at least that is
> the general opinion among widely diverse national liberation
> movements--that all progressive movements enter into conflict with
> forces that impose themselves from outside. The world capitalist system
> is therefore not considered to be a neutral or ambiguous factor and a
> fortiori is not positive. [...]
> 
> A humane and progressive response to the problems of the contemporary
> world implies the construction of a popular internationalism that can
> engender a genuinely universalist value system, completing the
> unfinished projects of the Enlightenment and the socialist movement.
> This is the only way to build an effective front against the
> internationalism of capital and the false universalism of its value
> system.
> 
> On the internal level, social alliances which define the content of
> progressive strategies will necessarily produce alternatives for
> different regions. In the West, their bourgeois dimension--based on a
> long history that has led to advanced development--will remain prominent
> for quite a while. This does not preclude progressive socialization of
> the system and, in time, the emergence of the hegemony of the salaried
> strata. In the countries of the East, these alternatives will call for
> the liberation of society from the yoke of statism and a dialogue
> between socialism and capitalism. But in the third world, almost any
> alternative will imply reversal tendencies that are more radical than
> evolutionist, and the outright rejection of bourgeois subalternism. If,
> therefore, one is right to envision the substitution of popular control,
> national and regional, for the bourgeois vision of exclusive control by
> the market, the intense feeling of crisis which this choice implies will
> be more dramatic in the South and East than in the West. Failure to
> recognize this is sure to close off the response of people trapped in
> the hopelessness of antediluvian nationalisms and traditionalisms,
> whether religious or not.
> 
> [...]

-- Amin, Samir; "Empire of Chaos," pp. 27-29; Monthly Review Press, 1992

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u1SG0xd5gg

the scientific dictatorship gathering more Intel on the people
http://thehill.com/policy/technology/221182-fed-backed-twitter-study-draw
s- fire

You're misrepresenting reality on #1010. It's damned both ways. Sniffing
(particular) liars out has become attractive because systematic lying in media
is taken to a whole new level.

> [...] and that the First Amendment means the government has no place in
> the newsroom.

But other cliques do?

One more clique, a less shady and more goofy one at that, can't make it any
worse than it is.

They have gotten to you!

That, or a university-run study with an NSF grant would see the light of day
while Twitter's (and NSA's) internal studies never do.

Dirty deeds
http://thehill.com/policy/technology/221142-facebook-hits-dea-for-fake-
account

Entrapment is an age-old police tactic. "Social media" doesn't change that.
Then there's this:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Big_%28police_procedure%29

It's pretty much certain USG has an army of skiddies kept on leash by that
tactic.

Or how about this:

> During his years as an activist, Amir became friendly with Avishai
> Raviv, to whom he revealed his plan to kill Rabin. While Raviv posed as
> a right-wing radical, he was working for Shin Bet, the Israeli internal
> security service. Some rightists have accused the Shin Bet of having
> orchestrated the assassination to discredit them.

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yigal_Amir

(Actually, it's probable that Peres ordered it.)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw9SvCiJm1k

Savage executions by savages. Executable crimes include "non-violent or 
victimless crimes like adultery, apostasy and witchcraft", "drug 
smuggling or sorcery."

http://news.yahoo.com/saudi-arabia-steps-beheadings-see-political-
message-135614570.html;_ylt=AwrBJR6GKUVUuicAObDQtDMD

Protesting = witchcraft
For that reason I wish all the upheaval and torment upon the rulers of 
Saudi Arabia. 

> Maher: Stephen Harper and the 'merchant of venom'

-- http://o.canada.com/news/party-of-one-harper-and-the-merchant-of-venom

And this is where the venom comes from:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_J._Finkelstein

Jew filth, as usual, bringing decadence everywhere.

Now you know what fueled Canada's recent U-turn.

Re #1017:

None of those are victimless crimes. Except perhaps apostasy and that, too,
depends. I don't agree with beheading as a method of capital punishment,
though. Also, certainly don't agree with killing people for drug smuggling
while governments themselves engage in it. The whole 'war on drugs' thing is
a hypocritical scam.

Capital punishment for adultery is far too excessive. Apostasy as a criminal
title is essentially definining a thought crime. I can understand why the
crumbling belief system of a besieged society feels threatened by it,
nonetheless.

#1018 In America, those attack ads are viewed as "free speech" but only 
for corporations as regular Joe's can't donate endlessly to them.

So a guy named Finkelstein is behind such ads in Canada so they are 
"Jew filth?" What an overly simplistic view! Perhaps you could be 
persuaded to see the ads a different way:

http://www.aapac.org/

#1019 "I can understand why the crumbling belief system of a besieged 
society feels threatened by it, nonetheless."

? 
Please elaborate.

Re #1020:

He is Jew filth because the turn of Canadian politics brought about by these
underhanded methods further serves his Jew-filthy purposes. You need to have
been following that mentioned U-turn to see how it goes.

Primary sign of Jew filth infiltration in a powerful country's politics is
a visible and sudden urge in rulers to lick Israel's anus for no well-defined
strategic or tactical reasons. The turn usually accompanies misleading
rhetoric about how "Western" "values"--typically not even the actual Western
values, rather hollow behavioral trappings--are awesome, the Gog and Magog
are waiting on the other side of the dam, and Jew filth is the only thing
that's keeping the hordes away. All false.

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Re #1021:

Arabs and Iranians (and various other people of the Global South) have been
used on a chessboard by others like the little mindless pawns they--and
general average people anywhere--are for easily 150 years. The number and
strength of tugging forces involved would've torn any less ancient and
coherent cultural fabric apart. It has not managed to fully do so. However,
it has created islets of population without direction and without any sense
of social cohesion. Against these tides, to such populations that have lost
faith in their own cultural continuation, any twig looks like a good thing
to hang on to. Instead of flexible core ideas of identity a variety of petty
details alleviate their continuation anxiety. It's like having an assortment
of measly rods and disparate servos instead of a self-adjusting moral
musclo-skeletal system.

In turn the enemies of these peoples, primary among them Jews, lose no chance
to highlight these details for gain. It provides little mindless pawns in the
West with distraction from largely similar ills of their own daily lives and
further polarizes the target groups. If you suggest here, for example, that
'death for adultery' is excessive today and that the core idea behind is was
ensuring fidelity which no longer applies anyhow given the size of populations
and their distribution--when in history did people live in so many cities of
millions or moved around so easily?--the response you get is that _because_
it is highlighted by the enemies there must be some inherent value to that
penalty which is iring the enemies and that makes it worth applying again.

The House of Saud or some of powerful Iranian clerics may have these
ideologies but the reason they do is how the body of the society responds
favorably to these and perceives the ideologues as furthering social good.
Without the ado and the manipulation reformers would have a much easier time
garnering an attentive populace.

Back when Jefferson wrote of 'meanness and hypocrisy' his plea to reform or
constrain New England's zealots was not hampered by hordes of bought-and-paid
internal traitors; his physical defenses were cocooned between two oceans;
his intentions were not smeared by lying and self-serving expat attack dogs
kept on leash by sworn enemies of the American populace; irrelevant bullshit
and consumer temptation did not take a split second to reach all his audience.
He had it easy. Even his adversaries were more human and had a more
introspective, skeptically-qualified view of their fighting, its necessity,
and its purposes.

Compared to the average American today even Cecil Rhodes was a fine chap.
Maybe... particularly Cecil Rhodes.

re #1022
 Back when Jefferson wrote of 'meanness and hypocrisy' his plea to reform or
 constrain New England's zealots was not hampered by hordes of bought-and-paid
 internal traitors; his physical defenses were cocooned between two oceans;
 his intentions were not smeared by lying and self-serving expat attack dogs
 kept on leash by sworn enemies of the American populace

Tell that to Mercer

Re #1023:

No idea what that means.

#1022 Thank you for the well thought out response. I had to read it 
a couple times to figure out what you were getting at. The Jefferson 
quote actually put it in perspective. 

Jefferson's call for religious freedom was not met with enemies 
because for the vast majority, the appeal of the "new world" (tell 
that to the Native Americans!) *was* religious freedom. There was no 
ACLU, no hordes of secular and atheist shoppers/godless college 
professors. The perspective for most was much much different because 
of the average person's way of life. Primary means of transportation 
was walking and horse. People had to kill an animal or forage for 
grains to eat. No running water or toilets. Hardships make the soul 
humble and because of this I believe is where the appeal of religion 
and religious freedom is rooted from.

With all that in mind I can see why adultery would be met with the 
response. I do not have the perspective or life experience to agree 
but I do understand. 

Re #1025:

> OpEdNews Op Eds 3/8/2006 at 12:54:51
> 
> Moral Endo-skeletons and Exo-skeletons: A Perspective on America's
> Cultural Divide and Current Crisis

-- http://is.gd/F9yWka
-- (redirects to OpEdNews.com)

> Head of Iran's chief clerical body dead at 83

-- http://news.yahoo.com/head-irans-chief-clerical-body-dead-83-074934046.h
tml

Read the comments for a taste of contemporary America.

Where is contemporary Iran commenting?

Plenty on FB and the like. In English, too.

Better yet, learn Persian, other Iranian languages, and Arabic. There's plenty
to read. You don't expect Iranians to comment only in your language, do you?

For an Iranian sort of "social network" start here:

-- http://cloob.com/

For news and discussion:

-- http://www.alef.ir/
-- http://www.tabnak.ir/
-- http://www.sharghdaily.ir/
-- http://www.etemaad.ir/

(Tod's perception of how speech works in the Islamic Republc often cracks me
up.)

Persian-speaking blogosphere is rife with comments, too. I'm often surprised
by how nonchalantly Iranians handle the American venom spat at them. I myself
don't have that manner of generosity and patience. In the meantime, learning
Mandarin and Russian would be nice, too.

"You don't expect Iranians to comment only in your language, do you?"

Absolutely not. My great grandparents did not speak english when they
came  to this country. Their children picked up english on the streets
during the  great depression. We all have to do what he have to. From
what I can tell,  most people who choose to be bilingual do so out of a
need to relate to  their ancestry. Others do so for work. I would not
really gain much by  learning any language other than German or Spanish
for engineering. I do not  plan to move so for right now I'm okay. I
have gone through some Rosetta  Stone disks for German. It was
interesting and I will eventually go through  them all. My dad is
half-German so my last name is Germanic. In the past I  worked for a
German company (8 years). I regretted not knowing their  language. It
would have helped my career and still would because so many  high paying
engineering jobs in Michigan are with German companies.

PS I will check out those links. Thanks.

re #1028
I'm glad to crack you up, my friend :)

I checked out cloob job opportunities.  Colorful to say the least

Web Graphics
Dominate the basics of web pages, fluent in HTML / CSS / JavaScript
In Tehran, welcoming, caring, hard-working, energetic, creative, detailed,
stylish, tasteful, loves design, fast

Expert web developer
Familiarity with PHP, MySQL, HTML, CSS, JavaScript
In Tehran, welcoming, caring, hard-working, intelligent, energetic,
responsible, willing to learn, fast

Expert Mobile Programmer
Fluent in programming Android or IOS
In Tehran, welcoming, caring, hard-working, intelligent, energetic,
responsible, willing to learn, fast, experienced

PR Expert
Dominate the online space equations, familiar with social networking and
electronic publishing environments, associated with paper-based media.
In Tehran, a very good-tempered, high social intelligence, self-confident,
eloquent 

I might make a cloob account and see what's what.  Would be cool maybe..
Couldn't be any worse than ro.netlog.com or twoo.com

Wonder if kittens and bacon photos will get me banned?
http://www.infosecurity.pro/cloobadeh.jpg

Re #1032:

Now show me your VK profile >:-)

What's the strange surname supposed to mean?

I don't think kittens would get you banned. Bacon would probably invite
questions about where you got it:

-- http://www.gourmand.ir/node/109

Here's how to make something bacon-esque with calf meat, without curing salt
which the author warns against because of (naturally) nitrosamines:

-- http://www.shamshiricafe.com/2011/09/blog-post_24.html

re #1033
Surname: Splash

After looking at those links, I'm suddenly craving mediterranean pizza

Re #1034:

Re. 'splash,' I see. Machine--or expat?--translation messed it up a little.
Instead of onomatopoeia for a splash you got one for a drooly round of kisses.
It's the little things that give people away ;-)

On that note, a hippie:

> USAID: A CIA Front 'In Desperate Need of Adult Supervision'
> 
> [...]
> 
> According to a recent article in the The Weekly Standard, in 2009, just
> three years before his capture in Syria, Foley worked for USAID-funded
> development projects in Baghdad. And then in 2011, he "moved to Libya"
> briefly where he was eventually kidnapped and held for over a month.
> Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg writes:
> 
> "This guy has a resume that reads more like a James Bond film script
> than that of a journalist with a teaching background. He works for USAID
> in 2009 in Iraq, then he finds himself kidnapped in Libya two years
> later by Gaddafi forces. Then, after all of this, he finds himself
> captured in Syria, only to be beheaded two years later by ISIS (the
> terror organization funded by our ally Saudi Arabia)."
> 
> What else was James Foley doing for USAID?
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/8Uc5oP
-- (redirects to 21st Century Wire)

Or another hippie...

> SOTLOFF STILL ALIVE [or not]

-- http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2014/09/sotloff-still-alive.html

(I added the note in brackets.)

> "I don't really share my values and opinions," he replied. "I try to
> stay alive." When I suggested that the jig would be up if someone as
> much as Googled his name, he replied simply: "Yeah, Google definitely
> isn't my friend."

-- http://is.gd/RDOrZI
-- (redirects to Politico)

Or he does/did?

> The Muslim Brotherhood's Legitimate Grievances
> 
> Steven Sotloff

-- http://is.gd/0gaFDx
-- (redirects to World Affairs Journal)

The article is undated.

smh

At what?

More Jew rag propaganda? I thought Iran was more progressive than 
this.

"Iran: Motorcycle Acid Gangs 'Terrorising Women' who Break Islamic 
Dress Code"

Demonstrators have gathered outside government buildings in Isfahan 
and Tehran, in protest at the recent spate of acid attacks on women 
in Iran.

Security forces reportedly tried to disperse the demonstration at 
the Iranian parliament building in Isfahan, calling it a "political" 
gathering.

In the past two weeks, a number of women have had sulphuric acid 
thrown on their face and bodies by a group of motorcyclists. It is 
believed the motive of the attacks was to target women who were not 
wearing the Islamic dress code in public places.

At least a dozen women have been attacked with acid in the city of 
Isfahan while at least four women were victims of similar attacks in 
the Iranian capital of Tehran.

One of the women was reportedly warned by an anonymous text message 
that she would be have acid thrown at her if she did not cover up 
properly. The woman was identified only by the name Haniyeh.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/iran-motorcycle-acid-gangs-terrrorising-
women-who-break-islamic-dress-code-1471256

#1037 At the farce. It sickens me.

Re #1038:

Nope, not propaganda. Crimes have nothing to do with "progressivism." Iran
is not more or less "progressive" than anything.

Acid attacks happen in Iran, rarely, and largely out of personal motivations.
Jilted suitors and revenge being the most common ones. Think Lisa Nowak. They
happen on a daily basis in Pakistan and India. In Iran they are far less
common than being killed (lawfully or unlawfully) by the police in the US,
by a factor of perhaps 1 to 100.

The response is indeed orchestrated by Jew rags and consists of these
elements:

1. premature identification of perpetrator ("must be religious
conservatives"),

2. false attribution of motivation ("must be due to how they were dressed and
offended religious sensibilities"),

3. false depiction of social depth ("must be the culture"),

4. public hysteria ("RAAAAAPE!").

---------------------------------------

Now for the facts:

1. Acid attacks against women--women only, because that's what the Western
handlers of Iranian "reforms" have conditioned their audience on--is a chronic
topic in Iranian "reformist" media, only in times there's a "reformist"
president is in power. Under the previous "reformist" administration, Khatami
(1997 - 2005), this exact media parade was conducted.

2. One of the victims in the recent cases was a chador-clad woman. Chador is
that full-length square of cloth they wrap around them and you're told to be
scared of because it's a great place to hide a Kalash. I'll let you infer.

3. A published study [A] of 'acid burn violence in Iran' over a six-year
period (2004 - 2010) found 59 victims presented at an advanced burn treatment
hospital, of whom 51% were male and 49% female. I'll let you infer.

4. The acid attack motif has been amply used by certain people [B] to slander
Iran's 1979 revolution. My parents were there so I know a bit or two about
who is lying. I can inform you that he is a liar. Take of it what you will.

5. Any permanent physical injury is covered in Iran's penal code--backed by
evil evil Shari'a Taqiyya Kitman Burqa Pedophile Terror--under 'qisas'
(retaliation in kind). A victim of acid attack can request the state to cause
the same harm to the perpetrator; or they can forgive the perpetraor. Both
qisas and forgiveness have occurred in past criminal cases. However, bleeding
hearts pointed out the image of the state gouging the eyes of a perpetrator
out is not to the liking of the Western anuses they like to lick. So in a
rather publicized case a victim was pressured, by "human rights" activists,
to forgive, which she did. In response, the Islamic Republic passed a separate
law for acid attacks making them a state-decreed capital offense separate from
application of qisas, removing the victim's choice to forgive.

---------------------------------------

[A] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3293230/

[B] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afshin_Molavi

P.S. The numbers on #1038 are also false.

"the Islamic Republic passed a separate law for acid attacks making 
them a state-decreed capital offense separate from application of 
qisas, removing the victim's choice to forgive."

Forgiveness is free and deterrents are somewhat useful. Can't argue 
with the republic here. 

On a side note, I would find it difficult to drive a motorcycle and 
throw acid at the same time. I'm not coordinated enough to shift gears 
and pull in the clutch and accelerate while throwing acid. That's 
talent!

Qisas is a far more reasonable mechanism for responding to violent crime than
fixed punishments meted out by the state. The choice is given to those truly
grieved and the punishment is to be as close to the crime as possible. The
Islamic Republic's decision to supplement qisas with a fixed punishment is
a PR response to "human rights" asslickers. People who oppose this on
principle are fools or charlatans.

Have a dose of Shari'a:

-- http://quran.com/16/123-128

Must be noted I don't have the grace or forgiveness of Mozzies and American
niggers. Had my atheist fascist notions been current among either group today
there would not be a square inch of the Jew-SA unraked.

'This' in 'oppose this' being retaliation in kind for violent crime.

Ameriicaaa...

> Hundreds protest against Iran acid attacks

-- http://is.gd/I6U29g
-- (redirects to Yahoo News)

Try comments again, for another taste of contemporary America. Ignorance,
utter stupidity, and sheer psychopathic malice. What a grand cocktail have
Jews mixed. No wonder they get to throw their weight around.

How idiotic these Iranians who play into those filthy hands.

#1046 You are condemning protesters who are outraged by crime? 

Let's just say that the issue is small and they are overreacting. Does 
that mean the protesters are really bad people or "idiotic?"

PS I was denied access to the comments. "Sorry, we are having trouble 
connecting right now. Please try again."

Re #1047:

The issue is not that they react; rather how they react. Correct reaction:
they should work harder, demand and give out fewer bribes, blunt their greed,
delay their gratification, make a more prosperous country with better
education and more humane public atmosphere, and raise their children well
so in the future there will be fewer perpetrators.

These types also "protest" low wages for labor. Then when they hire a day
laborer to do a job at their home they do all they can to cut the fellow's
pay. My "protest" to low wage is to pay any laborer I hire more than he
expects, and then some if he does a good job. Let him negotiate with the next
one knowing his work is worth more.

Protest? Whom are they protesting at? What are their demands? What can be
changed about this matter? Who can enact such changes? What are the photo ops
for? What response does it attract from the Western gallery of psychopaths,
charlatans, and fools at a critical juncture of their country's history? Why
is there a hysteria only when "social media" tells them "dozens of women" have
been attacked? Where are these ignorant fools when sly economic and political
tweaks are slipped into their country's culture, economy, and governance?
(Answer to last question: they're idly scratching their butts at those times,
watching Beyonce's latest. I'm not exaggerating.)

Reality check: 4 women; more men are subject to this type of attack than
women, perennially; the number and importance of these attacks pale against
other instances of violent crime in Iran, such as armed robbery; Iran was and
remains (until these idiots finally get their ways) one of world's safe
countries with a low rate of violent crime _despite_ a growing culture of
shamelessness, daylight thuggery, and insatiable greed--all driven by
imperatives of neoliberal global expansion--among not-so-distant relatives
of these same fools.

The feeble-minded tools who today demand "strong government response to
violence" will tomorrow be driven by the same CIA-run "social media" to
protest the hanging of a violent criminal because--of course!--little bobo
has no fault. "The society made him so." If you want an analogue these idiots
are the soda-tax "liberals" of Iran. In case of the US soda-tax "liberals"
are of much less import but the Iranian ones are essential to Western PR.
That's why they're wagged every so often.

(Sometimes I wonder if there's any sense to caring about a nation that doesn't
think, much less care, about itself. It's kind of like having co-dependence
on a drug addict.)

re #1035
 Instead of onomatopoeia for a splash you got one for a drooly round of
kisses.
 It's the little things that give people away ;-)

Smooches

Re #1049:

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ao9D8rctsM

Time for... Jew logic (and Jew loyalty):

> Election 2014: Your vote counts on whether Iran will go nuclear
> 
> It's become obvious in the US-Iran negotiations that the US
> administration will not stop Iran from going nuclear. Only Congress can.
> And you will elect Congress.
> 
> [...]
> 
> A nuclear Iran would endanger Israel, thus dramatically increasing that
> country's willingness to launch a preemptive attack on Iran. This could
> easily trigger a massive conventional war in the Middle East that would
> make this past summer's 50-day war between Israel and Hamas look like
> child's play.
> 
> [...]

-- http://www.ijn.com/editorial/4996-election-2014-vote-counts-iran-nuclear

There's an idiom for that here: "nurturing vipers in your own sleeve."

Jews vote for Jewistan. That's their job in the Jew-SA. WASPs should send them
all to the Promised Land then?

"Sometimes I wonder if there's any sense to caring about a nation 
that 
doesn't think, much less care, about itself. It's kind of like 
having 
co-dependence on a drug addict."

FWIW I feel like this too. The irony is (at least for myself) the 
lefties who take on leftist causes are usually most likely to be the 
most drastically effected when their social cause of the moment 
turns 
into government overreach via taxes and brute force. 

#1051 The only thing I'm irritated about after reading half (that 
was all I could take) of that editorial: making every American 
politician blindly swear allegiance to Israeli causes. When I swear 
allegiance I first ask myself if the relationship is mutually 
beneficial. Is it for America? Is it for the politician? What have 
you done for me baby? WHY do I have to buy birthday presents for my 
brother's kids when he buys none for my kid? He doesn't even show up 
to the party!? 

Um, Jews vote, pay, and pull strings for Izzy. That's where their loyalty is.
Politicians want votes, money, and manipulation to get into or stay in power.
Jews are extremely overrepresented in the US, in every respect, so politicians
know which hands they have to kiss. It is beneficial for the politicians
involved.

That's the "symbiosis" of Izzy and America. All other land patches of Middle
East are similarly, possibly more, useful as imperial footholds as far America
is concerned. That particular patch is colonized by an overrepresented
disloyal minority that change American politics from within.

"Jews make up 2.2 percent of the American population, a percentage that 
has held steady for the past two decades. The survey estimates there 
are 5.3 million Jewish adults as well as 1.3 million children being 
raised at least partly Jewish.
Poll Shows Major Shift in Identity of U.S. Jews - NYTimes.com
www.nytimes.com/.../us/poll-shows-major-shift-in-ide...The New York 
Times"

2.2%. Pandering to 2.2% is quite foolish IMO. Not enough gravy to cover 
even part of the potatoes. 

1. An awful lot of money,
2. mostly ill-gained,
3. is in a tiny number of hands,
4. disproportionately those of Jews,
5. at an even larger disproportion in the Jew-SA.

The following is about billionaires with nuggets about multimillionaires and
millionaires. The next tier is > 250K USD/year earners and those matter, too.

With the right bankrolling instrumentation Ellison alone can buy and sell all
of US Congress. Murdoch alone can guarantee the ascent or descent of any
public figure.

Furthermore, these imperatives are not at odds with general
neo{liberal,conservative} imperatives and other pushers of "[Kissinger's]
world order." They mostly align. Likewise, the Evangelical business not only
does not clash with these but also puts more wind in their sails. It has
successfully rewritten Christianity times over--one more time over the last
three decades didn't cost it any and put it in mutual service with
neo{liberal,conservative} camps as it fought the socialist-leaning liberation
theology and other anti-colonial religious forces of the Global South.

> Forbes Israel boasts of power of Jewish billionaires
> 
> The illustration is the cover of Forbes Israel. The date is April 2013.
> It just hit the net. The title is "The Billionaires."  The banner on the
> right says, "Special Edition, 165 Jewish billionaires, 17 Israelis, 16
> [Jewish] women, 812 cumulative billions (of billionaires wealth)."
> 
> That's 165 out of a total of 1426 billionaires in the world, or 11%. One
> of us (Phil) likes to write about the new position of Jews
> sociologically: and out of the 50 richest people in the world, about a
> quarter are Jewish. Most of those Jewish billionaires appear to be
> American, though this is an Israeli publication.
> 
> [...]

-- http://mondoweiss.net/2013/04/forbes-jewish-billionaires
+
-- http://www.jspace.com/news/articles/the-jewish-billionaires-of-forbes/80
44
+
-- http://politicsinn.com/48-percent-of-u-s-billionaires-are-jewish/

Did I mention cryptology and domination or infiltration of
intelligence/security apparatus for a considerable period of time mean you
can blackmail and/or bribe probably any politician?

Or that high-level involvement with "defense" industries of the West means
a whisper from you could be worth a few milllion votes?

With a population of 8 million Izzy sold 773 million USD of weapons in 2013
(while needing to be bankrolled at American expense to the tune of 500 million
in just one "war" in 2014?!). By comparison, Russia sold 8283 million USD with
a population of 143 million. That is, per capita Izzy sells somewhat less than
twice Russia's per capita sales in weapons; and Russia is the world's top
exporter of arms by dollar value. The US provided at least 2 billion USD of
military aid to Izzy in the same year...

There is one Jew hater that has repeatedly escaped political 
correctness even many many years after his death - Henry Ford. I just 
saw this today:
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/retail/2014/10/23/shinola-
makes-henry-ford-pocket-watch/17811193/

Henry Ford is continually revered and the media does not enforce PC. 
Honestly up until maybe 6 or 7 years ago I didn't know that Ford 
published the International Jew, supported nazis and got a medal from 
the Germans before WWII. I do admire him tremendously but i see the Jew 
hatred as ignorance and a major character flaw. 

Well, if you don't see the differences we can wait for a time you will.

Where moneyed minorities get you:

> Lost in the debate about Raji's origins is the question of whether--be
> she Iranian-American or Indian-American--she has any qualifications to
> be ambassador to Sweden. Her bio on the White House website betrays
> none. A former investment banker, California-based Raji served as
> national vice-chair of finance, and she was one of the top bundlers who
> raised millions for Obama's presidential campaign in 2012.

--
http://qz.com/286962/this-is-how-the-media-turned-an-iranian-into-an-indian
/

LOL.

http://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2014/09/18/chimpanzees-born-killers-say
s-n
ew-study/

> [...] and the old fellow loved a joke better than a good dinner

Hey tod, check Iran news. See how what Khamenei months ago said came true?
"Once the nuclear clamor dies down they will be moving on to the governance
of this country."

Opinions? Whose script was this from? Who benefts from continued provocation
of Iran and who controls the media?

Are the acid attacks on improperly veiled women part of that government
control or a diversion?  I would say the media is controlled from within
since the propaganda machine to divert attention from the foreign policy
aspects seems to be working.

Re #1063:

There's no such thing as 'acid attacks on improperly veiled women.' Been
discussed here. Non-existent. False.

The spinning is occurring elsewhere:

-- https://twitter.com/Irpoliticalpris/status/522093783463120896

Those are MEK. Who enables MEK? Is the IRI response to any move from or
associated with MEK fully understood or not?

re #1064
Is there such thing as rape?
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/breaking-iran-executes-reyhaneh-jabbari-26-year-ol
d-w
oman-who-killed-her-rapist-1471698

Re #1065:

False news. You get your news from all the wrong places. That's exactly what
I asked of you: why are these lies being spread?

1. Negative rape kit.

2. She alleges attempted rape. No evidence of rape exists.

3. Prosecution included evidence that she had purchased the instrument of
murder--a large kitchen knife--two days prior and texted a friend three days
prior about the intent to murder. The knife did not belong anywhere in or
around the scene of crime.

4. The story given by Amnesty and HRW is simply impossible in Iranian context.
You don't have 19-year-old girls working as indepedent interior designers,
meeting clients in cafes no less. The most likely course of events is that
she was a prostitute who decided to murder her client.

5. The victim was stabbed multiple times the back while she claims
self-defense.

6. Are you insane? What benefit would it have to the state to punish a victim?
This case had already been festering for 7 years.

So, back to the question: why are these lies being spread in chorus?

Why do you not have 19 year old girls working as independent interior
designers?

re #1067
They are working as prostitutes - that's why! :)

Re #1067:

The social structure doesn't permit such thing. Younger men and women tend
to need a much higher amount of rapport to be able to work independently. The
usual course of a youth's life goes through either university and a 4-year
degree through which they both age and attain a piece of paper seen as proof
of their relevance (credentialist mores), or through a number of low-status
jobs working for someone else well into their 30's. Exceptions to this are
rare and of those exceptions the absolute majority are nurtured by family.

You won't see any 19-year-olds in this country running a freelance business
in cities. Particularly not any women. If it's a man he could be running a
very low-status sort of such, doing unskilled or semi-skilled manual labor.
If you see a very "independent"-spirited working woman of such age around here
you can safely bet you've found yourself the enterprising young prostitute.

There is also the economic structure hindering such thing. Labor is divided
between a large, ineffective informal economy (which mostly evades tax) and
a bloated, inefficient formal economy. The informal economy is mostly
family-run and involves hereditary agricultural or husbandry work or
mercantile works (which is a nice way to say they're opportunistic buyers and
sellers). Both require long periods of "apprenticeship"--essentially informal
indentured servitude, within a traditional family or clan-type strcuture--to
attain the means and room in the market to work. The formal economy is mainly
state-run or tied to rent seekers, is highly credentialist, and has a large
pool of applicants with 4-year or higher degrees to choose from. A 4-year
degree puts the applicant at 22 or higher when starting work.

There's no clean, non-shady launchpad job to make a young person indepedendent
or at least less needy while they get ready for a professional job. The
(extended) family is that launchpad, always. There's no 'working retail' or
'working as a waiter/waitress/"barista".' The equivalent of 'working retail'
in terms of pay is tough, masculine labor in an extremely sleazy informal
mercantile sector. Recently the option is open to females in that status of
doing hospitability jobs. Those are far from being seen (and compensated) as
"real jobs" and far from being common either.

Not that this has any bearing on the other facts of this case.

Personal trivia: the current chairman of society of earthquake engineering
in a Scandinavian country is a man my mother helped support through that
4-year supportless phase of youth, being his aunt. An example of how that
works here. A very common pattern of support coming from parents and if they
fail to do so from family beyond them, seen as a duty. If you don't have the
(extended) family you're very much screwed.

Er, hospitality job.

#1069 Interesting portrait of work life. We can see much of what you 
described (apprenticeship with families) among immigrant groups in 
America. It is a superior system IMO because it's mutually 
beneficial to the person working their way up in the world and the 
family that is helping. That type of arrangement existed with the 
early colonists here. Families working together in farms and other 
enterprises (country store, blacksmith shop, textiles, etc.) 
Neighbors helping raise and burn barns and so on. It was after WWII 
when industrialization and consumerism fully took hold and the focus 
on the individual aka individualism became the mantra. 

What happens to the interior designers once they reach an age where 
their service is not desirable or appealing?

Re #1071:

Those older forms of social organization are juxtaposed in Iran with newer
forms without much scaffolding, creating a ruthless environment for young
people.

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> What happens to the interior designers once they reach an age where
> their service is not desirable or appealing?

If that's about actual interior designers, there is social security for them.
Once they're old they retire and this:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_Organization_(Iran)

pays them a pension based on their payments into the system and other factors
written into labor law.

I believe it's going to be insolvent soon enough, though. Sounds familiar?

Same link as #1072, because Backtalk apparently likes to botch the closing
parenthesis:

-- http://is.gd/6fWcpq

Oops, found another whore:

> The Exiled Heart: A New York Times Correspondent's Story of Fleeing Iran
> with Her Family

-- http://is.gd/A6MHiI
-- (redirects to Vogue)

Compare that whore to this woman with an actual career:

> This Iranian Photographer is Tired of Explaining Life in Iran

-- http://is.gd/HSjWZk
-- (redirects to the New Republic)

Always baffles me how many whores of both sexes Iran manages to produce.

#1072 I meant the prostitutes. 

That's nice that there's a security for retirees there. As far as 
insolvencies are concerned, our entire government system is insolvent. 
Try tell that to anyone here though and it's fighting words. People are 
stubborn and ignorant. They don't want to hear negative news. It's 
unAmerican. *rolls eyes*

> Always baffles me how many whores of both sexes Iran manages to produce.

Really? The last sentence you wrote in 1069 seems to explain very clearly how
Iran manages.

False flags attacks almost always follow emergency drills. 
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1039198/pg1

Re #1076:

> Really? The last sentence you wrote in 1069 seems to explain very
> clearly how Iran manages.


By being a traditional society in transition?

Did North America produce whores in droves as it transitioned to modernity?

In this specific case, did you notice the traitorous whore in question is
actually an upper middle class woman whose rent-seeking family "fled" (read:
left of their own volition) the country with considerable sums gleaned from
corruption under pre-revolution governments to live in luxury abroad?

My personal hypothesis involves easy oil money allowing the country to afford
80 years of autocracy on part of the elite; rent seeking and graft on part
of upper and middle classes; undue expectations for making it big quick and
corresponding small-scale corruption on part of the up-and-coming lower
classes. I think oil has been a plague for Iran.

(If unclear, I didn't use whore in the sexual sense. I have a wee bit of
sympathy for people who sell their bodies out of necessity, or even out of
plain greed. It's a sort of honest work. More respectable than financial work
in which I engage at times.)

A brief return to the question tod evaded: why are lies being spread about
Iran? Who funds the lying? What are the motives?

re #1079
 A brief return to the question tod evaded: why are lies being spread about
 Iran? Who funds the lying? What are the motives?

You answered that in 1078: "I think oil has been a plague for Iran."
I would expand on that: Oil has been a plague to mankind.
I lectured my son at length this weekend about the evils of oil.  I should
like to live to see the day oil is irrelevant to world affairs.
I realize you'd like to hear me blame Jews for Iran's troubles which can
be done but it simplifies things too easily.  Iran has all sorts of enemies
and issues does it not.

Re #1080:

True truths are not complete, revealing truths. Generalities are cheap.
Specific mechanisms are at work which make one thing lead to another and some
of those mechanisms are known. I named a few and hoped you would in honesty
name a few more. Oh well.

Oil certainly is not the only cause and even oil as a cause has nuances. For
example, Iran's oil is not what it's cracked up to be. It's a fast dwindling
resource with an underfunded exploitation industry that is quite likely to
go bankrupt in near future. And, of course, Iran has many enemies and
problems. Everybody and everything has many enemies and problems. One part
of the task of understanding is enumerating and ordering these. Which is more
damaging and which is less. Not to mention, people's objectives in such
evaluations vary. Someone may be intent on inflicting more damage while
someone else may want to prevent, mend, and improve.

Regardless, the questions were quite specific. Someone is spreading falsities
to paint Iran negatively for problems it does not have (versus all the
problems it does have, many of those mirroring the problems of other
countries, which take libraries to explain and understand). This is done on
purpose and in an orchestrated manner. No doubt about that. So the question
was of who and why.

Now back to Jew filth occupation of the West, bringing to you the Jew
Occupation Governments of Everyfuckingwhere:

> Missile boat crisis ends as Germany gives Israel $382 million discount
> 
> Agreement is a reversal of Berlin's earlier decision to withhold the
> discount because of Israel's settlement construction.

-- http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.621447

So, how much has been spent so far on containing ebola? Any figures?

U.S. CDC says returning Ebola medical workers should not be quarantined

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/27/us-health-ebola-usa-newyork-
idUSKBN0IG12920141027

re #1081
 Specific mechanisms are at work which make one thing lead to another and some
 of those mechanisms are known. I named a few and hoped you would in honesty
 name a few more. Oh well.

What can I possible contribute?  Schlessinger?  Kissinger?
German Jews in the public eye?

Re #1084:

Comments on how seemingly diverse media can be orchestrated like this would
be interesting. Liaisons? Direct bribes? Perks? Blackmail?

Also, an admission that I am neither insane nor struck by a mental
illness--"anti-Semitism is a mental illness" is the new bullshit meme--or a
character flaw would work. (I'm sure I have an array of character flaws. This
isn't one of them.)

re #1085
 Comments on how seemingly diverse media can be orchestrated like this would
 be interesting. Liaisons? Direct bribes? Perks? Blackmail?



    "US government, pissed we were publishing our story, tried to 
     undermine us by leaking it to other news organization right before 
     we published"
          - jeremy scahill (@jeremyscahill) August 5, 2014
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140805/11295828116/nearly-40-those-gov
ernm
ents-terrorist-watchlist-have-no-affiliation-with-recognized-terrorism-groups.
shtml

 In 1917, Congressman Oscar Calloway documented in the official 
Congressional record that multi-millionaire JP Morgan had infiltrated 
the U.S. media for the sole purpose of exploiting and controlling it. 
Morgan hired twelve of the top news managers to help him determine the 
most influential newspapers in America. The idea was to find the primary 
key news institutions that other news outlets looked to and were thus 
influenced by. (This is documented in the official U.S. Record, volume 
54, dated February 9, 1917.) 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqfQ6JW-OTM

Re #1086:

Nice links. Have mine:

-- http://www.historyisaweapon.com/

#1085 I'm the one who said it is a character flaw (regarding Henry 
Ford). I might add the word "dangerous" between character and flaw. 

To your question about bribes, blackmail, etc. it is almost impossible 
to know without admissions. We can only guess. Guessing and broad-
brushing. Fruitless. 

Some of the Jew connections you make I have no arguments for. There 
certainly are connections. There are many powerful Jews. But adding 
intent or grand schemes is a stretch IMO unless there is evidence and 
even then it's not a Jewish thing - it's an evil schemer at play. 

Re #1088:

I recall that you did. I would want its rejection from tod, not from you ;-)

I think the existence and behavior of Israel is more than enough evidence.
Importantly, Iran does not have and has never had any irreconcilable
differences with the West and with the US in particular other than over
Israel. USG has known quite well all along that it could run its Imperial
business through IRI officials all the same. The fact that for three decades
Iran has been portrayed as a no-no of American foreign policy makes no sense
without the other fact that Iran will never recognize Israel and that Iran's
ascendance will cut Israel's lifeblood off quite fast.

It's beyond bizarre that Iran would be in the position that Israel should be.
It's Israel that has

1. stolen and diverted nuclear material; 

2. misled highest US officials about its nuclear activities;

3. enlisted services of the US and France against their NPT obligations;

4. developed nuclear weapons;

5. instated an apartheid regime; 

6. murdered thousands of non-combatants; 

7. invaded several countries, unprovoked multiple times; 

8. taken overt pride in wetwork on many countries' soil;

9. disregarded more UNSC and UNGA resolutions than any other country.

Where is the NATO bombing of Israel? It makes no sense at all to not only not
have one but also for NATO countries to protect and further supply Israel at
their own expense with no prospect of reimbursement.

Tod is going to interject here with House of Saud or, more recently, AKP as
other movers and shakers behind the Iran fiasco. I personally think he knows
quite well the opinion of US establishment of these two. They're seen as
clownish clients, not movers. Israel is the one that US politicians--POTUS,
senators, congresspersons, all the way down to city mayors--try to prove their
ass-kissing credentials to. It's on behalf of Israel that a large fraction
of US population deliver delirious sermons. It's Israel that most Europeans
greatly resent but their supposed "democratic" representations act servile
towards. The whole spectacle is grotesque.

None of this makes sense without the assumption that Jews have special levers
controlling all these governments.

re 1089
It might be simpler than Jews having special levers.  Perhaps it is overt
prejudice against non-Judeo Christians by the USA and Israel.  Unless
there is more positive portrayal on the silver screen and television
for Muslims then I don't see the simpleton prejudices going away.  FOX
News is simply an outlet for racists and bigots.  Americans thrive on
the "us versus them" mentality.  
http://www.gallup.com/poll/125312/religious-prejudice-stronger-against-musl
ims
.aspx

Very few Americans are going to listen to history and logic to build the
case for accepting its prejudice against other religions.  There has
to be some Muslim super heroes and some Muslim politicians and some
Muslim actors who are the best and transcend the status quo.  Until then,
Jews are simply 1/2 Christians in the eyes of most Americans.  Muslims
are lucky to be 15% American in the eyes of American bigots.

Re #1090:

I don't buy that. Ignorance in itself doesn't produce negative prejudice. Name
the 'Nacirema' people to the average American and they won't have any
particular reaction. The negative prejudice was created and fostered on
purpose so as to produce the circular logic of intractability. It goes like
this:

> A: Why do you say Iran is Chaotic Evil?
> 
> B: Because Iran did X.
> 
> A: X is well explained by facts Y1, ..., Yn.
> 
> B: Iran didn't do it because of those.
> 
> A: Why not?
> 
> B: Because Iran is Chaotic Evil.

The sentiments you portray were produced on purpose among Americans, by media,
on the orders of someone(s). You know better than I do 'simpleton prejudice'
is not driving the gears inside the Beltway; nor any of the workings in the
halls of Western powers. A combination of interests and plans require cover
stories. For the cover stories to seem plausible a narrative is created. The
narrative, which you just cited, is not spontaneous.

So, questions are:

1. What plans?

2. What objectives?

3. Whose objectives?

4. At what costs?

5. At whose expense?

6. Is (5) paying (4) the same as (3)?

7. If 'no' to (6), how come?

re #1091
 The sentiments you portray were produced on purpose among Americans, by
 media, on the orders of someone(s).

I grew up with walkman in Detroit.  Prejudice and ignorance are simply what
people carry with them against the minorities who "talk funny" and don't
"do church."

If there is a Jew conspiracy to make people bigots rather than simply a
buttload of bigots who make it profitable to perpetrate the ignorance then
WHY?  What is to be gained?

The orders to the media to perpetrate the lies are a vicous circle. They
give the viewers what they're willing to watch and the advertisers
pay for the ratings to stick their crummy product commercials in 
between.

See, I think you and I have the same question but approach it differently
based on our assumptions.

Re #1092:

> If there is a Jew conspiracy to make people bigots rather than simply a
> buttload of bigots who make it profitable to perpetrate the ignorance
> then WHY?  What is to be gained?

I wouldn't say what you started the sentence with is the case. People anywhere
are susceptible to being misled. Maybe many are even happy to get a simple
color-me version of events that they can judge easily. So the potential for
such outcomes is there, as you say. I don't argue against that.

The real curiosity is _who_ this potential is used for or against. The pattern
is that this potential is used in the West for the West--which is
understandable, everyone is self-serving--and in service of Jews. There are
grey targets like India or China where people's capacity to buy simple stories
is not heavily used. In the past 'Red' China was a target for known and
unknown reasons. This has been toned down to a great degree with occasional
flare-ups depending on security and economical situation. Some would say if
not for involvement of Western Big Capital with China it still would have to
be painted 'red.'

And for some decades now there are other 'red' targets: Iran and specific Arab
groups.

Again, Israel is a minuscule country. It has a troublesome existence (and
dubitable future) that no one in their right mind would try to justify, much
less laud. To go against all reason and do so requires strong incentives.
These incentives are not in Israel's profitability to the West at large. I
think it's been quite clear that Israel is a liability and no gain.

The Jew conspiracy is in selling to the public a liability as a source of gain
and doing so to such degree that US politicians from the top to the bottom
dare not speak against it in public. The visible courtesy extended to Jews
in the West is itself a major curiosity. Before you go again attributing this
to "Judeo-Christian" identity remember that Jews were the misfits of the West
until quite recently and the "Judeo-Christian" amalgamation is very much an
Anglo-American thing. The rebranding must have been on purpose. Meanwhile,
in Continental Europe such rebranding could not and has not taken place. Of
utmost importance is that the deference of politicians is to pillars of power
(wealth, violence, rhetoric), not to shared identity.

What is to be gained? Existence and continuation of Israel. If the 1:3 dual
citizens of Israel are any indicator Jews very much dig it and have no regard
for the actual owners of the place. They are neither repentant for the past
nor conciliatory about present affairs and they believe subversion of the
West's Imperial instruments to serve their pet project is a Good Thing.

Importantly, and this may serve Dan Cross' brand of ignorance a bit, there
are differences between:

1. colonialism (of which the global, long-distance form has been perpetrated
only by Europe),

2. neocolonialism (which does not involve intended population displacements),

3. imperialism (which is the oldest variant of meddling with
self-determination and, at smaller geographic ranges, indistinguishable from
what is called national rule).

The West has largely given up on colonialism. Imperialism in turn can be seen
as a usual game of rulers-and-ruled where the Empire, even with (or perhaps
because of) its global reach, can be forced to take some responsibility like
any sovereign. These two trends make neocolonialism more tolerable, perhaps
even desirable in some regions. Again, the comparison can be made with any
sovereign.

Jews' subversion of the Empire clearly goes against both of these trends. It
uses the harshest instruments of a neocolonial Empire to hold together an
oldschool colony _and_ subverts the Empire's sense of responsibility in ways
that cannot be justified except by pointing a damning finger at Jews.

This lack of justification is the crux of what attracts the ire of quite a
few people around the world against the Empire.

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> The orders to the media to perpetrate the lies are a vicous circle. They
> give the viewers what they're willing to watch and the advertisers pay
> for the ratings to stick their crummy product commercials in  between.

Sure thing. Once the seeds are planted they grow. That's why the initial
choice of whom and how to demonize is crucial. Once the memes are out they
easily draw material from the mis/disinformation environment and replicate
on their own.

However, as I already wrote, the issue is not the public's notions. The
public's notions are a symptom of the elite's will. When I see the negative
propaganda I don't lament that someone will think negatively of Iran. I think
instead that a tiny number of someones ("leadership") are running a plan
against Iran and have to give the public a cover story. The questions all
regard those movers and shakers, not the misled public.

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> See, I think you and I have the same question but approach it
> differently based on our assumptions.

Perhaps. Clearing that up is the purpose of this correspondence.

#1092 "If there is a Jew conspiracy to make people bigots rather 
than simply a buttload of bigots who make it profitable to 
perpetrate the ignorance then WHY?  What is to be gained?"

Why did the Catholic Church keep the mass in Latin for hundreds of 
years and forbid translation? Why does our government produce 
cointel? Why are there political commercials with misinformation? 
Why is Monsanto against GMO labeling? Chinese internet controls?

If people are ignorant and believe your lies you can _control_ them. 
In each demographic there are ads and media programs that exist to 
sell more products. This is not a Jew conspiracy but it's the way 
things have worked throughout written history. 

Re #1094:

Every you-can-control-them scheme has beneficiaries. There are people who run
any given racket and they are responsible for it. Rackets don't run
themselves.

Were Kermit Roosevelt and Dulles controlled by Jews?

#1095 Yes

#1096 ? I think Kermit Roosevelt was controlled by daddy issues, booze 
and mental illness. 

John Dulles was the controller, not the controlled! Although one could 
make the argument that he answered to others, including Jews.

-- http://i.imgur.com/hT9tQ6C.jpg

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lr4mI26c-Y

Re #1096:

I don't know. Probably not. Jews didn't have the position they have today 80
years ago. Nor 50 years ago. I'm not selling theories of Eternal Jew here.
I'm talking about concrete matters.

Every rafflesia blooms one day and withers another.

Did Disraeli do Jews a few favors in British politics of his day?

Jews were lower on the rung in Brit politics.  A seat at the table if they
played by Queensberry Rules.

Indeed. Anglos brought them into the game. 150 years later; have they handled
the power well? I see a sort of anaphylactic response here.

Uncle Eli strikes again:

> The Real Reason Iran Killed This Woman for Defending Herself
> 
> The execution of Reyhanneh Jabbari has brought worldwide condemnation of
> the Tehran regime. But the critics may be missing the real story.
> 
> by Eli Lake
> 
> [from Comments section]
>
> She committed a premeditated murder and tried to defame her victim
> (stabbed the man with whom she had previous intimate  relations from
> behind and with a knife she had bought earlier). If the Iranian system
> wanted her dead she would have been dead years ago and not hanged after
> a seven year lengthy procedure. The garbage piece presented as a "news
> article" is scandalously one-sided.
> 
> If you had real humanitarian concerns you would gone first to your
> corrupt Saudi friends who chop off heads with swords as the execution
> method, just like their fellow Salafist-Jihadist brothers in ISIS. The
> Saudi's will behead you (usually in public) if they catch you with even
> 10 grams of heroin, for example.
> 
> The hypocrisy by these paid guys in press is really stomach turning.

-- http://is.gd/R9zbsq
-- (redirects to The Daily Beast)

It's a Jews' world! Lie, lie, and then lie some more. The bigger, the more,
the better. It takes a minute to tell a lie once you're in the right place;
a day to debunk it. You can't possibly lose.

O'Reilly thinks Stalin killed Patton.  Actually, O'Reilly thinks many folks
were assassinated for being "no spin."  I wonder how long before O'Reilly
tries to stage his own failed assassination?

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/09/bill-oreillys-ludicous-claim-joseph-stali
n

With words that tenuous it's hard to believe he himself believes it.

re #1105
He uses very loose innuendo.  His strongest thread is the rumor that 
Patton drank a thimble full of vodka every night thus wasn't prone
to a blood clot.

Wikipedia names congestive heart failure as mechanism of death. That doesn't
even need clotting and alcohol consumption would only worsen the proximate
causes. Should people expect Bill O'Reilly to know sclerotic etiologies of
heart failure from others?

-- http://is.gd/4vsYsw

(To be honest, I looked for the survey itself and couldn't find it. Could
equally likely be filed under American liberal lies even if the point of a
need for proper education is fair.)

You have a John Bolton in your soup, Sir Mister walkman:

> Washington Must Not Ignore Iran's Threat Against Camp Liberty
> 
> by AMIR BASIRI  30 Oct 2014, 2:10 AM PDT
> 
> [...]
> 
> In tandem with the increase of its violent activities in Iraq, the
> Iranian regime has also increased the pace of its perpetual campaign of
> persecution and harassment against members of the opposition group
> Peoples Mojahedin Organization of Iran, residing in Camp Liberty, Iraq.
> 
> The PMOI is the main opposition group to the Iranian regime and has for
> decades been aiming at dislodging the ruling mullahs and establishing a
> secular and democratic government. The PMOI is the party that first
> unveiled Irans illicit nuclear program and has published valuable
> documents pertaining to the meddling of the Iranian regime in Iraq.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/LzUDXl
-- (redirects to Breitbart)

Want to bet on which way the army of ignorant, easily-led fools known as the
Tea Party will go in 2016? ;-)

Camp Liberty, formerly Camp Ashraf, home to mujah.... I mean, freedom
fighters. Neocons love irony.

#1108 "Tea Party" began as a libertarian movement. It has been 
distorted by the media and usurped by neocons. I have no defense for 
any attributions to tea party activities, voices, etc. because "Tea 
Party" is nebulous just like "terrorist" or "Jew".  

"ignorant, easily-led fools known as ______" - fill in the blank
Lots of ignorant, easily-led people around the world from every 
religion, political party, activist group, gender, etc. 

PS To your "ignorant" and "easily led" - CBS did a poll of self-
identifying "Tea Party" people and found:

They are better educated than most Americans: 37 percent are college 
graduates, compared to 25 percent of Americans overall. They also 
have a higher-than-average household income, with 56 percent making 
more than $50,000 per year.

Nearly three in four describe themselves as conservative, and 39 
percent call themselves very conservative. Sixty percent say they 
always or usually vote Republican. Forty percent say the United 
States needs a third party, while 52 percent say it does not.

They are more likely than American adults overall to attend 
religious services weekly (38 percent do so) and to call themselves 
evangelical (39 percent). Sixty-one percent are Protestant, and 
another 22 percent are Catholic.

More than half -- 58 percent -- keep a gun in the household. 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tea-party-supporters-who-they-are-and-
what-they-believe/

Re #1109:

> PS To your "ignorant" and "easily led" - CBS did a poll of
> self-identifying "Tea Party" people and found: [...]

The unfortunate reality is that being educated doesn't compel a person to look
for the mechanisms of what they find wrong with the world.

I think the uniting factor of Tea Party was and remains discontent.
Malcontents are easy to lead on because seeking the detailed why's and how's
of discontent is harder than believing catch-all's like "it is the
government's fault." While dissatisfaction with status quo is certainly the
gateway to a liberated mind it is not also the path to such liberation. In
fact, a generalized disaffection is one of the most powerful weapons in the
arsenal of fascist opinion leaders. As a fascist, I would know ;-)

Regarding [American] libertarianism I believe similar criticism applies. In
particular there's a utopian sentiment common among believers about the
practical outcomes of libertarian ideologies coupled with a tendency to brush
aside negatives that can easily be reasoned for from the same premises.
There's this sense that "if only this and that were fixed the world would
become a great place [or the best place it can be]" and that's lethal.
Underlying it all there's the idea that every problem can be solved and every
solution will look simple. On Agora item #7, post #787 you can see that type
of sloppy analysis at work.

I find this highly relevant:

> Q: Are beautiful, elegant or simple equations more likely to be true?

-- http://is.gd/3s6jPi
-- (redirects to AskAMathematician.com)

(If you asked the physicists at Argonne that question I imagine they'd give
you pained looks.)

What is more dangerous than a malcontent? People who blindly follow and 
accept what they are told. On the scale of intelligence, questioning 
things is higher than bumbling along like a mindless fool. 

None of the great men in history just accepted things around them or 
what they were told. 

"a utopian sentiment common among believers about the practical 
outcomes of libertarian ideologies"
No liberal or conservative has the same problem right? Utopian 
sentiment? I could dedicate my life to picking that apart if the 
outcome was attractive. 

Re #1111:

> What is more dangerous than a malcontent?

A malcontent is not above being a mindless fool solely thanks to their
disaffection. That was my point. Discontent is not a virtue in and of itself.
Gauged radical thinking is. Asking questions is vital. Seeking answers in
honesty even more so. (With the caveat that any honest search will most likely
yield more questions.)

Bit of microhistory here. You often see these days the beard-fear among
Western elites. Not one appears in public with so much as a stubble. A beard
is a code of "backwardness." Even our self-professedly "enlightened" resident
thug here once couldn't hold his tongue against slander of appearances and
addressed me as a follower of 'bearded leaders.' Guess who introduced the
babyface code of "civilization" to the West and what it meant to them. (I'll
let you guess.)

The babyface code was there to signal discontent with all-bearded leaders of
traditional Europe. Mighty good did that discontent do, did it not? See:
Second World War.

Other bunches of thugs under babyface code run amok these days:

> There is Ali Shah Mousovi, a pediatrician who says he returned to
> Afghanistan in 2003, following years of exile in Iran, to open a medical
> clinic and rebuild his country. Soon after his return, American soldiers
> broke down his door, accused him of associating with the Taliban and
> took him to the Bagram Air Base. There, he says, he was blindfolded,
> hooded, gagged and repeatedly kicked in the head by American soldiers,
> who spat on him, cursed him and paraded him naked.

-- http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/10/books/review/Rosen-t.html

And make no mistake. Many of these thugs have gone back home as "veterans,"
full of discontent because Rome isn't paying them the promised loot. Their
discontent or the discontent of criminal nigger gangs is no mark of
distinction. It confers no liberty of mind and makes them all the more
dangerous. So, unless you're like me and love to see a big fire on the
horizon, hold your horses on praise of generalized disaffection.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> None of the great men in history just accepted things around them or
> what they were told.

History has quite a few terrible great men, too. Not even gauged radical
thinking guarantees good intentions.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> No liberal or conservative has the same problem right? Utopian
> sentiment? I could dedicate my life to picking that apart if the outcome
> was attractive. 

I wouldn't grace American liberals or "conservatives" with critique. Those
are just bunches of clowns. That libertarians get a critical mention is
because you can see their hearts--the honest ones among them--are in the right
place, at the very least. Sloppy analysis taints the best of intentions
nonetheless and it's all the more dangerous when/where people are
action-minded.

> U.S. military ordered to hide identities, change routines to avoid
> terrorist attacks

-- http://is.gd/5RMQX3
-- (redirects to Washington Times)

This is on US soil. I have no comments.

> Ralph Nader on Clinton vs Rand in 2016 and Libertarianism

-- http://wearechange.org/ralph-nader-clinton-vs-rand-2016-libertarianism/

#1114 Ralph Nader is a very smart man and I agree with everything he 
said in that clip. Rand Paul is a disappointment. He is not the 
great man his dad is. At best he's the lite version. At worst he's 
turning into a mainline (_not_ neocon) Republican.

As a citizen, I would support him over neocons like Jeb Bush (who is 
rumored to run). Hillary and Jeb are frightening and dangerous. Rand 
is being the lady who unbuttons the top 3 on her blouse to make the 
sale. He's is not going to put out, he just wants to be sexy enough 
to win people over and put the turkey on the table. Not exactly 
noble but in the end it does the job. The takeaway for me that it's 
too bad people like Rand Paul and Ralph Nader aren't taken seriously 
by people. The corporatist (Nader's word) media is obviously going 
to make non-establishment threats to be racists, kooks, and goofs. 
Average Mike buys it when Conan and Stewart make the joke. Keep the 
Oligarchy going and the stocks at their artificial high. 

Rand is smart enough to know that being the libertarian 
constitutionalist is great but not enough to break on through to the 
the big desk.  

Re #1115:

Whatever keeps Rand Paul from being elected on his (alleged) principles will
keep him from acting on those principles once in office. No?

#1116 See: Barack Obama
His campaign placed him on far left. In office he's right of Reagan. 

I highly doubt Rand would act on the mainline Republican issues. That's 
why people in his own party have been working against him and his 
father for years. 

Re #1117:

Obama claimed he would seriously balance the establishment which he did much
less than expected of him. Left and right are really irrelevant these days.
You have hardcore pro-establishment and less hardcore pro-establishment. Obama
is the latter.

Rand Paul's (alleged) principles are straightly anti-establishment. There is
no way he can get elected by appearing hardcore pro-establishment but when
in office act anti-establishment any more than Obama did. Due to the
perception of many of his (alleged) principles the disappointment factor would
be no less than with Obama. Except perhaps in that you cannot much further
disappoint already disappointed groups.

Either way brown people will die. Well those that dont play basketball, 
rap or play president. War is the constant.

If you read this thoroughly:

--
http://file.wikileaks.org/file/us-marines-mid-range-threat-assessment-2005.
pdf

The gist of it is: the US thinks it represents something it calls 'the West;'
the US is at war with Islam; the US has no idea what Islam is.

I'm taking bets on who will win ;-)

By the way, there's so much Jew in that document the stench was overpowering
even from Iran, Iran so far away.

10 year old document during the Dubya Regime

Re #1122:

Establishment stance.

More re. #1122:

To be clear, it's actually dubious that that is the stance itself. It's
essentially an indoctrination manual for lower ranks. It does showcase the
establishment's intentions, though, if in a warped way.

re #1124
It's a comic book with heroes and villains dressed up as a world narrative.
Out of context, it's hard to understand that the politics were 
unknown to most Americans.  Condoleeza Rice was quick to explain things
and very few in the room understood nor were willing to challenge the
stance suggested (and followed.)
9/11 was so odd for America that most might have well been Aztecs
meeting Hernan Cortes for the first time.  And that can be applied
in both directions, I suppose.

Re #1125:

You keep insisting on 'isolated instance' and 'chaotic-but-unfortunate
development' positions. I emphatically disagree. I see carefully planned
malevolence. On that note, every charge of malevolence the Soviets brought
against Americans the latter needed less than 25 years to prove to have been
the case. Recent declassifications and more comprehensive chronicling of the
past century also further substantiate that honest mistakes have been less
the case than knowing malfeasance.

Specific to the document, the "comic book" in question, the "spontaneous"
"terrorism expert" business, and attendant outlets have been and continue to
be used extensively and deliberately to indoctrinate with less than a grain
of truth in the entire paradigm. What does that indicate about the intentions
of the establishment?

If Germany kept a remorseful version of its 20th century history out of its
basic education the way Japan keeps most of Meiji and Shouwa out or the US
keeps most of its relevant history out what would you conclude about the
balance of power in postwar Germany? Who would you think were truly in power?

Vital note: I used 'balance of power' with no implications of sincerity or
truthfulness on part of the power consensus. Realistically, Germany has to
(and is) do(ing) a complete revision of the victors' version of history taught
to the masses of its new generations. The few more curious ones were and are
enriching their historical knowledge anyhow.

The less sophisticated the readers are, the easier the comic book is to 
believe - especially with mainstream media backing much of it up point
for  point. It's a cohesive narrative. 

Frenemies, enemies and friends. 

In April 2013, Hagel told Israeli President Shimon Peres:  We are living
 through the defining of a new world order, and it s still within our 
capability to do something about it. 

http://www.wnd.com/2014/10/hagel-questions-u-s-role-in-new-world-order/

(who's "we"?)

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevention_of_Genocide_Act_of_1988

> who's "we"?

Filth and scum, with a 140+ times Jew overrepresentation among them.

Coincidence, of course.

Bin Laden's "killer" revealed: 
http://tinyurl.com/q9srk84

I wanted gruesome photos and all I got was this tee shirt.

Lip service is all you'll ever get from me:
http://tinyurl.com/msg8835

The party of obvious sociopaths.

#1131 Should get fun and interesting if things go my way. 
BUT (there's always a big butt) it's predictable to see even more 
corruption, wars and looting coming our way. When congress & senate 
members talk about "compromising", "reaching across the isle" and 
"working together" bad things are sure to come.  

Boehner likes to compare Obama to GW but forgets Crimea = Georgia

> ROGUE STATE 11.07.14
> 
> Iran's Horrific Human-Rights Record
> 
> Sen. Mark Kirk
> Sen. Marco Rubio

-- http://is.gd/uLH6ah
-- (redirects The Daily Beast)

So, Jew-fellators in Jew rag. Standing for human rights by the kotel up their
rears. When is Uncle going to give these whores that erotic spanking? From
what I see he's set his eyes on something--not sure what--and these queens
are trying to get in his way in the hopes of a paid lay. What's Uncle set his
eyes on? And what will happen to the obstructing queens?

#1134 Want some foreign aid? LOL

Re #1135:

I got some aid here addressed to DC ;-)

#1136 Make sure you wear a hazmat suit for proper handling before 
shipping. 

The west is the best
The west is the best
Get here and we'll do the rest

Re #1137:

Stan Lee is a good man, though.

#1139 You mean Stanley Lieber?
*evil chuckle*

Re #1140:

> The establishment of a rating system, voluntary or otherwise, opens the
> door to an endless parade of Moral Quality Control Programs based on
> "Things Certain Christians Don't Like." What if the next bunch of
> Washington Wives demands a large yellow "J" on all material written or
> performed by Jews, in order to save helpless children from exposure to
> concealed Zionist doctrine?

> But what your martial society really wants is blood. We need some blood.
> We need some suffering. Like, the individual must suffer for the good of
> the whole. I toy around with that. Early on, I wasn't looking at Jesus
> Christ, saying to myself, "What an angle." I wasn't trying to be
> Christ-y. But, after all, on one level, this is showbiz.

-- http://i.imgur.com/UkD8dZg.jpg

One never knows :-)

Showing up for work is important
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWxbDu4-kWs

An unbelievable article for a Jew rag:

> Getting Close to Terror, but Not to Stop It
> 
> Port Authority Officer Kept Sources With Ties to Iran Attacks

-- http://is.gd/HohUsO
-- (redirects to NY Times)

It is not impossible the described topsy-turvy is real but that McHale man
is a fall guy if I've ever seen one.

Also wondering if this is another Libya plan. "Hey Ali, I can order you an
aftabeh[1] and squat toilet in the White House[2] and a Jundullah column in
NY Times. Deal?"

On the 25th anniversary of the Berlin Wall's fall. Seriously? Will there be
a Roman Abramovich? Will IRIC Article 44 be Treuhand 2?

-------------------

1. Google it. Also, wash your rear. It's good, I promise.

2. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/08/28/nyregion/28tent5_650.jpg

A) A solution looking for a problem:
"We have these Joint Terrorism Task Forces everywhere, and there s so
many  of these antiterrorism thrusts in our bureaucracy. There s so much
more  going on."

B) What changed? Does Jundallah not exist to attack Iran's government
alone?" But in its early years, the group received little attention in
Washington.  And Mr. McHale s relationship with the group did not raise
concerns, former  officials say. In part, they say, that was because the
United States did not  yet consider Jundallah a terrorist organization
and it had stated no  intention to attack the West."

C) The meat and potatoes. No one knows anything. Yet, McHale had a
budget,  traveled, filed reports "circulated widely" and communicated
his progress to  officials. " But though the government now says Mr.
McHale worked as a single operator,  there are indications that senior
officials knew of and approved of the  relationship he developed with
Jundallah."

D) Our intelligence agencies are very, very good at finding perfect
patsies.  A port authority worker getting sent for intelligence missions
in hostile  war areas? Totally normal! And what a perfect guy to set up
as the go-it- alone maverick. They just could not keep him in line! LOL
"But friends and former colleagues say this characterization of Mr.
McHale  as a rogue operator is unfair."

He has an assault rifle, too *chuckle*

All these said and probably true, there is a significant (deliberately
cultivated) fraction of Americans with quite specific murderous tendencies
who match that man's profile. As in any business co-opting a self-driven
rising star is far cheaper and more robust than nurturing a reluctant type
from the babysteps on.

re #1146
We call them Barney Fife and Hillaries - depending on plumbing.

> Billionaires Adelson and Saban, at odds in campaigns, unite on Israel
> and hit Obama
> 
> [...]
> 
> "Newt Gingrich was right: The Palestinians are an invented people,"
> Adelson said, referring to a controversial statement made by the former
> Republican House speaker whose failed 2012 presidential campaign Adelson
> heavily funded.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/A5TqSS
-- (redirects to Washington Post)

Another unusual piece about Jew filth. What's the trick?

Re #1147:

Which Hillary is that?

> Iran leader's call to 'annihilate' Israel sparks fury as nuclear
> deadline looms
> 
> (CNN) -- A new document by Iran's supreme leader calling for the
> elimination of Israel shows that world powers must not rush into a deal
> on the country's nuclear program despite an upcoming deadline, Israel's
> Prime Minister said Monday.
> 
> "There is no moderation in Iran. It is unrepentant, unreformed, it calls
> for Israel's eradication, it promotes international terrorism," Benjamin
> Netanyahu said in a statement.
> 
> "This terrorist regime in Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear
> threshold power. And I call on the P5+1 countries -- don't rush into a
> deal that would let Iran rush to the bomb." (The P5+1 refers to the
> United States, China, Russia, Britain, France and Germany -- the five
> permanent members of the U.N. Security Council, plus Germany.)
> 
> Iran insists it only wants nuclear energy. And Ayatollah Ali Khamenei,
> while calling for the elimination of Israel, said he opposes "a massacre
> of the Jewish people in this region."
> 
> Instead, he seeks a referendum. But in the meantime, "armed resistance
> is the cure," he says, calling for the West Bank to be "armed like
> Gaza."
> 
> [...]

-- http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/10/world/meast/iran-annihilate-israel/index.h
tml

I'm not furious at all. The one thing Khamenei ever gets right is this one.
Not suprisingly, he never gets things about Iran right.

So, from dismantlement of Israel by Palestinian referendum a compromise step
is to allow Israelis to vote as well? Right?

How do the Israelis hug their children with nuclear arms?

You have to ask the Ethiopian Jews living next to Dimona.

I have a single funny concern about Iran buying or making any powerful tech:
how will Iranians marry it to their deep-running incompetence and malfeasance?
Can't oops with nuclear power plants or warheads.

re #1149
The ones that keep the hair short for minimize hotflashes

Re #1153:

Hm, the strange English disturbs me :-P

> "We're now supposedly training about 5,000 or more Syrians who are going
> to go back in and fight against Bashar Assad. Who is it that's killing
> them? It is barrel bombs and equipment supplied by the Iranians," he
> said on Fox News.

-- http://is.gd/ICYuie
-- (redirects to The Hill)

> The U.S. military is good, but nobody is THAT good
> 
> By Neal Gabler | November 10, 2014
> 
> When an angry electorate headed for the polls Tuesday, the questions on
> their minds probably included: Why did a Liberian man with Ebola get
> into this country, and how did the authorities so botch his treatment
> that two American nurses were infected with the virus? How did a convoy
> of Islamic State fighters cross a desert in plain daylight without being
> blasted to smithereens by the U.S. Air Force? How could U.S. automobile
> companies commit one gaffe after another without being called to account
> after Washington bailed them out?
> 
> [...] 

-- http://is.gd/Os1a0n
-- (redirects to blogs.Reuters)

Article is predictable and mildly interesting. Comments tend to be a mix of
true and false.

The shared feature of the article and comments is arguing in bad faith
prompted by naivete and lack of an overarching understanding. Where there
should be description there is apology. Where there should be productive
criticism there is an absence of offered alternatives.

> Understanding Iran: The Head of the Snake
> 
> [...]
> 
> Iran in Prophecy
> 
> Daniel 11 speaks of a pushy and aggressive power in our day known as the
> king of the south. [...]

-- http://is.gd/qzZcl4
-- (redirects to The Trumpet)

So, Agent tod, where does entertainment cross into macabre? Here's my answer:
when North wrote about "orange" and "zebras." Tell me about snakes on a plane,
too, about a clash of "civilizations," and about self-fulfilling prophecies.

> Ted Cruz's Father Suggested His Son Is 'Anointed' to Bring About 'End
> Time Transfer of Wealth'
> 
> "The pastor [Huch] referred to Proverbs 13:22, a little while ago, which
> says that the wealth of the wicked is stored for the righteous. And it
> is through the kings, anointed to take dominion, that that transfer of
> wealth is going to occur." - Rafael Cruz, August 26, 2012

-- http://is.gd/S7MQrp
-- (redirects to AlterNet)

And Russia's newest agitprop outlet:

> Growth of ISIL - Planned Decision: Syrian Perspective

-- http://uk.sputniknews.com/opinion/20141109/1013195499.html

Has some points but muddles other points. Half-turths everywhere.

> Can a neocon change his spots (and come back as a liberal
> interventionist for Hillary Clinton)?

-- http://mondoweiss.net/2014/06/liberal-interventionist-clinton

re #1154
 Hm, the strange English disturbs me :-P

Gary Glitter being a good example!

re #1157
 So, Agent tod, where does entertainment cross into macabre? Here's my answer:
 when North wrote about "orange" and "zebras." Tell me about snakes on a
 plane, too, about a clash of "civilizations," and about self-fulfilling 
 prophecies.

Excellent cartoonage: "the world.s largest state-sponsor of terror"
and "radical Islam, led by Iran" at 
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/11851.32129.0.0/middle-east/three-reaso
ns-w
hy-iran-is-the-king-of-the-south-of-bible-prophecy

The us vs them comic books come in web blog format.

Re #1160:

Missing the point. In a milieu like all that's needed for catastrophe is one
shyster. I showed you the shyster, too. You may think the "comic books" are
irrelevant to reality and they may be. That's in turn irrelevant to their
mobilization potential.

re #1161
I agree it is hate crime and propaganda by the shyster.  And yes, there
is a market potential behind it.  The problem is that nobody is
trying to create a mass media campaign for the truth...not a successful
one.

Re #1162:

> The problem is that nobody is trying to create a mass media campaign for
> the truth...not a successful one.

That "can't handle the truth" sequence comes to mind. Although that itself
was agitprop.

If lying is more profitable than truth-telling only blood wins over sword.
It's possibly my upbringing that makes me optimistic on that count. If one
were to go by 'Welcome to the Machine' the expectation would be for the
abstracted machine-cube to eventually fire its engines, whoosh away from an
ocean of blood, and join the grand perfect sphere.

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tblx00nIZB0

Interstellar is a great idea of a movie except it has the Dallas Buyers
Club redneck guy as the hero.

...and a great big bootstrap paradox as a main plot line.

Primer handled time-travel uniquely, and confusingly.

Ok, who wants to be tightrope walking umbrella guy?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m1UWSD-FaA

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUIqR0IzJCY

Meow I get it

{can says 'Eat'}
It could be a great television commercial to sell jeans to vanity

   o  
E /|\ T
  / \

> The Solution for Pakistan's Problems: Become Another Iran
> 
> Maybe what Pakistan needs is more Islamization.

-- http://is.gd/Wk5kfs
-- (redirects to The Diplomat)

*giggle*

NICE

It's never too late for hope and change:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/16/world/asia/pakistan-al-qaeda-video/

Ayman al-Zawahiri also says the new Black Keys record is righteous. 

No connection. Article on #1171 makes a defensible point. It's "az-Zawahiri"
that should be suspected for being a CIA plant for disinforming Americans.

#1175 Right. What I was saying is that the U.S. may find the desired
outcome  of #1171 as undesirable and provoke Arab Spring/Winter/? to
destabilize  starting with Ayman al-Zawahiri (that's how the media
spells it here).

Re #1176:

I think I could agree with that. Though, Bandar Bush has been doing exactly
that for the longest time:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haqqani_network

> Bandar Bush, 'liberator' of Syria
> 
> By Pepe Escobar 

-- http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MID-02-130813.html

The key defensible point in the article is exactly that institionalized Islam
would hoist the likes of Haqqanis by their own petard. It would rapidly
separate Saudi-IA plants from mere hotheads. Give a hothead a village to
feed--soon he'll either be delivered of his folly by common sense or he'll
have his head on a pike by the same villagers who would listen to his sermons
while he was only a priest on a pulpit. Plants don't have that recourse
because they serve an alien agenda. They'll get purged.

And unlike Arabia's case Pakisan cannot pay for its own long-term occupation
by the House of Saud. It becomes sustainable or it fails catastrophically.

P.S. "Al-Zawahiri" is an incorrect transliteration. "Az-Zawahiri" is a correct
transcription. Araak (a city), araq (distilled spirits), Araaq (Iraq, in
Persian), Iraaq (Iraq, in Arabic), Araaq-e Ajam ('non-Arab-speaking Iraq,'
a western section of Iran in historical parlance). Don't expect American media
to get it anywhere close to right. Not even America's "terrorism experts" do.
It's a bizarre world where you have to give Daniel Pipes--of all
people!--credit for at least doing proper linguistics.

More necessary reading for Agent tod and Compadres:

> Iran's War on Two Fronts 
> 
> Between an ambitious India and a North American energy renaissance,
> Iran's horizons narrow.
> 
> By Kevin D. Williamson

-- http://is.gd/9MoO3v
-- (redirects to NRO; the _other_ NRO *chuckle*)

Read this very closely and carefully to see where and how the fate of the
United States was sealed.

re #1178
A nuclear Iran would be less volative/dangerous than NK - imo.
I wonder if Iran ever worries about Chinese expansionism - especially
as it courts Afghanistan?

Not sure what you are driving at with "fate sealed." 
Interesting article/opinion piece nonetheless. 
PS nuclear Iran. Okay. That is less a threat to the world than a 
justification for Israel to build up its MIC and gain support from its 
suppised allies. 

Supposed

Re #1179:

A tiny Chinese navy contingent recently made a call at an Iranian port.

One possible assumption is that the US, Russia, and China can't be working
in tandem due to whichever set of mutually exclusive interests in which case
without a (very) significant American offer (which Valet Obama may or may not
be authorized to make) Iran will opt for SCO, anti-Imperial ideology, and
cultural 'authenticity'--that's something China understands and can
stomach--even at a hefty economic price, hedging its economic realization bets
for a post-US world. Russian disruptive roulette and Chinese paper guns. Quite
a mix.

The other possible assumption is that there is a triumvirate bent on crushing
and owning Iran. It is quite plausible and I don't think Iran would have any
way out of that. It would surrender the "nukes" to the US, sell mining to
China, and use the pittance thrown it to buy Russian arms. Cronies will
engorge themselves on the financial flows.

P.S. Forget the whole 'nuclear Iran,' 'volatile,' blahblah story. It's a
distraction.

Re #1180:

Supine ;-)

About the US fate and its sealing, I propose checking what Iran's top import
by dollar value is. It isn't wheat and it isn't gayPhones. Compare it with
Canada's top import. Then take a look at when gold price peaked post-2000,
see the trend, and give me a theory of why it started falling.

That you cannot see that article's premise as the sealing of the US fate is
probably due to your not seeing its broken reason. Here goes it:

1. Throwing out the article's Anglo-Jew chauvinism the reasons for Iran's
economic backwardness should be sought in the fact it's a resource-exporting
country that's been under the thumbs of its customers and weighed down by its
rent seekers for 80 years. These promote a number of the worst social and
economic pathologies.

2. Nationalized oil for Iran has meant corruption of state instrumentation
as various interest groups--political elite, merchants, government workers,
farmers, everyone and anyone belongs to some of these--competed for shares
of the state oil revenue. Simultaneously, it has slowed down the dissipation
of oil wealth because the state revenue has had to partially at least go into
some development.

3. Once the US becomes the world's top oil exporter and reliant on it for its
national security balance it will be susceptible to its customers' moods just
like Iran has been. Its economic complexity index will fall. Furthermore,
private exploitation which is the modus operandi in the US means there will
not even be a barrier of obligatory state expenses on how fast the resource
wealth transforms to bullion in certain offshore banks' vaults and some less
easily transportable hard wealth (land and indsutries).

4. On the face of it the US hydrocarbon exports plan is to buy paper back from
Asian creditors. India and East Asia--China and South Korea specifically--have
gained leverage in Iranian economy and promoted high-level corruption. They
will do times worse to the US. The sociopolitical pressures of China and
India, over 2.5 billion people and counting, will be directly and ruthlessly
translated to American sociopolitics. The private exploitation angle means
buyback will at best be partial. American civic life will not survive that.

5. In the article's supposed endgame where NAFTA exploitation of North
America's domestic resources would allow it to circumnavigate the Middle East,
of what utility would any American involvement in that region be?

6. Are the "Iranian deevs, Arab ifrits, and Jew malekhs" essentially what they
are presented to be or is their worth on the Imperial ladder a product of the
Empire's needs? Once those needs are met to the fullest elsewhere, as the
article purports, why would these populations stay as they are presented to
be? What new insurmountable challenges would transformations of those
populations present? (I could name you a few.)

7. Why would the US want to pit itself against anyone in the Middle East, in
favor of any other one, if not for some intrinsic value tied to the lands
rather than the peoples on them?

In summary, the "interesting" Mr. -son is a Clash-of-"Civilizations" stooge.
You can get an analysis of what's behind the memeplex he regurgitates here:

-- http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0415332664

Who do you think will come out standing from the Global Attrition Jihad?

Top imports: 
Canada - Category 1: "Vehicles, other than railway"
Category 2: "Nuclear reactors, boilers, machinery" both tied @$63 
billion annual import. http://www.ats-sea.agr.gc.ca/stats/4679-
eng.htm
Iran - gold
Gold price peak - On Sept. 6, 2011, gold reached an all-time high of 
$1921.50

Why gold prices are low: High interest rates and low inflation are 
bad for gold. The opposite is true for high gold prices (when the 
economy is good, gold is cheaper).  

#1 The "Iran is dangerous, poor and doomed" angle was indicative of 
an obvious perspective. 
#2 Oil is not nationalized in the U.S. so the portrait is not 
compatible. State revenue comes from taxes, so The State will only 
encourage more oil production. #3 I think you are right here 
although the one saving grace will be that our exports are much much 
more diverse than traditional oil exporters. #4 not sure here from 
where I'm standing what the intent is. The message to Americans has 
always been, "cheaper oil/gas, more productive America" although 
greed will nullify this. Paying down Chinese debt? I don't trust our 
government to carry through with so many hands in the cookie jar. 
Either way, yes I can see Chinese and Indian influence. China holds 
$1.16 trillion in U.S. debt. Japan holds $1.12. You don't see 
horrible Japanese influence of American sociopolitics do you? US 
debt is $17 trillion. China's share is relatively small. Also: 
China's progress is predicated on America's progress. :)
#5 and #6 I see NAFTA as a mutually beneficial arrangement within 
North America. Look at the trade between America and Canada. The oil 
produced is likely going to be used up mostly in NA. Beyond that, 
the exports are not likely to destroy Middle East oil inc. because 
of China's needs. Yet "Jihad is a luxury item" is true here. Is the 
effort exclusive to riding the world of terror threats? I don't 
think so though. American involvement in that region? I can't 
imagine. Maybe Bill Gates will be feeding vitamins to the locals. 
How desperate will the locals get for sustenance? How will they 
react to the choking off of $? How will Middle Eastern governments 
react? Can they self-sustain without America's cash? Is Europe going 
to love the new oil prices? Will their business be enough? God only 
knows. #7 I am ignorant here. This is all new territory for me. Most 
Americans are not even at the realization that America is the #3 
world producer of oil so at least I'm ahead of that. On it's face, 
it looks like America is walking away from the Middle East. 
Resources other than oil can be purchased globally. 

Aside from all this, I always have a feeling like the shoe is going 
to drop here. The stock market can crash. Everything is vulnerable 
from several different angles. I can see why nations are hoarding 
gold. It's plain that the American dollar will collapse now or 
later. Perhaps domestic production of oil makes America less 
vulnerable to a great depression. Knowing it makes the politicians 
less likely to send po boys to kill the browns is a satisfying 
outcome. 

"Who do you think will come out standing from the Global Attrition 
Jihad?"
As you can see, this is all confusing for me. So many variables. 
It's hard to see the forest through the trees (distractions). I 
would like to think that America's bad actions stem from it's need 
for oil (as part of it's National Security). Domestic oil is 
supposed to be a solution but I understand your thinking that there 
could be something more the globalists will want from the land in 
the Middle East (like minerals, agriculture or labor).

Re #1184:

When was the earlier gold peak? What was the trend since then? Why was gold
on a steep rise from 2000 onwards? Why was it nearly halved in price over two
years? Did 'economy' become twice as 'good' as all of 2000-2012 within 2
years?

Do interest rates and inflation follow gold or is it the other way around?
What's the effect of gold holdings declarations on FOREX and COMEX?

Which is the actual gold holdings of Iran: former CBI chief claim of over 900
tons (above Japan) or current CBI chief claim of slightly over 100 tons
(slightly above Poland)?

How come Iran's revenue was slashed in half (tens of billions) yet its
sovereign reserve fund only declined by just over 10 percent (ca. 5 billion)?

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Re. (1), the poor and doomed descriptions are actually correct. The question
is: how can Iran be dangerous if NAFTA resources are supposed to do the magic
of disentangling the US from Middle East? It doesn't compute that Iran would
be a threat to the US and irrelevant to US trade at the same time. The history
of an Iranian threat only makes sense because Iran has had some relevance to
US trade.

Re. (2), yes, that was the point. I explained the effects of oil
nationalization in Iran and contrasted it with the US. 

Re. (3), the US exports hi-tech products, food, and resources. Who can depend
on the US for both hi-tech and the resources that power it? How will they pay
for it?

Re. (4), the gist of the article's economic predictions was that oil exports
will empower the US in Asia. How else can can oil make this possible other
than by buying paper back? Japan is not a true sovereign state. It's a
protectorate under AMPO. The dynamics of its relationship to the US is
different than what the rest of Asia's is and would be. Want to see how
foreign leverage ruins domestic sociopolitics? Look at Israel. Chinese
"progress" follows primarily social pressures from within. Its threats and
opportunities, domestic and foreign, come from the demographics of Asia. Its
own population and that of two populous neighbors: India and Pakistan. The
notion that it has anything of note to do with American consumption is false.
China exports more to Japan and Hong Kong combined (both absolute and also
slightly over 2.5 times per capita) than to the US. It imports more than 3
times from Asia than from the US. It has the entire world to expand into and
it will--to the detriment of many, including Iran).

Re. (5), NAFTA resource exploitation could cover North American consumption
but leverage comes from exports. If US hydrocarbon is only going to extricate
the US from foreign entanglement what's the function of that leverage? What
objectives is the article suggesting? That's the crux of the matter and the
article's proposal: drill own land, stop needing oil, become a... heroic
cause.

Re. (6), too many I-don't-know's :-P It isn't that murky. USD is only worth
what it can buy and the current arrangement ensures what USD comes into the
Middle East will soon be circulated back which is unlike the Asian
arrangement. "Jihad is a luxury item" is categorically false. It's a
reactionary movement. The less its fighters have, the more they will gun for.
There is no "terror" threat per se, much less of a global nature. There is
only reactions to economic arrangements.

Re. (7), I do think there's intrinsic value to those lands and that that value
has nothing to do with what's under or over them. Rather with where they are.
That said, you can do away with my assumption and still have the article's
self-contradiction: the US is supposed to pose for/against in the Middle East
while extricating itself from it. How does that make sense?

Another summary: what the article goes about is that Empire as a heroic
cause--rather than as a petty resource grab--can be maintained if only the
stability of hydrocarbon importers, as maintained by current US
military-political machinations, can be saved from its involvement with the
Middle East. Yet the term 'economic domination' is used in the same article.
What economic domination is good for if the Empire is supposed to become a
heroic cause? What's the heroic cause to begin with? Answer: American
religion.

No one who has started religious wars has come out standing from them.

Global economy warning lights are flashing, says PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-30075810

"The eurozone is teetering on the brink of a possible third 
recession, with high unemployment, falling growth and the real risk 
of falling prices too.

"Emerging markets, which were the driver of growth in the early 
stages of the recovery, are now slowing down."

And he said the Ebola epidemic, conflict in the Middle East and 
Russia's illegal actions in Ukraine were all adding to a "dangerous 
backdrop of instability and uncertainty".
----------------------------------------
No word on how Cameron proposes to "fix" the problem. Smells like 
World War on the horizon. 

1 in every 30 kids in the U.S. is homeless, report finds
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2014/11/17/every-kids-us-
homeless-report-finds/19170833/

Plenty of resources to support Mexico's unwashed adventure seekers. 

> UPDATE 4-BHP to test U.S. oil export ban by selling without formal ruling

-- http://is.gd/85d7K9
-- (redirects to Reuters)

NAFTA hydrocarbon remains in NA, you said? *snort*

re #1183
Eugene is very clever

Re #1189:

Because he economized on own word count? ;-)

'Saudi prince paid for 9/11 pilots to learn to fly': Incredible 
claims of '20th hijacker' serving life in prison for terrorism as he 
asks to testify again in court and reveal all
http://tinyurl.com/puh5bv3

"credibility issue"?

In 2006 a recording emerged online of Osama bin Laden distancing 
himself from Moussaoui. He said: 'He had no connection at all with 
September 11. I am the one in charge of the 19 brothers, and I never 
assigned brother Zacarias to be with them in that mission.'

Not an inside job?
(thought I posted this but came into work and it was still up on my 
screen)

Calls a state of emergency when there's no emergency. 
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/11/17/nixon-activates-missouri-
national-guard/

Re #1191:

Ever wonder who that 'Intel Center' is?

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rita_Katz

A "one-woman" operation that regularly "found" bin-Laden videos "on the
Internet." Just because.

She sounds great. 

Yours truly, 
a committed Zionist

Hilarity ensues: http://tinyurl.com/lvtrk5l

Re #1195:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Frankhouser

Enjoy.

A sack of shit is a sack of shit by any name: Nazi or Jew.

"Stay The Course"

Ferguson protesters met with Mr. Obama last week in an unpublicized 
private White House meeting​, as reported by The New York
Times​. Others  in the meeting were not identified, but Al
Sharpton said Mr. Obama told  them to  stay the course. 

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/18/ernest-
istook-will-ferguson-race-riots-help-obama-/#ixzz3JS4GGpjx 
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

re #1190
A literary agent sometimes looks for quantity over quality ;)

re #1197
Someone once told me to stay the course...and I was heading for a
waterfall

Re #1198:

-- http://i.imgur.com/ZjupG36.jpg

#1198 Staying the course will be met with what I'm guessing is going to 
be called America's Tiananmen Square incident. I think it's safe to say 
this is going to be a rollout/tryout of all that militarized police 
equipment. At every point in this case there are threats of violence. 
If you don't do things our way, we riot. So if he's indited, then they 
will say, "he's guilty or we riot again". Nonsense. Will the Ferguson 
riot be an excuse for people in other cities to riot? I'm guessing yes.

re #1199
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhn0Wdc-tNM

Re #1201:

> Exclusive: The mainstream media's big takeaway from Richard Nixon's
> Watergate resignation is that "the cover-up is always worse than the
> crime." But that's because few understand the crime behind Watergate,
> Nixon's frantic search for a file on his 1968 subversion of Vietnam
> peace talks, reports Robert Parry.

-- http://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/09/the-heinous-crime-behind-watergate/

However, 

> "The Orcs were beasts of humanized shape (to mock Men and Elves)
> deliberately perverted / converted into a more close resemblance to Men.
> Their 'talking' was really reeling off 'records' set in them by Melkor.
> Even their rebellious critical words  he knew about them. Melkor taught
> them speech and as they bred they inherited this; and they had just as
> much independence as have, say, dogs or horses of their human masters.
> This talking was largely echoic (cf. parrots)."

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orc_(Middle-earth)

And so...

> In 1982, New York Times reporter Raymond Bonner broke the story of the
> El Mozote massacre. This report was strongly criticized by AIM and the
> Reagan White House, and Bonner was pressured into business reporting,
> later deciding to resign. Although the report was embarrassing to the
> Reagan administration, who was heavily aiding the right-wing junta at
> the time, skeletons unearthed a decade later confirmed the original
> story's veracity.

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_in_Media

> AIM received a substantial amount of funding from Richard Mellon Scaife
> who paid Christopher W. Ruddy to investigate allegations that President
> Bill Clinton was connected to the suicide of Vincent Foster. AIM
> contended that "Foster was murdered", which is contrary to three
> independent reports including one by Kenneth Starr. AIM faulted the
> media for not picking up on the conspiracy. The organization even
> went to court for documents and recordings linked to the case.

-- ibid.

... howls the wolf...

> China, Hacking and Murder
> 
> [...]
> 
> The case has gotten a lot of media attention over the last two years,
> much of it featured on a Justice4Shane Todd website. Still, Mary Todd
> and her husband Rick cannot get either Congress or the Obama
> administration to take up the cause of their murdered son and hold his
> killers accountable.
> 
> [...]

-- http://www.aim.org/aim-column/china-hacking-and-murder/

... to "Protect and Serve" the sheep:

> Another supporter of what political historian Alan J. Lichtman has
> called a "white Protestant nation" [29]. Scaife money comes primarily
> from the Mellon family's oil and bank holdings. Like Bradley and Donors
> Capital, it funds groups that have long been the engine of the
> neo-conservative movement in the United States, such as the American
> Enterprise Institute, the Federalist Society, and the Heritage
> Foundation. Among the multiple think tanks that Scaife helps fund is the
> Foundation for Defense of Democracies, whose right-wing pro-Likud and
> anti-Iran advocacy attracts support from funders who are less
> neo-conservative and more Israel-focused than Scaife [30]. The Scaife
> Foundations' only foray into funding Jewish political groups involved
> grants ($300,000) to the American Jewish Committee for "publication
> support" of Commentary, the Jewish neoconservative magazine.

-- http://is.gd/ksqkKp
-- (redirects to TheAmericanMuslim.org)

Do you believe this Jew?

> Iran and the US have failed their way to success
> 
> by Meir Javedanfar
> November 20, 2014 2:00AM ET
> 
> [...]
> 
> Since the 1979 Iranian revolution, the road of U.S failures in dealing
> with Iran is a road well traveled. This road was most recently
> frequented by President George W. Bush.
> 
> For years, when it came to negotiating over Iran's nuclear program, he
> insisted on the condition that Iran suspend uranium enrichment first. It
> was revealed in 2013 that in 2004 he made an offer to Iran to reach a
> grand bargain through direct talks. After Iran's Supreme Leader
> Ayatollah Ali Khamenei rejected the offer, the Bush administration went
> back to its original policy of basing talks on conditions and maintained
> it until the end of his term.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/NGq0CC
-- (redirects to America.al-Jazeera)

Well, you shouldn't believe the Jew, ever. Even when he seems to talk softly.
His realism is deceit. He's a "wolf in sheep's clothing" and lying about
history is his weapon of choice. His confessions are just cover-ups for worse
crimes.

> The grand bargain with Tehran
> 
> Peaceful resolution of Iran's nuclear programme through negotiations
> would be the best outcome for Israel
> 
> Meir Javedanfar
> Tuesday 3 March 2009 19.30 GMT
> 
> On 4 May 2003, the Iranian government sent a proposal to Washington, in
> which Tehran offered the Bush administration direct talks over a wide
> range of issues. This proposal, which later became known as the Iranian
> "grand bargain", offered negotiations over Iran's support for groups
> such as Hamas and Hizbullah, stabilising Iraq, and Iran's nuclear
> programme. Feeling emboldened by its recent victory in Iraq, the Bush
> administration ignored the offer. "We don't talk to evil," was the reply
> from vice-president Cheney who, according to some reports, had Iran in
> its sights as the next target for regime change.
> 
> [...]

-- http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/mar/03/iran-nuclear-weapon
s

The Jew has perfected the capacity to tell Goebbels lies. A truth might be
set in stone. He himself might have admitted it. He doesn't mind. He speaks
the opposite and repeats the lie brazenly. No shame.

Is a mountain Jew a Khazar in disguise?  Still tracing my DNA.

I don't really care about genetics and would never correlate identity with
genes. I'm not an insane American running murderous eugenics. "It's worse than
a crime; it's a mistake."

'Jew' is a self-identification. The person chooses it for the benefits. Could
as well dissociate.

This might enlighten you, too:

> Putting IBD to Bed
> 
> IBD plays a big part in my understanding of inheritance. I don't mean
> inflammatory bowel disease. Nor do I mean isolation by distance. I'm
> talking identity by descent. Assuming your parents are "unrelated" then
> you are identical by descent with your sibling across some portion of
> your genome. You inherit identical segments from your parents, though
> due to recombination they will usually be non-identical at least across
> some part of the chromosome. Because of the law of segregation you
> should overlap 25% with your full sibling on the copy of the genes
> inherited from your mother and father (double that, and you get 50%).
> But this is an expected value. As it happens many siblings are not
> exactly 50% (e.g., I know of full siblings who share 40% of their
> genomes identical by descent from their parents). In the pre-genomic age
> this detail about variation was elided because usually you couldn't
> precisely estimate the identity by descent. Rather, you just assume that
> you share 1/2 your genome with your full sibling, 1/4 with a half
> sibling or aunt/uncle or grandparent, 1/8 with your first cousin, and so
> forth.
> 
> [...]

-- http://www.unz.com/gnxp/putting-ibd-to-bed/

I don't really have an identity. I don't need one either. 

As far as identity is concerned where we live: I believe people will 
identify YOU by your appearance and your last name in America. 

If your last name is "Jewish sounding" (aka -man, -berg, -vitz, -witz,
or  -sky) people assume Jew. If you have a Jewfro you are locked in! 

The reason I don't take any of it seriously is that most people don't 
really care here except for the people who do expect some kind of
special  treatment or kinship from people they assume identify
themselves  similarly. 

Identity is an inextricable part of human life. Its construction, however,
is multifactorial. Genotype, epigenetics, phenotype, socialization, and
individual variations--conscious or unconscious--all play into it. Knowledge
of identity produces identity politics--the engineering of identity. Jennifer
Government, John Nike, or tod's favorite: Joe "Duff" Mercer.

Zealous reduction of complex constructions to any single factor, or subset,
only clouds the observer's view. Or serves some personal or group--can't do
away with IDPOL--agenda. That isn't to say analysis is impossible. It just
requires dedication, honesty, and up to par models.

It wasn't a big deal until the hospital sent us to meet the geneticist
after they spotted "soft signs" of something which had a higher
prevalence for certain "identities"

Re #1208:

Count the elements:

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28PPqlc39Qw

re #1209
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz5w06Naq0c

Re #1210:

The midgets are the polyps or the priest is Barrett's *chuckle*

("Soft signs" having to do with LRRK2?)

I forget. #1210 is gold.

Zingarella - that's what I want for Christmas!

#1210 I'm wearing the same yellow & black striped tights. Coincidence!

Dr Rockso no likey

> Revealed: UK 'mercenaries' fighting Islamic State terrorist forces in
> Syria
> 
> Former infantryman James Hughes from Reading, and Jamie Read from
> Lanarkshire, are said to be in Rojava, northern Syria

-- http://is.gd/sPJawn
-- (redirects to The Guardian)

1. Read the comments. Some of the threads are precious.

2. So, tell me: how many SOF, since when, and taking orders from where?

 taking orders from where?

Kurdish YPJ?

Re #1216:

False. Kurds can't get their basic history straight. Logistics of recruiting
professional military like this is beyond them.

This response has been erased.

Always Zionists fighting with deadly gefilte fish.

You think Uncle Sam has no agenda of his own?

Of course! Everyone has an agenda. The most prolific are the ones with
the  most resources and friends and have the biggest brain trust. With
that in  mind, America is most dangerous. Israel continues to be a huge
mystery to me.

#1220 was regarding #1219 seeming to insinuate #1217 is solely indicting
"Zionists" with their "deadly gefilte fish."

Israel is a symbiosis of the Empire and a transnational criminal network's
pet project. The stars aligned.

If 'most resources, friends, and biggest brain trust' were sufficient or even
necessary there would never have been a Mongol invasion.

re #1215
The headlines of UK people die fighting for Syrian IS out numbers that 
mercenary headline by hundreds.  The Kurd chicks fighting are hot - why
is it not plausible veterans would want to be alongside them?

Re #1223:

Who does the headline logistics? Kurds? Who sends the arms? Who arranges the
ranks?

That's uncharacteristically naive of you. Fight alongside what? For what? I
don't even see sides in this. By all indications, including the 'ISIS
condemnation' responses from Mozzie clerics, it's a puppet show beyond belief.
You already see the clerics on the same "side" as those who wipe their rear
with the ISIS flag that has the equivalent of Tetragrammaton written on it.
Accident?

See any "hot-chick" PJAK headlines? How long till Komala spawns some "hot
chicks?"

I told you the story where all my paternal side are Kurds, where I speak (a
dialect of) the language, and where my father as a militaryman was sent not
once, but twice, under two different ruling states to put Kurds down which
he did--didn't I? Komala "chicks" weren't "hot" back then or what? Or mi pappi
picked the wrong side? Saddam, Pahlavis, the Turks, the Islamic Republic, the
Americans, the British, and the (usual fly-in-the-soup) Jews have played Kurds
and moved them around like cattle in stampede for decades. Over and over.
Which is something that happens to you when you have delusions of grandeur
but your written history goes back only eight decades.

There were images of that celebrity-city's infrastructure being hammered down
by bombs under the pretext that they were 'held by militants.' Who's going
to rebuild those for Kurds? "Hot chicks?" Or a variation on the Assad,
Erdogan, Obama, Khamenei, Saud, Thani mishmash?

The idea is preposterous that the deluded bunch known as Kurds--the delusions
are not entirely unlike those of the Jews but in Western host countries they
have been worlds less successful--is running a functional recruitment campaign
across Europe when the same bunch could not convince even the majority of
their own to fight for any of their causes.

If you look in the comments there's mention of 'Median Empire.' Can you guess
where that came from and why "biker gangs" from Europe would pick that name?
(Hint: Middle East's expats are even deeper in historical delusion; cf. Jews.)

> The Iran-Cuba-Venezuela Nexus
>
> By MARY ANASTASIA O'GRADY
>  
> The West underestimates the growing threat from radical Islam in the
> Americas.

-- http://is.gd/shz35U
-- (redirects to online.WSJ)

Iran is everywhere, baby. Brace your pantaloons.

re #1224
There is no "right" side in war.  War is Hell.  People die and it is beyond
tragic.  I'm sorry your pappi and uncle were involved in things like that.
I was pointing out that Britons and Yanks as individuals may join either
side for various reasons.  

Re #1226:

While war is condemnable in general it is sometimes just and necessary. There
certainly are sides to war: winners and losers. I tried to explain the
(understandable and tragically heroic) cultural obstinacy of a
mountain-dwelling tribal bunch some of whom came to cities, like my father,
and found out the world is moving on quite fast. While Kurds remain a
mountain-dwelling tribal bunch their social organization capacity remains
abysmal which absolves them from the cardinal sin of modern warfare and
condemns them to cultural extinction. The clownish existence of Iraq's
Kurdistan Region over the past few years, despite relative autonomy, made that
clearer than before.

As to the mercs in question my stance is that their reasons have been given
them. They have not found those reasons of their own initiative and they
certainly do not understand the dynamics of what they're being pawns to. I
also insinuated on #1215 that (deniable) agents of the US are directly
involved in the Syrian civil war at all levels. What better deniability than
'soldiers of (some) ideology?' If "ISIS" can pull that so can the "West."

(Britons and Yanks don't have much of a claim to individuality by the very
wearing of 'Briton' and 'Yank' on their sleeves but that's really besides the
point of this talk.)

Jim Morrison was right. The West really is the best. Find out for
yourself. http://tinyurl.com/ma7dmnp

re #1227
 (Britons and Yanks don't have much of a claim to individuality by the very
 wearing of 'Briton' and 'Yank' on their sleeves but that's really besides
the
 point of this talk.)

Ideology of Islam or Christian is a long tradition for recruitment.  I
agree that under the fluff there is likely plenty of Northrup Grumman
cackling near the stock ticker.  Where do you suppose Moscow sits
in all of this?

Re #1228:

No dear, those techniques were perfected, criticized, abandoned, readopted
over and over while the "West" was rolling in its own manure. I suspect you
get kicks from associating with the Bad Boys of Efficiency and imagine
membership in a sort of cultish Brotherhood of Techne. Things aren't how you
imagine them, though, historically speaking. Self-congratulation towards an
imagined self is fun, I reckon.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Re #1229:

What the news says about Russia is that it's supporting Assad. If the
question's genuine, well, that's as much as I have gathered: Russia provides
various forms of support to the (formerly?) legitimate ruling state of Syria.
If you were implying it's all the same, no, it isn't. Among other things that
Russia doesn't need to keep it off the books should say something.

You could be implying Russia has a hand in "ISIS," though, which doesn't mesh
with what I've read. It is imaginable but would invalidate many data points
I've assumed to be fact.

> Iran Says Close to Saudi Oil-Market View Before Meeting

-- http://is.gd/HAutRg
-- (redirects to Bloomberg)

Given other claims I've read that's odd. What am I missing?

Is it

1. Iran and Saudi Arabia colluding with the US to pressure Russia;

or

2. Iran bluffing about not minding the prices;

or

3. Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Russia trying to choke American oil;

or

4. somthing altogether else?

#1230 Did you read the article? Islamic State uses businesses 101
tactics  similar to General Motors. Modeling their hierarchy on the
great success  story from the great satan. Imitation is flattery right?
No different than  the West they are rallying against. That will make it
much easier to bring  them down. The only people en masse I can think of
living in manure are  those living in 3rd world backward hell holes. 

"Bad Boys of Efficiency" yes! Great Americans from 100 years ago
emulated by  China and India too. China has it's fingers in Iraq now.
The new kid on the  block with straws in the sand. Now that America is
pumping it's own oil does  that make China the bad guys?
http://www.history.com/shows/men-who-built-america

Oil: Saudi's are playing chicken but the "poorer members" of OPEC are
paying  the price. 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/saudis-suggest-no-opec-output-152902299.htm
l

VIENNA (AP)   Top OPEC producer Saudi Arabia suggested Wednesday there
is no  need for the cartel to cut its output ceiling despite a plunge in
prices  that has poorer members of the organization hurting.

Saudi Oil Minister Ali Naimi told reporters he expects the oil market to
 eventually "stabilize itself." That suggests the Saudis, who
effectively  determine OPEC's production policy, will not back any calls
for reducing  output by other nations at Thursday's oil ministers'
meeting.

The global price of oil has fallen 32 percent since late June to $78 a 
barrel, from $115, amid booming shale production in the United States.
That,  and continued weakness in some major world economies, has led to
supply  outpacing demand.

While the Saudis can weather such prices, poorer OPEC members like
Venezuela  and Nigeria need prices closer to $100 to fund national
budgets. Iran too is  suffering, with the price drop adding to huge
revenue losses due to  sanctions on it crude sales imposed over its
nuclear program.

Non-OPEC member Russia also needs prices substantially above present
levels  to meet budget goals. Russian energy officials met with
representatives from  Saudi Arabia, Venezuela and Mexico Tuesday but
Venezuelan oil minister  Rafael Ramirez said there was no agreement on a
joint production cut.

Re #1230:

That's what I said. It's self-congratulation on your part--or on part of the
Businessweek, really. You will do well reading up on the history... of ideas.

About the oil price issue what you quoted is what I referred to with 'given
other claims.' Now you have the Iranian statement to contrast. It could be
a bluff or it could point at something more complex than an oil price war
between Saudi Arabia and country X. I listed the hypotheses I could think of
with an opening for what I couldn't imagine.

Addition to #1231:

Was given this article to read very recently. Maybe this

> China Asks: How much will it cost us to make Solar Cheaper than Coal?

-- http://is.gd/pNr0yP
-- (redirects to MonetaryRealism.com)

means there's something very promising about other sources of energy that are
competing with hydrocarbons and that's naturally lowering demand?

re #1234
Add in "water stress" and how pollution affects its availability.

Black Friday comes to the UK. You are welcome. 
Chaos and violence marrs Black Friday across country
Police were drafted in to deal with huge crowds as a string of stores
slashed  their prices http://tinyurl.com/mvm3xl3

Re #1235:

Wouldn't 'water stress' actually slow extraction of shale hydrocarbons in
particular and other hydrocarbons in general?

On the other end it can discourage consumption of hydrocarbons, too, of
course.

Every industry is affected in some way so... I don't see how the net effect
would be an oil price slump.

Or, were you referring byproducts of PV panel production?

> New Cyber-Weapon Belies Spy Agencies' National Security Claims
> 
> Washington's cyber spies haven't been resting on their laurels since
> unleashing the infamous Stuxnet computer worm in 2009.
> 
> Now, researchers at security firm Symantec have exposed another advanced
> cyber-weapon called Regin, which British and American intelligence
> agencies very likely used to hack into computer systems at the European
> Union, along with other high-level targets around the world.
> 
> The global Regin "hit list" belies the intelligence agencies' claims
> that their spying is limited to missions of national security. Nearly
> half of those targeted were private individuals and small businesses,
> according to Symantec. The other half included telecom providers, energy
> companies, airlines, research institutes and the hospitality industry.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/EKly96
-- (redirects to WhoWhatWhy.com)

It's ok, Regin is for export only. *cough*

Yeaaaaaah, it is.

> The "Double Government" Secret Gets Out
> 
> [...]
> 
> Glennon will likely avoid the damaging label as well, with extensive
> research and more than 800 footnotes in his book to back up his thesis.
> The author "is hardly the sort to engage in such fantasies," Edwards
> wrote:
> 
> This is no secret conspiracy nor a plot to deprive Americans of their
> civil liberties. It is the unintended consequence of a thoughtful
> attempt to head off the very threats that those attempts have
> inadvertently created. But if Glennon's book is enlightening it is also
> scary. And it's not fiction.
> 
> Glennon turns to a familiar explanationthat every nation gets the
> government it deservesto bolster his argument as to why the double
> government has been able to flourish:
> 
> "The ultimate problem is the pervasive political ignorance on the part
> of the American people. And indifference to the threat that is emerging
> from these concealed institutions," he told the Globe.
> 
> [...]

-- http://whowhatwhy.com/2014/11/04/double-government-secret-gets/

What secret conspiracies?
http://articles.latimes.com/1986-01-30/news/mn-2168_1_mafia-lawyers

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_variable_theory

Wilcox says Donovan killed Patton
(he stole the idea from a movie of fiction)

Re #1243:

That story lists three strange attempts at his life rolled into one. He
must've been made of sturdy materials with good probabilistic properties.
Somehow, the alleged hitman is more interesting than the alleged patriot...

As to collusions, this version:

-- http://is.gd/SHfgEb

leaveas out this version:

-- http://www.dtic.mil/get-tr-doc/pdf?AD=ADA441842

Patton fanfic could be leaving out similar details.

Reversal of "Arab Spring": Maybe we can be friends again when Obama
leaves  office? We have wheat, GMO corn and GMO soybeans and a want for
markets to  expand into.
---------------------------------------------------- Egypt court drops
murder charges against Mubarak
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20141129/ml--egypt-75985eb344.html

CAIRO (AP)   An Egyptian court on Saturday dismissed murder charges
against  former President Hosni Mubarak in connection with the killing
of hundreds of  protesters in the 2011 uprising that ended his nearly
three-decade rule,  citing the "inadmissibility" of the case due to a
technicality.

The ruling marks another major setback for the young activists who 
spearheaded the Arab Spring-inspired uprising nearly four years ago --
many  of whom are now in jail or have withdrawn from politics. It will
likely  reinforce the perception that Mubarak's autocratic state remains
in place,  albeit led by a new president, former military chief
Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi.

Morsi, the Islamist who succeeded Mubarak, is also detained and faces a
slew  of charges, including some related to the killing of protesters,
which could  see him sentenced to death. He was elected in Egypt's first
democratic  presidential election in 2012 but was overthrown by el-Sissi
a year later  amid massive protests calling for his resignation.

Since then the government has launched a sweeping crackdown on Morsi's 
Muslim Brotherhood group and other supporters, killing hundreds and
jailing  thousands. It has also jailed scores of secular activists,
including some of  the leaders of the 2011 uprising, for violating a
draconian law regulating  street protests that was adopted a year ago.

What makes you think it ever hinged on whoever the POTUS is?

The success of Arab Spring or severing ties with a former ally?

The course of Egypt's sociopolitical changes and the US' attempts at
sabotaging what's in the best interests of Egyptians. It is POTUS-independent.

#1248 
"The course of Egypt's sociopolitical changes"
Obvious.

"US' attempts at sabotaging what's in the best interests of Egyptians"
Are you 100% certain? 
I'm not. 
Exhibit A:  In a dramatic shift toward a major Arab ally, the Obama 
administration announced a suspension of significant military aid to
Egypt  on Wednesday over the bloody crackdown on the Muslim Brotherhood.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/09/world/meast/us-egypt-aid/
How can Egypt fight against terrorists in Sinai? No more advanced 
helicopters or parts needed to keep their warplanes in service either. 
Obama's hand.

Exhibit B" Related. 
"Washington should be more interested in helping Egypt defeat jihadis
than  in punishing Cairo for its repressive approach in Sinai."

"Sinai-based terrorists have killed over 500 Egyptian security personnel
in  the past three years, staged cross-border attacks against Israel
and, in  some cases, mimicked ISIS s beheading tactics. The recent
announcement that  Ansar Beit al-Maqdis, Sinai's most lethal jihadi
group, has sworn allegiance  to ISIS makes it incumbent on Washington to
start working more closely with  Egypt on counterterrorism."
http://tinyurl.com/q72denh

Egypt's security. Gaza. Terrorists. ISIS. Obama policy interfering. 

Re #1249:

It isn't Obama policy. It's US policy, with or without Obama. POTUS is offered
a range of 'options' by the establishment all of which lead to Rome, and he
is none the wiser. He picks one based on his notions of his relationship to
the establishment and his election platform.

> Are you 100% certain? 

Yes. I'm 100% certain political maturation of Egypt has been stunted for
decades by violent manipulation. It's the equivalent of me cutting your
child's limbs off bit by bit, starting at the fingers.

Bird bomb? 
http://tinyurl.com/o58uxu5

Interesting how low tech solutions are sometimes the most effective. 
I suspect we will be hearing more about this approach to surveillance 
and warfare. 

USN uses dolphins but when Sudan said Israel was deploying spy vultures
everybody laughed.

Sudan is #6 right before Iran. The spy vultures are in boot camp.
The dolphins will soon be replaced. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knifefish_(robot)

Spy vultures like cheeseburgers

Re #1253:

I mostly pity the posterity who has to pay for that junk.

#1255 I would LOVE to see the blueprints for that thing. Why on earth 
does it has to be 19 feet? BIG battery? Perhaps. 

Re #1256:

I don't have the slightest clue, naturally.

I have worked on systems for electric & hybrid vehicles. The batteries 
are usually the big (emphasis on "big") issue. Unless the underwater 
drone is going to be going for short distances for short periods of 
time, the batteries are going to be substantial; especially if they 
plan on re-using the craft. It's going to have to come back to the 
mothership on it's own power. Whatever happened to good old nuclear 
power? ;)

I have seen this in real life many times: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Nucleon

Is there a slur for anti-gentile? "nationality bill" for your 
consideration
---------------------------------------

Conservative movement: Jewish nation-state law will 'erode Israeli 
democracy'
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/.premium-1.629446

Masorti movement's American, Israeli leaders call on Netanyahu to 
reconsider bill that 'risks attrition the rights of Arabs and other 
minorities' and of Israel's democratic values.

"Current versions of a new nationality bill now under discussion 
will erode, rather than strengthen, the democratic character of 
Israel. Strong and clear opposition by leading figures currently in 
office, including President Reuven Rivlin, raise important issues of 
the possible erosion of democratic freedoms resulting from this 
bill, the risk of attrition of the rights of Arabs and other 
minorities and the risk of further eroding values of religious 
pluralism,  the statement said."
-----------------------------------------
Here's the irony: any such bill introduced in any other country's 
parliament would be rightfully demonized. The truth is, this bill if 
signed into law will give justification to countries around the 
world to target Jews and other minorities. 

Where've you been all this time:

> It is hard to muster sympathy for the US, its ignorant country bumpkins
> and vacuous city slickers, but one can't resist a degree of pity at the
> sight of "the world's only superpower" being humiliated by what one
> French diplomat described in a moment of honesty as "that shitty little
> country Israel".
> 
> [...]
> 
> Normally -- in fact, always and without exception -- in order for the US
> to permit citizens of a foreign country to enter the US without a visa,
> that country must allow Americans to enter without a visa as well. There
> are 37 countries which have been permitted entrance into America's "visa
> waiver" programme, and all of them -- all 37 -- reciprocate by allowing
> American citizens to enter their country without a visa.
> 
> This, however, doesn't suit Israel, which routinely refuses to permit
> Americans of Arab ethnicity or Muslim backgrounds, or anyone who is
> critical of Israeli actions or supportive of Palestinian rights, to
> enter the country or the occupied territories it controls. In a massive
> display of chutzpah, it refuses to relinquish this discriminatory
> practice of exclusion toward Americans, even as it seeks to enter the
> US's visa-free programme for the benefit of Israeli citizens.
> 
> But rather than tell Israel to either behave as civilized nations do or
> go to hell, the Zionist stooge, Boxer, joined by eight other Democrats
> and nine Republicans, has introduced a bill that would provide for
> Israel's membership of the visa waiver programme while vesting it with a
> right that no other country in this programme has: namely, the right to
> exclude selected Americans from the visa-free right of entrance.
> 
> [...]

-- http://www.redressonline.com/2013/04/betraying-americans-for-israel/

Also, Jews and minorities my ass. The sacks of shit own half the world.
Everybody else is a minor.

ISIS leader Abu Bakr al Baghdadi's wife and daughter caught sneaking
into  Lebanon.  http://tinyurl.com/n9qq5pk

"Al-Dulaimi's arrest will be used as leverage to negotiate the release
of 27  members of Lebanese security forces who are being held by ISIS,
Reuters  says. Her capture was achieved with the assistance of "foreign 
intelligence." Al-Baghdadi is a mysterious figure; he's thought to be
around 43 years old,  to have been born in Iraq, and to have been held
in U.S. custody in that  country for a period of somewhere between eight
months and four years.  Reports differ as to whether he has two or three
wives." ----------------------------------- Foreign intelligence. Yeah.
Too bad other "terrorists" on the payroll didn't  intercept them and
behead them. 

As oil prices plunge, wide-ranging effects for consumers and the global 
economy
http://tinyurl.com/qcsgxos

Plunging fuel prices are good for the American economy, although
American  oil producers are losers. OPEC annual revenue will suffer.
Russia, Venezuela and Iran are big losers.  Opinions vary on what this
will do the global economy but a 40% savings on  fuel could spur growth.

Rohani, you are the next contestant on Let's Make a Deal!
http://tinyurl.com/mwjhybw
"We can work it out", says Rohani

OPEC itself voted for keeping production levels. Iran complained but didn't
act otherwise. The other side of this is that Iran a heavy importer. Lower
oil price lowers Iran's consumer burden.

Then there's this:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s_commodities_boom

Oil prices won't change Rouhani's hand. What's unclear to me personally is
what his hand is to begin with.

The pain...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ3Ul5HDZ3o

Operation Ridiculingpansy.

US Secretary of State John Kerry says any Iranian action against 
Islamic State (IS) in Iraq would be "positive".
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30306106

He would not confirm Pentagon claims that Iran carried out strikes 
on IS. Iran is not a member of the US-led coalition and denies any 
co-operation.

Mr Kerry praised the alliance for inflicting "significant" damage on 
IS, but said IS ideology, funding and recruitment needed to be 
destroyed.

His comments came after the coalition's first high-level meeting in 
Brussels.

IS controls large areas of Syria and Iraq, imposing a rigid version 
of Sunni Islam and persecuting or killing non-believers.
---------------------------------------------------
The fact that the ISIS weapon wasn't pointed at Iran in the first 
place is interesting to me. "useful idiots" 
I wonder if there's any expected reciprocal back scratching from 
either side. 

Some observations/thoughts on Iran's nuclear plants:
1. Is Stuxnet a distant memory?
2. I do not believe uncle Sam cares about Iran having a nuclear 
bomb. This is Israel's issue. 
3. The timing of Iran's ISIS attack is interesting as it coincides 
with the decision to lift sanctions.
4. What kinds of deals are being made? McDonalds in Tehran? GMO 
Soybeans? You show me your figs and I show you my Hot Pockets?
5. Will the rhetorical frienemy bit end?
6. Would a deal damage uncle Sam's relationship with Bibi? Should 
anyone give a rat's ass? I don't and certainly do not believe many 
do. 

The Crisis in U.S.-Israel Relations Is Officially Here

The Obama administration's anger is "red-hot" over Israel's 
settlement policies, and the Netanyahu government openly expresses 
contempt for Obama's understanding of the Middle East. Profound 
changes in the relationship may be coming.
http://tinyurl.com/q294hvy

The other day I was talking to a senior Obama administration 
official about the foreign leader who seems to frustrate the White 
House and the State Department the most.  The thing about Bibi is, 
he s a chickenshit,  this official said, referring to the Israeli 
prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, by his nickname.

This comment is representative of the gloves-off manner in which 
American and Israeli officials now talk about each other behind 
closed doors, and is yet another sign that relations between the 
Obama and Netanyahu governments have moved toward a full-blown 
crisis. The relationship between these two administrations  dual 
guarantors of the putatively  unbreakable  bond between the U.S. and 
Israel is now the worst it's ever been, and it stands to get 
significantly worse after the November midterm elections. By next 
year, the Obama administration may actually withdraw diplomatic 
cover for Israel at the United Nations, but even before that, both 
sides are expecting a showdown over Iran, should an agreement be 
reached about the future of its nuclear program.
-----------------------------
There's always a "crisis". Remember Germany's anger about the 
(consensual) spying? All lip service. 

I'm not aware of any sanctions-lifting.

Also, I think your time points are not in order.

I do wonder like you do about what these supposed deals are about. To what
end. Who gives and gets what.

It's all a bunch of rich dudes sitting around eating caviar and moving
money while being sure to keep up perceptions.

Eh.

This response has been erased.

> Ferguson Is Not Palestine
> 
> Nothing could please the Likud coalition more than to see the
> Palestinian cause linked to the Ferguson rioters.

-- http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/ferguson-is-not-palestin
e/

The average WASP is literally incapable of processing above article and
understanding its point. TAC has good intentions but it's a hopeless effort.

> Deception is a state of mind and the mind of the State.

Interesting article. My favorite part: 

"they would understand that Palestinians are subject to a blatantly 
unjust and racist regime, facing conditions no American would put up 
with for a moment without resisting. And they would see that this 
Israeli regime heavily subsidized by American tax dollars is 
animated by ideologies sharply at odds with American values, at 
least with how those values have evolved over the past 50 to 100 
years."

I would love to know what The American Conservative thinks "American 
Values" are. But to the argument made in the article, I agree. 
Perhaps some light will break through the cracks of the narrative we 
Americans get from the leftist media when events like this happen. 

Re #1273:

TAC is, nominally at least, a platform for so-called paleocons or
constitutionalists. So 'American values' refers to the usual notions paraded
by people of such persuasion. 

Though, I agree with you. America is what America does. 'American values' are
deceit, theft, and murder. Not, say, respect for pledges or right to due
process.

Due process only counts when making velveeta

I got three sorts of American "cheese" in my fridge. Where can I get my
complimentary long-range cruise missile?

(I really do. It's so good for melting on stuff. And it laaaaaaasts.)

re #1277
what 3?

Re #1278:

Sliced "cheese" products of gouda, cheddar, and parmesan. Kraft style. (No
authentic American cheese like Colby.)

My "real"-er gouda triangles develop mold rather fast. The damn slices look
good long after oily seeds have gone rancid.

RE: 1274: "'American values' are deceit, theft, and murder. Not, say, 
respect for pledges or right to due process."

Don't confuse outside appearances or the actions of some to represent
what  working people in the country understand as values. Still, while I
usually  take a liking to the perspective of TAC, I suspect the writer's
values are  not the values of the average citizen. What are the values
of African  Americans? Muslim Americans? How about the values of the
employees covered  by the teacher's unions? Do their values line up with
mine? Do any of our  values include murder, theft and deceit? Not
likely. Are you trolling? Fair  question I believe.

#1275 Strange you mentioned this because I made the Kraft nacho dip last
 night for the first time in probably a year and paid the price at about
 12:30am (acid reflux). Sad because "cheese food" is really tasty. That 
aside, our justice system is perverted.

#1276 Got any friends in the Muslim Brotherhood? They have the good
stuff. 

#1279 Some of the best cheese in our markets are in the Italian stores
that  are imported from Italy. Really really good cheese but you will
pay a hefty  price. Real American cheese is very good though (not
talking about "cheese  food/processed cheese"). The quality is fairly
consistent between brands  too. Here's one of my favorite suppliers: 
http://boarshead.com/products/cheese

Canadian cheese is also excellent. If you defect we can check out some
shops  in Windsor. 
http://www.yelp.com/search?cflt=cheese&find_loc=Windsor%2C+ON

Regarding asylum, flamboyance is mandatory for good results. 
http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/difficulties-us-asylum-claims-base
d- sexual-orientation

More charity work in India: 
https://news.yahoo.com/11-blind-cataract-surgery-india-090146212.html

Re #1280:

> Don't confuse outside appearances or the actions of some to represent
> what  working people in the country understand as values.

I'm playing Fox News and Sam Harris.

It does stand to reason, though, that if someone fills their fuel tank with
someone else's blood and slaps the 'American values' label on it they be held
responsible for those values.

Speaking of cheese, Palo Alto Networks took me on a tour of Testarossa
in Los Gatos the day before we sat all day looking at everything
they're putting out there including some NDA future products.
The artisan cheeses only had one American line which was called Dante which
is a Wisconsin sheep dairy cooperative made with butter, grass, and 
lanolin sweeteners.  The others were Cahill Porter and Welsch Cheddar
from Ireland and a manchego from the Manchega region of Spain.
I'm still suffering from a cold/flu after spending a whole day in those
friggn wine cellars.

Lanolin is a grease from sheep's wool, not a sweetener.

> Identify applications regardless of port, protocol, evasive tactic or
> Secure Sockets Layer

Is that an invitation to corporate MITM or a claim about having broken SSL?

#1282 you need to take a better look at America's oil supply 
chain. 
Also, values = blood = oil? 
I'm pretty sure I can follow your logic but you need to be 
realistic about trade and economic reality. I know its fun to 
draw vilians and heroes.

re #1284
It's used by alot of breastfeeding moms, too

Re #1286:

America doesn't trade, baby. America steals. That's reality.

I know a bit about America's supply chains. Do you wish to make a clearer
point of it?

With statements like "America steals" there really no point in
discussing  supply chains or trade. You've made up your mind.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhtuMrMVJDk

Re #1289:

I thought you were the Tough Skin Man. I have made up my mind, of course. I'm
trying to make yours up for you, too :-)

You could try presenting your counter, anyhow. At the very least you could
eventually come to the conclusion that I'm wrong.

America steals is a reality but if it's any consolation I could tell you that
others steal, too. It's basically like Cosa Nostra on the one hand and bunches
of petty thieves here and there on the other. Doesn't that make you proud?

Speaking of Cosa Nostra
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/12/08/world/middleeast/hostage-nearly-free-o
n-r
ansom-killed-during-seal-raid.html

What I find hilarious is that Western governments' travel advisories still
stir the to-be hostages away from Iran, to the greener pastures. Baaa!

America, the Big Fat Thief, Liar, and Murderer; Beloved of Sir Mister walkman:

> Incidentally, one outcome of the coup was that the United States took
> over from Britain about 40 percent of the share in Iranian oil. It had
> been 100 percent British. That wasn't actually the goal of the effort,
> it's just in the normal course of events. But it was part of the general
> displacement of British power by U.S. power in that region, and in fact,
> throughout the world. Just sort of a normal reflection of the
> distribution of power elsewhere. The New York Times had a nice editorial
> about it, in which they praised the coup, and said, "Underdeveloped
> countries with rich resources now have an object lesson in the heavy
> cost that must be paid by one of their number which goes berserk with
> fanatical nationalism." And it should teach other Mossadeqs elsewhere in
> the world that they should be careful before trying to do something like
> going "berserk" and gaining control of their own resources, which of
> course are ours, not theirs.

-- http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/200311--.htm

#1294 "the United States took over from Britain about 40 percent of the 
share in Iranian oil."

Flimsy. I like Noam Chomsky too. Where are the sources beyond "Noam 
Chomsky said it?" Where is the source that shows America "stole" Iran's 
oil? 

Isolationist propaganda and myths volume 1. 

That't just the tip of the iceberg. Just the tip, baby boy.

LOL. Flimsy? Flimsy is your entire sense of nationhood. A whiff of vapor
floating off a miasma an Anglo-Jew had somewhere someday. "Peace through
strength."

Your blood intake from last five years: 200,000+ Syrians; 5000+ Palestinians;
uncounted Yemenis, Bahrainis, and AfPak people. The prize? Pars, Tamar, and
Leviathan Gas. It's running off your chin. *hands walkman a wet wipe*

-- http://is.gd/OqI8jd
+
-- http://is.gd/OPoA3s
+
> Shariah Finance Watch is a project of the Center for Security Policy's
> program to educate the public and policymakers about the dangers of
> Shariah. For a more in-depth look at Shariah, see Shariah: The Threat to
> America, a report by 19 top national security practitioners including
> the former Director of Central Intelligence, the former Deputy
> Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, and the former Director of
> the Defense Intelligence Agency. Shariah: The Threat to America is
> available on paperback and Kindle at Amazon.com.

-- http://www.shariahfinancewatch.org/blog/about-shariah-finance/

+

> The Center for Security Policy (CSP) is a Washington, D.C. think tank
> that focuses on national security issues. CSP was founded in 1988 by
> Frank Gaffney, Jr. and advocates policies based on a philosophy of
> "Peace through Strength". Their belief is the well guided use of
> America's force to both enforce peace and to protect the United States
> as a whole.

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy

338,000 Iranians defected to America, the flimsy nation state up to 
2000 and counting. It's horrible here and all those Iranian Americans 
should feel guilty about all those dead Syrians and Palestinians. I've 
Fed Ex'ed them all Kleenex tm to wipe their chins too. 

For a flimsy nation state, America has quite the global impact. 
It's a good thing isolationist rhetoric, envy and Chomsky interviews 
can diminish it! The iceberg is old and the tip has rounded off due to 
climate change. 

See? You're proud of it :-)

Are you proud of juvenile executions? How about traditional shariah 
punishment for thieves, including amputations? 
The value of woman's life is half that of a man in Iran. Proud?
Arresting post-pubescent women for not covering their hair and body, 
stoning women adulterers, 137 known juvenile offenders awaiting 
execution in Iran, torturing prisoners...all stuff to be proud of.
8,906 government opponents were executed between 1980-1985. 
Backward. Ass. Country. What has Iran given the world in the last 
100 years that has improved the human condition? Oil and gas 
production. You portray Americans as having oil dripping from their 
mouths. What man-servant is serving the beverage? How is YOUR sense 
of nationhood? Cradle of civilization reduced to oil prostitution 
and human rights abuses. 

I don't have a sense of nationhood. I have a strong sense of survival and an
appetite for vengeance.

> Iran Is Officially A Real Player In The Global Cyber War

-- http://is.gd/mG8Ut6
-- (redirects to Business Insider)

ROFL. Persian idiom: "You yourself crack the joke and you yourself laugh at
it--an arftul man you are."

Are you betting on the right "startups," tod? There's going to be so much
gravy running off the backs of American idiots.

#1300 time for you to take ownership of 
Iran. Otherwise don't pin imagined and 
real wrongs on the likes of people like 
me.

#1301 I see I was successful at smoking 
out the Jew and America hater.
1 dimensional and sad. What a waste.

Re #1302:

> time for you to take ownership of Iran.

I can't be a jingo. Sorry.

---------------------------------------

> Otherwise don't pin imagined and real wrongs on the likes of people like
> me.

Taking responsibility. You yourself said it's important.

---------------------------------------

#1301 is good investment advice, though. What's with the dislike?

#1303 Your extreme (and dramatic) position on America is jingoist 
because it is the outward face of your home nation. If you disagree, 
I can provide inflammatory/propaganda quotes from your leaders that 
appear quite similar to your words. 

Your words (just a sampling): 

America doesn't trade, baby. America steals. That's reality.

There's going to be so much gravy running off the backs of American 
idiots.

Flimsy is your entire sense of nationhood. A whiff of vapor
floating off a miasma an Anglo-Jew had somewhere someday. 

America, the Big Fat Thief, Liar, and Murderer.

America steals is a reality but if it's any consolation I could tell 
you that others steal, too. 

It does stand to reason, though, that if someone fills their fuel 
tank with someone else's blood and slaps the 'American values' label 
on it they be held responsible for those values.

Re #1304:

Your criminality doesn't absolve me. My criminality doesn't absolve you.

If "my" leaders say what I have said they're telling the truth. Truth doesn't
fly a flag.

1 != 1000, by the way.

"If "my" leaders say what I have said they're telling the truth."

Wow that's arrogance. 

"They (the Western powers) launched the myth of the Holocaust. They 
lied, they put on a show and then they support the Jews." 

"We thank God that our enemies are idiots." 

Familiar words from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

The truth because bellstar agrees. 

(P => Q) != (Q => P)

They don't teach basic logic in American schools? :-(

http://tinyurl.com/l3yw8zl

-- http://is.gd/plZpbC

http://tinyurl.com/mtu6vwg

and caring

http://tinyurl.com/knromzw

and pilot

http://tinyurl.com/pmbv2du

http://www.debate.org/opinions/is-a-majority-of-the-islamic-world-backwar
d

I see you automatically associated #1309. Pavlovlian goodness.

Er, sans an 'l' from #1312.

Well fed with great career, great family, very nice home, good 
family/friends and excellent prospects for the future. Something to be 
proud of IMO.

Counting my blessings. There's nothing you can say or do to take it 
away. If I'm a jingo for loving all of the above, put in on my 
gravestone. God Bless AMERICA!!!

Gloating over what you have has nothing to do with acknowledging how it is
earned. Your blood isn't redder than others'.

To fail to acknowledge the crimes of a collective identity by taking personal
offense to their mention is one symptom of jingoism.

Excellent. USA!
The West is the best. The blood of others. 
LOL. The great minds, technology and 
natural resources are all here and we have 
our own oil. 

Iran is so backward it can barely catch up 
to 1960s without reverse engineering our 
superior technology.

We lead the last two centuries and will 
continue to do. Hate will be marginalized.

re #1315
 Your blood isn't redder than others'.

http://tinyurl.com/ksvblj4

Re #1317:

Oleg is quite the operator. I've been wondering about his finances.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ttDUGM-1mU

Re #1316:

If you need to use many words it doesn't count as trolling. Efficiency counts.

Troll Tips 101 ~ Professor Bellstar

If I said it and I agree with it, it's the truth, regardless of word 
count. 

http://tinyurl.com/lqcvhfc

Egypt arrests men for 'debauchery' after hosting 'gay bath house 
orgy'
http://tinyurl.com/loz663o
Men could face lengthy prison terms in conservative country on 
charges related to homosexual activity

Egyptian police detained 26 men in a raid on a Cairo bath house 
after receiving a tip that they were holding gay orgies, a security 
source said on Monday.
Homosexuality is not specifically banned under Egyptian law, but the 
state does persecute and imprison gay men on charges such 
"debauchery" and "shameless public acts."
If tried and convicted they could face lengthy prison terms.
The men were dragged out of the bath house, or hammam, naked in 
downtown Cairo, according to one official.
After the men were taken away overnight, a public prosecutor said 
they would be held for four days pending a decision on whether to 
press formal charges of debauchery.

Eh.

German party backs off much-mocked language demand
http://tinyurl.com/kkgz53k

BERLIN (AP)   One of Germany's governing parties backpedaled Monday 
from a call for immigrants to speak German even at home, giving way 
in the face of a storm of criticism and mockery even from allies.

Merkel ally warns SPD against own diplomacy towards Russia Reuters
The conservative Christian Social Union was on the defensive over a 
draft motion drawn up by senior officials for a party conference 
this week, stating that people wanting permanent residency "should 
be urged to speak German in public and in the family."

The call came at a time of anxiety in Germany and elsewhere in 
Europe over immigration and increasing numbers of refugees. Critics 
viewed it as at best absurd, at worst a ploy to win votes by 
pandering to anti-immigrant sentiment.

The general secretary of Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian 
Democrats, Peter Tauber, said on Twitter it's "none of politicians' 
business whether I speak Latin, Klingon or Hessian at home," 
referring to his home region's dialect.

Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel said no one in his center-left party 
"would come up with the idea of banning immigrants from speaking 
their mother tongue, and I am sure that we will never reach this 
level of political dementia."

Europe has a serious "assimilation" issue because its (short and bloody)
period of enforced homogeneity has given it bad habits. For some reason Russia
is always on the wrong side of the Guardian. Once it was too far to the left,
now it is too far to the right:

> We should beware Russia's links with Europe's right

-- http://is.gd/75VQOH
-- (redirects to The Guardian)

<insert the necessary reference to American "assimilation" issues>

Der Tod ist ein Dandy auf einem Pferd

Man screaming  I want to kill the Jews!  shot dead by cops in 
Brooklyn after stabbing student in the face at Chabad-Lubavitch 
headquarters in Brooklyn
http://tinyurl.com/kmmsuft

A deranged man screaming  I want to kill the Jews!  invaded 
Lubavitcher headquarters in Brooklyn early Tuesday and stabbed a 
yeshiva student in the head before he was shot to death by police.

Levi Rosenblatt was praying when Calvin Peters barged inside, 
whipped out a knife with a 5-inch blade and attacked him, witnesses 
said.

 Levi had his hands up, trying to block the individual with his 
arms,  Mendy Notik, 22, said.  He was saying,  I will kill you.  And 
after Levi, he went towards another young student and he said,  I 
will kill the Jews!  

Notik said Rosenblatt, an Israeli, was bloodied but somehow managed 
to escape.

 He had blood on his shoulder, coming out from the side of his head, 
and he was screaming,  He stabbed me! He stabbed me!   Notik said of 
his friend.  He was in a panic. 

Summoned by other screaming yeshiva students, Police Officer Timothy 
Donohue, who is based at the Chabad-Lubavitch World Headquarters in 
Crown Heights, called for backup and raced inside to confront 
Peters.
----------------------------------------
They didn't mention in the article if the deranged man was of Middle 
Easter descent. 

Iran's secret police created by United States and Israeli 
intelligence officers in 1957.
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field(DOCID+ir0187)
----------------------------------------------------
So happy together. 
The U.S. isn t panicking over Iran s military operations in Iraq
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/.premium-1.630195

Tehran and Washington s common interests could serve the U.S. 
administration when it presents a final nuclear agreement to 
Congress.

While the negotiations continue, Iran is also busy with the war 
against the Islamic State in Iraq   and busy with the Kurdish 
region. Pictures of an Iranian Phantom jet in Iraqi skies this week 
triggered a denial that Iran is coordinating its military operations 
in Iraq with the United States.
--------------------------------------
I wonder if CIA trained useful idiots offer the "broomstick or 
drill" enhanced interrogation to their neighbors. Either way, clears 
up time for Obama to host John Stewart. 

Daughter of SAVAK deputy is "curing" Ebola now.

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardis_Sabeti

Re #1327:

It's a pity the Israeli hasn't died yet.

tod how did the garden do?

Now here's a real human:

> I Can't Be Forgiven for Abu Ghraib
> 
> The Torture Report Reminds Us of What America Was

-- http://is.gd/kPhmNh
-- (redirects to NY Times)

A rare thing in America. It's rare ones like him, though, that make all the
difference.

He probably can relate to this other man:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeed_Hajjarian

People who engage in beheading and suicide bombs on civilians have ZERO 
rights to be treated like human beings.

Water boarding is offensive because often it's the first time the 
filthy animals have had a bath. They should be grateful for the 3 hots 
and the cot. I would expect far worse accommodations from Taliban or 
the cowards in al Qaeda. Harvest their organs and burn the corpses. 

Now here's a real terrorist because he's no different from the ones 
shown in terrorist propaganda videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mrZ1kGCfo

Guess why I think you have ZERO rights to be treated like a human being :-)

It is all a matter of perspective and where you stand.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferiority_complex

You just don't know any better.

Remember that wet wipe? It was for blood, not oil. This is the cost of the
blood running down your chin:

-- http://is.gd/ujj6he

There is no way to be inferior to that. You've landed at the very bottom of
the abyss.

*yawn*
yeah okay

Eh.

re #1336
 There is no way to be inferior to that.

There is always something to judge in others.  Dope pushers, religion
control freaks, boys with guns, cops punching wheelchairbound, and even
something as simple as a woman yelling at a child or letting that
child starve.  The world doesn't have enough bullets for the amount
of judgement I could pass on others but what does that say about character
to pass judgement from a glass house.
I see very little difference between ISIL and the 700 Club - they're both
full of women hating pedophiles, imo.

re #1331
The garden did well but the cold came too soon.  I will probably kickstar
a garage germination soon.

This insistence that my government's sins are my sins is ridiculous.
I don't put Iran killing political opponents or stoning women or
sodomizing  boys on bell star. I don't take responsibility for a baby
boomer firebombing  women and children in Vietnam when I was 3 years
old.

It's a logic failure as far as I'm concerned. My doings are on me. I
don't  applaud torture or killing or order it or reap rewards directly.
Some dirtbag sells out another dirtbag who gets the broom in the pooper.
 Okay. You play with guns and you pay the price. It goes both ways.
PTSD,  survivor's guilt and war injury/death for volunteers is also a
price. Life is not fair. I eat chocolate cake and pistachios. I sleep in
a nice  bed. Believe me, there is no oil or blood on my face. 

It froze here around Oct  7 but the kale and turnip and radish greens are
still alive and perk up on warmer days.  Which beans matured for you?
What do you germinate in a garage?

Re #1339:

Passing judgment is not equivalent to dishing out a punishment. It's for the
sake of historical record. Outside of TV crime drama, inside of reality, most
criminals get away with their crimes. Acknowledging one's participation in
crime is part of knowing one's place in the world. Reminding oneself and
others of it is an act of charity. That's pretty much the only purpose reading
the "news" has.

As to ISIL and 700 Club or whatever, everyone has their own petty villains.
And then there are the godfathers.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Re #1340:

> Some dirtbag sells out another dirtbag who gets the broom in the pooper.

You don't know what you're talking about. You need to actually live a fraction
of the bullshit you spew to get perhaps a sense of its stench. I don't expect
words alone to carry it over to you. Responsibility is a dish best served with
a punch in the face and I'm not one who can or wants to deliver that punch
to anyone, much less you. Go to your nice bed now.

Ha ha here comes the tough guy act. 
I see you.
http://tinyurl.com/k3xkhaw

Nah. I'm a frail person though I have a spine. I realize, however, you cannot
tell a moral stance from a gesture of physical imposition. Not a failure I
can help with.

My observation: while I can accept things are not perfect where I live
and  am willing to discuss and criticize it, you lose your mind when any
ridicule  or criticism comes your way of where you live. You try to
writhe your way  out with vague intellectual pestering but believe me,
it is transparent to  everyone. The tough guy act and the abstract
threats are laughable.  It's also amusing to me that with three people
left in this massage board,  it has to devolve into this. It all started
with your Jew hatred and moved  onto your copycat isolationist "death to
America" garbage. Do you see how  that is off putting?  I decided to
serve you your own medicine and we can all observe how you  break down.
Your real head is revealed. You like to say that you are a  simple,
uncomplicated person. I agree. Pseudo-intellectual hiding behind a 
keyboard while criticizing/loathing the outside world. Get a life! 

Where do you feel threatened?

> Why Is Yemen So Violent? Because It Is So Poor and Thirsty

-- http://is.gd/U1qxc8
-- (redirects to The Nation)

re #1341
 Which beans matured for you?
 What do you germinate in a garage?

I have to go look at the tags tomorrow in the sunlight.  They are there - 
just dormant.

re #1346
 Where do you feel threatened?

In my Dodge&Cox and then in my Wasatch Core Growth.  You?

Troy and Gary join PsyOps
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/02/07/1170524164102.html

Re #1348:

Question was re. walkman's claim.

That said, I had a panic attack yesterday thinking my coccyx had fallen off.

It's a double header:

Broomsticks and rubber hoses. #SlipperySadid

Ex-CIA director defends rectal rehydration
http://tinyurl.com/mf2f6xa

---------------------------------------
#sexualhealing #whynoKY?
'Sexual threat with broomstick' among CIA anti-terror tactics due to 
be revealed in damning report
http://tinyurl.com/l6vfbc6

The report will include graphic details about sexual threats and 
other harsh interrogation techniques the CIA dealt out to captured 
militants in the years after the September 11 attack, sources have 
claimed.

That stuff doesn't quite move me as it should. For years US State Department
accused Iran of doing it so I'm used to the stories. They've been best buddies
all along.

> [...] captured militants [...]

Yeah. "Captured" "militants."

James Foley was tortured and then killed. His death will be used to 
justify the killing of many, many people. Mission accomplished. 

ISIS trying to sell beheaded body of James Foley for $1mn
http://rt.com/usa/213715-isis-james-foley-body/

"Having executed three Americans already, it is possible that the 
militants believe their remains could bring their families to the 
table with cash. It is unclear if the group is also trying to sell 
the bodies of journalist Steve Sotloff and former solider Peter 
Kassig."
-------------------------------------------------------
Amateurs. What a business model. It is all about business for them 
isn't it? Does OPEC see them as a competitor? Do they have oil rig 
repairmen?
I would like to see a queer Saudi oil prince buy the remains and 
display them for posterior posterity. 

Yeah, I'm aware how warped America is. Like a bigger ISIS. Bunch of savages.

I found that oil prince you wanted:

-- http://www.bbj.hu/images2/201412/rick-brennan_20141212084049137.jpg

"Religion of peace." 
-----------------------------------------
Islamic ISIS savages behead four children: Christian leader
http://tinyurl.com/ka2zht6

Four Christian children were beheaded by ISIS militants in Iraq for 
refusing to denounce Jesus and convert to Islam, according to the 
leader of the Anglican church in Baghdad.
Canon Andrew White, known as the  Vicar of Baghdad,  fled Iraq in 
October for Israel and recounted how brutal the country has become 
for Christians.
 ISIS turned up and said to the children,  You say the words that 
you will follow Mohammed,    White said in video posted on the 
Christian Broadcasting Network website.
 The children, all under 15, four of them, they said,  No, we love 
Yeshua [Jesus], we have always loved Yeshua. 
 They chopped all their heads off.
 How do you respond to that? You just cry. 
---------------------------------------------
No one wants to hear this of course but we must look at these 
matters from a practical perspective. If someone killed the Islamic 
ISIS savages when they were children, we wouldn't be talking about 
the savage acts. 

Galatians 6:7-8
Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that 
will he also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from 
the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will 
from the Spirit reap eternal life.

Then again, the 'fiery god figure' proposed this to ISIS' ancestors:

> Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is the one who repays you
> according to what you have done to us.
> 
> Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the
> rocks.

-- Psalm 137:8-9

They're just following the ancient alien program.

http://tinyurl.com/nm9yh6o

Two of a kind:

-- http://is.gd/MLXG7S

re #1350
 That said, I had a panic attack yesterday thinking my coccyx had fallen off.

Sorry to hear that.  I had to work hard for a year straight to get my
sacrum from wobbling.  What an inconvenient and horribly uncomfortable
situation.

re #1355
 I found that oil prince you wanted

Ha! www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMVrxgvR_Xw
"...importantly parallel.."  "...within the crisis - there is
OPPORTUNITY"

re #1358
http://thenorthcaucasus.wordpress.com/2014/03/18/mass-graves/

http://youtu.be/fmXkyRdOPJg

Bye bye mother fuckers:http://tinyurl.com/o9w9ps7

Just another tool in the toolbox.

Re #1360:

Having a long tail and all. LOL.

The truth about cheap oil:

Saudi Arabia's oil war against Iran and Russia
http://tinyurl.com/q7xgb37

Teaser: "The Saudis believe they can no longer rely on the US to contain
 Tehran s imminent nuclear threat, so they re out to do what our
lukewarm  sanctions couldn t."

Suspense as the plot thickens.

Take heed "rouge nations!" LOL ha ha ha ha ha 

Another thread of speculation says Saudis (and others?) are trying to drive
smaller American shale hydrocarbon businesses to bankruptcy at which point
they will be acquired for cheap by larger players, Saudis included, and the
new expensive oil cycle restarted.

There're many such threads and no reliable (publicly available) analysis which
integrates all the pieces of information in a sensible way. Depending on whom
you ask you get a different analysis which tends to distort or omit one or
more pieces of information. That's not even counting how unreliable the
information itself is.

> Congressional spending bill OKs Israel defense aid, Iran and P.A.
> oversight
> 
> WASHINGTON (JTA) -- The massive spending bill passed by Congress
> includes defense assistance for Israel along with tightened oversight of
> Palestinian funding and Iran nuclear talks.
> 
> Included in the $1.1 trillion omnibus bill passed in the Senate by a
> 56-40 vote on Saturday night was the $3.1 billion in annual defense
> spending for Israel under a 2007 memorandum of understanding between the
> United States and Israel. An additional $620 million in joint
> U.S.-Israel missile defense programs also was part of the measure.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/TA8S7v
-- (redirects to JTA)

Omnomnomnom.

I read someone saying "bomb bomb bomb" in the US Congress is how they say
"bitch, where's my money."

ROVE DEFENDS CIA'S USE OF RECTAL FEEDING TUBES
http://tinyurl.com/ltqfkad

"First of all, lets get the rectal feedings out. There are in this 
report nine references on 14 pages to rectal feeding. Four of those 
five, it's discussed as being a result of a hunger strike by the 
detainee." Adding, "Waterboarding, confinement, slapping, smashing 
against walls, these were carefully designed with an idea, with the 
principals in mind of our statutory obligations and international 
commitments." 
-------------------------------------------
CIA interrogators heroes not torturers: Cheney
http://tinyurl.com/q6sp7jn

"I'm perfectly comfortable that they should be praised, they should 
be decorated," the right-hand man to former president George W. Bush 
told NBC television's "Meet the Press" program, adding, "I'd do it 
again in a minute."
-------------------------------------------
Sometimes a bath is just a bath and a broom is an old school colon 
check. #brothersinarms

Pardon Bush and Those Who Tortured
http://tinyurl.com/lba4hkj

The Procedures should take a trip to America.

> Torture and Democracy
> Darius Rejali | 2008

-- http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8490.html

+ 

> 1. Your new book, 'Torture and Democracy,' reflects a lengthy engagement
> with the subject of torture as a phenomenon over a vast stretch of time
> and among many different societies. But in the preface, you start by
> relating something about your own background as an Iranian-American,
> trying to understand how torture was transforming Iran and complicating
> its evolution in modern times. Did developments in Iran lead you to this
> subject? In what ways do you think torture has affected the political
> culture of Iran and its extremely awkward relations with the rest of the
> world?
> 
> Most people think torture is a barbaric survivor and that it would
> disappear over time with progress. This is a mistake, and my experience
> growing up in Iran taught me that and led me to write Torture and
> Modernity: Self, State and Society in Iran (1994). I used Iran to show
> that while old ritualistic, public torture would disappear over time,
> other tortures would survive and new techniques would appear, let's call
> these modern torture.
> 
> I remember one distinguished expert who reviewed my work said,
> basically, how can Rejali say torture is part of modernity? If that was
> true, America would torture too. It really was amazing, in retrospect,
> how willfully blind people wanted to be. I grew up in Iran at a time
> when the Shah's secret police, the SAVAK, did not hesitate torturing
> Islamic and Marxist insurgents. No one thought torture was something
> incompatible with cars, fast food, washing machines and other parts of
> modern life. I remember talking to a high-ranking SAVAK officer years
> after the Shah was gone, and he certainly felt he played an important
> role in modernization. It wasn't the last time I've heard torturers say
> how important they are in making their country safe for economic
> opportunity.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/aM4vU6
-- (redirects to Harper's Magazine/Harper's Blog)

Of note is that COIN was modelled on French counterinsurgency in Algeria.

(Thug boy here alluded at that before. I couldn't really figure what position
he was taking but it smelled to me like he actually felt righteous being the
Gendarme or that he was equivocating.)

The Iranian false flag is picture perfect:

> Picture emerging of alleged Sydney hostage-taker

-- http://is.gd/1QA52a
-- (redirects to CNN)

Inconsistences:

1. sought asylum because he was under criminal investigation in Iran;

2. has been in Australia for 20 years;

3. has claimed to be a cleric but has no credentials;

4. has changed his name from Persian to Arabic;

5. has changed his religion;

6. claimed Iranian "secret police" wanted to kill him;

7. has flown an ISIS flag on alleged rampage.

And now his CNN picture looks like he came straight out of Qom.

In 2001, mentioned side by side with GWB:

> New Cardinals for Rome, George Bush, Muslims in Australia
> 
> [...]
> 
> Whenever I walk in the street, whenever I go out in Australia, I feel I
> am in a real religious society. I don't want to say it is perfect, we
> don't have a perfect society on the earth, but when we compare, if we
> compare Australia with Iran and other countries in the Middle East, we
> can say it is heaven.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/Y58xTb
-- (redirects to ABC.net.au)

Too good to be true.

It's the gun's fault, not the man or his religion. 

Certainly not his religion because he didn't have one.

Turns out he was wanted in Iran for 200K USD worth of fraud. Australians
refused to return him and gave him asylum because he was obviously a
"liberal"-minded man fleeing evil Iran and, of course, he gave the right
interview about how Australia was heaven and Iran hell.

It's great that boomerangs return. Then again, Australia's jingo leaders and
Christian Zionists should've taken the hit not random bystanders.

Who's to say the SWAT guys didn't shoot the hostages on their way in?

They didn't need to. He had already been indicted for being an accessory to
murder, on top of a string of sexual offenses, but had been released on bail.

The real question is: is he actually dead now; or did he earn a clean slate,
a new passport, and a wad of cash?

His looks before Operation Mullahs-in-Australia:

> 'Cleric' Man Haron Monis pleads guilty over dead Digger letters

-- http://is.gd/KUUaAh
-- (redirects to The Australian)

> Iran Said to Discount Light Crude to Asia to Deepest in 14 Years
> 
> Iran is said to be offering its main crude grade to customers in Asia at
> the deepest discount in 14 years, taking a cue from Saudi Arabia in
> trimming price differentials.
> 
> National Iranian Oil Co. cut its official selling price for January
> shipments of light crude to Asia to a discount of $1.80 a barrel below
> the regional benchmark as Middle Eastern producers vie to keep selling
> in the region, according to four people with knowledge of the decision.
> An official at NIOC's crude-marketing department in Tehran declined to
> comment.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/l12lPW
-- (redirects to Bloomberg)

Paging Agent Rubin!

Agent Woo and Agent Yee disagree.

> Baosteel Will Recycle World Trade Center Debris

-- http://www.china.org.cn/english/2002/Jan/25776.htm

Islamic fundamentalists winning the war on terror by killing their own 
children. 
http://tinyurl.com/owzy8c7

#1377 I hope their machines can sort out nano-thermite particles from 
the steel. Will they fly planes into the steel to melt it? One can 
wonder and dream. 

Re #1378:

Only a complete idiot would call that 'their own children.'

Like everything else that touches America, "Muslims" who touch it become
corrupt liars, thieves, and murderers. Nothing to see there other than America
killing more children.

> Human Rights Watch wrote in 2000:
> 
> Of all the foreign powers involved in efforts to sustain and manipulate
> the ongoing fighting [in Afghanistan], Pakistan is distinguished both by
> the sweep of its objectives and the scale of its efforts, which include
> soliciting funding for the Taliban, bankrolling Taliban operations,
> providing diplomatic support as the Taliban's virtual emissaries abroad,
> arranging training for Taliban fighters, recruiting skilled and
> unskilled manpower to serve in Taliban armies, planning and directing
> offensives, providing and facilitating shipments of ammunition and fuel,
> and ... directly providing combat support.

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

+

> The Kunduz airlift, also known as the Airlift of Evil, refers to the
> evacuation of thousands of top commanders and members of the Taliban and
> Al-Qaeda, their Pakistani advisers including Pakistani Inter-Services
> Intelligence agents and army personnel, and other Jihadi volunteers and
> sympathizers, from the city of Kunduz, Afghanistan, in November 2001
> just before its capture by U.S. and United Front of Afghanistan
> (Northern Alliance) forces during the War in Afghanistan. As described
> in several reports, the Taliban and Al-Qaeda combatants were safely
> evacuated from Kunduz and airlifted by Pakistan Air Force cargo aircraft
> to Pakistan Air Force bases in Chitral and Gilgit in Pakistan
> Administered Kashmir's Northern Areas.
> 
> [...]
> 
> More details of the event finally emerged in the 2008 book Descent into
> Chaos by the investigative journalist Ahmed Rashid:
> 
> One senior (U.S.) intelligence analyst told me, "The request was made by
> Musharraf to Bush, but Cheney took charge -- a token of who was handling
> Musharraf at the time. The approval was not shared with anyone at State,
> including Colin Powell, until well after the event. Musharraf said
> Pakistan needed to save its dignity and its valued people. Two planes
> were involved, which made several sorties a night over several nights.
> They took off from air bases in Chitral and Gilgit in Pakistan
> Administered Kashmir's Northern Areas, and landed in Kunduz, where the
> evacuees were waiting on the tarmac. Certainly hundreds and perhaps as
> many as one thousand people escaped. Hundreds of ISI officers, Taliban
> commanders, and foot soldiers belonging to the Islamic Movement of
> Uzbekistan and Al Qaeda personnel boarded the planes. What was sold as a
> minor extraction turned into a major air bridge. The frustrated U.S. SOF
> who watched it from the surrounding high ground dubbed it "Operation
> Evil Airlift."

--  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_airlift

#1379 "Like everything else that touches America, "Muslims" who 
touch it become corrupt liars, thieves, and murderers. Nothing to 
see there other than America killing more children."

America

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different from Islamic nations? Learn more about America symptoms 
and types so you ll know what you re up against. Find out the 
warning signs of more serious problems with it so you can prevent 
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Symptoms
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America symptoms make you feel a sense of freedom which leads to 
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treat these early on. Also, find out when to call the tribal witch 
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Treatments
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village burning and black flag waving may eradicate your America 
disease. 

Re #1380:

Mostly correct. Except you got symptoms and treatments reversed.

> Who whacked Admiral Darlan? My guess is that Winston Churchill ordered it

-- http://is.gd/5XThsv
-- (redirects to Foreign Policy)

My suspicion is that Churchill whacked a lot of guys. 

Pakistani death toll rises to 141. 
http://tinyurl.com/o9uxqdw

An assault led by the Taliban on a Pakistan military-run school 
Tuesday left 141 people dead, 132 of which were children, officials 
say, in the worst attack to hit the country in years.

The horrific attack in Peshawar, carried out by a relatively small 
number of militants from the Tehreek-e-Taliban group, a Pakistani 
militant group trying to overthrow the government, also sent dozens 
of wounded flooding into local hospitals as terrified parents 
searched for their children.

"My son was in uniform in the morning. He is in a casket now," 
wailed one parent, Tahir Ali, as he came to the hospital to collect 
the body of his 14-year-old son Abdullah. "My son was my dream. My 
dream has been killed."
----------------------------------
I think it's safe to say Taliban wins the war on terror. 
Overthrowing the government by killing children. Smart people. Maybe 
America made them do it.  

All the difference is in being able to substantiate the suspicion, I guess.

> [...]
> 
> "Apparently it is more important to save the Greeks and liberated
> countries than the Indians and there is reluctance either to provide
> shipping or to reduce stocks in this country," writes Sir Wavell in his
> account of the meetings. Mr Amery is more direct. "Winston may be right
> in saying that the starvation of anyhow under-fed Bengalis is less
> serious than sturdy Greeks, but he makes no sufficient allowance for the
> sense of Empire responsibility in this country," he writes.
> 
> Some three million Indians died in the famine of 1943. The majority of
> the deaths were in Bengal. In a shocking new book, Churchill's Secret
> War, journalist Madhusree Mukherjee blames Mr Churchill's policies for
> being largely responsible for one of the worst famines in India's
> history. It is a gripping and scholarly investigation into what must
> count as one of the most shameful chapters in the history of the Empire.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/PXfG2u
-- (redirects to BBC.co.uk)

A great hero for the Anglo-Jew "race."

Re #1384:

> America made them do it.  

No, America didn't. They are proud Americans already. America is their daddy,
as all the evidence in the world demonstrates.

What good is OPEC? Anyone remember all that rhetoric about how the 
dollar was screwed because China and Russia replaced the dollar as 
the international reserve currency? "The agreement is a symbolic 
blow to US global financial hegemony and a signal of Russian-Chinese 
rapprochement"[1]

Russian Rate Jump Fails to Stop Ruble Crash
http://tinyurl.com/kn29h7o

The ruble plummeted into a freefall, losing as much as 19 percent as 
panic swept across Russian financial markets after a surprise 
interest-rate increase failed to stem the run on the currency.

The ruble sank beyond 80 per dollar, a record low, before rebounding 
to 68 after Economy Minister Alexei Ulyukayev denied speculation 
that the government would turn to currency restrictions next to stop 
Russians from converting their money into dollars. Bonds and stocks 
also tumbled, with the RTS equity gauge dropping the most in six 
years.

 I am speechless,  Jean-David Haddad, an emerging-market strategist 
at OTCex Group in Paris, said in a message.  What a failure for the 
central bank. Russia would need to announce capital controls today. 
That is the last solution. 

[1] Russia, China sign deal to bypass U.S. dollar, 
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/20/russia-china-
bankdeal.html

If a falling RUB is bad for Russia why is an undervalued RMB good for China?

The real war is here:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Development_Bank

OPEC is of little relevance.

North Koreans are going to reveal BRICS members playing naked Twister 
on Christmas. I heard Putin is all air if you know what I mean.

I didn't know Naked Twister and now I regret that I've learnt.

> Oil Time: Everyone gets oiled up with baby oil before the game begins.
> This makes the game much more challenging, since players will be
> slipping on the mat and each other.

-- http://boardgames.lovetoknow.com/Naked_Twister

No, I don't know what you mean.

The Australian Right is even worse at cons than the American Right:

> Call to probe mystery Shia cleric
> 
> THE AUSTRALIAN JANUARY 28, 2008 12:00AM
> 
> FEDERAL agents have been urged by the nation's senior Shia leader, Kamal
> Mousselmani, to investigate an Iranian man purporting to be a prominent
> Islamic cleric.
> 
> Sheik Mousselmani told The Australian yesterday the mystery cleric - who
> has been identified as Ayatollah Manteghi Boroujerdi on his website
> after appearing under the name Sheik Haron - was not a genuine Shia
> spiritual leader.
> 
> He said there were no ayatollahs - supreme Shia scholars - in Australia
> and none of his fellow spiritual leaders knew who Ayatollah Boroujerdi
> or Sheik Haron was.
> 
> "We don't know him and we have got nothing to do with him," Sheik
> Mousselmani said. "The federal police should investigate who he is. It
> should be their responsibility."
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/8s17EA
-- (redirects to The Australian)

> Iran warned Australia about Sydney attacker
> 
> Man Haron Monis, the gunman behind the 16-hour hostage standoff in
> Sydney, Australia, resulting in the deaths of two individuals and
> himself, was well known to Iranian authorities. The self-styled
> "sheikh," who left Iran for Australia in 1996, had abused Australia's
> political system to gain immunity from prosecution in Iran, where he was
> a wanted man.
> 
> According to Iran's Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Marzieh Afkham, "The
> psychological history and condition of this individual, who for more
> than two decades was a refugee in Australia, was repeatedly presented to
> Australian officials."
> 
> Afkham did not elaborate, but Haron Monis' history while in Australia
> paints a clear picture of him as unstable and a charlatan posing as a
> religious man.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/x9AZAF
-- (redirects to Al-Monitor)

Their con fizzled within 24 hours. I don't expect Australian idiots to notice,
though. Just like American idiots they'll be going baa and, voila, there'll
be more Cons in office and more cons in business.

> Conspiracy, fact or fiction?
> 
> Sohrab_Ferdows | Politics | December 13, 2014
> 
> Since I was a child, I remember hearing terrible things about World War
> 3 in which, all the world will be destroyed. When I grew a bit older, I
> thought to myself, the trauma effects of past two world wars in
> relatively short period of time, has probably created such paranoia in
> most people's minds who remembered those days when barbaric behaviors of
> so called civilized world in senseless wars were rampant. A long time
> has passed from those days but, the shadows of uncertainty and distrust
> in current times, indicate that the peace and tranquility is as fragile
> as ever in human history, or even worse.
> 
> [...]

-- http://iranian.com/posts/conspiracy-fact-or-fiction-42331

Savages don't disappear because someone learns how to read/write.
WW3 will be 1000 times worse.

Literacy and everything that follows from it change how people are organized.
The top dog was once a good club wielder and now it seems he has to have more
brain folds. A forewarning of possible self-annihilation is likelier to
restrain the latter. Then again, it is also likelier to convince him he has
a chance of winning.

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Did I tell you the joke about those who killed foxes with three balls?

nope

Sony Hackers Threaten 9/11 Attack on Movie Theaters That Screen  The 
Interview 
http://tinyurl.com/mu4fofo

Who's afraid of the big bad midget? I'm not! 

 The world will be full of fear,  the message reads.  Remember the 
11th of September 2001. We recommend you to keep yourself distant 
from the places at that time. (If your house is nearby, you d better 
leave.) Whatever comes in the coming days is called by the greed of 
Sony Pictures Entertainment. 

I have a strong feeling the hilarious stupidity from the North 
Koreans is more entertaining than the movie they are protesting. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIdc0NGumVc

Scorpion wins (again). Flawless Victory

http://tinyurl.com/pd537ls

ISIS militants have been attacking the Iraqi town of Kobane since mid-
September, when the terror group assaulted its southern suburbs in an 
attempt to seize control of the strategic border city.
The terror group quickly encircled the city, raping and murdering its 
inhabitants, but Kurdish YPG fighters supported by U.S. airstrikes have 
since pushed ISIS back out of central Kobane.

Except "YPG" was amred by Iran while America was gurgling the "Syrian
opposition's" balls. Are you an idiot or an amnesiac?

> Turkey in particular believes the YPG to be a tool of Damascus, while
> those who believe the Rojava government's aims run against the goals of
> the Syrian opposition often accuse the Syrian Kurdish region of being a
> haven for Iranian influence.

-- http://is.gd/fG2f48
-- (redirects to Jane's 360)

Re #1397:

One day people of the village see their reputable local Mr. Fox running scared
through the village looking for somewhere to hide.

They ask him: "What gives, Mr. Fox, why are you running?"

"There're people killing foxes who have three balls," says Mr. Fox, panting.

"Well, do you have three balls?"

"No!"

"What do you have to fear then?"

"They kill first, count next."

<insert laugh track>

#1401 "Except "YPG" was amred by Iran while America was gurgling the 
"Syrian opposition's" balls. Are you an idiot or an amnesiac?"

First of all, you discredit yourself with that kind of language in a 
conversation. 

Second, I did not say that YPG was acting with America alone, did I?

Third, the highlight of the story was the use of scorpions as a 
military weapon. 

Re #1403:

You're right.

> Data retention may have helped police in Sydney siege: Abbott

-- http://is.gd/TPtdjI
-- (redirects to ZDNet)

That was fast. They aren't even trying anymore.

re #1405
Kudos to the cops
*snicker*

> America: Australia's Dangerous Ally

-- http://is.gd/0ljILE
-- (redirects to The National Interest)

Explains why IDU is struggling to get back total power and recoup the losses.
American State in Iraq and Syria is a great instrument for that.

re #1407
I've always liked Australia.  Wollongong and Monash gave me Ultrix accounts
without asking back in '93 and were very collaborative for the sake of
science.  *cough*

Re #1408:

I don't think extrication is actually possible but the sentiment is clearly
there in those Aussie heads that aren't infected by some form of neo-.

Space aliens will hold Earth accountable

Pyramids were built by white people with 
blonde hair for the mothership.

The waves sure affect reason.

Any more plausible than a divine meteorite stone? 

Mohammed in the mothership, take me away!
http://tinyurl.com/lyxwuc6

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denpa

America...

> Hersh: Children sodomized at Abu Ghraib, on tape
> 
> [...]
> 
> "Debating about it, ummm ... Some of the worst things that happened you
> don't know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you
> may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to
> their men. This is at Abu Ghraib ... The women were passing messages out
> saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened' and
> basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young
> boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized
> with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the
> soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in
> total terror. It's going to come out."
> 
> [...]

-- http://www.salon.com/2004/07/15/hersh_7/

Iraqi Republican Guard did that in Kuwait.  Seems like a story that
never dies.

Could be. Rummy walked on that soil, too.

Is there videos of that one, too, seen by third parties?

Ever since the incubators I trust Uncle on atrocity stories less than the
local gossip on neighborhood girls' escapades.

I didn't think video was required to know Iraqi sodomites are plenty.

In the context of establishing a war atrocity actually happened it is.

Cross-examined accounts work, too. Or anything you could use at Nuernberg.

One could quiz a blood stain on a wall but it doesn't say much.

Well, I expressed my doubts.

-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes

Common tactic and, strangely, a good way to know which parties are projecting.

Bloomberg - Ready for $20 Oil? 
http://bv.ms/1zm274L

So tasty.

Have you heard the name ash-Sharqiy'yah?

The hub for Saudi Arabia's oil industry. I'm going to ask why though I'm
 pretty certain I know why you are asking. 

Its largest province, too, and houses most of its Shi'a population. Had unrest
yesterday. Not in your news?

-- http://is.gd/mikjYC

I imagine Dhahran may see some shocks.

Definitely not in the news here today. It's all about the "mystery"
attack on  North Korea's internet.  Saudi's need to read "How to Win
Friends & Influence People" by Dale Carnegie How will this affect the
price of oil? I imagine it might go up if anyone  smells instability. Is
there any evidence of instability? The article does not  mention it. 

Not yet, as far as I know. Saudi Arabia is almost a blackhole for any type
of news. You won't even find its Gini index reported anywhere. This can be
transient and easily suppressed with US aid like previous Shi'a mutinies, or
it can really flare up. I don't think there'll be reporting on its actual
scale before there's marching on the streets of Riyadh. BBC even uses two
completely different jargons for reporting on this in English versus Persian.

Is the following common knowledge?

> How to Rig an Election The G.O.P. aims to paint the country red
> 
> By Victoria Collier
> 
> [...]
> 
> Few Americans knew that until shortly before the election, Hagel had
> been chairman of the company whose computerized voting machines would
> soon count his own votes: Election Systems & Software (then called
> American Information Systems). Hagel stepped down from his post just two
> weeks before announcing his candidacy. Yet he retained millions of
> dollars in stock in the McCarthy Group, which owned ES&S. And Michael
> McCarthy, the parent company's founder, was Hagel's campaign treasurer.
> 
> [...]
> 
> Meanwhile, the new millennium, far from delivering a democratic promised
> land, presented Americans with the debacle of the 2000 presidential
> election, whose fate hung absurdly on "hanging chads"--the little pieces
> of punched-out ballot so contentiously examined during the monthlong
> recount. Few Americans knew (and many still do not know) that a faulty
> computer memory card triggered this fiasco. Late on Election Night, Al
> Gore's total in Volusia County, Florida, suddenly dropped when one
> precinct reported 16,000 negative votes. Fox News was immediately
> prompted by Florida governor Jeb Bush to call the election for his
> brother. On his way to a 3 a.m. public concession, Gore changed course
> when a campaign staffer discovered that he was actually ahead in Volusia
> County by 13,000 votes.
> 
> But the damage was done. Gore was cast as a sore loser in a hostile
> media environment. His effort to obtain a recount was described by Sean
> Hannity on Fox News as an attempt to "steal the election." Meanwhile,
> George W. Bush invoked his duty to get on with the business of running
> the country. The rest, as they say, is history.
> 
> We are now in the midst of yet another election season. And as November
> 6 approaches, only one thing is certain: American voters will have no
> ability to know with certainty who wins any given race, from dogcatcher
> to president. Nor will we know the true results of ballot initiatives
> and referenda affecting some of the most vital issues of our day,
> including fracking, abortion, gay marriage, GMO-food labeling, and
> electoral reform itself. Our faith-based elections are the result of a
> new Dark Age in American democracy, brought on, paradoxically, by
> techological progress.
>
> [...]
> 
> As recently as September 2011, a team at the U.S. Department of Energy's
> Argonne National Laboratory hacked into one of Diebold's old Accuvote
> touchscreen systems. Their report asserted that anyone with $26 in parts
> and an eighth-grade science education would be able to manipulate the
> outcome of an election. "This is a national security issue," wrote the
> Argonne team leader, Roger Johnston, using the sort of language that
> would normally set off alarm bells in our security-obsessed culture. Yet
> his warning has gone unheeded, and the Accuvote-TSX, now manufactured by
> ES&S, will be used in twenty states by more than 26 million voters in
> the 2012 general election.
> 
> [...]

-- http://harpers.org/archive/2012/11/how-to-rig-an-election/

Snowball was known to be still skulking on Pinchfield Farm. 

> A Radical Question About The CIA In The Mainstream Press

-- http://fff.org/2014/12/31/radical-question-cia-mainstream-press/

That question falls on deaf ears and mute mouths. 

Every few years, somebody tries to make a name by threatening to dismantle
or heavily question the usefulness of CIA or USMC.  It withers at
some point.  You don't hear about the courier of scientists from
hostile networks in order to beat the Chinese, Russians, or AQ from
acquiring assets - but it is commonplace and needed for national
security.

U S A. U S A. U S A.

Tod, it appears bellstar can leave the 
ministry of love. Progress!

Poe's Law, perhaps?

Rane would know the difference. 

-- https://youtu.be/Euhwq1IGWIk

                                      ^Genuine Kook

This is the song they played in the lobby when I was able to leave the 
ministry of love: 
http://tinyurl.com/nt3jv3q

During the two minutes hate, they always show pictures of Putin and the 
chupacabra. 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qvRgzW582s
http://deadspin.com/florida-running-back-shits-pants-1677266274

I could have lived well without seeing that.

oh poo poo

Do the tootsie roll
To the left, the left 
Now slide, slide

Say, didja hear about chik-fil-a's payment card breach?

Seems like every day there's a new breach. What are our IT professionals
 worth anyway? *coy look* Honestly, that is what the public is going to
arrive at eventually - but  only when it interrupts their game on TV. 
The truth is, nothing is ever secure from anything no matter how many
people  they hire or money they spend.

My bank (Wells Fargo) claims I have protection on my debit card. So far 
knock on wood...but I can say that when it does finally effect me, it's 
going to be cash only on a permanent basis. Right now the convenience is
too  irresistible. 

Side note #3 - going back to politics, there are sure to be lefties who 
claim some kind of moral justice was done to Chick-Fil-A for being a 
Christian organization. Count on that Nelson sound-byte "HA HA".

re #1446
 What are our IT professionals
  worth anyway? *coy look*

That question is a common one and the biggest answer I've seen is about
the reputation of a company whose customers rely on being protected.
Sony was a perfect example but there are even more subtle ones like Ford
or VW losing millions of dollars worth of research and engineering 
intellectual property.  My most recent example has to do with protecting
the research of "What are some predictors of an earthquake?"
Do I think a government should impose a standard?  Well - they DID.
HIPAA was the standard and its enforcement was a JOKE.  BUT, you 
put the carrot on a stick and folks still want to play along..carrot
being federal dollars or fines at 6 digits or enough to cause at least
a few jobs.  In higher ed, the big one is FERPA which threatens to
kill a univerisity's student financial aid eligibility if certain records
are exposed.  That's a big deal to so many public institutions which
rely mostly on federal student loans - maybe not so much to the private
ones funded by children of celebs who put their business in social
media w/o blinking.  Then again, kids of celebs have other privacy concerns
like being kidnapped, papparazzi targets, or burglary opportunities.

Regarding intellectual property: The truth is that nothing is safe or 
sacred. I'm surprised no one goes after Apple these days. That's a big
old  carrot just dangling in the wind.

I've worked at places where the engineering projects are offline. Walled
off  physically from everyone but people with security clearance. All it
takes is  a sketch or a camera though. Any self-respecting engineer/cad
guy/computer  coder can take a long look at something and replicate it
later. But having  your research data right on the internet...it's
begging to be stolen. What  happened to intranets that have no internet
connection? --- Regarding the million dollar question "What are our IT
professionals worth  anyway?" My thought is very simple: without it
where would you be? Out in  the open with no protection is a bad place
to be!!! You'd be here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPbdWuBHIEw

re #1448
Walled
 off  physically from everyone but people with security clearance. All it
 takes is  a sketch or a camera though.

I've been in those places, too.  And the vulnerabilities, imnsho, are
always with the insider.  It always boils down to hardware or human.
Of course, the human side often is just about penny pinching on security
so you wind up with very strong entrance doors and then once you're in
it is a free for all.  Most places are that simple in their approach.
When I see an airliner go down over an ocean - I always simply assume
there was an engineer or programmer on board who lacked loyalty.

I was reading this recently:

-- http://www.ashgate.com/isbn/9780754678342

Quoted a bit of it about the Aggie Bonfire collapse here, too.

In short, it's not as simple as 'loyalty' or 'work ethic.' The lazy or
traitorous employee (or citizen?) is one of the last nodes in a causal network
that produces catastrophes. Dominant flows in such networks are what's called
'policy' or 'doctrine.' Actual policies are rarely the same as stated
policies. If a dominant flow is towards a catastrophic outcome responses of
individual nodes end up either contributing or mattering little when
consciously exerted in the opposite direction. Most employees (or citizens?)
'go with the flow' and the few who don't learn are made to pay the price at
their own expense: whistleblower, killjoy, underachiever.

(It gets awfully more complicated when there is competition and multiple
loosely coupled networks affecting each other.)

janc is between the lines

'...Understanding human error as an effect of often deep, systemic
vulnerabilities rather than as a cause of failure, is an important but
necessary step forward from the oversimplified views that continue to hinder
real progress in safety management.'
I'm sold... now how to re-educate management at the C level on breaking
old habits of blame and corruption?

Re #1451:

-- https://youtu.be/QnbvOi4SpSk

re #1452
www.youtube.com/watch?v=idOyb3kMseI

Re #1453:

-- https://youtu.be/6LsMoUtBlDk

re #1454
Tiger replaced the Rats in Operation Troy
Great video - thnks!

Re #1455:

-- https://github.com/kbandla/APTnotes

Interesting.

> With power of social media growing, police now monitoring and
> criminalizing online speech

-- http://is.gd/29BlBg
-- (redirects to The Intercept)

Ramble on about the Committee for Determining Criminal Web Content, Agent Tod.

re #1456
mew, mew mew

Re #1458:

-- http://imgur.com/gallery/Dpglmxn

In China his mom would remind him not to make friends with dinner.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaTO8_KNcuo

Welcome to the spin zone.

Howard Dean: Paris attackers not  Muslim terrorists 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/01/08/howard-dean-paris-
attackers-not-muslim-terrorists/

"I stopped calling these people Muslim terrorists. They're about as 
Muslim as I am," he said. "I mean, they have no respect for anybody 
else's life, that's not what the Koran says. And, you know Europe 
has an enormous radical problem. ... I think ISIS is a cult. Not an 
Islamic cult. I think it's a cult." 
----------------------------------------
Maybe the Catholics who ordered the crusades were in a cult too. 
Jews that ethnically cleansed the Canaanites were also in a cult.
 

Cults. 

God commanded the Jews to kill Amalekites. God commanded the Catholics 
to kill pagans. God commanded Muhammad to kill and conquest over and 
over and over again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad

Another cult:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies

re #1463
[...in 1883, after the fighting "the Serbs, in their bitterness (after 500
years of Turkish occupation), slit the throats of the Turks everywhere they
found them, sparing neither the wounded, nor the woman, nor the Turkish
children"...] -Le Nettoyage ethnique (Ethnic Cleansing)

Some fascists consider ethnic cleansing as the last acceptable civilian
atrocity to prolong the avoidance of actual state sponsored warfare.

Killing cartoonists for flagrant hostile propaganda is nothing new, imo.
The first thing I thought of was the kidnapping of Curtis Sliwa and
how both acts are no different, imo.

What cult is FFL in CAR?

My acronym translator is broken. A little help please?

Hah. So was the attack a work of "AQAP?" Why not, say, "AQIM?"

On whose homes did Operation Serval bombs fall?

Was freedom-of-speech Charlie tongue-tied?

Sometimes France goes the other way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War

Keen sense of right and wrong I suppose. :) 

Freedom of speech prevailed. Did you see the magazine staff backing 
down to the coward's threats? They kept on keeping on. That's the 
spirit of freedom. I'm proud of them for not cowering to radical islam.

Iran's unseen missile defense system
Tehran has begun to mass-produce its own fighter jets, as well as 
suicide combat drones and what it dubbed  the world s first missile 
evading drone,  according to recent announcements made by the 
country s military and political leaders.

http://tinyurl.com/lkck5z6
-------------------------------------------
False sense of security? Are the systems real? Would the first layer 
of defense be enough to stop an Israeli attack? I doubt it. I feel 
the same way about other missile defense systems installed around 
Europe by the U.S. and the "Iron Dome." I have no doubt they would 
block some attacks but the inevitable destruction of war can not be 
stopped. 

Big picture: 

Size of Israel: 8,019 sq miles 
Population of Israel: 8.059 million (2013)
Size of Israel's armed forces: 624,500 (176,500 active and 445,000 
reserve)
Allies: Too many to list here. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Israel

Size of Iran: 636,400 sq miles
Population of Iran: 77.45 million (2013)
Size of Iran's armed forces: 700,000 soldiers according to the CSIS
Allies: Lebanon, Palestinian Authority, Russia, Syria, Venezuela
-------------------------------
Iran has the bigger country, larger army and larger population but 
Israel has the allies and the top gear. Israel is also cornered.
My synopsis: I suspect Iran's allies would back down in a conflict 
with Israel. I do not expect Jordan or Egypt to attack Israel in 
such a conflict and the Palestinian Authority is ghetto poor with 
resources. Would it be strategically wise for Syria or Lebanon to 
back Iran in such a conflict? NO. Missile defense is just a speed 
bump. 

re #1470
Two nukes can even the playing field just like a handgun in a fist fight.
I don't think either country is interested in finding out what the other
has in its pocket.  The military weapons and toys are more about industry
and commerce, imo.

#1471 I agree for the most part about industry. It is still good to 
look at the big picture from time to time to put the propaganda in 
context. No country wants a mutual bloodbath. At least I hope that is 
the case. 

Iran spends less on "defense" annually than just annual US military aid to
Israel. That's some perspective for you. Iran's real defense is not anything
made of metal ;-)

Re #1469:

While floating in a septic tank you get scum when you surface for air.

re #1473
Germs and EMP can be fought by PhDs.  POTUS is proposing 2 years of
free community college - somehow I envision wood and metal shop classes
instead of bioscience.  The USA is harrible with edu

tetally bad neews man
I am totally for education. I'm just praying that there aren't new "for 
profit" community colleges popping up everywhere offering online 
degrees where all the people have to do is pay for the certification.
Rigorous standards should be created and met. 

Listening to CNN...all the French terror suspects are dead. 
*sniff* funny business?

"the brothers were avenging the death of Anwar al-Awlaki"

Now I can say for 100% certainty that there's funny business. 
Why would these brothers give a rat's @ss about an triple agent, FBI 
asset? No...no...no. Maybe the Sandy Hook kids will pop up as victims 
again.  

The new term is "retail terrorism" where anyone anywhere can be hit by 
terrorism. "It's a global form of globalization and it's anything but 
benign." 

Guess who they are proposing to attack as a fix on CNN? Iran and Syria.

Meanwhile, the puppet masters ask
"How's your golf swing?"

Re #1475:

My mind didn't even go in that direction. I had poetic stuff in mind...

re #1481
I had hot nurses and doctors at first..

Re #1482:

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILObfEzX92k

Jack goes down on a nurse. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYDP3nBh_E4

Love being Hated
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGl5U7nNlkY

> Jazenjuk enttarnt Sowjetrussen
> 
> [...]
> 
> Und in der Tat, waren doch ab 1942 sowjetische Truppen gnadenlos nach
> Westen vorgerueckt. Sie schreckten damals nicht davor zurueck, den Armeen
> des demokratisch gewaehlten Reichskanzlers A. Hitler auch durch
> ukrainisches Gebiet zu folgen. Die etwas laengere Route suedlich des
> Schwarzen Meeres - unter Umgehung der Ukraine - war ihnen offenbar zu
> beschwerlich.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/PfGJeH
-- (redirects to Der Spiegel)

Yats is no Nats. Totes.

re #1486
{insert joke about GOP's gerrymandering}
Yes, both GW and Hitler were demokratikly elekted
..The good 'ol days

Be punctual and polite, carry a nice pen and don't complain when offered
sauerkraut.
Jawhol.

Same as it ever was...
Agent Orange residue on C-120's lasted into the 80s


"Swabs taken from the interiors of some planes between 1979 and 2009 showed
levels of dioxin that exceeded international safety guidelines for workers
in enclosed settings..."

"After the war, the planes were reassigned to reserve units for medical and
cargo transport and training exercises. Between 1,500 and 2,100 reservists
flew on them over the next decade, until the planes were retired, destroyed
or sold overseas."

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/01/11/vietnam-war-c123s-may-have-he
ld-
agent-orange-risk-years-after-w.html

Roundup ready troops can take the exposure.

re #1490
So can the Big Apple
http://www.greens.org/s-r/28/28-22.html

Imagine the levels everywhere in Vietnam.

> Drone Guidelines to Protect Civilians Do Not Apply to Afghanistan: White
> House Official

-- http://is.gd/oMjpOv
-- (redirects to CommonDreams.org)

Nazi savages. In other words, apple pie Americans of the Fourth Reich.

Since the link goes to "common dreams," it perhaps must be reiterated what's
wrong with "commonalities:"

> if one believes this [utopian] doctrine to be an illusion... then,
> perhaps, the best one can do is to try to promote some kind of
> equilibrium, necessarily unstable, between the different aspirations of
> different groups of human beings -- at the very least to prevent them
> from attempting to exterminate each other, and, so far as possible, to
> promote the maximum practical degree of sympathy and understanding,
> never likely to be complete, between them. But this is not, prima facie,
> a wildly exciting programme: a liberal sermon which recommends machinery
> designed to prevent people from doing too much harm, giving each human
> group sufficient room to realise its own idiosyncratic, unique,
> particular ends without too much interference with the ends of others,
> it is not a passionate battle-cry to inspire men to sacrifice and
> martyrdom and heroic feats. Yet if it were adopted, it might yet prevent
> mutual destruction, and, in the end, preserve the world.

The technocratic fascist calls into being his own antithesis. He's a chemist,
an engineer, a businessman and above an alchemist of the soul.

> Since science is a discourse that claims not to depend on partisan
> decisions, it enables one to 'technicalize' public action, to
> 'depoliticize' it, to render it impersonal, to bypass the democratic
> rules of accountability. This mode of action leads to an
> instrumentalization of politics through the use of specialists, it gives
> to political decisions the force of necessity, and it comes to
> substitute competence and technical knowledge for the affirmation of
> will and of values deliberately chosen.

No better cure to that than a good hard flogging, Taliban-style. Just whip
the shit America is full of--out of it.

I could use a good stool softener.

#1491 There a lot of unsubstantiated claims in that piece. No real
sources for  the majority of them. Would I put it past the government to
chemtrail people?  NO.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwnV40NRJWg
(from Joe's Hobby Shop)

> Information Sheet: Malathion and Mosquito Control

-- https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/2740/

+

> Malathion was sprayed in many cities to combat West Nile virus. In the
> Fall of 1999 and the Spring of 2000, Long Island and the five boroughs
> of New York City were sprayed with several pesticides, one of which was
> malathion. While it was claimed by some anti-pesticide groups that use
> of these pesticides caused a lobster die-off in Long Island Sound, there
> is no conclusive evidence yet to support this.

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malathion

+

> As a consequence of public health use of malathion for mosquito control,
> separate assessments of dermal, inhalation, and incidental oral
> exposures resulted in risks that are not of concern. Likewise, when
> exposure from dermal, inhalation, and incidental oral routes were
> combined, the resulting MOEs do not exceed HED's level of concern.

-- http://is.gd/Pzudp0
-- (redirects to EPA.gov)

#1495 
1. Didn't see a return flight. Disposable? 
2. I didn't see it engage in combat. It dropped a payload...that's about
it. 3. Fit and finish looks highly questionable. Also, bright red? Kinda
obvious.  I'm sure the engineers would say, "hey, it's a prototype."

#1496 "Malathion is an insecticide of relatively low human toxicity."
LOL I'm sure.

The takeaway is actually subtler than "EPA and FDA are lying." EPA and FDA
are allowing blind human experimentation at scale. The results are presented
ipso facto but the exposure model is a crippled one. For example, it assumes
only skin contact in case of toddlers in public parks which is odd.
Hand-to-mouth is routinely considered in child non-dietary ingestion models.

Re #1497:

"Karrar" is a slightly sneaky sensor array and cruise missile test
platform--maybe.

aerosol rabies
SARS

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2HFzl23sEE

http://gizmodo.com/obama-wants-hacking-to-be-a-form-of-racketeering-1679328
607

In which ways is RICO harsher than CFAA?

RICO also includes 'criminal copyright infringement.'

Any technical assistance forum that multiple shady people, even unknown to
each other and to other users, frequent can be seen as a criminal
organization.

I've been reading some short Iran travelogues published by Western outlets
recently. Only the US ones are full of venom. It's an American thing.

> David Cameron's internet surveillance plans rival Syria, Russia and Iran
> 
> Cameron says there should be no means of communication that 'we cannot
> read'. Let's examine what that actually means
> 
> by Cory Doctorow

-- http://is.gd/o6AImp
-- (redirects to The Guardian/CiF)

re #1505
Whit Diffie should kick him in the cajones

#1502 The answer is government hacking good, citizen hacking bad. 
Foreigner hackers very very bad. 
Memories, like the corners of my mind. Misty watercolor memories.
http://tinyurl.com/pqcv39m

#1504 Not a Jew thing? American Jew? 

#1505 Predictable and inevitable. What can't they see now? How did the 
world's most sophisticated network of spying help them prevent any EU 
terror events? Can it in the future? 

Re #1507:

Weren't Jews, the ones who wrote those.

@CENTCOM, tee hee hee

This American's comment is gold:

> Let me explain how this works!
> 
> Are you confused by what's going on in the Middle East? Let me explain.
> We support the Iraqi government in the fight against the Islamic State. We
> don't like IS, but IS, but is supported by Saudi Arabia, whom we do like.
> We don't like President Assad in Syria. We support the fight against him,
> but not IS, which is also fighting against him.
> We don't like Iran, but Iran supports the Iraqi government against IS. So,
> some of our friends, support our enemies and some of our enemies are our
> friends, and some of our enemies are fighting against our other enemies,
> whom we want to loose, but we don't want our enemies who are our enemies
> to win.
> If the people we want to defeat are defeated, they might be replaced by
> people we like even less. And all this was started by invading a country
> to drive out terrorist who weren't actually there until we went in to
> drive them out. Understand now?

-- http://is.gd/eeWkIw

(The "news" piece is irrelevant, by the way. Russia won't give Iran even
jack.)

That about sums it up. A bowl of spaghetti. 

re #1510
Job security, yes

> 7 Big Lies 'American Sniper' Is Telling America
> 
> There is a backlash against the film's misleading take on sniper Chris
> Kyle's character.
> 
> By Zaid Jilani / AlterNet January 21, 2015
> 
> 
> 1. The Film Suggests the Iraq War Was In Response To 9/11: One way to
> get audiences to unambiguously support Kyle's actions in the film is to
> believe he's there to avenge the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The movie cuts
> from Kyle watching footage of the attacks to him serving in Iraq,
> implying there is some link between the two.
> 
> [...]

-- http://www.alternet.org/culture/7-big-lies-american-sniper-telling-ameri
ca

Ook ook, thug boy should see this!

Triumph of the will 2015

It got plenty tackier. They aren't making sturdy stuff like they used to.

why d'ya hate /merika

And their balls are deflated.

 There will be a price : Obama team reportedly fuming over Netanyahu
visit
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/01/24/there-will-be-price-obama-team
 - reportedly-fuming-over-netanyahu-visit/


The Obama administration reportedly is fuming over Israeli Prime
Minister  Benjamin Netanyahu s plans to address Congress in March
regarding the  Iranian threat, with one unnamed official telling an
Israeli newspaper he  will pay  a price  for the snub.  

---------------------

NY Times wrote something against the invitation in the tone of a beggar. I'm
starting to believe the stories about the Fed's real owners.

#1518 I imagine it has less to do with 
actual ownership and more to do with 
influential people with alliances with 
Israel. Pressure, back room deals and 
even arm twisting. That's where the 
embarrassing ass kissing comes from that 
onlookers are puzzled by.

Re #1519:

What's the nature of those alliances? I can only assume economic. Why does
Israel have the upper hand in them? Ownership of some things, I suppose. Must
be some very valuable things, too, because people that high can't be cheap
to buy.

Isn't it enough to chalk it up to hating brown people?

No.

> WikiLeaks demands answers after Google hands staff emails to US government
> 
> Search giant gave FBI emails and digital data belonging to three staffers
> WikiLeaks told last month of warrants which were served in March 2012

-- http://is.gd/Kxvus8
-- (redirects to The Guardian)

I'm surprised at the surprise. Not only is it commonplace as WikiLeaks should
already know but also it is perfectly legal. FBI can force a tap and gag the
provider. Not that Google needs any encouragement for that; just the right
paperwork and they will be more than happy to share--for some little favors.

#1520 My iPad morphed "allegiance" into "alliance." I probably 
misspelled it and it auto-corrected. 

Important difference because allegiance to Israel from Jews in 
America to the motherland rather than alliance where there's some 
kind of deals (mutually beneficial or otherwise). I also imagine 
there are many influential constituents in some districts who are 
Jewish which would lead to non-Jew politicians' pro-Israel support.

You don't really see this with other migrants here. The Arab-
American population is growing here (1.5 million). 1.4% of the US 
population is Jewish. Less than one percent is Arab American.* 62% 
of Arab Americans originate from Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and 
Jordan. 

I wonder if the Arab-Americans are asking for and getting support 
from politicians here. If so, it's not news-worthy because it's not 
on my radar.

See: http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2013/05/30/187096445/arab-
americans-a-growing-community-but-by-how-much

#1521 Many millions of brown people in the U.S. including Hawaiian 
Islands and Puerto Rico (not to mention Detroit ha). We haven't claimed 
Cuba yet and if the Philippians weren't so far away... but more and 
more American is becoming a nation of brown people. I do not see 
killing brown people in far away lands diminishing as U.S. becomes more 
brown. It all comes down to power and money in the end. My 2 cents.

Resp:1513

I did not see the movie, nor did I read what is clearly a rubbish article.
I just want to respond to the part bellstar quoted. A lot of Americans joined
the military right after 9/11, and a lot of them ended up going to Iraq. The
argument of whether there is a link between the 9/11 attacks and our invasion
of Iraq is a subject for another time, but the movie may have been showing
that a lot of people joined the military to fight against an existential
threat, only to be thrown into a geopolitical/global industrial fight.

Re #1524:

That's a sneaky iPad.

The issue of allegiance is kind of thorny. Barring incredibly successful
indoctrination there's no reason an American Jew whose ancestors never lived
in Palestine would see Israel as motherland. Strangely, there are many who
do.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Re #1526:

The article is well-documented. I don't know what makes it clear to you,
without having read it, that it's rubbish.

The article's purpose is clarifying the film's connection to the book it's
based on and specifically the character of the thug at its center. Making a
hero out of a real-life character whose motivations and behavior are
questionable even per his own writing is exactly what the article's title
says: lying to America. If anyone, American or otherwise, is motivated to give
the book a read after watching the film their judgment of America at large
can only take more of a dive.

Of utmost importance is that the Americans who were duped into the military
under the impression that they were doing a form of service to their nation
rather than just its elite were deceived by the same media moguls which have
now come up with another propaganda work--the film in question. Many things
could have taken a better turn for them and others had they not believed
anything coming out of those mouths.

More generally, any war the US has fought in the past few decades has been
elective. An exmaple of a 'geopolitical/industrial fight.'

#1527 "no reason an American Jew whose ancestors never lived
in Palestine would see Israel as motherland"

Talk about sneaky! LOL Love it.

Interesting how drones are not perceived as threats until they are 
pointed in the opposition direction. 
http://news.yahoo.com/spokesman-secret-recovers-device-white-house-
095128139.html

Let your imaginations run as to what could have been attached to such a 
device and how easily it could have been a threat. 

Top comment according to whatever Yahoo uses to sort comments for me:

> David
> 
> These so called "toys" should be outlawed. How hard would it be to pack
> one with anthrax and crash it on a government building or in some
> location where a lot of people are like a football game? They should NOT
> be available to the general public in a hobby shop. They can be
> considered a weapon legally and making them over the counter products
> for anyone on the planet is just stupid. and that does not even touch on
> the idea of a right to privacy.

Yes indeed, they should only be trusted with government officials, 
military and police. They will always do the right thing. 
Idiots like that make me want to go buy one on the way home from work.

You're assuming David is a real person.

Good point, although once it becomes a talking point and is properly 
politicized, millions will parrot "David's" sentiments with zeal.

Good luck outlawing radio controlled planes.

Right now i imagine the secret service uploaded the video where it 
starts with some jackass staring at the camera before it is sent out on 
it's mission. since it's consumer level, the guy is probably launching 
it from a nearby parking lot or building. They will trace the path it 
took when it traveled. They will know who distributes it, and trace it 
back to the credit card number. Maybe. What can they really do? What 
charges can they file against him/her? It would be a landmark case if 
they wanted to. Maybe the whole thing is fake and they set some dude up 
just so they can pass new laws. 

> Middle Eastern Turmoil and the Scaremongering on Iran

-- http://is.gd/05ostN
-- (redirects to National Interest Online)

Good summary there.

(It has vital corrections for thug boy's "education" off the
RAND-Pentagon-SAIS propaganda trough, too.)

 (It has vital corrections for thug boy's "education" off the
 RAND-Pentagon-SAIS propaganda trough, too.)

Whom is thug boy?

Re #1537:

-- http://www.itto.org/tourismattractions/?sight=2065

All Islamists are thug boys:
Oppressing with Sharia Law
Enslaving women and children
Kidnapping and extorting cash
Killing innocent people
Religiously intolerant
Cruel and evil punishments including death for benign acts
Sodomizing boys

Not all Islamist do that so not all Islamists are thugs. All US armed forces
are engaged in oppression of nations so all US armed forces are thugs. It's
a side-effect of association with USG.

Not all Islamists do that? That's your argument?
Islamism is a cancer that erradicates the lives and souls of everyone it
 touches. The victims are the Arab people. They are the ones being held
down  by it and losing their lives to it. The support of Arab Spring was
 calculated. It was never about freedom. It was about destabilization
and  subsequent oppression. It worked. 

When the U.S. Armed forces return to destroy Islamic State, it will be
to  the benefit of the world. They will have allies with them.

That you have there is terminal ignorance. I cannot cure it.

re #1542
Decipher: uvghcl vg phhz

Re #1543:

I didn't know what to try or how. Just dropped it in Google. Led to these:

-- http://is.gd/qqfCDb

-- http://is.gd/ZvyjOU

Someone else said 'the answer is chicken wing.'

Some references to Playfair cipher.

Laziness overtook there.

#1542 "terminal ignorance"

You are one of those guys huh? I don't agree or see things differently 
so I'm ignorant? Talk about laziness. Or maybe you are intolerant to 
other perspectives too? 

Let me ask you this. Do you think that Islamism is a good thing? Is it 
not harming Arab people?

Re #1545:

I recommend you start by reading this:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_ad-Din_al-Afghani

Then watch this:

-- http://is.gd/SPD3OO

If you do not have familirity with the settings of these characters you only
embarrass yourself talking about Muslims in general, political Islam, or MENA.

#1546 I have read your links. No history can make right what Islamic 
State does or says. I condemn them in the strongest possible way and 
I hope they are eradicated. 

ISIS threatens Obama, Japanese and Jordanian hostages in new online 
messages
http://tinyurl.com/n3q3hge

A new, grisly beheading video from ISIS includes a direct threat 
against President Obama and is one of at least three new warnings 
from the terror organization, including pledges to kill Jordanian 
and Japanese hostages if a hostage held by Jordan is not freed.

In a new online video discovered by the Middle East Media Research 
Institute (MEMRI) on Tuesday, three Islamic State fighters stand 
behind a kneeling Kurdish fighter as one of the extremists launches 
into a diatribe against the U.S. and other Western nations.

 Know, oh Obama, that will reach America,  says one of the fighters, 
clad in black and wearing a balaclava, in a translation from Arabic 
provided by MEMRI.  Know also that we will cut off your head in the 
White House, and transform America into a Muslim Province. 
-----------------------------------------
None of these actions or threats is justifiable in any way. 
Historical context, abstract links, religious justification, greed 
(hostage taking and extortion) or desperation included. #savages

I would love to see the cowards try to infiltrate America. #cowards

Re #1547:

I know some savages.

#1549 They come from all walks of life. Humans are animals after all.

Re #1550:

True. One of them even administers Grex.

did alAfghani kill Nasser?

Video killed the radio star.

tomato killed the grilled chz

"Since the declaration of Ukrainian independence in 1991, the United 
States supported the Ukrainians in the development of democratic 
institutions and skills in promoting civil society and a good form 
of government   all that is necessary to achieve the objectives of 
Ukraine s European. We have invested more than 5 billion dollars to 
help Ukraine to achieve these and other goals." ~ US Assistant 
Secretary of State for Europe, Nuland

*What was the money spent on? 
*Who authorized it?
*What made this objective a priority when our own returning vets are 
suffering? Roads, bridges and other infrastructure crumbing?

----------------------------------------------------------
Connection: George Soros' Open Society Foundations (OSF)
Funded $1.5 billion for "democratic development" in the countries of 
Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union. 

Also: OSF provided funding to some groups that engaged in Ferguson-
related protest activities.
Why would Soros want to fund instability (race hostility, rebellion 
of the poor) in the United States? 

Otpor!

Protesters are sometimes benign unless they are financed by globalists.
Depends on marketing. Perception, perception, perception.

Genuine dissent doesn't exist on filled bellies and regular life. Any
"protest" is orchestrated by someone with less than honest motivations.

No arguments here!

Plenty of filled bellies and regular life in Ndrangheta..dissenters
just kinda disappear

Yeah, one way is to fill A's belly to get B's guts out. Tranquilite.

https://books.google.com/books?id=75CQ2Lu8aF4C&lpg=PA21&ots=F2mR0PFZv_&dq=
mari
o%20lavell%20johnson&pg=PA22#v=onepage&q=mario%20lavell%20johnson&f=false

Re #1562:

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K0kiYSStZM

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ8rpcgCoi4

There's a slaughter down there at comments section. Mindless terror.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6tV1yfEPTk

> Former Maryland Banker Reveals He Used to Work for CIA A Banker Comes in
> From the Cold
> 
> BALTIMORE-- Edwin "Ed" Hale Sr., a retired bank executive known locally
> for his sharp-elbowed approach to business, installed video surveillance
> on his 186-acre farm and still sleeps with a sawed-off shotgun by his
> bed.
> 
> His friends, former employees and even his own daughters were shocked to
> learn in his recently published biography that he had ample reason to do
> so: The former chief executive and chairman of Bank of Baltimore says he
> worked covertly for the Central Intelligence Agency for almost a decade
> in the 1990s and early 2000s.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/sQfT3F
-- (redirects to WSJ)

"There's an ounce of gold and an ounce of pride in each ledger..."

re #1567
I dont have a subscription..what's it say

Re #1568:

> Former Maryland Banker Reveals He Used to Work for CIA
> 
> A Banker Comes in From the Cold
> 
> BALTIMORE-- Edwin "Ed" Hale Sr., a retired bank executive known locally
> for his sharp-elbowed approach to business, installed video surveillance
> on his 186-acre farm and still sleeps with a sawed-off shotgun by his
> bed.
> 
> His friends, former employees and even his own daughters were shocked to
> learn in his recently published biography that he had ample reason to do
> so: The former chief executive and chairman of Bank of Baltimore says he
> worked covertly for the Central Intelligence Agency for almost a decade
> in the 1990s and early 2000s.
> 
> During that time, he said, he spoke regularly with a CIA handler and
> allowed the agency to create a fake company under his corporate
> umbrella, which included shipping and trucking companies he ran at the
> same time he led the bank. Operatives in the field used the fictitious
> firm as cover when traveling the world, complete with business cards and
> hats. Mr. Hale said he worked under "nonofficial cover," in which his
> identity was unassociated with the U.S. government.
> 
> In the early 1990s, Mr. Hale said, the CIA used agents posing as his
> employees to track Osama bin Laden's whereabouts and gather information
> on the terrorist's financing operations.
> 
> "It was very cathartic" to finally reveal his ties to the CIA, the
> 68-year-old said in a recent interview at his home overlooking
> Chesapeake Bay. "To hold a secret like that for so long to yourself, it
> was difficult."
> 
> None of the women he courted after he was divorced ever knew, either.
> "It would have been a great pickup line," he said, ruefully. "Hey, I'm
> a spy.'"
> 
> The college dropout, who said he survived three plane crashes and now
> owns a professional indoor soccer team, first made the disclosure last
> year in a biography he commissioned that asks, "The most interesting man
> in the world?" on the dust jacket and features blurbs from Ben Cardin
> and Barbara Mikulski, the Democratic senators from Maryland.
> 
> Not everyone was pleased that Mr. Hale decided to go public, including
> the man who Mr. Hale said recruited him to the agency in 1992.
> 
> "I am disappointed and upset that Ed would violate his agreement and
> understanding with the agency," said A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard in a phone
> interview.
> 
> Mr. Krongard was the executive director of the CIA from 2001 to 2004 and
> was also once chairman of Alex. Brown & Sons, a Baltimore investment
> bank that later merged with Bankers Trust and was acquired by Deutsche
> Bank AG . Mr. Hale and Mr. Krongard were friends who worked in the same
> office building. Mr. Krongard declined to comment on whether he worked
> for the CIA in the early 1990s.
> 
> A CIA spokeswoman declined to comment on Mr. Hale's statements or any
> assistance he may have provided to the agency. Mr. Hale said he expected
> Mr. Krongard would "get over it."
> 
> Others close to Mr. Hale said they are still processing the revelation.
> "I had a real hard time believing that he pulled off something that huge
> but I'll be damned, he did," said Ken Jones, who worked with Mr. Hale
> for 35 years, first at a trucking company and then at another bank Mr.
> Hale ran.
> 
> Mr. Hale, who grew up outside of Baltimore, made most of his fortune
> through trucking and barge companies that he founded as well as from
> real-estate development. He said he got involved in banking after he was
> turned down by Bank of Baltimore for a loan and became incensed by what
> he called its "snooty blue-blood culture."
> 
> Mr. Hale at a friend's request said he spent $1.4 million to launch a
> proxy fight in 1991 that garnered him a seat on the board and the title
> of chief executive.
> 
> Mr. Krongard approached him in early 1992, Mr. Hale said.
> 
> It wouldn't be unusual for the CIA to draft professionals to help gather
> intelligence, said Peter Earnest, who served in the CIA for 35 years and
> is currently executive director of the International Spy Museum in
> Washington. The agency has sought the help of professionals in
> businesses that provide good cover, including those that require
> frequent travel.
> 
> Mr. Hale said his fake company provided cover for agents who traveled
> throughout the Middle East and Africa. He said he was told the
> operatives' names and destinations but not the details of their
> missions. He said he was also briefed regularly on intelligence issues
> through meetings with his handler, with whom he spoke between 30 and 50
> times a year either over dinner discussions or on the phone. They often
> met for dinner at the Capital Grille in Washington, he said.
> 
> In the interview, Mr. Hale said he traveled to countries including Saudi
> Arabia, Poland, Denmark and Norway as an unofficial part of his
> arrangement with the CIA. Mr. Hale said he flew there for legitimate
> business reasons and would brief the CIA after his return about the
> economic conditions on the ground.
> 
> On one occasion, he said, the agency planned a mission that involved Mr.
> Hale traveling to the country of Georgia to buy ships that would be
> retrofitted for intelligence gathering. The mission was canceled after
> an assassination attempt on the Georgian president, Eduard Shevardnadze,
> in 1998.
> 
> While acknowledging he was never in direct danger, Mr. Hale said there
> were "a couple close calls" when agents didn't return from their
> missions on time. Mr. Hale said he was a "little nervous" they had been
> caught and revealed his name. In part to protect himself from possible
> fallout, Mr. Hale began sleeping with a shotgun by his side.
> 
> Mr. Hale said his work with the agency stopped after the Sept. 11, 2001,
> terrorist attacks and he wasn't needed anymore. He still keeps in touch
> with two of the agents, he said.
> 
> Mr. Hale's banking days are also over. In 1994, he and the board sold
> the Bank of Baltimore on to a New Jersey bank. In May 1995, he founded
> First Mariner Bancorp, holding company for 1st Mariner Bank, a
> Baltimore-based community bank.
> 
> During the financial crisis, 1st Mariner ran into trouble with
> regulators over faulty loans it had made that it had to buy back from
> Wall Street banks, generating sizable losses. In 2009, federal
> regulators ordered the bank to come up with more capital, and in 2011,
> Mr. Hale departed as chairman and CEO. The holding company filed for
> Chapter 11 bankruptcy last year and 1st Mariner Bank was purchased by a
> group of private-equity investors in June.
> 
> Mr. Hale currently focuses on his real-estate investments and the
> indoor-soccer team he owns, the Baltimore Blast.
> 
> The book, called "Hale Storm," was written by Baltimore journalist Kevin
> Cowherd and has sold about 600 copies. Mr. Hale, twice divorced, said
> the book is his way of explaining his frequent absences while his
> children were growing up. "I want my kids to know where I was and what I
> did," he said. His relationships with his daughters were once
> contentious but have improved as a result of the book, according to both
> Mr. Hale and the women.
> 
> His new passion: flower arranging, not unlike the fictional character
> played by Robert De Niro in the 2000 film "Meet the Parents." That
> character, like Mr. Hale, was also a CIA operative.

re #1569
Never heard of them

Natuerlich.

-- http://is.gd/iSQbOy

-- http://i.imgur.com/Wvgwn8U.jpg

> The Lost and "Found ID" Oddity in Terror Cases--Stupid or Sinister?

-- http://is.gd/oiyzI0
-- (redirects to WhoWhatWhy.org)

re #1572
That...that is a good one!  
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/41/Cobra_movie_poster.jpg
Cabinet Office Briefing Room A

(I haven't met the gent to the right of Sly.  Any idea of his name?)

re #1571
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b9/Not_without_my_daughter.jpg

Re #1576:

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URio1TCW09o

I'm always surprised at the grace Iranians demonstrate in handling American
savages. I myself would never ever manage that sort of grace.

Re #1575:

No idea:

-- http://i.imgur.com/6qFHeAZ.jpg

re #1578
Winston Lord and James Lilley were there.  It was Oct '85 PM of Singapore
party in Grand Foyer of White House.  Four years later, Tianamen.

re #1577
Why is there Englissh at the 59:54 mark?

Re #1579:

He's trying to be suave in a way the audience would find hilarious. Also
giving her the English equivalent of a term she doesn't know.

Rico
Suave

Some men have musculature. Some men fat cushions. Some men just want to watch
the world burn.

re #1582
I'm ok with having an industrious, honest, charitable, and happy life.
My negativity is usually fueled from within when I wind up judging others
for perceived faults and weaknesses.  It's a tough battle to overcome daily.

Re #1583:

I was talking about me :-)

I just want to play video games.

Music, comic books and bad tv are good 
too.

re #1584
I know..it was rhetorical

Re #1587:

I stand corrected.

It's creepy that the Kurdish girls are very pretty but we're seeing
them because they're fighting for their lives against ISIS

I'd say you're seeing them because you seeing them means profit to someone.
Seleka are fighting for/to take lives, too. Any photogenic Seleka or
anti-Seleka made it to the Great White Father's "news" media yet?

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttNN4Myv5I

What if: ISIL roasts a pretty Jordanian woman pilot
They need to take it up a notch. Maybe little kids are next?
The controlled media needs more snuff films for the global war on
terror.

Any predictions of what will be the defining moment when the west comes 
together at once and starts the onslaught? What/when?

re #1591
Maybe the Bacha Bazi monthly calendar will make headlines to show what
ISIL covets as photogenic.

What happens in Kabul stays in Kabul.
Terms "civilization" and "advanced culture" should be defined by
measuring  other societies in their own timeline. In is case...

ISIS has a few great PR moves it hasn't pulled it and I really really really
wonder why. One is to make a few hour long enhanced interrogation video. Title
'ISIS Does Not Torture,' upload to YouTube. Instant gold.

No need to torture for interrogation. What tactical information can be 
gathered from random people (pilots, aid workers, pipeline contractors,
etc.)?

No, ISIS does not need to torture. They do need to create snuff films
for  their followers and the western media. This is done not for
anything other  than fund raising. The future of Islamic State created
by extorting, killing,  mutilating, enslaving and terrorizing. Noble.
When it comes to complaining  about torture they don't have a leg to
stand on.

They?

You realize it's quite easy to see your sickness? ;)

English 101

they: plural pronoun, possessive their or theirs, objective them.
In this case the noun "they" refers to is ISIS. 

If you want a further breakdown (borrowed from wikipedia for
conciseness):  The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant is a jihadist
rebel group that  controls territory in Iraq and Syria and also operates
in eastern Libya, the  Sinai Peninsula of Egypt, and other areas of the
Middle East, North Africa,  South Asia, and Southeast Asia.

Nice distraction from the fact that people who mutilate, enslave, kill
and  extort in the name of Islam are much worse than a sovereign nation
that  tortures known jihadists for military intelligence. Disease meets
the  medicine. 

-- http://is.gd/9nnYMX

http://tinyurl.com/n33gso5

re #1598
San Jose's CloudFare aint working
 Ray ID: 1b5ca689008b0295

Re #1598:

Yeah, not working here either. I think walkman broke it.

Whoopsie daisy

I destroyed it with my conservative hate of things I'm accused of 
hating. 

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X-fXKNxpHs

Digital snipers?


http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/new-snowden-docs-indicate-scope-o
f-n
sa-preparations-for-cyber-battle-a-1013409.html

A sniper takes out individual targets so I'm not sure why they are 
calling it "digital snipers". 

They are going after large scale networks to target infrastructure. 
Digital soldier would be more like it. 
Maybe that isn't as cool to say.

Does China manufacture the spy gear used by the NSA? That would be kind 
of odd. 

Tod may be interested in this one:

> FEBRUARY 9, 2015
> 
> U.S.-Iran Relations
> 
> Former Representative Jim Slattery (D-KS) talked about his recent trip
> to Iran and his views on prospects for improved U.S.-Iran relations in
> the coming years.

-- http://is.gd/BRO53V
-- (redirects to C-SPAN)

It's quite long and the points of actual relevance are sparse. Still, better
than nothing, I guess.

re #1606
http://english.irib.ir/news/world/west-asia/item/204502-hackers-take-down-1
00-
isil-twitter-accounts

re #1607
00:17:57
'HOTTIES TO THE NUCLEAR AGREEMENT

pics, plz

#1608 [twitter/anon] On one hand bravo. on the other...why is America 
ALLOWING the accounts to begin with. I can only suspect why- 
incompetence or intent.


 

re #1609
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaPcKtLioww

Duck and cover will save us. Oh and shopping. 

> Why Don't Americans Know What Really Happened in Vietnam?
> 
> Instead of confronting the truth, we scrubbed the record clean--and we're
> still paying for it in Afghanistan and Iraq today.

-- http://is.gd/pwmn9W
-- (redirects to The Nation)

re #1612
What really happened?
If the USA was imperialist like communists enjoy stating, then why
didn't we keep Czech or parts of Africa after WWII?  The USA could have
without blinking.  Even Mexico after 1848 for that matter.

Re #1613:

Good reading with relevant citations:

-- http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2006/797/special.htm

Including answers to your ash-Shubuhat, Mr. al-Kalifourniyi'i *grin*

"...the death of tens of thousands of more innocent people"
Oh sorry, I lost interest in reading any further after that pot - kettle
article about wanting to use nukes on innocent people.  

Well, your loss. I aim to enrich and entertain, regardless :-)

McDonalds.
Bald eagle. 
Jesus Christ.
American Flag. 
F-35. 
Metallica. 
M16A4.

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6RtsmcC5Ls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzUQZw3wfro

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPfeOAhDfbM

re #1619
They are children of US servicemen stationed in England

re #1620
Now that's what I'm talkin about :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lH_v3y-Pds&feature=youtu.be

Re #1621:

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0DO0XyS8Ko

re #1622
Death by accordion..it's typical music you can hear at the seaside at
a Black Sea resort..but the women are prettier at the seaside..

Check this guy out..he played at our wedding 15 years ago. Very traditional
music..this is a show put on every year at New Years..lots of variety shows
on TV the week of New Years.   Listen to the lady at the 1:18 mark
www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2-D4m3GwK0

Re #1621:

Nice song. Tu cum jura ca ai, indeed. Trust is like a mirror.

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwVFNOEknsI

> Why I have resigned from the Telegraph
> 
> The coverage of HSBC in Britain's Telegraph is a fraud on its readers.
> If major newspapers allow corporations to influence their content for
> fear of losing advertising revenue, democracy itself is in peril.

-- http://is.gd/DnAt0f
-- (redirects to OpenDemocracy.net)

Democracy is always in peril--not long gone, not never existed. We've always
been at war with Eastasia.

Anyone is surprised to discover their employer runs a business?

Running a bad business. I agree it can be argued that good business is an
oxymoron. Is that what you were implying?

re #1627
Our local rag (newspaper) is privately held by an investment firm.
They have committed sections and features to donors whcih I've noticed
also includes certain negative stories not making the cut if they
affect said donors.
Here's a sample
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/sections-499432-register-stories.html

The media has become "entertainment media" over the past decade "at least."
I blame it partially on HUMINT and the frenzy of no-bid contracts which
propped up all of these marketers in journalist costumes.

Salesforce.com, GroupOn, LinkedIn...they're all selling analytics on their
users/customers and the ticker values keep climbing.

The other face of the coin is the nasty truth.  Who wants to read about
the nasty truth..the murders and corruption..day after day after day.
The Joy of Cooking and Everybody Loves Raymond makes more money.

Re #1628:

Another way of thinking about this is that a 21st century Nader--if another
one is ever produced by such society--could have a field day, or field years,
with 'news consumer rights.' Bad business is bad business. A news press that
delivers something other than news is defrauding customers. Criteria may be
murkier than car safety but are not entirely non-existent.

#1628 Yes

#1629 There are many Ralph Naders out there but they are silenced by 
the establishment via well established labels: racist, bigot, 
conspiracy theorist, "debunked", anti-American, anti-government, 
anarchist, lunatic and so on.

The message is "shut up and eat your god damned corn syrup." 

Jesse Ventura and Alex Jones are relegated to the lunatic and theorist
categories.

There you go. 
If you look past/through/into the theatrics often there is something to 
it.

Alex Jones would be more popular if his gf was in the videos

He is getting attacked by his own people because it was reported that he
makes  something like 8 million dollars a year. Which is funny because
he's on scores  of radio stations and has his own little empire of
podcasts, video streams and  a paid-for network. Others in his line of
work easily make that and more with  a much smaller audience. So it goes
to show the ignorance of some people. They  thing to have credibility
you have to be "one of them."

re #1634
Sounds like Michael Moore's problem (besides greasy french fries)

> Rationalizing Lunacy 
> The Intellectual as Servant of the State 

-- http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175965/

#1636 Do you believe 911 was an inside job? The ideas found in that 
piece point in this direction. A fabricated event that keeps the state 
insecurity in perpetual motion. 5 wars in 7 years. It seems to be all 
planed and ironed out.

The economy here is held in the same regard. The economy is booming. We 
are out of the Great Recession. "You know, with the economy being as it 
is we had to make some cuts."

Secure and insecure. War and peace. Booming and busting. All 
simultaneous. 

Sirens lure us to the rocks

Dispelling the sad myth that Jews run the media: there are 6 
corporations that own, run and distribute 90% of the American media.
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-
media-in-america-2012-6

FYI: Corporations are generally owned by shareholders, not a cabal of 
Jews. 

2 sides of the same coin:

The shared genetic heritage of Jews and Palestinians: 
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/epiphenom/2009/01/shared-genetic-
heritage-of-jews-and.html#sthash.PtJvUlYT.dpuf

The good news is that the genetics of Arabs and Jews have been 
pretty extensively researched. The classic study dates to 2000, from 
a team lead by Michael Hammer of University of Arizona. They looked 
at Y-chromosome haplotypes   this is the genetic material passed 
from father to son down the generations.
What they revealed was that Arabs and Jews are essentially a single 
population, and that Palestinians are slap bang in the middle of the 
different Jewish populations (as shown in this figure).

Another team, lead by Almut Nebel at the Hebrew University, 
Jerusalem, took a closer look in 2001. They found that Jewish 
lineages essentially bracket Muslim Kurds, but they were also very 
closely related to Palestinians. In fact, what their analysis 
suggested was that Palestinians were identical to Jews, but with a 
small mix of Arab genes   what you would expect if they were 
originally from the same stock, but that Palestinians had mixed a 
little with Arab immigrants.

-- https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/269973016753102849

> What they revealed was that Arabs and Jews are essentially a single
> population [...] but that Palestinians had mixed a little with Arab
> immigrants.

So, which is it? Palestinians are "pureblooded" Jews, "Jews are Arabs," or
Palestinian "blood" is "tainted a little with dirty Eh-rabs?"

You have to ask tod to tell you about his Sarmatian "blood."

#1641 Jew and Palestinian are one in the same. 
India and Pakistan. North and South Korea. 

I suspect that Jews from Europe have a LOT of mixed blood from 
Europeans and that they differ substantially from ethnic Jews from 
Palestine. But I do find humor in the fact that ethnic Jews from the 
region are the same genetic makeup as Arabs in the West Bank.

Re #1642:

> But I do find humor in the fact that ethnic Jews from the region are the
> same genetic makeup as Arabs in the West Bank.

Yet the glossing over of who Jews are and who Palestinians are by a Hebrew
University hack will be used to justify the "return" of a savage from Brooklyn
at the expense of multiple someone else's livelihood. That's dark humor if
anything.

#1643 "Yet the glossing over of who Jews are and who Palestinians 
are by a Hebrew University hack will be used to justify the "return" 
of a savage from Brooklyn at the expense of multiple someone else's 
livelihood. That's dark humor if anything."

Have I ever provided a counter-stance? The humor or dark humor is a 
reaction to something that is not reasonable and frustrating. 

I can play devil's advocate too and see it from the perspective of 
the post WWII Jewish refugee that had no home, who was rejected from 
all countries. Desperate times. The UN backed the creation of a 
Jewish State because that was THEIR final solution. It's all messy 
from where I'm standing. Have you considered blaming Germany? 

Re #1644:

>  who was rejected from all countries

Strictly false.

Henry Morgenthau (Junior) actually had a falling out with Truman over his
rerouting ships with thousands of DP Jews to Palestine. Hans
Morgenthau--German Jew with no known blood relation to the American Morgenthau
family--later became the founder of American neoconservatism.

Look up Wannsee Conference, Haavara Agreement, Schacht Plan as well.

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> The UN backed the creation of a Jewish State because that was THEIR
> final solution.

False. UNGA voted, despite UNSCOP findings, on a partition in UNGAR 181 to
be implemented by UNSC. The 1948 Ben-Gurion declaration is unrelated to the
UN and literally against UNGAR 181.

Knowing clearly war would ensue the British even abstained from voting on
UNGAR 181, let alone supporting Ben-Gurion's adventure.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Have you considered blaming Germany?

More than a million Russian and East Bloc Jews flooded the place after the
Soviet collapse. That was nearly a half of the place's Jewish population of
the time. Why would I blame Irving Moskowitz's funding of Russian Jews'
disloyalty on Germany?

It'd be like blaming the amount of Sauds in Dearborn MI on Iran.  Very
different critters.  German Jews and E European/Russian Jews are vastly
different at least culturally.
My Sarmatian blood?  Why do I feel like a mutt at the dogpound?
LOL

Re #1646:

> German Jews and E European/Russian Jews are vastly different at least
> culturally.

No doubt about that. Moskowitz doesn't fund it based on culture. He funds it
because its his pet project. Kind of like doing charity for tax evasion.

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> My Sarmatian blood?  Why do I feel like a mutt at the dogpound?

And here I was planning to pair you with Alan women >:-)

re #1647
 And here I was planning to pair you with Alan women >:-)

Somebody beat ya to it, man  LOL
Actually, my paternal grandfather's grandfather was a paymaster in the
Crimean War.  Which side is up for debate. *snort*

Moskowitz does what they all do.  The current name for it out here
in Left Coast Land is called a Pomona.  They're using endowments
as investment vehicles with no regulatory oversight.

Michael Douglas wrote a nice piece on his family experiences with anti-
Semitism and talks about scapegoating Jews during bad times:
http://tinyurl.com/o46t968

(Links to LA Times)

re #1649
Great read and too familiar.  A flipside conversation just to be fair though
is that I was motivated to trace my family's roots ever since I was little
and attended my great-aunt's funeral.  It was there that some of the
family was open to the rest about "We are Jews."  You can imagine the
recoiling self hatred and denial of many whom may have been brought
up with fabricated tales simply because they wouldn't have been able to
get employment or feel equal among those around them.  I was instead 
fascinated because there was never discussion of such a thing and many
of these relatives were your typical Detroit hard working and partying
with rough talk average blue collar Americans.  It was a reality to me 
at that point that there is nothing special about origins and heritage
when it comes to being who we are.  

After I'd grown and been in war, I had the opportunity to visit the country
of my paternal ancestors and expected maybe a few actual physical 
altercations just by showing my interest in "What happened to the Jews" but
quite the contrary.  Perhaps just a mirror image of the amount of being
a Jew was revealed to me by my mother in law's best friend.  It turned 
out many of my aquaintances in Bucharest had a Jewish parent or both.
And it was no big deal - no more than it was in my own family.  

In my formative years, I'd heard/seen the word "Jew" used as a negative
slur against people who were tightwads.  I'm sure many of the folks
saying it also had some ancestral intrigue in their own tree so
I never gave it much thought.  Every nasty racist name you cna think
of got tossed around in my neighborhood and most didn't take it
literal - it was part of the language among factory folks for the
sake of entertainment and adjectives.  

I had a job at Ford Motor Co as a 3rd party sysadmin and one day,
a Wednesday, one of the VP's came up to me to ask a question. I
let him know there was some dirt on his forehead.  The response
was sort of a pissed "I know." I repeated it expecting him to
wipe it off and got another more stern "I KNOW."  Oh wow, it
was Ash Wednesday and I was demonstrating my ignorance.  I was
also wearing a star of david on my necklace.  That gave me alot
to think about regarding both myself and maybe what my grandfather
and father had experienced.  These days it really isn't such a big
deal (I'm assuming) but being in Orange County, California where
the whole Minutemen and Birther movements have originated I can detect
alot of the veiled racism around me.  Right down the street is
the Saddleback Church with Rick Warren and in the other direction is
the Crystal Cathedral of televangelist Robert Schuller.  Many of
my coworkers are members of each and are pretty open about it.  You
see "NOTW" (Not of this World) on the rear windshield of every other
car, in fact.  To balance it out, there is a Chabad House at the
corner next to a Little Caesars pizza.  And so whom do I find myself
hanging out with the most at work?  Guys with Persian or Indian
background.  I suspect it is because we don't feel a connection to
the locals.  Or because we're not provincial (hahaha)

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35ib-aFZbuc

Food for thought:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide_denial#Comparison_with_H
olocaust

-- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-32012346

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VexrmTacOAA

re #1651
Paul Schaeffer is a fag.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM2ZiFmOICc
School was cancelled starting on Dec 22, '89 in Romania and people were
scared.  Worried what happens if the revolution fails..food runs out...
people freeze to death..lights go out...and the TV was on in the AM
for the first time ever..and the newscasters weren't in makeup and
were basically coming in off the street to report what was happening.
People started to make their own newspapers..for the first time since..
what..before 1950.  How is this going to work out...people were
glued to the tv.  What a f#*@'ed up Christmas people thought...
And I was watching while America was distracted by Panama.

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tfb5UKpxyg

-- https://i.imgur.com/eUj375J.jpg

-- https://imgur.com/az2mkmk

-- https://i.imgur.com/S2gP3EQ.png

Imperialist Iran:

Yemen's Houthi militia close in on president's Aden base
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/25/us-yemen-security-
idUSKBN0ML0YC20150325

"Houthi leaders have said their advance is a revolution against Hadi 
and his corrupt government, and Iran has blessed their rise as part 
of an "Islamic awakening" in the region.

"Yemen's slide towards civil war has made the country a crucial 
front in mostly Sunni Saudi Arabia's rivalry with Shi'ite Iran, 
which Riyadh accuses of stirring up sectarian strife through its 
support for the Houthis.

Sunni Arab monarchies around Yemen have condemned the Shi'ite Houthi 
takeover as a coup and have mooted a military intervention in favor 
of Hadi in recent days.

U.S. officials say Saudi Arabia is moving heavy military equipment 
including artillery to areas near its border with Yemen, raising the 
risk that the Middle East s top oil power will be drawn into the 
worsening Yemeni conflict.

Saudi sources said the build-up, which also included tanks, was 
purely defensive."

I find the prospect of this one to be quite humorous:

Iran might attack American troops in Iraq, U.S. officials fear

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/could-iran-attack-
us-troops-in-iraq-116365.html#ixzz3VPdBJzID

"Two scenarios are of particular concern, officials say. One is that 
a collapse of the nuclear talks could escalate tensions between Iran 
and the U.S., emboldening Iranian hard-liners and potentially 
leading to attacks on Americans in Iraq.
Story Continued Below
The other is that increased U.S. efforts to oust Syrian president 
Bashar Assad, a close ally of Tehran, could provoke retaliation from 
Iran. White House officials who oppose greater involvement in 
Syria s civil war often cite concern for the safety of Americans in 
Iraq as a reason for caution, sources said.
In either case, U.S. officials fear, Iran could direct the Iraqi 
Shiite militias under its control to attack U.S. troops aiding the 
fight against the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant."
--------------------------------
If this were to happen: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_50-gOeBilc

Will Iran's actions in Yemen give Netanyahu's fight/fear of Iranian 
nuclear weapons credibility?

Where was the Peninsula Shield Force during Arab Spring? Conflict of 
interest? Afraid of Obama?

The Arab League summit has invited Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi to speak this 
Saturday. Same bat time, same bat channel. 

Fairly predictable outcome:

Houthi Fighters in Yemen Attack Air Base Used by U.S. Forces

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/middleeast/al-anad-air-base-
houthis-yemen.html

"The United States evacuated its military personnel from Al Anad 
several days ago, with fighters from Al Qaeda s Yemeni affiliate 
moving closer from one side and Houthi fighters pushing closer from 
the other."

"Yemen is sliding toward a civil war with ominous elements of a 
sectarian feud, a regional proxy conflict, the attempted return of 
an ousted authoritarian, and the expansion of anti-Western extremist 
groups like Al Qaeda and the Islamic State eager to capitalize on 
the chaos.

The Houthis, a religious group from northern Yemen, practice a 
variant of Shiite Islam and receive support from Iran."

Houthi is not a religious group. It's an ethnic group which happens to have
a religion, too. Not all Houthis practice the same religion.

Yemen has been in a civil war since the 1970s when the first Yemenese
government was formed in the northwest while the southeast remained under
British control.

Yemen also happens to be the only country on the Arabian Peninsula to have
actual elections with universal suffrage which in the last 10 years have been
screwed over by the US and Saudi Arabia because the outcomes were not to their
liking.

In short, don't really use Jew rags as sources of information. Barefaced lying
is a time-proven Anglo-Jew profession. Also let's have tod opine some about
Schindler blue instead of his blue collar family barbecues.

Jeb Bush defending the Patriot Act. So it begins. 
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/418737/jeb-bush-rand-paul-wrong-abo
ut- patriot-act-joel-gehrke

I have a bad feeling 2016 is going to be Clinton V Bush. At first it was
like,  okay maybe, let's hope not. Now the media is dismissing other
candidates and  putting Bush front and center. 

Jeb and his wife Hermann Goering

Now that this has been "scooped" we can look forward to more "coming
out": http://tinyurl.com/leufbkv

This is yet more amusing to me: 
A Hillary Clinton Match-Up With Marco Rubio Is a Scary Thought for
Democrats http://tinyurl.com/lsar73e

You can't run on estrogen and political correctness when there's a
young,  attractive, Hispanic with a great victim story out there
appealing to a  vastly growing population! I'm no Rubio fan but it's
always fun watching the  old establishment get destroyed. 

Then there's THIS guy: 
http://tinyurl.com/mla2d82
The press is so scared of him ruing it for Hildabeast they don't dare
speak  his name. At least not too often. They want to control the
narrative. Bush  VS Clinton. Keep it at that. Long live the dynasties. 

I want Colonel Sanders in a Klan outfit to run on the Democratic ticket.
That'll make it honest.

Who needs Al Sharpton? 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3111535/Hillary-Clinton-plays-
raucous-HALF-arena-black-university-claims-opponents-want-disempower-
disenfranchise-people-color.html

preach it Hil

> A Path Out of the Middle East Collapse
> 
> With Russia in Syria, a geopolitical structure that lasted four decades
> is in shambles. The U.S. needs a new strategy and priorities.
> 
> By HENRY A. KISSINGER

-- http://is.gd/qiK5Zs
-- (redirects to WSJ)

It begins with J, ends with W--and it rhymes with you.

OUIJA?

JooNew.

Japanese Kangaroo

-- https://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/mp-6.png

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minded American liberal. 

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