Grex Summer Conference

Item 11: Politics item

Entered by walkman on Wed Jun 25 11:20:28 2014:

1141 new of 1674 responses total.


#534 of 1674 by cross on Mon Aug 25 13:50:59 2014:

I'll repeat, again: there is no vast conspiracy to "enforce" climate denial.
Change is happening, much of it man-made, and it's going to really, really
hurt us.


#535 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Aug 25 14:10:24 2014:

My angle: who's 'us?'


#536 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Aug 25 14:56:19 2014:

Here's a convenient blacklist for alarmists to use against dissenters:

Skeptical Authors on Climate Science
http://www.eecg.utoronto.ca/~prall/climate/skeptic_authors_table.html


#537 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Aug 25 15:01:13 2014:

NOAA/NASA Dramatically Altered US Temperatures After The Year 2000
http://tinyurl.com/qhsowc7

Prior to the year 2000, NASA showed US temperatures cooling since the 
1930 s, and 1934 much warmer than 1998.
"Empirical evidence does not lend much support to the notion that 
climate is headed precipitately toward more extreme heat and drought.

In the U.S. there has been little temperature change in the past 50 
years, the time of rapidly increasing greenhouse gases   in fact, there 
was a slight cooling throughout much of the country"
------------------------------------
NOAA and CRU also reported no warming in the US during the century prior
 to 1989.

February 04, 1989

Last week, scientists from the United States Commerce Department s 
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said that a study of 
temperature readings for the contiguous 48 states over the last century 
showed there had been no significant change in average temperature over 
that period. Dr. (Phil) Jones said in a telephone interview today that 
his own results for the 48 states agreed with those findings.
-------------------------------------
Right after the year 2000, NASA and NOAA dramatically altered US climate
 history, making the past much colder and the present much warmer. The 
animation below shows how NASA cooled 1934 and warmed 1998, to make 1998
 the hottest year in US history instead of 1934. This alteration turned
a  long term cooling trend since 1930 into a warming trend.
------------------------------------- OOPS The  Ministry of Truth must
have missed the opportunity to make the  necessary changes. 


#538 of 1674 by cross on Mon Aug 25 17:38:01 2014:

resp:535 Everyone on the planet.


#539 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Aug 25 18:16:48 2014:

Re #538:

AGW and climate change as a result of it, if it comes to pass and is as
extreme as some predict, are not equally harmful to all people. In fact, the
results may be liberating to many; including whole classes. Not to mention,
not everyone even agree on what amounts to harm.


#540 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Aug 25 18:46:56 2014:

I'm sorry to report that the climate is not warming. This is to my
dismay.  The Farmer's Almanac is predicting another severe winter. 
Cooling planet. Climate pause. Polar vortex. Excuses and more excuses. 


#541 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Aug 25 19:05:25 2014:

That's immaterial. Climate remains a subject of scientific inquiry and there
will be more learnt about it over time. Whether you like it or not; whether
any true or imagined conspiracy pro/contra one or another policy likes it or
not. I think the important lesson to be learnt is that knowledge isn't
necessarily illuminating. All these vicious non-discussions come from not
knowing where and how to incorporate new knowledge.


#542 of 1674 by cross on Mon Aug 25 19:53:43 2014:

resp:539 Aggregate.


#543 of 1674 by tod on Mon Aug 25 19:54:25 2014:

Keeping up with the Joneses

Iraq's air force was built by the Brits after WWII until the monarchy was
overthrown 10 years later.  That new regime built up ties with the USSR and
had to be retrained on the MIG 17, 19, and 21's (plus Ilyushin bombers and
transports.)  They used those armaments against the Kurds all through the
60's.  In the 70's, they added French Mirage fighters and used those in the
80's against Iran. 

What do you think ISIS will force them to buy?


#544 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Aug 25 20:07:05 2014:

Re #542:

And you supply the weights?


#545 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Aug 25 21:12:35 2014:

#543 U.S. arms the Kurds in Iraq   to fight U.S.-armed ISIS

Obama administration officials announced today that they are sending 
arms to Kurdish forces in Iraq to bolster their fight against the 
Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

"ISIS has obtained some heavy weaponry, and the Kurds need additional 
arms and we're providing those   there's nothing new here," said State 
Department representative Marie Harf.

But where did that heavy weaponry come from? As Vox reported, the U.S.'s
 bombing campaign against ISIS is destroying hundreds of millions of 
dollars' worth of U.S. weapons and other military equipment that had 
originally been given to the Iraqi military, but fell into the hands of 
ISIS militants as they gained control over a wide swath of the country.

In other words, the very equipment brought to Iraq by the U.S. following
 the 2003 invasion is now being used by ISIS terrorists to attack the 
Kurds, who in turn will be armed by further shipments of American 
weaponry. - - Bonnie Kristian

http://theweek.com/speedreads/index/266190/speedreads-us-arms-the-kurds-
in-iraq--to-fight-us-armed-isis


#546 of 1674 by tod on Mon Aug 25 22:11:42 2014:

http://tinyurl.com/uzibags


#547 of 1674 by cross on Mon Aug 25 22:27:03 2014:

resp:544 Nope.  But I question whether you understand the compounding
effects these things will have on, like, the entire world.  But your attempts
to look clever sound ok.


#548 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Aug 25 22:31:20 2014:

#546 note that the image mocks/resembles Christ on the cross


#549 of 1674 by tod on Tue Aug 26 01:45:01 2014:

re #548
Ever notice when moneybags is dragged by the cop Directly To Jail that
he is outstretched like a cross and then when he does the Get Out Of Jail 
Free that he has wings?  
http://tinyurl.com/christmonopoly
http://tinyurl.com/moneybagsascent
http://tinyurl.com/moneybagscrucifixion


#550 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Aug 26 03:04:10 2014:

Re #547:

You still miss the point. Put simply, your good is not my good. Understand?


#551 of 1674 by tod on Tue Aug 26 05:26:04 2014:

Peter Lorre in Jerry Lewis's "Sad Sack" is a comedic villain.
Just sayin


#552 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Aug 26 09:14:54 2014:

Re #549:

Your willing omission of the catalyst is amusing:

-- http://is.gd/dxxDVm
+
-- http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/22536

There will be flaying to be done :-)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Re #551:

-- http://youtu.be/__eZAuc2f-Q?t=3m50s


#553 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Aug 26 09:28:10 2014:

> Who won Operation Protective Edge? Iran
> 
> [...]
> 
> Iran is also confident that the rest of the members of the P5+1 will be
> more than happy to throw Israel under the bus for billions in potential
> Iranian trade and oil. They have absolutely no moral compunction about
> dealing with the world's leading state sponsor of terror, treating Iran
> as a welcomed member of the family of nations.
> 
> [...]
> 
> * August 11 -- Iranian President Hassan Rouhani practiced taddiyah,
> Islamic religiously sanctioned deception, by chastising Iranian
> hardliners. While the West lauded Iran for converting much of its 20%
> enriched uranium, Irans advanced centrifuges make possession of 20%
> uranium irrelevant. Iran can convert 3% non-enriched uranium to 90%
> nuclear grade uranium in six to eight weeks with advanced centrifuges.
> 
> [...]

-- http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Who-won-Operation-Protective-Edge-Iran-3722
96

Yeah, 'taddiyah.' Jew scum regurgitations out of Jew York. Won't the JewS
'taddiyah' his ass to Jewistan? It's about time.

P.S. As even Pam G. could've told you it's taqiy'yah. Evil Mozzies do it all
the time. So unlike the Jew scum that now festers openly on every sore.


#554 of 1674 by tod on Tue Aug 26 10:10:10 2014:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=VklUhPWJdag


#555 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Aug 26 11:49:21 2014:

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv7VqFzJWzg


#556 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Aug 26 12:22:32 2014:

> Iran supplied weapons to Iraqi Kurdish forces; Baghdad bomb kills 12
> 
> (Reuters) - Iran has supplied weapons and ammunition to Iraqi Kurdish
> forces, Kurdistan President Massoud Barzani said Tuesday at a joint
> press conference with Iranian foreign minister Mohammad Javad Zarif in
> Arbil, capital of Iraq's Kurdish region.
> 
> The direct arming of Kurdish forces is a contentious issue because some
> Iraqi politicians have said they suspect Kurdish leaders have
> aspirations to break away from the central government completely. The
> move could also be seen by some as a prelude to Iran taking a more
> direct role in broader Iraqi conflict.
> 
> "We asked for weapons and Iran was the first country to provide us with
> weapons and ammunition," Barzani said.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/993sQj
-- (redirects to uk.Reuters)

So... is Izzy defanged? Or is this a whole new chapter?


#557 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Aug 26 12:23:42 2014:

I do wonder, though, where Iran is slipping there; or it already has a firm
grip and a ready razor held to Barzani's balls.


#558 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Aug 26 12:28:18 2014:

s/where/whether/


#559 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Aug 26 12:37:45 2014:

Treasonous sack of shit. This is the pretext for the next 911 attack.
Narrative: Someone slipped in through the process and wow, we just 
didn't have the intelligence. They are already floating news that ISIS 
and Mexican drug cartels are working together. 

Alternate narrative: A white extremist "tea party patriot" was so angry 
about the 5 million amnesty, they acted out against the government. 
Bring in the government demolition crew and McVeigh 2.0. There are 3 
suspects. There is one suspect. 

"Dem Rep Guti rrez appeared on MSNBC's Jose Diaz-Balart after MSNBC 
senior White House correspondent Chris Jansing said that senior White 
House officials expect Obama to grant executive amnesty to around 5 
million illegal immigrants after his European trip to Estonia and Wales 
next week."

"Reports have indicated that the executive action President Obama is 
planning to make by the end of summer could legalize some 5 million 
undocumented immigrants."

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/08/25/Rep-Luis-Guti-rrez-
on-Expected-Executive-Order-Get-Prepared


#560 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Aug 26 12:43:22 2014:

"Whites" are busy with rainbow bracelets. Don't worry ;-)


#561 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Aug 26 12:53:39 2014:

#560 or being shot dead by black cops while the media looks the other
way

Ferguson-like attack in Utah escapes media notice; race bias seen
http://tinyurl.com/nap45at


#562 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Aug 26 12:55:40 2014:

And who owns "the media?" >:-D


#563 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Aug 26 13:19:45 2014:

Lots of people/organizations own the media. Who CONTROLS the media?
That's  the bigger question IMO.


#564 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Aug 26 13:56:36 2014:

Lots? Really?

-- http://is.gd/6GKtHz
-- (redirects to Sons of Liberty Academy)

They wouldn't be in immaculate chorus if the ownership were diverse.


#565 of 1674 by cross on Tue Aug 26 15:19:54 2014:

resp:548 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEAlfdf_1cI


#566 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Aug 26 16:45:37 2014:

That one-ups the monopoly guy for sure.


#567 of 1674 by tod on Tue Aug 26 17:16:19 2014:

Obama Administration is claiming it will not coordinate with Assad
Regime to fight ISIS in Syria (per Josh Ernest Aug 26) yet the
US military is relaying intel on ISIS through Russia and Iraq.


#568 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Aug 26 17:25:57 2014:

#567 Remember when Saudi's funded 911 and we attacked their enemy
(Iraq)?  Assad fights American equipped & trained ISIS. Obama declares a
war on ISIS.  Even though ISIS is a common enemy of Assad, why not
attack Assad too?  You have to do mental gymnastics to make sense of the
nonsense.  Or you could just tune into MSNBC/CNN and tune out. The NPR
voices will  lull you into serenity now. 


#569 of 1674 by cross on Tue Aug 26 18:01:46 2014:

resp:568 What?  Oh, sorry; I couldn't hear you over the sound of the
Starbucks barista making my latte before I get into my hybrid car and drive to
the Whole Foods.  There's a sale; half off organic Guatamalan kale.


#570 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Aug 26 18:30:43 2014:

#569 Military contractors died for your freedoms.


#571 of 1674 by tod on Wed Aug 27 01:05:27 2014:

I like my coffee with guilt and hitsquads - straight out of the gas 
station thermos.


#572 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Aug 27 02:39:31 2014:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jundallah_(Iran)#International_sponsorship

Reeks of America, as usual.


#573 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Aug 27 11:51:58 2014:

#572 Did you get a whiff of Starbucks and Exxon? 

I would love it if American media were to speak of these kinds of 
activities instead of glamorizing Obamas and Clintons as if they were 
media sensations. Then of course there are always the American flag
lapel  pins and yellow ribbons, gestures of support to the troops and
reports of  rescued kittens and ice bucket challenges to put the public
at ease and  reassure then that the age of exceptionalism is here and we
are all lucky  to be tweeting and friending. 

What would Jundallah do besides disrupt things and stir fear? There's no
 chance the group would be strong enough to overthrow the establishment.


#574 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Aug 27 13:31:42 2014:

Re #573:

Be sure to check all the links.

-- http://temi.repubblica.it/limes-heartland/the-centro-asian-ring-2/859
+
-- http://is.gd/M77Umq
+
-- http://is.gd/G8I1n6

> [...]
> 
> Article 146  [No Foreign Military Base]
> 
> The establishment of any kind of foreign military base in Iran, even for
> peaceful purposes, is forbidden.
> 
> [...]
> 
> Article 152  [Principles]
> 
> The foreign policy of the Islamic Republic of Iran is based upon the
> rejection of all forms of domination, both the exertion of it and
> submission to it, the preservation of the independence of the country in
> all respects and its territorial integrity, the defence of the rights of
> all Muslims, nonalignment with respect to the hegemonist superpowers,
> and the maintenance of mutually peaceful relations with all
> non-belligerent States.
> 
> Article 153  [No Foreign Control]
> 
> Any form of agreement resulting in foreign control over the natural
> resources, economy, army, or culture of the country, as well as other
> aspects of the national life, is forbidden.
> 
> Article 154  [Independence, Support of Just Struggles]
> 
> The Islamic Republic of Iran has as its ideal human felicity throughout
> human society, and considers the attainment of independence, freedom,
> and rule of justice and truth to be the right of all people of the
> world. Accordingly, while scrupulously refraining from all forms of
> interference in the internal affairs of other nations, it supports the
> just struggles of the freedom fighters against the oppressors in every
> corner of the globe.
> 
> [...]

-- http://www.servat.unibe.ch/icl/ir00000_.html
+
-- https://www.google.com/search?q=%22a+nation+or+a+cause%22


#575 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Aug 27 15:50:28 2014:

> New Iran-Contra book shows how US-Iran ties were scuttled
> 
> The scandal that became known as Iran-Contra is a distant memory for
> most Americans and Iranians. But an important new book provides
> fascinating details about US ignorance about Iran, which contributed to
> the largely botched effort to free US hostages in Lebanon and hindered a
> possible breakthrough in US-Iran ties 30 years ago.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/g8EQsg
-- (redirects to al-Monitor)

Made sense of quite a few things to me. In particular, why Israel was willing
to play.

The US knew then and ever since the Islamic Republic can be a very useful
partner. Israel, on the other hand, knew it can't keep existing for long while
the Islamic Republic exists. It paid for the US, not for Israel. Was a mystery
to me why they played at all. Clears it up a bit: Izzy was apparently aiming
to pull an al-Sisi on Iran.

P.S. You have to read Banisadr's duplicity between Persian and English
interviews to see how full spectrum Iranian opposition to the Jewish apartheid
state is.


#576 of 1674 by tod on Wed Aug 27 18:19:47 2014:

NSC overstepped it's fundraising efforts - no doubt.  Poindexter and
North should have done time but Reagan had their backs.  I don't think
anyone at that level was convinced Lebanon was a place where Israel should
have driven more than 20 miles over the line for more than 7 days but it
did happen and then things like Colonel Higgins engendered apathy towards
Lebanon.


#577 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Aug 27 19:08:46 2014:

-- https://youtu.be/pdZgkGI5h0A

About two orders of magnitude better than the Star-Spangled Banner.


#578 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Aug 27 19:47:59 2014:

9 yr uzi old girl should be charged with terrorism. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsHoOIHDutE

#577 Very classy prostitute. 

It's all a decomposing skull with flowers. A caterpillar metamorphosing
inside  of a spent mortar shell. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JRxVov_0a0 




#579 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Aug 27 19:51:03 2014:

Re #578:

Hooker with a heart of gold. You jealous?


#580 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Aug 27 20:12:07 2014:

#579 All of us are paid to perform. Am I jealous of breathing? Of eating
and  sleeping? 


#581 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Aug 28 03:38:53 2014:

Re #580:

Nah, the 24K gold heart *chuckle*


#582 of 1674 by tod on Thu Aug 28 03:47:09 2014:

Client #5


#583 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Aug 28 04:12:30 2014:

Candy Shop?


#584 of 1674 by tod on Thu Aug 28 05:07:02 2014:

Perhaps you've seen my series: Mackin Chicks on X-Box
{nerd laughter}


#585 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Aug 28 11:24:50 2014:

> There is always a need for intoxication: China has opium, Islam has
> hashish, the West has woman.

Hm?


#586 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Aug 28 12:08:09 2014:

I thought Northern Italy and Brazil had the women? 
The west has Kentucky Fried Chicken and imported Korean tvs. 


#587 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Aug 28 12:35:09 2014:

Take it to Malraux. Trivia: 'maalrow' means in Persian 'narrow road only
suitable to beasts of burden [not to carriages].'


#588 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Aug 28 13:02:44 2014:

That road is the master staircase only the slaves travel.
The service elevator.
The back kitchen.
The work shop. 
The low down.


#589 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Aug 28 16:45:23 2014:

Welcome to the Islamic State. 
http://tinyurl.com/pp93qrn


#590 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Aug 28 17:25:15 2014:

So, if ISIS is doing "war crimes" and the US armed them, will McCain now be
taken to ICC? Or will the US Murder Corps keep gurgling his salty and vinegary
ball sack?

Welcome to America.

(Technically, if you aren't a state, nor are you a party to Geneva Convention,
nor have you signed the Rome Statute you cannot commit war crimes. HRW knows
this. DailyMail had its mouth shut during NATO bombings of Libya and Operation
Serval.)


#591 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Aug 28 18:54:46 2014:

"Technically, if you aren't a state, nor are you a party to Geneva 
Convention, nor have you signed the Rome Statute you cannot commit 
war crimes."

Right. And said party cannot accuse US Murder Corps for stacking 
them in naked pyramids, tazering their nuts or forcing them to 
sodomize each other on a stack of burned Koran bromance novels.

*cranks Seek & Destroy by Metallica*

>So, if ISIS is doing "war crimes" and the US armed them, will 
McCain now be taken to ICC? 

McCain, Bush Jr., Hillary, Obama and their accomplices are all 
guilty of war crimes IMO. You can shackle 'em up and throw your 
shoes. I'm okay with it.


#592 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Aug 28 19:56:28 2014:

Following your logic China should pull a Nanjing on Jew York due to US Murder
Corps' deeds. I would love to see that.


#593 of 1674 by tod on Thu Aug 28 20:12:12 2014:

re #590
No no...this is how it happened
The Iraq gummin, namely al Maliki, didn't hire Sunni soldiers.  Thus,
there was a vacuum of unemployed Sunni guys in their 20's looking to
kill something/somebody for profit.  Enter ISIS.
McCain or whomever having supplied rebels of various factions 
just happens to be like Obama giving cash for clunkers - you can't
blame Obama for alot of texting accidents by entitlement bastards
who have an Obama phone and Clunker compact car.


#594 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Aug 28 23:05:47 2014:

McCain is a secret Wahabist. 


#595 of 1674 by tod on Thu Aug 28 23:28:53 2014:

McCain made money selling beer to minors.  


#596 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Aug 29 00:29:31 2014:

Obadiah calls himself an "iron monger," and has no qualms about selling 
Stark Industries weapons to both sides of the conflict. Tony returns
home,  furious. While there he watches news reports of the worsening
situation in  the Gulmira region. He tests modifications to his hand
repulsors, turning  them into a weapon. When the new suit is completed
it is fitted to his body  by an automated robotic system. Stark flies
off to Gulmira at hypersonic  speed, determined to right his company's
wrongs.

In Gulmira, terrorists are rounding up civilians for capture and
execution  when they are confronted by Stark, whose Mark III armor is
more than a match  for them. Within seconds, he defeats the first group
of terrorists, using  his advanced weapons to take out several without
any innocent casualties. He  destroys the terrorists' missiles. He
leaves the group's leader, Raza's  chief lieutenant, alive and
defenseless for the villagers to take their  revenge on.


#597 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Aug 29 02:07:24 2014:

#596 sounds about as stupid as America.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Re #593:

Decoy story. Maliki himself didn't design or start de-Ba'athification although
he benefitted from it. In Iraq "Sunni" is a cover term for Ba'ath beneficiary
due to the extent of Saddam's culture of dependency. These former
beneficiaries cannot be trusted with positions of even small power, as seen
in desertions of "Sunni" soldiers who _were_ recruited and left behind arms
and equipment for ISIS. Removal of Maliki won't change the design or the trend
either. It is a catharsis of Iraqi society by necessity rather than
preference. These were the same subset of Iraqis who cheered for Saddam's
al-Qadisiy'yah myths, had no sympathies against forced exile of more than a
tenth of their countrymen under a label, and spared Iranian POW's no
harrassment.

A possible cure migth've been retaining and expanding a generous social
welfare programs to disincentivize such behavior without actually giving
power. But hey, have to lavish funds on Green Zone, contractor security, and
military vehicle fuelling. And don't you think that wasn't already
nickel-and-dimed from Iraq's revenues.

Re. ISIS arming, I'll notify ICTR of your reasoning. They should reverse some
convictions.


#598 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Aug 29 02:19:44 2014:

 Did Someone Order a Sexy Persian Wingman?  ~ Roger, American Dad

Interesting take on Iraq. I wonder why American media does not crucify
Bush  for causing the mess instead of insisting on more war. Honestly, I
give up. I  hate to see what is going on but war is in the cards
apparently no matter who  is in charge at superpowers, inc. 



#599 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Aug 29 03:39:25 2014:

Jew decide.

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Emergency_Task_Force

+

> Did an Israel lobby front group organize McCain's trip to Syria?
> 
> In an attempt to dispel embarrassing reports that Senator John McCain's
> "surprise" trip to Syria featured a meeting with kidnappers -- including
> Mohammad Nour of the Northern Storm rebel group -- behind the 2012
> abduction of 11 Lebanese religious pilgrims, The Daily Beast's Josh
> Rogin cited Mouaz Moustafa, the executive director of a little-known
> organization called The Syrian Emergency Task Force:
> 
> > "Nobody self-identified as Nour, and none of the guys who were
> > standing outside were in the meeting with McCain," said Mouaz
> > Moustafa, executive director of the Syrian Emergency Task Force, an
> > American nonprofit that helped organize the McCain trip. Moustafa is
> > in the picture and was also inside McCain's meeting with the rebel
> > commanders, along with Task Force political director Elizabeth O'Bagy.
> 
> Rogin's defense of McCain, of course, rests on the perceived
> independence of Moustafa's "NGO." The Syrian Emergency Task Force,
> however, appears to have close ties to one foreign government and its
> powerful American lobby. Not only is Mouaz Moustafa listed as one of the
> Washington Institute's "experts," he recently addressed the
> AIPAC-created think tank's annual Soref symposium on the theme of
> "Inside Syria: The Battle Against Assad's Regime."
> 
> [...]


-- http://is.gd/JphkVa
-- (redirects to The Passionate Attachment)

+

> Meet the Syrian Islamist Organization Controlling Senator McCain's
> Agenda
> 
> A few days ago, the Wall Street Journal ran a high profile article from
> one Elizabeth O'Bagy arguing that the majority of the Syrian rebels were
> actually moderates.
> 
> Senator McCain mentioned Elizabeth O'Bagy's op-ed during the Senate
> hearings, when he wasn't playing poker, and tweeted it. That should come
> as no surprise, considering that O'Bagy is credited with arranging
> McCain's infamous photo op with the Syrian rebel leadership.
> 
> The Wall Street Journal lists O'Bagy's role as the Institute for the
> Study of War. It leaves out the fact that she is the political director
> for the Syrian Emergency Task Force making her an activist.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/8NrPYp
-- (redirects to FrontPage)


#600 of 1674 by tod on Fri Aug 29 05:52:07 2014:

re #597
 These were the same subset of Iraqis who cheered for Saddam's
 al-Qadisiy'yah myths, had no sympathies against forced exile of more than
a
 tenth of their countrymen under a label, and spared Iranian POW's no
 harrassment.

 A possible cure migth've been retaining and expanding a generous social
 welfare programs to disincentivize such behavior without actually giving
 power. But hey, have to lavish funds on Green Zone, contractor security, and
 military vehicle fuelling. And don't you think that wasn't already
 nickel-and-dimed from Iraq's revenues.

yep


#601 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Aug 29 12:08:55 2014:

Don't forget to pass out recreational drugs. That helps too.


#602 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Aug 29 12:19:56 2014:

21st century yet there are cowardly men among us who have no honor or 
integrity that are the very worst of what humanity has to offer. 
http://tinyurl.com/po8ohnh

When I think of how ignorant and savage these people are, I have to say 
it's an insult to animals to make a comparison. They are beneath rats. 


#603 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Aug 29 12:27:25 2014:

King Obama is going to bring it to Syria and Iraq. 
http://time.com/3211132/isis-iraq-syria-barack-obama-strategy/

I wonder if the F-16s Obama gave to Muslim Brotherhood have remote kill 
switches? Just a random thought. It's not like I think Brotherhood 
weapons would end up in the hands of Islamic State. I know the Saudis 
are keeping them flush with cash but they don't stand a chance against 
Obama's death machine. If I was pro-war and bloodthirsty I would be 
getting excited about what is to come. Savages getting savaged. Then 
some other mystery sand nigger mohammed-cult group will pop up and more 
brown people will be planted like turnips. It's all white noise for the 
Apple event on 9/9. 


#604 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Aug 29 12:34:47 2014:

More naked emperors: 
http://tinyurl.com/n6ufg3d


#605 of 1674 by tod on Fri Aug 29 15:16:00 2014:

re #603
He's a great leader ...
...of egg hunts and pep rallies


#606 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Aug 29 15:22:39 2014:

#605 What kind of president/leader sends his people to incite racial 
hostility after a unarmed man is killed by a cop? What kind of 
president would admit there's a grave threat but there is no strategy? 
It's baffling to me. 

And of course I'm only being pest (with cynicism that would read bad by 
people who don't really understand me) in 602-604 but deep down I'm 
seriously troubled and frustrated by what is going on. There's drama in 
the theater and the actors are all giving it their best shot. War is 
obvious. But the endgame is not good for anyone!


#607 of 1674 by tod on Fri Aug 29 15:24:51 2014:

re #606
Ukraine is being invaded and Obama sits on his ass.  *shrug*
GH Bush would have at least pulled EU leadership into a room for some
windmill cookies and Vernors.


#608 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Aug 29 16:32:05 2014:

> The time is ripe for a charismatic, populist leader to channel people's
> anger into war
> 
> Posted by Editor on October 30, 2011 in Europe, Opinion, U.S.
> 
> [...]
> 
> This historical moment demands an individual who is capable of tapping
> into public frustration--as Hitler did for Germany in the traumatic
> period of time following World War I--and linking it to a captivating
> ideology that everybody can get behind and follow enthusiastically and
> blindly. Without a compelling narrative, our collective acrimony will
> produce little in the way of bloodshed.
> 
> Throughout history, ideologically-driven leaders have emerged to fill
> the gap between our indignation and the practical actions needed to
> create a new order--built, of course, through indiscriminate slaughter,
> but maintained through the kind of close surveillance that only the most
> ruthless and dedicated authoritarian regime can oversee. Pinochet, Mao,
> Stalin: these were more than just men of vision--they were a critical
> resource for a disillusioned public that demanded clear orders to follow
> to the death. Literally, to the death. I would like to believe that
> humanity has not yet exhausted such a valuable commodity.

-- http://is.gd/SA3kSU
-- (redirects to The Daily Autocrat)


#609 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Aug 29 17:15:34 2014:

BTW, 'no strategy' sounds like a POTUS telling the truth for once. I realize
being weaned off of big boy attitudes at once is hard, but it's for the best.


#610 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Aug 29 17:57:28 2014:

"BTW, 'no strategy' sounds like a POTUS telling the truth for once. 
I realize being weaned off of big boy attitudes at once is hard, but 
it's for the best."

The situation did not develop overnight. Saying, "there is no 
strategy"  is a great way to get people to lose confidence. Does a 
CEO say, "competition is tough, we have no strategy to deal with 
them?"
Having the president of America say that is pretty incredible. Did 
Moses say, "I have no plan" to the 600,000 Israelites before they 
were driven out of Egypt? Hell no! He stood up like a man and led 
them to the promised land. He had a plan! 

Obama is not a leader. 


#611 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Aug 29 18:54:18 2014:

Yes, it developed over the long history of American international crimes and
blunders. At least eight decades of it until now. Historical events at the
scale of decades don't fade with time. They accumulate and sometimes even
become amplified by circumstances. Now, if you want the crimes and blunders
since the 1930s to have faded you should deep-freeze yourself and set the
timer to perhaps around year 2100.

Do you prefer being lied to? Has that produced good results so far?

If a CEO falsifies performance data presented to shareholders his head will
be on a pike. This one is being nice enough to tell you you may want to jump
ship while you can.

No POTUS has been qualified enough to run a high school on his own since after
Eisenhower.


#612 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Aug 29 19:48:55 2014:

> Exclusive: U.S. may use secrets act to stop suit against Iran sanctions
> group

-- http://is.gd/WYah1V
-- (redirects to Reuters)

+

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP4lWzlO894


#613 of 1674 by tod on Sat Aug 30 03:20:34 2014:

I don't believe folks like Olsen and McRaven sit on their hands without
giving a plan to POTUS to implement in a 24 hour window.  No strategy my
ass.  He's just letting it unfold.  Perhaps there's something bigger
they're planning to do...


#614 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Aug 30 06:17:31 2014:

Limited hangout.


#615 of 1674 by tod on Sat Aug 30 16:14:56 2014:

Maybe a landbridge to Crimea is not a problem to the pretzel party in 
Belgium.  A few sanctions here and there, some political banter, and
dip the hands into the taxpayer cookie jar for good measure.


#616 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Aug 30 16:29:24 2014:

If the EU had brains it'd be more concerned about US behavior than Russia.
Russia is uninterested in expansion and would've been just happy to not be
pestered while running its own version of gangster capitalism. The US is not
like that.


#617 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Aug 30 19:02:31 2014:

How many countries has the U.S. Taken over and made part of the whole?


#618 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Aug 30 19:33:25 2014:

I could name the two recent ones.


#619 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Aug 30 19:39:24 2014:

What are they?


#620 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Aug 30 20:09:15 2014:

Afghanistan. Iraq. (Tried also with Ukraine.)


#621 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Aug 30 20:26:51 2014:

Afghanistan and Iraq are not part of the United States. I'm a little
surprised  I had to explain this as it seemed obvious.


#622 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Aug 30 20:35:13 2014:

They are better than parts. All the goodies, none of the responsibilities.


#623 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Aug 30 23:45:26 2014:

No goodies from either country are going to the U.S. and you know it. 
Afghanistan does offer *some* *paid for* exports to the United States
but  they are a tiny fraction of what comes in from other countries,
even  compared to other countries in the region of Afghanistan (like
Turkey and  India).

Regarding Iraq, other than oil, most of which is promised to China, the
main  export is agriculture which is marketed middle eastern countries. 

Nice try!

Now where Russia is concerned, they are annexing the Ukraine. 
U.S. trade for capital goods with Iraq and Afghanistan vs annexation of 
Ukraine. Apples and oranges and you know it. And don't insult me by
asking  for sources for info concerning Chinese oil contracts in Iraq. 


#624 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Aug 31 05:06:24 2014:

I suggest looking up Afghan copper for starters. Then the rest of
Afghanistan's mineral resources.

Re. China, you really don't understand its relationship to the US; or rather,
those who actually count in the US (and their EU friends). Just look at whose
money it is that's getting compounded when it's "China" that appears to be
making money. And bear in mind, this is real money due to how its tied to
actual resources and products. It isn't toy money as used by the little people
inside American borders.

One piece of information you seem to be sorely missing is that of all the
hydrocarbon resources the US has been murdering people to control a rather
small, and declining, fraction is actually for use inside the US. Its function
is global market control and through that maintaining political control of
vassals and colonies. 'Oil promised to China' has never been a problem. Who
gets to control its flow is. Likewise, Russian natural gas sold to the EU is
not the problem; control of its flow is.

That is not to mention major military bases which should (and would) only
exist on own soil (were it not for the fact that Afghanistan and Iraq are new
'lesser states' of the US).

As they say, once the US has gained ground somewhere it never leaves.


#625 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Aug 31 05:09:10 2014:

Uh, I should've taken your word 'trade' and scare-quoted it, too: "trade."
America doesn't do trade. America giveth, America taketh ;-)

Re. Russia, Ukraine is their Mexico and they're taking Texas.


#626 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Aug 31 09:41:51 2014:

> Iran Didn't Create ISIS; We Did
> 
> Instead of shifting blame for ISIS's rise, the West and its allies
> should look in the mirror.
> 
> The Baroness Turner of Camden recently argued in The Diplomat that Iran
> is the "major driving force" in Iraq's civil war, and furthermore, that
> Iran is "central to the broader conflict that has seemingly put the
> entire Middle East beyond hope of stability." The Baroness' article is
> right about one thing: the Iranian regime brutally suppresses
> dissidents. But it is not the main party responsible for Iraq's civil
> war, or for the broader conflict in the Levant. It may be convenient for
> dissidents and opponents of the current Iranian regime to blame Iran for
> the rise of ISIS, but history tells a different story.
> 
> [...]

-- http://thediplomat.com/2014/08/iran-didnt-create-isis-we-did/

The Baroness had Newt's hand up her rear. Someone's pointing it out. Unusual.

By the way, dear America, 'brutal' is you and your whore mama; not Iran or
the Islamic Republic.


#627 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Aug 31 17:41:59 2014:

> Brief met excuses aan President Putin
> 
> De groep achter De Ommekeer heeft een brief opgesteld aan president van
> Rusland, Vladimir Putin. Onze politici en de media liegen ongeloofelijk
> als het gaat om de Oekrane. De opstand en het afzetten van de regering
> is geheel door de VS en de EU georganiseerd. Met het neerhalen van MH 17
> heeft het de aandacht van Nederland. Dat echter de politiek en de media
> bol staan van de leugens valt blijkbaar niemand op. Rusland heeft de
> Krim niet geannexeerd, Rusland heeft het vliegtuig niet neergeschoten,
> er is nog geen onomstotelijk bewijs. Maar de VS en de EU hebben al een
> vonnis uitgesproken nog voordat er een onderzoek is geweest en dit
> onomstotelijk bewijs is geleverd. Dit is niet hoe een rechtsstaat
> functioneert.
> 
> [...]
> 
> Dear Mr. President Putin,
> 
> Please accept our apologies on behalf of a great many people here in the
> Netherlands for our Government and our Media. The facts concerning MH17
> are twisted to defame you and your country.
> 
> We are powerless onlookers, as we witness how the Western Nations, led
> by the United States, accuse Russia of crimes they commit themselves
> more than anybody else. We reject the double standards that are used for
> Russia and the West. In our societies, sufficient evidence is required
> for a conviction. The way you and your Nation are convicted for crimes
> without evidence, is ruthless and despicable.
> 
> [...]

-- http://ommekeer-nederland.nl/brief-met-excuses-aan-president-putin/
+
-- http://ommekeer-nederland.nl/brief-met-excuses-aan-president-putin/#engl
ish

> Cees Jan (Cees) Hamelink (Rotterdam, 14 september 1940) is emeritus
> hoogleraar Internationale Communicatie aan de Universiteit van Amsterdam
> en emeritus hoogleraar Media. Hij is hoogleraar in managementinformatie
> en kennis aan de universiteit van Aruba en hoogleraar media, religie and
> cultuur aan de Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam.
> 
> [...]

-- http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cees_Hamelink


#628 of 1674 by tod on Sun Aug 31 19:10:35 2014:

re #625
 Re. Russia, Ukraine is their Mexico and they're taking Texas.

Ukraine is the size of Texas.  How about - former USSR countries are
their Mexico and they're *attempting* to take Texas.
Bessarabia will be the undoing of Putin.


#629 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Aug 31 19:22:47 2014:

Re #628:

Nope. Russia won't even try that.


#630 of 1674 by tod on Sun Aug 31 22:35:03 2014:

re #628
All the signs point to it so far


#631 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 1 00:31:27 2014:

Re #630:

Only in a reading that sees Russia as proactive rather than reactive. I don't
see many respectable voices harboring that reading.


#632 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Sep 1 00:39:56 2014:

Just some vodka drinkers having a good time on the phone.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/06/just-joking-bugged-russi
 an- ambassador-want-to-annex-alaska-and-miami.html


#633 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 1 00:58:39 2014:

Yeah, whore writing for Jew mouthpiece. Why am I not surprised. You're welcome
to be... lie.... ve, of course.


#634 of 1674 by tod on Mon Sep 1 05:53:20 2014:

re #631
Respectable?  I suppose these gents were just on a camping trip?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2e6qaUVM8Q


#635 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 1 06:53:13 2014:

Re #634:

How does that negate that Russia is reactive?

Russia frames this--correctly, mind you--as NED funding a coup in a
neighboring country where it has vital interests and whose fate is tied with
Russia's in a million ways; not the least of those a large Russian-speaking
population subgroup. Its response is not Soviet-irredentist. Rather one in
many ways similar to American support of RoC (the usual 'a son of a bitch,
but our son of bitch'). Geographic proximity allows this Russian Taiwan to
be administered as well, although only reluctantly.

You cast it all as Soviet irredentism. I said that would mean Russia is being
proactive and that most respectable voices concur it is not. If not provoked
by the coup there wouldn't be any moves on part of Russia, I believe. It has
far more important business to do. In fact, the timing of this coup is likely
related to other American clashes with Russia elsewhere. Somewhere in there
South Stream pipeline is probably being considered as well.


#636 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Sep 1 11:52:02 2014:

A large population of Iranians live in the United States. They are
American.  It's time we save all the unfortunate Iranians in Iran from
the threat of  poverty and mistreatment. Annexation is the only way to
help unfortunate  relatives of United States citizens. I also heard that
there are English  speaking folks in Iran. It's an outrage that we allow
them to live under heavy  rule where their internet is restricted and
sanctions threaten their health  and safety!


#637 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 1 13:19:10 2014:

Re #636:

False analogy. Ukraine doesn't have a separate history of its own. The country
you know as Russia was run out of Kiev for five centuries and Kievan Rus was
only ended by Mongols. Think of its relations to Russia as that of New England
to the US, with a twist. NATO can try to redraw borders according to Western
interests but it cannot change history.

Annexation is not what's happening. Russia has not annexed Ukraine. It has
done two things:

1. rearranged Crimean peninsula administratively,

2. supported Russian separatists in two or three Ukrainian provinces.

Relevant QA:

a. Are these nice things to do? No.

b. Are they comparable to Western behavior? Yes, just far less pernicious.
Russia is geographically and culturally relevant in Ukraine. The US is not,
anywhere outside of North America.

c. Is there precedent? Yes, American history with Mexico.

d. Do they impinge on sovereignty? Yes and no; sovereignty is quite complex.
The UN decolonization procedures ongoing since the end of the Second World
War set precedents and are evaluated case by case. For example, one of Israeli
arguments against Palestinians is that a Palestinian nation never existed,
which is true but irrelevant and should be contrasted with "Biblical"
"history" claims of Jews which are plain bullshit. Historical land claims and
sovereignty are not one and the same.

e. Do they contest any groups' historical land claims? No, and no population
displacements are expected to result. The issue is purely about political
organization: who and how of rule.

f. Could an integral Ukraine continue to exist? No, since a doctrinally
anti-Russian group came to power through NED's coup.

g. Can Ukraine be reintegrated? Yes, by Ukrainian elite acknowledging Russian
relevance in their equations. Which they did until very recently. NATO and
the EU sang them songs and this is the outcome. Ukraine to Russia can be
Afghanistan to Iran. Iran does not intend to leave Afghanistan, ever. There
is no 'exit strategy' for Iran vis-a-vis Afghanistan. However, Iran doesn't
intend to administer Afghanistan either. It demands--and takes--relevance in
Afghan politics in return for favorable treatment of Afghanistan and its
people.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Re. Iranians in America, English speakers in Iran:

Iranians in the US don't have historical land claims and have been admitted
under specific conditions set in their residence permits or the Oath of
Allegiance. Those conditions are legally and morally binding. The allegiances
of any citizens must be to the US. If any naturalized US citizen of Iranian
birth engages in tradecraft against the US they will rightfully be tried for
treason.

By contrast, Ukraine was carved out of historically Russian lands after the
collapse of the Soviet Union and in fact Ukrainian language was not even a
majority language in Ukraine until recently. Recent formation of Ukraine as
a country did not in any legal way gain the allegiances of the Russians
residing in newfangled borders. Compare with other former SSRs, such as
Tajikistan, where Russian language never was any majority's native tongue and
no locals felt allegiances to any incarnation of Russia.

There are perhaps a tiny number of Iranians in Iran whose native tongue is
English. All other Iranians speak other languages than English as their native
tongue and have historically been subject of one or another Iranian state.

Iran's annexation by the US can work out, too. I assure you if the US were
to grant all Iranians equal US citizenship and take responsibility for their
well-being things would be very differently than what the US actually wants
from and does to its vassals and colonies. (Hint: plunder.)


#638 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 1 13:22:55 2014:

Er, things would be seen very differently.


#639 of 1674 by tod on Mon Sep 1 16:14:20 2014:

re #637
 Ukraine was carved out of historically Russian lands

Do some more reading on Bessarabia.  This is not a "return to the 
Motherland" natural progression going on unless you're a Bolshevik.


#640 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 1 16:47:39 2014:

Re #639:

I didn't say it is, and even if it were Ukrainians could still legitimately
resent it. I don't think Afghans would be at all fond of reintegration with
Iran. Most of Central Asia and Caucasus wouldn't be either. Tajikistan,
perhaps. For that matter, for a while--even if short--Afghans were ruling Iran
so they can envision reintegration in those terms rather than the other way
around.

I'm not too fond of any recent--say, 1800s and onwards--nationalism movements
either. By then the game had radically changed due to early mass media
(printing press onwards) and revisionism has just caused compounding trouble.
Pahlavis were taught a lesson about their comical oil "Persianism" the hard
way. Financier Zionism and Saudi Aramco "Arabism" are next ;-)

The backbones of culture--language, religion, blood--which I invokved are a
matter of who is relevant where, not justification for intrusion. See QA (a)
and (b). If absolute sovereignty were to be the gauge then NED and other
intereferences of irrelevant, conniving parties with vested interests and deep
pockets would be the first that need culling. Had the West been less of a
bunch of deceptive, thieving murderers the valuable human lessons which they
have misappropriated under the false rubric of "Western" values would have
a better change of taking root everywhere.

But hey, who am I to disturb your Dacian wet dreams :-P


#641 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Sep 1 23:12:31 2014:

The west gave you unix and the internet. Dont bite the hand.


#642 of 1674 by tod on Tue Sep 2 04:31:19 2014:

re #640
 But hey, who am I to disturb your Dacian wet dreams :-P

Really, the Dacian wet dreams going around are that Putin gets his
half to the Danube of Ukraine and Moldova jumps into the arms of Romania
begging for unification to enjoy EU membership/protection.


#643 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 2 06:49:12 2014:

Re #641:

"China" gave "you" paper and gunpowder; did "you" behave "yourself?"

(Neither statement is true, by the way. In both yours and mine sufficiency
is mistaken for necessity. It's an easy enough mistake to make when reading
history backwards. With or without the West or China Homo sapiens would have
produced things close enough to paper, gunpowder, UNIX, and the Internet. Not
to mention no significant altruism has been involved in the spread of these
technologies.)


#644 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 2 07:07:07 2014:

Re #642:

> INFOGRAPHIC
> Where the European brains go

-- http://www.alpbach.org/alpbuzz/where-the-european-brains-move/

It isn't so much "brains" as it is qualified professionals, but yeah.


#645 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 2 12:46:27 2014:

#643 Jews are homo sapiens too. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_inventions_and_discoveries


#646 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 2 12:50:13 2014:

#644 Give us your CPAs, MBAs, Drs, Physicists, Chemists, 
Biologists...keep your tired, your needy and your criminals. 
Some countries have more of the latter than worth pursuing. 


#647 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 2 12:59:48 2014:

Re #645:

No doubt. Which means nobody needed Izzy and when Jews chose to tie themselves
to it they lost a chance at redemption. Not too late, though. Nobody has to
remain a Jew. There's still chance for absolution of the persons, although
not the word.


#648 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 2 13:10:41 2014:

"Gene therapy for Jewish Princesses" would have been a good album title 
for Frank Zappa. 

>Nobody has to remain a Jew

No one has to remain a [insert title/label]. Right. 

Tell a horse or a Frenchman to stop being what they are. Even if you 
want to break down the "what it is to be a Jew" again, you can't 
separate yourself from your DNA or your upbringing. I was raised 
Catholic without believing or later practicing. Am I still a Catholic? 
There are things embedded in my brain pan that can not be sifted out. 


#649 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 2 13:25:08 2014:

Anyone care to wargame this mess?

NATO Weighs Rapid Response Force for Eastern Europe

WASHINGTON   As Ukrainian leaders warned on Monday of  a great war  
with Russia, NATO leaders meeting in Wales this week were expected 
to endorse their most concrete response yet to increased Russian 
military intervention in Ukraine: establishing a rapid-reaction 
force capable of deploying quickly to Eastern Europe, officials of 
the alliance said.

The new force of some 4,000 troops, capable of moving on 48 hours  
notice, will be supported with logistics and equipment pre-
positioned in Eastern European countries closer to Russia, with an 
upgraded schedule of military exercises and deployments that are 
intended to make NATO s commitment of collective defense more 
credible and enhance its deterrence.
...
http://tinyurl.com/or9oqvt


#650 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 2 13:28:01 2014:

Official FBI propeganda: 

Listen to the radio and you might run across a segment that sounds 
something like a news report. A newsy music introduction plays as 
woman s officious-sounding voice begins narrating a story. In a 
stilted delivery that appears to mimic that of a news anchor, the 
woman states,  In a move demonstrating the FBI s valuable role of 
protecting national security, Director James Comey creates a 
separate Intelligence Branch  

It turns out this isn t a news report at all. And the  news anchor  
is actually a public affairs specialist.

http://tinyurl.com/kcu98wr


#651 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 2 14:09:23 2014:

Re #648:

> No one has to remain a [insert title/label]. Right. 

Nah, not that simple. Black skin will be black skin. Complexion is there to
stay. And a man with a handsome face will retain that face, too, and benefit
from it. Genotype, epigenetic history, lived experience, and any persistent
effects of those cannot be washed away or get ridden of.

Judaism, on the other hand, is a fundamentally chauvinist belief system; and
the term 'secular Jew' is just a mockery of reason. I wouldn't disturb anyone
who wished to identify by clade (genetic heritage) or by nationality (world
order), though. Clade is a much more limited notion than the discredited
concept of race. It's also quite hard to determine and inherently complicated.
I won't hide that I enjoy seeing mongrels of various sorts getting their pants
in twists over proving their "purity."

You can be happy that quite a few kids can still show their papa in the crowd.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Am I still a Catholic? There are things embedded in my brain pan that
> can not be sifted out.

What's your answer to "are you a Catholic?"

Here's the answer I think you have given so far (paraphrasing): "I was raised
in a Catholic family so I have a close understanding of Catholic tenets and
can contrast them with what I learnt later in life. All for my betterment.
I do not unquestioningly believe in those tenets nor do I obsessively
attribute my achievements in life to either my ancestry or their beliefs."
That's what I think Asimov likewise said of the extent of his Jewish
character.

You'd think all the talk of "Western" values would've had Jews contrast it
against their wont tribalism, but no, had to use modern institutions to feed
the same old cultural habits: nepotism, jingoism, and slaughter in the Levant
and beyond. Worse yet, they poisoned the fountainhead of American thought.
Pick any of the ideas key to American identity--individualism; entrepreneurial
spirit; freedom of thought, speech, association, and enterprise--and I'll show
a bunch of Jews benefitting from turning the idea on its head. That's really
too much wrongdoing from such a tiny bunch, in service of such a petty cause.

That's not to say Mozzies' Hawala Bank wasn't riding the back of the same
ideas and perverting them.


#652 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 2 14:39:08 2014:

>Here's the answer I think you have given so far

That's about it. 

>I'll show a bunch of Jews benefitting from turning the idea on its 
head.

Well, the way I see it is that there are all kinds of people turning 
those ideas on their head. It causes disruptions in my life sure but in 
the long term, those values will still be held on to by the majority. 


#653 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 2 14:51:03 2014:

3 Columbus churches vandalized with graffiti overnight

COLUMBUS, Ind. - Columbus Police said they've never had anything 
like it - three churches vandalized in the same night.

Someone spray painted them on the outside. It's the words used, 
though, that have some people asking if this was more than a prank.

 It was just one word. It said  Infidels!'  Father Doug Marcotte 
said of what was spray painted on Saint Bartholomew's Catholic 
Church in Columbus overnight Saturday.

Parishioners saw that, along with the word "Qur'an 3:151" on their 
way into mass Sunday morning.

 It's certainly not a warm and fuzzy verse. It talks about the 
infidels, their refuge being the fire,  explained Father Marcotte.

Specifically, that passage of the Qur'an reads: "We will cast terror 
into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have 
associated with Allah of which He had not sent down [any] authority. 
And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of 
the wrongdoers." 
http://tinyurl.com/kmpjcsc
----------------------------------
a. State Department incitement
b. Simple prank by bored teenagers
c. Actual sign of Islamic State uprising
d. None of the above


#654 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 2 15:14:20 2014:

Re #652:

> Well, the way I see it is that there are all kinds of people turning
> those ideas on their head. It causes disruptions in my life sure but in
> the long term, those values will still be held on to by the majority. 

Sure thing. Evaluation of how serious the issue is and what its effects are
depends entirely on who and where you are. Your evaluation suits your
circumstances and that's just fine. Dance, sing, and make merry with your Jew
friends ;-)

Mine suits my circumstances, too.


#655 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 2 15:47:36 2014:

Re #653:

The Qur'an has a documented history. That verse is from aal-i-Imran sura
(chapter). Aal-i-Imran means 'the House of Imran.' Imran being Amram, the name
of Mary's father per Qur'an as well as the name of Moses' father. (Not the
same Amram... hopefully.)

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Imran
+
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imran_(father_of_Maryam)#In_Islam

The specific verse is verse 151. Verses 150 to 152 are associated with this:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Uhud#Muslim_reaction

It's about a military defeat of early Arab Muslims against an invasion of what
was their only city at the time (Medina) by polytheist Arabs of Mecca and
being saved, presumably by god, in the nick of time from total defeat and
slaughter. The common interpretation of verse 151 says the invading and
victorious army changed their mind about returning for a decisive defeat of
Muslims because god caused them an irrational fear. (Likely Muhammad lifting
morale after an obvious Muslim defeat.)

That'd be the last thing someone who's read the Qur'an would quote to threaten
anyone. Least of all to threaten Christians, because the same sura contains
conciliatory addresses to Jews and Christians as 'People of the Book.'


#656 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 2 22:57:59 2014:

> No American Arms for Lebanon until Civil Rights for Palestinians
> Friday, 29 August 2014 12:45
> 
> By Franklin Lamb

-- http://mwcnews.net/focus/politics/45571-no-american-arms-for-lebanon.htm
l

Exceptionally lucid.


#657 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Sep 3 00:20:37 2014:

> Friends of Israel
> 
> The lobbying group AIPAC has consistently fought the Obama
> Administration on policy. Is it now losing influence?
> 
> BY CONNIE BRUCK

-- http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/09/01/friends-israel

Of course not. The Jew cocksucker always makes a comeback, and he won't be
deterred without biting the Anglo cock off.


#658 of 1674 by tod on Wed Sep 3 03:31:25 2014:

re #644
It doesn't mention Kazakhstan nor Calgary. ;)


#659 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Sep 3 06:52:23 2014:

Re #658:

It maps the movements within the EU. The subtext likely is that easy movement
across these countries has not facilitated symmetric betterment of life in
all of them, rather encouraged further impoverishment of the already poor
ones.

Will you feel smug once in the absence of brains another Arrow Cross rises?


#660 of 1674 by tod on Wed Sep 3 13:49:02 2014:

re #659
Am I feeling smug?  The Putin Nazis are already at the doorstep.  Btw,
for me its Iron Guard but I get your drift.


#661 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Sep 3 14:43:27 2014:

Re #660:

Sounded like that. Mentioned Arrow Cross because of former Teller talk.


#662 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Sep 3 14:47:40 2014:

Obama is going to "organize" the Arab world. 
---------------------
 What we ve got to do is make sure that we are organizing the Arab 
world, the Middle East, the Muslim world along with the 
international community to isolate this cancer,  he said.
Obama added that the  particular brand  of extremism was  first and 
foremost destructive to the Muslim world,  by killing innocent 
citizens and damaging their economies.
 They are falling behind because of this very small and narrow, but 
very dangerous segment of the population and we ve got to combat it 
in a sustained effective way, and I m confident that we re going to 
do that,  he said.

http://tinyurl.com/lyb75bz


#663 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Sep 3 17:55:35 2014:

PNSR.


#664 of 1674 by tod on Fri Sep 5 03:33:59 2014:

ISIS is threatening Putin.  Tell me it's an inside job, LOL


#665 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Sep 5 07:35:45 2014:

Well, apparently Pacepa turned it on its head. So you have what's documented
against Charlie Wilson versus Pacepa's delusions... or 'Disinformation' :-P
Someone should write something on defector and expat psychologies; and their
interaction with the confirmation biases of hosts. Consider how Victor
Ostrovsky was delegimitized--to use the term out of Izzy's playbook--while
Pacepa was lauded. Likewise, Poblete got to derail American foreign policy
for over two decades, and still hasn't run out of steam.

Some interesting highlights on that here:

-- http://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-eternal-collapse-russia-11126

All that said, what's your personal opinion on Pacepa's stories?


#666 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Sep 5 11:25:53 2014:

I got 666!

I'm convinced that the open border will be used as an "oops" excuse 
for the next planned 911-style attack. I'm also afraid that the shoe 
will then drop and the round-ups will begin. The bullets, automatic 
weapons and military gear on Main Street were ordered for a reason. 

Parallel construction from Stasi 2014:
MYSTERIOUS RISE OF FAKE MOBILE PHONE TOWERS
http://tinyurl.com/krth2pz

A group of security-conscious Americans have revealed a nationwide 
network of "fake" cell phone towers of unknown origin which can 
intercept calls, texts, and even remotely control unprotected 
phones.
When interviewed by The Popular Science Monthly Les Goldsmith, the 
CEO of ESD America and manufacturer of hi-spec encrypted smartphones 
aimed at businessmen who regularly visit cyber-crime hotspots Russia 
and China, revealed some surprising findings reported by his 
customers. It appears a network of interceptor stations exist across 
America.
The custom Operating System (OS) of the company's phones eliminates 
hundreds of security flaws in the  standard  Android OS, and 
automatically warns users when their phones are targeted by  rogue  
base stations. By collating reports from secure phone users, at 
least seventeen of these mystery towers were identified in the 
United States, spread fairly evenly across the country.
Speaking to Popular Science he said: "One of our customers took a 
road trip from Florida to North Carolina and he found 8 different 
interceptors on that trip. We even found one at South Point Casino 
in Las Vegas".
---------------------------
PS It's no mystery to me that apps like Facebook Messenger already 
have this ability and people consent to them. Who are the real bad 
guys? 


#667 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Sep 5 11:27:30 2014:

Er, my edumacation is showing. That's supposed to be 'delegitimized.'


#668 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Sep 5 11:33:26 2014:

In the darkness, one ring was formed. One ring to bring us in the 
darkness and control us. 

The ring is a Jew! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 
Dark wizards with hook noses controlling humanity with a new world 
order! I am Arab, here me roar! *slaps own ass while smiling*


#669 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Sep 5 11:45:26 2014:

Cool.


#670 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Sep 5 13:55:43 2014:

> The price of an education for Afghan refugees in Iran
>
> Families brave xenophobia and economic woes to give their children the
> chance of a better future
> 
> [...]
> 
> Isa, whose four grown daughters and son still live with him in Ghazvin,
> has learned to avoid such mistakes. He is old enough to recall a time
> when Afghan refugees enjoyed the same welfare and benefits as needy
> Iranian citizens, and has struggled to adjust to the constantly evolving
> laws that restricted those privileges as his compatriots began flooding
> into the country by the hundred thousands, becoming the largest urban
> refugee population in the world.
> 
> As the cash-strapped Iranian government struggles to accommodate the
> estimated 3 million Afghan refugees living in the country, the smallest
> infraction is enough to get even documented immigrants deported. One
> year ago, Iran began implementing a plan to repatriate some 2.5 million
> Afghans by 2015. The strategy contradicts the current trend of Afghan
> migration, which has been rising steadily as renewed violence near the
> Durand Line displace civilians and Natos imminent withdrawal from
> Afghanistan heighten political and economic uncertainty.
> 
> [...]

--
http://www.theguardian.com/world/iran-blog/2014/sep/05/iranthe-afghanistan-
ref
ugees

Of course they'd be poor. Jew scum is eating their lot and engorging himself
on blood. Dance to his tune, shabbos goys.

(My first personal encounter with abject poverty was when I was 5 and saw this
Afghan kid eating the remains of food off a cheap diner's plates. I was out
with my mother for a once-a-year feast of buying a pair of shoes, but comapred
to that kid I was king. Mother made sure I knew why the kid was eating that.)


#671 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Sep 5 13:59:54 2014:

Look at this Jew whore:

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbIX1CP9qr4


#672 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Sep 5 14:53:56 2014:

#671 If she's a whore I'd hate to see her Johns! I disagree with her on 
many fronts but "Jew Whore" is not something that would ever come to 
mind for me. I probably wouldn't even stoop to "crazy bitch." Liberal 
wacko is about right.


#673 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Sep 5 15:25:18 2014:

Re #672:

It's a Jew and a whore. A Jew whore. Her Johns, you said?

--
http://www.mygen.com/images/global07-KissingerBrzezinskMadeleineAlbright.jp
g


#674 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Sep 5 16:46:33 2014:

Scary crowd.


#675 of 1674 by tod on Fri Sep 5 23:37:55 2014:

re #665
 All that said, what's your personal opinion on Pacepa's stories?

LtGen Pacepa's stories mesh with others whom I knew/know personally from
Ceaucescu's inner circle.   If you're talking about his knowledge
of zheleznaya yavka, he's an authority like none other.  I don't know
anyone who "liked" Pacepa nor considers him anything but a traitor - but
so few would discredit his stories considering his '68-78 record and
locales.  


#676 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Sep 6 00:06:34 2014:

Re #551:

What about his stories that all Muslims are fooled by the KGB about American
malfeasances on their lands and elsewhere?

Essentially, "it's all a KGB plot."


#677 of 1674 by tod on Sat Sep 6 00:47:29 2014:

re #678
That's up to interpretation.  "Fooled" and "convinced" 
Turn on FOX news any day of the week in USA and hear "Holy War" from
the hysterical puppets.  These idiots think Muslim, Arab, and anything
of cloth wrapped on the head indicates "one of them"


#678 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Sep 6 09:13:34 2014:

Re #677:

Pacepa hasn't left it open to any interpretation. He has claimed American
behavior immaculate and all Muslims (and non-Muslims of MENA and, mind you,
the rest of the world) delusional. He has claimed all these people are taken
in by a vast KGB disinformation campaign without a matter of truth.

That's a very common strain of thought, too. We've had Danny boy here spew
it. "Bellstar blames it all on the US and Jews." And I've seen you run it,
too. Disparaging what you call a belief in a "Jew Boogeyman." When it isn't
'KGB disinformation' it's 'psychological projection' or 'sour grapes' or any
one of a long list of things that try to discount clear-as-day evidence and
reflect back the accusations on the accusers.

This isn't unique to American understanding of the MENA response either. The
National Interest article on #665 explains the same pathology in understanding
the Russian response. Meanwhile, NI articles on Chinese behavior themselves
commonly have the disease.


#679 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Sep 6 12:47:42 2014:

#677 a casual work friend introduced me to a michigan militia splinter
group  member. They were inviting me to go shooting! All I could think
of is a CIA  infiltrator putting bomb guts in my hatchback while I'm
inside the range. No  thanks! They guys with towels aren't "them". We
call then electrical  engineers! 


#680 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Sep 6 12:54:31 2014:

678 lump me in with the accusers who say it is all about Jew boogeyman
and  Americans for you because it usually is 

Is this what you see at night?
http://tinyurl.com/porewfy


#681 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Sep 6 15:50:57 2014:

Re #680:

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsAydylM_g4


#682 of 1674 by tod on Sat Sep 6 16:58:57 2014:

re #678
 Pacepa hasn't left it open to any interpretation. He has claimed American
 behavior immaculate and all Muslims (and non-Muslims of MENA and, mind you,
 the rest of the world) delusional.

In a manner of speaking...


#683 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Sep 6 17:14:17 2014:

> If there's no US military solution, why the military actions?
> 
> By Phyllis Bennis

-- http://is.gd/G4CNtm
-- (redirects to TheHill.com)

+

-- http://jewishlight.tumblr.com/

Note who the author is. Phyllis Bennis. "Born" Jew. Righteous.

Unusual of The Hill to publish a piece like that. Did they slip or is it a
chance for throwing tomatoes at Obama?

P.S. Yes, tod. Socialists! Commies! Evil! Boo! (Going by the Chomsky
association must be closer to anarcho-syndicalism.)


#684 of 1674 by tod on Sat Sep 6 20:51:54 2014:

Your Kantian universalism doesn't work if you insist Jews are 
your intellectual superior every time you see an article or see a 
video which screams human rights at counter terrorism.


#685 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Sep 6 21:34:12 2014:

Re #684:

Uh, superior? No. Just catching up. Dissociating from the cult, getting on
par. Why not welcome any individual awakening? Reward the good, forgive the
repentant, cull the wicked. I am a just god.

That aside, she isn't screaming human rights. Rather writing about
effectiveness and consistency. From a pure American interests point of view
she is already way ahead of the paid-for delusions peddled by, say, AEI.


#686 of 1674 by tod on Sat Sep 6 23:47:26 2014:

Or say ADGAS...


#687 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Sep 7 08:25:19 2014:

Is that relevant?


#688 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 8 17:43:45 2014:

> Iran banks pressed to retreat from asset speculation

-- http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/850141de-3417-11e4-b81c-00144feabdc0.html

So, 'too big to fail' doesn't apply in Iran? No austerity for Joe Smith while
Shlomo Feingold licks his fingers? Or, is there something else at play?

(I was loathe to use the name Feingold in a nasty way. Russ Feingold was
probably one of the most proper US senators. Then I just couldn't resist. When
the time comes one can hope he'll be there to kick the ovaries out of
Shillary.)


#689 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Sep 8 18:09:21 2014:

Speaking of the EU and austerity, when will there be a Middle Eastern 
Union? Will Saudi Arabia be the superpower that holds the strings?
Will there be solidarity? A common currency? Globalism fixes 
everything.


#690 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 8 18:30:35 2014:

It's Turfan to Tangiers. What do you think all these wars are about?
Pistachios?

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtiR35EOm7A

Either the Imperial sovereign picks the right suzerain or--"by Allah!"--this
fetus will end up in a back-alley dumpster *cackle*


#691 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Sep 8 18:49:55 2014:

Where's slynne when the back-alley girl scouts get their Obamacare 
scraping?

IMO the wars are about destabilization. It never occurred to me that a 
middle eastern union was the end game. My thought was more of the same. 
Regime change where the new puppets are Exxon-friendly. 


#692 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 8 18:56:20 2014:

There's much more than oil to it. The world is an increasingly tight place.
Exxon will be a quaint memory in 50 years. That stretch of land, on the other
hand, is there to stay. Also, Middle East is a misnomer for that.


#693 of 1674 by cross on Tue Sep 9 02:40:11 2014:

Boss Hogg and the fried chicken.


#694 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 9 11:30:26 2014:

#692 
>that stretch of land, on the other hand, is there to stay.

What else does the Middle east have to offer other than luxury foods 
and oil? Labor? I haven't seen it to any significant extent though I 
think labor would be a great way to bolster the economy for "the 
little people." Decades of western manipulation will spill over into 
the future I'm afraid. 

>Exxon will be a quaint memory in 50 years.

Oil is always going to be a must have commodity. Even if the world 
had moved completely to alternative fuel sources, oil is needed in 
manufacturing processes and building materials. Almost everything 
around us made from/of/with oil. There's no getting around it.


#695 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 9 11:37:22 2014:

Re #694:

What does Ukraine have to offer?


#696 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 9 11:54:01 2014:

#695 Ukraine actually has a lot of trading potential:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Ukraine

GDP per capita is very low $7,400 however (US has $54,980, Iran has 
$7,207). 

PS Inflation in Iran is 15%?! WOW

"The official poverty line in Tehran for the year ending March 20, 
2008, was $9,612, while the national average poverty line was 
$4,932."

I would love to know what the cost of living is (relative to the 
average income) in Iran.


#697 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 9 13:07:35 2014:

According to this article, Facebook is worth as much as the annual GDP 
of the Ukraine: 

http://tinyurl.com/k3mch7p

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-08/facebook-s-value-tops-200-
billion-on-mobile-ad-optimism.html


#698 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 9 13:12:28 2014:

Re #696:

Trade what for what with Ukraine? Offer what to whom? Who offers Ukraine what
in return?

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Iranian inflation is much higher than 15%. Dollar numbers don't make sense
for Iran, though, because IRR is not freely exchanged with USD. All
significant sources of USD are state-controlled and fiscal policy determines
USD-IRR exchange rate. Iran is a financial island and that's one of the
reasons Uncle hates it. I usually find it amusing when dime-a-dozen Jew bags
run the 'Iran is isolated' line. In their eyes it is because they see only
the Jew capital, which is their creed. Ca. 2 million visitors a year is not
considered of note.

Re. cost of living: Iranians in general are poor but not piss poor.

'Statistical Centre of Iran' gives these figures for last Iranian year. (It's
six months into the new one now.)

Average cost of living (urban, annual): 206,034,000 IRR
Average income (urban, annual, self-reported): 204,410,000 IRR

Average cost of living (rural, annual): 129,610,000 IRR
Average income (rural, annual, self-reported): 120,955,000 IRR

Gini index (urban): 0.3513
Gini index (rural): 0.3243
Gini index (total): 0.3650

The extra zeroes are a bother. A redenomination with four zeroes slashed has
long been due but the state appears to be concerned about its psychological
effect.


#699 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 9 13:14:59 2014:

Re #697:

With a key difference: Facebook's "value" can evaporate within a week. Ukraine
(the land) will be around long after the United States (the state) is gone.


#700 of 1674 by tod on Tue Sep 9 13:25:57 2014:

re #698
 Trade what for what with Ukraine?

Metals and automatic rifles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Ukraine

Iran's major exports are rice, pistaccios, and healthcare workers.


#701 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 9 13:27:30 2014:

#699 Right. That is why the valuation is absurd. I will think back to 
this day sometime in the near future when all the money goes *poof*. 
Joe Smith, investor has placed his earnings in the care of shysters.

#698 Trade. Agricultural equipment & wares (seeds, tractors, etc.), 
automobiles, electronics, weapons, software, etc.
http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/data/

 


#702 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 9 13:33:43 2014:

Re #700:

So there's a war in Ukraine over metals and automatic rifles?

Explain this to walkman.


#703 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 9 13:48:30 2014:

Re #701:

Tod's been asleep for about four decades ;-)

Certain birds have flown and the South is booming. The key space for hard
growth will be in the South. The North will need to make-do with soft growth.

Ukraine and cars:

-- http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2011-10/19/content_13935807.htm

> Now, Ukraine's automobile manufacturers make between 100-200 thousand
> vehicles per year.

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_Ukraine

> Iran developed a significant automotive industry with annual production
> of up to 200 thousand units under the Shah's regime. But after the
> Islamic revolution of 1979 production drastically decreased. Since the
> early 2000, automobile production in Iran has grown exponentially.
> Iran's automobile production crossed the 1 million mark in 2007/2008.
> Today, Iran is the 18th largest automaker in the world and one of the
> largest in Asia, with annual production of more than 1.6 million.

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_in_Iran


#704 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 9 14:06:41 2014:

ISRAEL POLICE BUST 'MESSIANIC' SEX TRADE RING
http://tinyurl.com/mq5wxz3

Police say they arrested a group of eight "messianic" men and women 
who targeted vulnerable women and "prostituted them under the 
influence of drugs and alcohol." 

They told them that having sex specifically with non-Jews would 
"save the Jewish people and bring about redemption."

Superintendent Arik Mordechai, who is heading the investigation, 
told Haaretz newspaper that some 15 women had been recruited, some 
of whom were believed to be minors. 

Their "clients" included Palestinians from the West Bank and foreign 
workers from Tel Aviv, the newspaper said. 


#705 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 9 14:10:26 2014:

#702 "So there's a war in Ukraine over metals and automatic rifles?"

War and trade. Apples and Orangutans. 


#706 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 9 14:16:37 2014:

#703 Those cars are very innovative looking. *hearty laugh*
(I work in automotive and my degree is in automotive design.)

If I were to copy a car, I'd go with the KIA/Hyundai method. Copy 
category killers. Those cars look like 1996. I wonder if they have good 
quality mechanically speaking. The Chinese did the same thing with 
scooters. They copied a Honda Scooter from 1989 and they still look 
like a (very bad) copy of the 89 Honda. Why not copy the 2013 model? 
Like the tootsie pop drop and how many licks, the world will never 
know.

Do you drive a car or motorcycle?


#707 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 9 14:28:01 2014:

1999 Paykan
http://tinyurl.com/q6g2veb

1962 Datsun
http://www.earlydatsun.com/Skylines50.jpg.jpg

Yeah, I'm a dick. Please to meet you.


#708 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 9 14:42:07 2014:

Re #704:

Poor critters.

Nonetheless, Breitbart reporting is crap. It doesn't even maintain the same
story within two consecutive paragraphs. Worse, referencing Lehava in Israel
is like referencing Haq'qanis in Pakistan.


#709 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 9 15:03:26 2014:

Re #705:

Missing the point. If Ukraine were important only for metals and automatic
rifles why would there be a war over it? Buying the metals cheap off hungry
Ukrainians and paying Westerners to produce the rifles sounds like a better
busiess plan, no?

Also, one of main motivations of any war is to acquire what would cost more
to get in equitable trade.

> Afghanistan and Caspian Sea Oil

-- http://is.gd/5uFcLL
-- (redirects to some class material, Stanford.edu)
+
-- http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_nwo81.htm
+
-- http://www.oilcompanies.net/oil1.htm


#710 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 9 15:47:10 2014:

Re #706:

Those cars have buyers; now buyers outside Iran, too. That's what matters.
They aren't copied the Chinese way. They're built on tech-transferred Peugeot
platforms on the understanding that the next generation of those platforms
would come from local knowledge. IKCO started its deals with European and East
Asian manufacturers by CKD assembly in early 1990s and boosted its revenue
through a legal oligopoly--between IKCO and a few other car makers operating
on the same model--in Iranian market. Essentially, a major capital leak from
Iranian consumerism was pooled back in via heavily jacked-up prices of
automotive products and reinvested into buying and mastering industrial
fundamentals. This allowed IKCO to diversify into other sectors; e.g., TAM
IKCO that provides automation, construction, and engineering services.

The conglomerate business model is rather close to, but nowhere as efficient
as, Norinco.

Nope, I don't have any motor vehicle. It's an unnecessary cost here in Tehran.
(Which people apparently don't do the maths about. They'd rather own cars than
use public transport and take taxis. As it is with all costs of ownership
considered even taking taxis the entire time ends up being cheaper. Not
applicable in the US, of course.)


#711 of 1674 by tod on Wed Sep 10 03:11:29 2014:

Me htinks thou do protest too much (re: auto)

Let's say for grins and giggles the "war" in Ukraine is simply a civil war.
The Russki lovers of the east side of that country don't want anything
to do with USA related "unions"
A war about governance and who butters their bread.


#712 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Sep 10 04:32:12 2014:

Re #711:

Keep thinking.

So, now you scare-quote war and it's not quite a war. What's changed since
your 'Putin Nazis' comment? Would you also say American Jew-rags are lying
through their teeth in framing it as a war out and out between a bellicose
Russia and a "proudly independent" Ukraine?

Returning to the question on #695, its purpose was to turn walkman's attention
to the fact that land has value (and potential) in and of itself. More so if
it's favorably situated. I was hoping you would provide that commentary which
you didn't.

It's a common mistake among Americans--usually projecting own jingoism--to
confuse a mention of, say, the geostrategic value of Iran (the land) with a
sort of national pride, at which point I get ramblings about how Honey Boo
Boo will be riding spaceships next week carrying with her the star-spangled
banner to Uranus.


#713 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Sep 10 11:33:11 2014:

#712 "at which point I get ramblings about how Honey Boo
Boo will be riding spaceships next week carrying with her the star-
spangled banner to Uranus."

You mentioned something about jingoism? It's unclear how I spotted 
it due to the fact that I'm a nationalist, overweight idiot American 
who watches other idiot rednecks on television. 

Land has value to other countries that need to expand out of 
necessity. America is still big and open with low population density 
(density per sq mi=84). No one here is pining for land in the 
Ukraine or Iran. The EU is a can of sardines with less wiggling 
room. North America is also resource rich. 
"He's just not that into you." 


#714 of 1674 by tod on Wed Sep 10 14:00:53 2014:

re #712
 What's changed since
 your 'Putin Nazis' comment? 

Nothing has changed.  "Let's say for grins and giggles" must've went
over your head.  Of COURSE Ivan is supplying the arms against Kiev.  How
many paratrooper captures does that take to be obvious?


#715 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Sep 10 14:13:43 2014:

Re #713:

Did you take a peek at the stuff on #709?

A summary: The US is as well-off as it is because it controls far more than
what's within its own borders. Stories about how magical "smart" devices and
porn-delivery technology are indicative of change in the fundamentals of this
equation are just tall tales. To indefinitely maintain its primacy the US
needs to maintain the control and keep challengers for the same position down.
Intersociety dynamics is essentially a negative-sum game in which in total
far more resources are depleted than necessary, so that otherwise untenable
gradients are sustained.

For example, your blood is no bluer than a Chinese man of similar natural
endowments in terms of intellect and bodily endurance. Just like him you're
an insignificant, ephemeral primate walking the face of the Earth. However,
your efforts are on average paying off double, triple, and even more times
than what his identical or even higher efforts are. There is no natural
foundation for this gradient. It is a matter of historical circumstances. A
range of fortunate flukes and a small number of possibly good decisions in
remote past keep paying off. Of course he isn't stupid. He sees this, he looks
up history, and he tries to replicate your favorable circumstances. If not
for him, then for his progeny. If he succeeds he will be a rival for you on
equal or superior footing in partaking of the fast dwindling natural resources
of the planet. You, of course, do not want this. So, for you to retain the
gradient you will need not only to make any efforts you would regularly make
but also to keep him from attaining the same as you have. In doing so you have
coercion and deception as your means. Both of these cost those same resources
you're competing over far more than if you and the Chinese man could've agreed
on arrangements that were perceived by both parties as equitable. Neither of
you will; at present, much more so you than he.

Iran, Ukraine, and indeed the entire planet comprise a playing field for that
negative-sum game.

Is this new? Not at all. It's the long-known and played game of Empire. Many
others have played it before and it has an endless succession of contenders.
Only the playing field has come to encompass the globe; the players more
organized and ruthless; and the relative magnitude of wins and losses
significantly larger.

Homo sapiens is a vicious bastard and harmony--within or without the
conventional boundaries of a society--is nowhere on the horizon so the only
hindrance to this game being played indefinitely is finiteness of the Earth
and its resources. On a finite playing field distant adversarial foreigners
eventually become neighbors with grudges. If Honey Boo Boo on her spaceship
comes to pass it can and will scale out and scale up to all the vastness of
the outer space, too. You can hang your hopes for your progeny's fortunes on
that; or on unique inventions like those selective pathogens you dream of.


#716 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Sep 10 14:17:38 2014:

Re #714:

Just holding you to the same standards of idiocy that you hold me to. We're
back to reactive vs. proactive Russia. What's the relevance of Ukraine and
why is there a war over it where one party to the war is operating from tens
of thousands of kilometers away? Are you a 'White House Nazi?'

Explain that for walkman's edification.


#717 of 1674 by cross on Wed Sep 10 14:20:53 2014:

Bellstar thinks he's the smartest guy in the room.
In. Every. Room.

It's not clever; it's tedious.


#718 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Sep 10 15:23:30 2014:

Not sure where you get that idea. Good for you, anyhow.

Do you wish to add something or point out some falsehood?


#719 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Sep 10 16:03:53 2014:

#717 He's just jealous that he can't afford the new Apple smart watch. 
Entitled Americans however...we just use our complex system of natural 
resource rape. Some poor bastard in Mozambique will have to burn up a 
rain forest to make up for mine. 


#720 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Sep 10 18:55:28 2014:

Re #719:

You have a way with words :-)


#721 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Sep 10 22:20:56 2014:

> Has Pro-Christian Conference Been Hijacked by Pro-Iran/Hezbollah
> Dhimmis?

-- http://is.gd/4ap5hE
-- (redirects to Algemeiner)

Scum of the Earth coming together, Jew-rag reports. Yummy!


#722 of 1674 by tod on Thu Sep 11 00:12:57 2014:

re #716
 Just holding you to the same standards of idiocy that you hold me to. We're
 back to reactive vs. proactive Russia. What's the relevance of Ukraine and
 why is there a war over it where one party to the war is operating from tens
 of thousands of kilometers away? Are you a 'White House Nazi?'

My son's g-dmother is Ukrainian.  She went to grad school in Moscow.
My interests are personal ones.  Transdiniestra and Moldova - same
there, too.  Nazi?  No, I know how Ivan fucks its satellites.  Are
the prospects good in the job market for natural gas geologists in
and from Ukraine?  Oh, let us count the ways.
What's in it for Uncle Sam?  That answer is OBVIOUS to anyone who
stood on the border of Germany during the cold war staring at Ivan 
in the CSSR.


#723 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Sep 11 02:28:29 2014:

Re #722:

Speaking of satellites and who does what to whom:

-- http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/47717194-4b80-11e2-88b5-00144feab49a.html

or

-- http://blackagendareport.com/node/14369

or 

-- http://politicus.afrikblog.com/archives/2012/12/13/25902782.html
+
-- http://is.gd/jav3XG
-- (Blaise Compaore, FYI)
+
-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bSLWbweGiU

I don't see how these predatory behaviors differ. Stale dislike of the Soviets
is having you sidetracked. I get that 'personal interests' angle, though. Go
have your Chechen-blood borscht.

Did I mention AFRICOM in CAR?


#724 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Sep 11 02:41:32 2014:

After Obama's new war speech tonight (on the eve of 911 no less) no one
in  the West is going to care much about Ukraine. We are being
distracted by  fear of Ebola and brown guys in black jumpsuits with
swords.

Remember Ninja Gaiden on NES? See how I get sidetracked sometimes?


#725 of 1674 by tod on Thu Sep 11 04:34:58 2014:

What do you call an upside down comb?

A canoe full of Somalians

Yea, the oil devils are always propping up tyranny and starving the
natives.  Before oil it was spices.


#726 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Sep 11 05:37:03 2014:

> There's much more than oil to it. The world is an increasingly tight
> place. Exxon will be a quaint memory in 50 years. That stretch of land,
> on the other hand, is there to stay. [...]

It's about control of anything and everything. The repetition of oil rhetoric
is a tired distration. Waggging your wind power dick--or built-by-elves
EarPods--won't hide your neodymium gonorrhea, dysprosium syphilis, or copper
rash.

Arable land is profit. Minerals are profit. Harvestable sources of freshwater
are profit. Every rock, tree, animal is profit. And all of it must be
regimented for margins to go to the "right" man.

Next, mine the Moon:

--
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Lunar_Thorium_concentrat
ion
s.jpg


#727 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Sep 11 11:14:44 2014:

Someone's a bitter Benny!


#728 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Sep 11 11:25:14 2014:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#U.S._ro
le

Proto-Arab Spring. I wonder if liberals in America raised their fist 
when Ajax was under way. Join the resistance as a matter of national 
pride!

"In 1951, Iran's oil industry was nationalized with near-unanimous 
support of Iran's parliament in a bill introduced by Mossadegh who 
led the nationalist party the National Front. In response, Britain 
instigated a worldwide boycott of Iranian oil to pressure Iran 
economically."

We wants it, we needs it. Must have the precious. They stole it from 
us. Sneaky little hobbitses. Wicked, tricksy, false! 


#729 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Sep 11 12:32:45 2014:

Re #728:

The parallel to Iranian 1953 coup is the Chilean 1974 coup. There wasn't any
measure of mass agitation. Only economic warfare and a few small mobs for
photo ops.

Actual coups are harder to pull these days so you get color "revolutions" and
"springs." Mind you, it's oversimplification to think all of these are fake.
The potential for such disturbances is there. There is always discontent and
in some places there's more.

Remove actual reasoning about the causes of discontent and possible cures.
Mix in perception management and agitprop. Recruit disenfranchised expats and
"dissidents." Get a soft "revolution." Democrazy, freedumb, trinkets, whores,
faggots, booze, veils, NOTORIOUS, BRUTAL, CRUEL, family--AHAHAHA!--of nations,
yap yap yap.

In the family of nations Uncle is that child molester in Santa costume. Why
didn't the US get a soft "revolution" during Bushco, though?

Oh, and in Egypt, before al-Sisi it was majoritarian. Despite your ignorant
seething Muslim Brotherhood has a solid and real majority backing in Egypt.


#730 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Sep 11 12:58:39 2014:

#729 "The potential for such disturbances is there. There is always 
discontent and in some places there's more."

The discontent is the leverage a successful coup is built on!

"Recruit disenfranchised expats and "dissidents." Get a soft 
"revolution." Democrazy, freedumb, trinkets, whores, faggots, booze, 
veils, NOTORIOUS, BRUTAL, CRUEL, family--AHAHAHA!--of nations, yap 
yap yap."

Don't forget the looting enticement and the hero status. "I was 
THERE, and I was arrested for my resistance!" The U.S. has hardened 
it's stance significantly when it comes to commerce disruption (aka 
protest). Militarized police with experimental weapons. But there's 
another way to keep the masses' asses in lounge chairs. Which leads 
to the next question...

"Why didn't the US get a soft "revolution" during Bushco, though?"

Great question! I would say bread and circus having been through it. 
Add in some lip-service about duty and honor too. Fantasy Football, 
shopping maul, Playstation, Starbucks, network TV sitcoms, news 
event distractions and some ice cream for everyone. No one is going 
to revolt on a full stomach and an evening of good laughs. In the 
60's there was pot and Hendrix. Today it's iPhones and Keruig K-
Cups. 

There are trends that one could observe that are a pre-cursor to a 
major event. Market movements (including consumer trends, supply 
disruptions and stock prices), protests, reactive government, 
employment data etc. The devil is always in the details but the big 
picture often looks similar.


#731 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Sep 11 14:40:26 2014:

D.C. Public Schools homework assignment asks 6th graders to compare 
Bush to Hitler
http://tinyurl.com/kdm3lo3

A D.C. public school gave a sixth grade class a homework assignment 
that required students to draw comparisons between former President 
George W. Bush and Adolf Hitler.

The assignment was given out this week at McKinley Tech Middle 
School in Northeast and has angered at least one parent who 
complained about the homework.
A copy of the assignment, made by the parent, instructs students to 
draw examples from two texts they were assigned and to fill in a 
Venn diagram with similarities and differences between the two men.

 Now that we have read about two men of power who abused their power 
in various ways, we will compare and contrast them and their 
actions. Please refer to your texts,  Fighting Hitler   A Holocaust 
Story  and  Bush: Iraq War Justified Despite No WMD  to compare and 
contrast former President George W. Bush and Hitler. We will use 
this in class tomorrow for an activity!  reads the text at the top 
of the assignment.


#732 of 1674 by cross on Thu Sep 11 15:08:06 2014:

That is not a priori a bad thing.  Comparisons can show differences as much
as similarities.


#733 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Sep 11 15:13:33 2014:

Well, GWB is a fair bag to punch but that punching, too, is distraction.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Re #730:

> No one is going to revolt on a full stomach and an evening of good laughs.

That is true. Reminds me why principled rule, based on any principles however
good, doesn't work: have to go for the belly and below; if you go for the head
just deliver quick dizzying punches.

---------------------------------------

> The devil is always in the details but the big picture often looks similar.

Fascinating and utterly true point.


#734 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Sep 11 17:12:20 2014:

Obama with horns revealed: 
http://tinyurl.com/o6bsprh

Islamic State jihadists planning encryption-protected 'cyber 
caliphate' so they can carry out hacking attacks on West
http://tinyurl.com/mqsuxbl

Islamic State militants are planning the creation of a 'cyber 
caliphate' protected by their own encryption software - from behind 
which they will launch massive hacking attacks on the U.S. and the 
West.
Both Islamic State and Al Qaeda claim to be actively recruiting 
skilled hackers in a bid to create a team of jihadist computer 
experts capable of causing devastating cyber disruptions to Western 
institutions.
They are now boasting it is only a matter of time before their plan 
becomes a reality
-----------------------------------------
And it will be only a matter of time before the State Department/NSA  
cracks their encryption and goes after them quietly. This is one 
area when I have actual confidence in our own security experts. 


#735 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Sep 11 17:28:45 2014:

DailyMail spouts nonsense. That article is just a string of words with no
meaning. Encryption is not some sort of wall from behind which you can
"launch" things. It's the bomb-bomb-bomb march again and as usual the populist
right are its cheerleaders. Useful idiots.

And make no mistake UKIP will use this nonsense to alienate even more
Pakistanis in the UK. What's only a matter of time is their getting their Holy
Grail of endemic "Asian" terrorism. "Strength through Purity, Purity through
Faith," it will be. The rats have replaced 'faith' with some vague "English
culture" vomit soup to be more upbeat for their chav audience--and less bogged
down by all that moralizing about their leather club scandals.


#736 of 1674 by cross on Thu Sep 11 19:46:37 2014:

"Charles don't you ever crave...to appear on the front of the Daily
Mail....dressed in your mother's bridal veil..."


#737 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Sep 12 11:21:05 2014:

Honestly, if ISIS or ISIL or Mr. Snuffleupagus is real it would be a 
good strategy to recruit hackers rather than cowardly untrained gunners 
with imam issues. 
They could get nameless, faceless anti-american brown/yellow people 
from across the globe to take down the great satan/coca cola god from 
on high. It would be far more damaging to the west to take down their 
banks, power grids and corporations through the internet than to kill a 
bunch of random reporters and coffee shop patrons.


#738 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Sep 12 12:11:45 2014:

What makes you think China isn't already doing that?

Or, others:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamoon
+
--
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-25/code-in-aramco-cyber-attack-indica
tes
-lone-perpetrator.html

Back to ISIS, any news of what weapons exactly they are using and the sources
of those? I recall "Proudly Made in Iran, Death to America, Shari'a in Pam
G.'s Panties" road bombs from years prior. No information on what's written
on the new stuff?


#739 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Sep 12 12:42:22 2014:

"Back to ISIS, any news of what weapons exactly they are using and the 
sources of those?"

I've been asking that question out loud myself. Crickets. In fact, any 
time I ask questions people are quick to point out what a sick bastard 
I am. What kind of monster would ask leading questions like that? 

"No information on what's written on the new stuff?"

If I had to guess I would say it says, "Colt Defense USA, M16A4; Made 
in USA." 


#740 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Sep 12 14:18:06 2014:

Two fine Britons from an enlightened future (NSFW):

-- http://is.gd/YTJX3z
-- (redirects to Daily Mail)


#741 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Sep 12 14:27:05 2014:

#740 What happened to:
"Daily Mail spouts nonsense. That article is just a string of words 
with no meaning?"


#742 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Sep 12 14:59:31 2014:

Re #741:

Mutatis mutandis.


#743 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Sep 12 22:49:44 2014:

A older "Mission Accomplished:"

-- http://www.peymanmeli.org/Images/hex6.jpg

The handwriting belongs to:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shapoor_Reporter


#744 of 1674 by tod on Sat Sep 13 03:51:50 2014:

The resource you are looking for has been removed, had its name changed, or
is temporarily unavailable.


#745 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Sep 13 05:17:33 2014:

LOL. Hell of a coincidence, no?

The Internet never forgets, though:

-- http://is.gd/l8a9iY


#746 of 1674 by tod on Sat Sep 13 13:03:00 2014:

https://tech.tavaana.org/sites/default/files/styles/590x336/public/service
/pho
to/11_82.jpg


#747 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Sep 13 13:29:40 2014:

Re #746:

You can guess what I would do to "citizen journalists" these days, can't you?


#748 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Sep 14 14:27:47 2014:

Tod, you were precocious or something. Rafizadeh somehow changed his slant
overnight :-/


#749 of 1674 by tod on Sun Sep 14 15:44:55 2014:

Perhaps the honeymoon with Rowhani is over?


#750 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Sep 14 16:15:58 2014:

Well, I'm talking about that one person. He's delisted from NIAC, too, so
that's a key point. Instead he is writing for "Arabists" (of the Fahd sort).
Kind of passe.


#751 of 1674 by tod on Sun Sep 14 20:51:12 2014:

He's like a character in Body of Lies.  I can't place the name.


#752 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Sep 14 21:54:27 2014:

Well, Ms. Farahani did pull a fast one on her nation. So there. That was out
of character, though.


#753 of 1674 by tod on Mon Sep 15 00:57:11 2014:

The mom though..great 


#754 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 15 01:39:38 2014:

I have no proficiency in that area.


#755 of 1674 by tod on Mon Sep 15 04:45:23 2014:

Conduct?


#756 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Sep 15 11:21:39 2014:

Here comes the Sunni / Here comes the Sunni, / and I say, It's all 
right / Little darling / It's been a long, cold lonely winter.
Little darling, it feels like years since it's been here.

*Shiite*
Gesundheit


#757 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Sep 15 12:15:54 2014:

The Clintons are back. 
http://tinyurl.com/kl8borb

"In a speech that was her most overtly political since she left the 
State Department last year, Mrs. Clinton repeatedly hinted at her 
intentions. She laced her remarks with all manner of pregnant 
references to the state that kicks off the presidential nominating 
process and veiled asides about her plans."

It's getting tired, isn't it?

 Hello, Iowa, I m back!  she exclaimed upon taking the microphone, 
stretching out the  a  in  back  as she smiled in front of hay 
bales, an American flag and a John Deere tractor.

Wow how original and unpredictable. She feels pain just like a real 
person and relates to you!


#758 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 15 13:17:03 2014:

Re #755:

That, too.


#759 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 15 13:24:34 2014:

> Iran Rejects Global Strategy Against Extremists

--
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/diplomatic-push-grows-islamic
-st
ate-group-25504441

Compare headline to contents of the article. Rejects. Was not invited. Warned
against. Countries at the table financed ISIS. America, the Liar, strikes
again.


#760 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 15 13:26:07 2014:

Re #756:

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4hFUBGYUvY


#761 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Sep 15 13:55:53 2014:

#759 Here is the key paragraph: "The killing of David Haines, a 
British aid worker held hostage by the militants, added urgency to 
the calls for a coherent strategy against the brutal and well-
organized Sunni group, which is a magnet for Muslim extremists from 
all over the world and rakes in more than $3 million a day from oil 
smuggling, human trafficking, theft and extortion, according to U.S. 
intelligence officials and private experts."
---------------------------------------------------
No mention of ongoing "donations" from Qatar, Saudi Arabia or Kuwait 
that have been made for several years.

How is America in this case the liar when the lying is being done by 
countries like Qatar that give material assistance to ISIS but then 
pledge to fight against them?


#762 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Sep 15 14:51:15 2014:

So much for the Libertarian hopeful:
http://tinyurl.com/ksp4lf9

I thought he might get smeared to death but it looks like he's undoing 
himself by abandoning his base and flip-flopping on just about 
everything. 


#763 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 15 15:00:35 2014:

Re #761:

Because the countries you named are client states of the US and it is the US
that's lying on their behalf. None of them has such a massive propaganda
apparatus as to instill the false notions into the minds of people. What's
more, it was the US that aided their ambitions from the beginning and did for
them what they could not have done on their own--for American gain, of course.
Right now it's also the US that's seeking to keep its claws in that rotting
corpse as it slips around.

> America's Imperial Responsibility
> 
> The United States stands proud, powerful, and confused on the cusp of
> the third millennium. This America--with its unmatched economic and
> military might, cultural clout, and widespread reputation for decency--is
> destined to be the prime mover in world politics for decades, if not
> centuries, to come. In significant respects, America has been shaped by
> the political and moral legacy of the two great civilizing empires: Pax
> Romana and Pax Britannica.
> 
> Contemporary America evokes widely different responses from peoples
> abroad. Some critics portray it as a materialistic, consumer-driven
> colossus seeking to aggrandize its wealth and power. Some determined
> anti-Americans assert that we not only exploit other peoples through
> transnational corporations but attempt--often successfully--to impose our
> tawdry materialistic culture on them. "We irritate the rest of the world
> with our incessant need to build McDonalds and Disneylands," said a New
> Yorker letter in this vein. Such criticism notwithstanding, the great
> majority of the world's people probably still regard America as the
> major force for peace and freedom in the world and a beacon of hope for
> humanity.
> 
> [...]

-- http://eppc.org/publications/americas-imperial-responsibility/

ROFL.

Do you think when Americans where masturbating to the plight of the pieces
of the Soviet empire, Jew scum were engorging themselves on "privatization,"
dime-a-dozen shills like Fukuyama laying the groundworks for decades of
delusion there were no slips of tongue? 

Here is one: Imperial responsibility. Uncle bought the shit-pie, now he has
to eat it. I wouldn't expect his name to go down history's slide in any better
status than Churchill's. A mass murderer Anglo-Jew storytellers tried to make
into a hero, and failed.


#764 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 15 15:34:59 2014:

Re #762:

His position on faggot "marriage" is actually sane. It isn't muddled at all.
The state has a share in law, in ethics, and in morality. In matters of law
it should legislate minimally; in ethics it should uphold contracts; and in
morality it should be meek. So, legally, outlawing faggot "marriage" is a
wrong move. Ethically, it's a contract like any. Morally, it's reprehensible
to some and acceptable to some. The state should not take a moral side and
that means the key area where state and morals meet, public education, should
be quiet on the matter. Neither promotion, nor rejection. That's a tenable
libertarian position

It's the liberal ass-up position of wanting to equate buttfucking to human
sex in public education that's problematic. And the other problem is drop-in
replacement of state for church where the state has started acting as if it
can or should officiate sacraments--or force religious groups to do so--rather
than record and uphold contracts.

Once healthy people stop looking up to the state to "bless" their marriage
with tax privileges quite a few things about the state's relationship to that
social institution can be fixed.


#765 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 15 15:46:27 2014:

More of America, the Liar:

> Iran won't team with U.S. against Islamic State

--
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/iran-wont-team-with-us-against-islamic-
sta
te/2014/09/15/92ea7648-3cd8-11e4-a430-b82a3e67b762_story.html

Three days ago:

> Kerry: Inappropriate for Iran to Join Talks on Fighting IS

--
http://www.voanews.com/content/kerry-says-it-is-not-appropriate-for-iran-to-jo
in-talks-on-fighting-islamic-state/2448507.html


#766 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Sep 15 16:40:43 2014:

#764 "Once healthy people stop looking up to the state to "bless" their 
marriage with tax privileges quite a few things about the state's 
relationship to that social institution can be fixed."

Yes! I agree that people should not look to the state for such matters. 
I'm not sure however that there are tax privileges that come with 
marriage. I believe they even go up a tad. What the homosexuals are 
after are health benefits and legal associations - like being able to 
visit a dying/injured partner in the hospital or co-parenting rights 
with adopted children. 


#767 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Sep 15 16:44:39 2014:

#764 One more thing: Rand is backing away from 911 truthers as well. 
Government played no role in 911.
It is smart to move toward the middle with the big-government 
Republicans but it's not a good move for the country. Maybe he's 
pulling an Obama and lying to get in and then will act 180 degrees 
different in office. We'll see if he gets that far.


#768 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Sep 15 16:47:51 2014:

Into Room 101 you go lad:
http://tinyurl.com/lhcx5hz


#769 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Sep 15 16:49:39 2014:

Mount a machine gun or two on this thing and replace armies:
http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2014/mit-cheetah-robot-runs-jumps-0915


#770 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Sep 15 17:16:39 2014:

"This work was supported by the Defense Advanced Research Projects 
Agency."


#771 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 15 17:39:18 2014:

> [...] like being able to visit a dying/injured partner in the hospital
> or co-parenting rights with adopted children. 

Not true. Contracts have already solved that. All ever needed was for one of
the vulture lawyers in service of faggots to draft legal templates for these
demands. Fill in the blanks and done. The only exception would've been
adoptions that are more complicated, for good reason.

The faggot agenda has been focusing on equating faggot "plight" to that of
enslaved niggers. The target is to have a public mores where saying
buttfucking is reprehensible is seen as identical to telling a nigger to move
to "back of the bus."

Why would the Anglo-Jew Uncle get in bed with that? Because it provides an
insurmountable fault line with sandniggers. Much like feminism and family law.
Any sandniggers on the other side of the fault line--say, some random
goatherder--is immediately an oppressor in this tale; so lying about, stealing
from, and murdering him becomes fair game for the Anglo-Jew. And any
sandnigger who comes to Uncle's side is either lacking in principles or in
brains, likely both.


#772 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 15 17:40:17 2014:

Re #769:

I read some speculations about what Google bought Boston Dynamics for.


#773 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Sep 15 17:50:50 2014:

#772 As a design engineer I can only imagine the possibilities, all of 
them pure unadulterated evil. Humanity is fucked. 


#774 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Sep 15 18:54:05 2014:

http://tinyurl.com/qe2gm82

"Police sources say they confessed to the robbery and murder of French 
street artist Bilal Berreni at the old Brewster Projects. But did the 
three young men (17, 18 and 20 years old) possess the "intellectual 
capacity" to understand what they were giving up when they waived their 
Miranda rights and talked to police after their arrests?"
--------------------------------------------
It would be racist to say the young men lacked the mental capacity to 
know right from wrong but when it's convenient...what a defense. 


#775 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 15 18:56:56 2014:

Re #773:

"Humanity" is the group of Hominids with faster combat robots :-)


#776 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 15 19:00:22 2014:

From #774:

> Murkin' has been described as looking for someone to randomly murder.

LOL. 'Murika, fuck yeah.


#777 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Sep 15 20:15:41 2014:

See what I mean? You can imagine the kind of society where that goes on
and  if you describe it or discuss it you get labeled a monster.  I can
easily imagine how young men are recruited into death gangs like Al 
Qaeda when relating these thugs in my own area.


#778 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 15 20:19:54 2014:

Murkin' with nuclear warheads is more fun! You won't be labelled a monster
for bringing it up either. You'll be Nuclear Club VIP *giggle*


#779 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 15 20:25:35 2014:

See, walkman? It's your fault that niggers get many wives *cackle*

> Is Polygyny a Slave to History?
> 
> How the slave trade patterns of centuries ago are still shaping African
> marriages today.
> 
> For decades, scholars have puzzled over why polygyny in Africa is
> concentrated in the continent's western countries -- Guinea, Togo, and
> Mali, among others. There are competing theories, rooted in variables
> such as relative infant mortality rates and the agricultural roles women
> play in different parts of Africa. A new study, however, argues that the
> answer may be found somewhere else, darker and uglier: the slave trade.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/XLa8Wy
-- (redirects to Foreign Policy)


#780 of 1674 by tod on Mon Sep 15 20:51:07 2014:

re #765
You never know what prostate cancer can do to a government position.


#781 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 15 21:09:47 2014:

Re #765:

I don't think it's cancer and his utterances are certainly not a result of
his illness. To my ears it's his routine speech.

What actually is there, though, is that his office will very likely be
discarded or watered down when he dies. No one else has the political capital
he had when he started out.


#782 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 15 22:02:42 2014:

I meant re. #780.


#783 of 1674 by tod on Tue Sep 16 04:56:46 2014:

Probably watered down.  Discarded?  That would be chaotic.


#784 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 16 05:15:29 2014:

Re #783:

-- http://is.gd/2dq7tL


#785 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 16 05:20:06 2014:

With a bit of attention you'll find out Google translates 'Guardianship of
the Jurisprudent' to 'theocratic regime.' That's how far Newspeak goes *snort*


#786 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 16 05:32:25 2014:

Now a bit of: America, the Lawless.

> DOJ Demands Immunity for Anti-Iran Group UANI
> 
> Will precedent place Israel lobby organizations above the law?
>
> by Grant Smith, September 15, 2014
> 
> [Author Bio]
> 
> Grant F. Smith is the author of the new book Divert! NUMEC, Zalman
> Shapiro and the diversion of U.S. weapons-grade uranium into the Israeli
> nuclear weapons program. He is director of the Institute for Research:
> Middle Eastern Policy in Washington, D.C.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/R5aUc4
-- (redirects to AntiWar.com)


#787 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 16 11:54:23 2014:

Politicians like Al Gore and Hollywood entertainers like Leonardo 
DiCaprio with no scientific background are well qualified to warn of 
Co2 driven, earth apocalypse via climate change. 

http://tinyurl.com/n3f7lps

from the article: 
Oregon-based physicist Gordon Fulks sums it up well:  CO2 is said to 
be responsible for global warming that is not occurring, for 
accelerated sea-level rise that is not occurring, for net glacial 
and sea ice melt that is not occurring . . . and for increasing 
extreme weather that is not occurring. 

The bullet points are interesting:

*According to NASA satellites and all ground-based temperature 
measurements, global warming ceased in the late 1990s. This when CO2 
levels have risen almost 10 percent since 1997. The post-1997 CO2 
emissions represent an astonishing 30 percent of all human-related 
emissions since the Industrial Revolution began. That we ve seen no 
warming contradicts all CO2-based climate models upon which global-
warming concerns are founded.

*Rates of sea-level rise remain small and are even slowing, over 
recent decades averaging about 1 millimeter per year as measured by 
tide gauges and 2 to 3 mm/year as inferred from  adjusted  satellite 
data. Again, this is far less than what the alarmists suggested.

*Satellites also show that a greater area of Antarctic sea ice 
exists now than any time since space-based measurements began in 
1979. In other words, the ice caps aren t melting.
 
*A 2012 IPCC report concluded that there has been no significant 
increase in either the frequency or intensity of extreme weather 
events in the modern era. The NIPCC 2013 report concluded the same. 
Yes, Hurricane Sandy was devastating   but it s not part of any new 
trend.


#788 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 16 11:59:21 2014:

Data risk mitigation:

New data center protects against solar storms and nuclear EMPs
http://tinyurl.com/jvr7fym

"The perfect solar storm would require a big sun spot cluster and a 
very rapid CME, and the magnetic field inside the solar storm would 
have to couple perfectly with the Earth's magnetic field. If that 
happened, the consequences could be significant, William Murtagh, 
program coordinator at U.S. Space Weather Prediction Center, said 
Thursday."


#789 of 1674 by tod on Tue Sep 16 12:06:45 2014:

re #788
Many datacenters are EMP resistant.  There's a nice one in Lake Moses, WA.

Hey everybody - STAND UP!
http://entertainthis.usatoday.com/2014/09/14/kanye-west-wheelchair-concert-
aus
tralia/


#790 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 16 13:06:39 2014:

What a first class @sshole.


#791 of 1674 by tod on Tue Sep 16 13:29:41 2014:

File it under: Cringeworthy Lead Singer Disease Symptoms


#792 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 16 13:54:14 2014:

Here's something fun:
http://tinyurl.com/okqnmx7

U.S. Pushes Back Against Warnings That ISIS Plans to Enter From 
Mexico

WASHINGTON   Militants for the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria have 
traveled to Mexico and are just miles from the United States. They 
plan to cross over the porous border and will  imminently  launch 
car bomb attacks. And the threat is so real that federal law 
enforcement officers have been placed at a heightened state of 
alert, and an American military base near the border has increased 
its security.

As the Obama administration and the American public have focused 
their attention on ISIS in recent weeks, conservative groups and 
leading Republicans have issued stark warnings like those that ISIS 
and other extremists from Syria are planning to enter the country 
illegally from Mexico. But the Homeland Security Department, the 
F.B.I. and lawmakers who represent areas near the border say there 
is no truth to the warnings.
-------------------------------------------
If this is real or not (false flag or actual terrorism) expect an 
extreme reaction from the U.S. government. When I say extreme, I 
mean volume 11 extreme. They will crack down on their own people. I 
wonder if the terrorists have collaborators here that are ready to 
assist and provide safe harbor. Seems like going through Canada 
would be easier and more effective. They could cross the water 
instead of the tunnel/bridge. Lots of friends and relatives here in 
the Detroit area I'm sure. Also big urban areas mean higher death 
rate for each terror act. 


#793 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 16 14:02:26 2014:

I sincerely hope the Scots vote for independence!
http://tinyurl.com/pjvld3a



#794 of 1674 by cross on Tue Sep 16 14:32:06 2014:

resp:792 I think it would be hilarz if some of these ISIS pussies ran afoul
of some of the cartels operating on the Mexican side of the border.  The
reactions would be priceless when they found themselves rolling down a hill
in the middle of a bunch of tires that were covered in gasoline and set on
fire.


#795 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 16 17:07:57 2014:

World leaders skip out on UN Climate conference in New York:
http://tinyurl.com/m53n5ez

"Aussie PM Tony Abbott today defended his decision not to hop on an 
earlier flight to America, so he could attend the UN climate conference 
in New York, because he has more important matters to attend to, such 
as running the country."


#796 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 16 17:18:07 2014:

AGW or not, that man is common scum. Doubt it?

-- http://www.greatbarrierreef.org.au/tag/tony-abbott/

The interests he represents in Australia's exploitation industries are the
cause of him not attending. Not any sort of principled opposition. If the
world has "leaders" like that--with the likes of thug boy at their
service--you will need no enemies.

Note: I'm not complaining here. I get my kicks out of seeing destruction.


#797 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 16 17:47:58 2014:

#796 "Note: I'm not complaining here. I get my kicks out of seeing 
destruction."

Then you should own a gas guzzling V8 truck!


#798 of 1674 by cross on Tue Sep 16 18:09:06 2014:

Thug life.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2v4rWyCEeE


#799 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 16 18:47:58 2014:

Re #797:

Will my new LED lights and arrays of "Intellipower" drives count? :-P

Now, seriously, the LED lights are awesome. 

-- http://www.afratab.com/LED.aspx?PrId=2

I like the light better. It looks cleaner to me. They come with 2 years
no-questions replacement warranty. The 9 W ones more than substitute for 100
W incandescents I had. I'm expecting to see a 150-200 kWh decrease on my
bimonthly electricity bills, out of the average ca. 700 kWh figure.


#800 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 16 18:51:03 2014:

#799 I have replaced some bulbs with LED and I am VERY satisfied with 
them. Good choice!
They are still quite expensive in America for mass adoption. The price 
range is $12-30+. There are some bulbs of questionable origin that can 
be had for $8 too but I'm not going to go with them. I'll wait until 
the price comes down on the name brand bulbs to do a full replacement. 
CFL in the meantime is very cost/energy efficient. 


#801 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 16 19:35:23 2014:

I got 9 W ones for the equivalent of ca. 9.40 USD. The 5 W model is ca. 6.25
USD. Here, even at the higher price, the warranty and rated hours on them
makes them cheaper than incandescents. Not even counting kWh savings.


#802 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 16 20:37:48 2014:

> First US strike under new IS plan
> 
> 16 September 2014 Last updated at 14:02
> 
> [...]
> 
> United States
> 
> Logistical
> Train and equip moderate Syrian rebels
> 
> Saudi Arabia
> 
> Logistical
> Allow bases to be used for training of moderate Syrian rebels

-- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29214785

Enjoy.


#803 of 1674 by tod on Tue Sep 16 21:54:03 2014:

re #802
 > Logistical
 > Train and equip moderate Syrian rebels
 >
 
Watch moderates attack Assad and ignore ISIS


#804 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 16 22:00:36 2014:

English language doesn't exist anymore ;-)


#805 of 1674 by tod on Wed Sep 17 04:31:12 2014:

I speak it very good


#806 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Sep 17 11:20:29 2014:

#803 That's exactly what I expect to happen and most likely the 
intended outcome. 

#802 Attack of the peacekeepers.



#807 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Sep 17 11:27:50 2014:

Now Bill Clinton is adding his two cents to the Scottish vote. 
http://tinyurl.com/pr84wrv

 With so much turmoil and division across the globe, I hope the 
Scots will inspire the world with a high turnout and a powerful 
message of both identity and inclusion,  Clinton said in the 
statement.

There was another, more lengthy article in this week's Buisness Week 
where they tried in vein to make the case that despite the fact that 
London was similar to a dark star, the Scots' economy will be 
screwed if they cut ties. It's laughable to me how desperate they 
are to keep access to Scotland resource rape. Although I did learn 
something with the article: that the UK income tax makes up for 95% 
of the taxes, leaving only 5% for local governments. They 
redistribute on a "lordly basis". WTF. Revolution. 


#808 of 1674 by tod on Wed Sep 17 11:42:30 2014:

re #807
 the UK income tax makes up for 95%
 of the taxes, leaving only 5% for local governments

Considering the majority of income is London-based, I'm not surprised.
Edinburgh is the only major thing in that country and most Scots make
their money in London.  As for Clinton, he's got no horse in that race
and everybody knows his alliance is to Poland.


#809 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Sep 17 12:44:46 2014:

> Steven Salaita and the Tyranny of 'Hate Speech'
> 
> "Hate" is in the eye of the beholder.

-- http://is.gd/ulVhhc
-- (redirects to Reason.com)

The juice in the comments. You see all the American tools sucking kike dick
like it's their mother's teat. I had that pleasant pain in the sides after
reading it.


#810 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Sep 17 13:14:21 2014:

> Iran Lawsuit Has Eric Holder Terrified

-- http://is.gd/cUSkFG
-- (redirects to Bloomberg View)

Good coverage of what's up. Asking a secondary question, though. The primary
question is how much money Jew scum has already made off it.

Oh, by the way, "born" Jew. Righteous. Is it a thing, tod, that truth-telling
among "born" Jews goes hand in hand with dissociation from the cult?


#811 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Sep 17 16:16:57 2014:

> Islamic State: Iraqi Government's illegal barrel bombing of civilian
> areas 'to be stopped'

-- http://is.gd/yWzppt
-- (redirects to The Independent)

Get it? DIME incidates in Jew filth an 'innovative spirit.' A barrel filled
with nails is "illegal," though.

Whose law is that?


#812 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Sep 17 16:17:29 2014:

s/incidates/indicates/


#813 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Sep 17 16:29:24 2014:

Easy prediction: entrenched endless ground war in Iraq and Syria. 
The story could take some interesting twists and turns. Obama could 
pull a Bush and snag Iran while he's doing the globalist's bidding.




#814 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Sep 17 16:50:41 2014:

There's a subtle point people often miss: it was actually Obama who did the
sanctions thing while taking orders from Kike Central. GWB either couldn't
or didn't want to. I'm willing to think 'could not' but 'did not want to' is
tempting, too. Under GWB Iran's economy actually about doubled in size. The
Jew saw that, wanted the share he was denied, so Obama came and 'deflated'
the various Iranian bubbles. Obama won't pull a Bush Jr. on Iran because that
would be too good--for Iran.


#815 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Sep 17 17:10:50 2014:

"Obama won't pull a Bush Jr. on Iran because that would be too good--
for Iran."

Even if he destabilizes Iran first with the tried-n-secure method of 
jihadi insurrection? People are easy to buy off and manipulate. 
Israel has been itching for Iran for years. Using your logic, if the 
Jews get what they want... 


#816 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Sep 17 18:10:11 2014:

Are you against capital punishment? Read this and get back to me:
http://tinyurl.com/ktsuelc


#817 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Sep 17 21:27:25 2014:

Re #815:

Neocons are to a great degree ideologue Imperialists with a romantic side;
think Kipling. ISIS-like stuff is possible, of course, but that won't be Bush
Jr. It'll be Obama II. The Obama Consortium are rattier Imperialist types;
think Kruger.


#818 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Sep 18 02:58:32 2014:

When Obama pleaded for a war in Syria last year, where was ISIS?


#819 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Sep 18 03:47:06 2014:

Meeting with McCain.


#820 of 1674 by tod on Thu Sep 18 05:38:58 2014:

re #818
At the silkscreen shop in Baghdad making black flags.


#821 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Sep 18 12:04:38 2014:

#819 and 820
Right on! 
Bastards. I'm angry at Americans for not paying attention and having 
a short memory.

Obama didn't get his way so he cooked up a great threat. Makes me 
wonder if ISIS (or ISIL as our government likes to call them) is 
real. If they are I suspect they are only a fraction of what they 
are made out to be.

Who realistically thinks America can fight ISIL with bombs when the 
ISIL (assuming it's real) is purportedly hiding in cities? You need 
ground troops to root them out! Is the Iraqi Armed forces up to the 
task? The next obvious thing to happen is that we will be told that 
Obama had the right intentions but he has to honor the wishes of his 
generals who insist ground troops are needed. More quagmire. Crisis 
of the week. 

Wasn't there a protest at Ferguson? Gay marriage? Vets not getting 
care? Benghazi?  IRS destroying Lois Lerner's emails? Bergdahl deal? 
Spying on Merkel? If Rane were still alive he would say, "there are 
no Obama scandals!" Then he'd slouch back in his chair and paypal 
the Hillary campaign more cash. Richard would nod in agreement and 
get back to petting his cat during the Turner Classics airing of 
"The Killing of Sister George." We don't need grexers of days past. 
We can prop their corpses up and beat them with brooms! 


#822 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Sep 18 16:22:33 2014:

Moderates:

-- http://is.gd/6hrF3B


#823 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Sep 18 17:05:03 2014:

Medieval juicer?


#824 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Sep 18 17:39:17 2014:

Every time you use the terms 'civilization,' 'medieval,' '7th century,' and
'1400 years ago' Dan P. goes down on Pam G. and gives her a good licking.


#825 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Sep 19 02:50:31 2014:

Civilization.
Here's to Pam!


#826 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Sep 19 02:58:23 2014:

She'll send you this for your loyal service (slightly NSFW):

-- http://www.vulva-original.com/vulva-perfume.htm

Of her own productions.


#827 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Sep 19 12:39:22 2014:

Oh not clicking on that at work. Yikes. If it needs perfume there are 
other factors at play that warrant medical attention. Or soap.


#828 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Sep 19 14:26:13 2014:

Hehehe, there's a little misunderstanding there.


#829 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Sep 19 18:52:22 2014:

> Achtung TV Manipulation: 1 Bild, 3 Luegen
> 
> [...]
> 
> Gezeigt wird eine Rakete, die durch ein Militaerfahrzeug schlaegt und
> offenbar nicht explodiert ist.  Im ukrainischen Fernsehen ist es eine
> Bombe, die von den Russen abgefeuert wurde. Im russischen TV ist es ein
> Beweis fuer eine ukrainische Rakete. Unschlagbar ist jedoch der Kontext,
> in dem das Video auf Al Jazeera gezeigt wurde: Dort ist es eine Bombe,
> die von Israelis abgefeuert wurde und im Gaza-Streifen gelandet ist.

-- http://is.gd/Trs2uW
-- (redirects to MMnews.de)

Be sure to check what's linked at the bottom, too.


#830 of 1674 by tod on Sat Sep 20 01:18:34 2014:

We're being invaded in America!
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100901035727/deadliestfiction/images/c
/c4
/Imxs0002.jpg


#831 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Sep 20 04:41:36 2014:

Well, you don't really know what color the turned coats of turncoats will be.
Might as well be red.


#832 of 1674 by tod on Sat Sep 20 08:37:39 2014:

Could be blue
or GREEN


#833 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Sep 20 11:21:23 2014:

Green-on-blue makes me feel alive.


#834 of 1674 by tod on Sat Sep 20 21:33:37 2014:

Green-on-Sahar Parniyan is also a belly laugh.


#835 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Sep 20 22:52:56 2014:

You have to share the wisdom with Charlie Wilson.


#836 of 1674 by tod on Sat Sep 20 23:47:26 2014:

I'm too busy play with Tunisian script kiddies
http://cybertinel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/SELENA-LEAK-CYBER-ATTACK.p
df


#837 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Sep 21 00:30:57 2014:

Scripts and kiddies, indeed:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_Muslim


#838 of 1674 by tod on Sun Sep 21 00:50:37 2014:

Websites aren't enough to re-install the Prince of Orange as Stadtholder.


#839 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Sep 21 01:03:45 2014:

Uh, websites are more than enough for perception management.


#840 of 1674 by tod on Sun Sep 21 02:01:38 2014:

re #839
ahaha
yea..like this
http://www.berkley-u.edu/


#841 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Sep 21 02:22:08 2014:

Re #840:

Ahaha, yes.

-- http://is.gd/hg7v3M
+
-- http://www.savehillel.com/2007/04/so-what-do-we-want-and-what-do-we-do-n
ow/


#842 of 1674 by tod on Sun Sep 21 07:14:20 2014:

Concerned Citizen and Isaac go at it in the comments.  <pops popcorn>


#843 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 23 07:38:54 2014:

Might entertain those interested in limits, or lack thereof, to growth:

> Borlaug legacy gives hope for eased tensions
> 
> By Kenneth Quinn
> 11:06 p.m. CDT September 19, 2014
> 
> On Aug. 26, in my capacity as president of the World Food Prize
> Foundation, I had the opportunity to deliver a keynote address at the
> opening ceremony of the 13th Iran Crop Science Congress, which was held
> in Karaj, Iran, and was presided over by the Iranian minister of
> agriculture. I received an unprecedented response.
> 
> The theme of the opening ceremony, and the reason I was invited, was a
> special commemoration of the 100th anniversary of the birth of Norman
> Borlaug, the Iowa native, Nobel Peace Prize laureate and father of the
> Green Revolution, who was the founder of the World Food Prize
> Foundation.
> 
> Borlaug helped train Iranian scientists in the 1960s on how to grow the
> "miracle wheat" that he developed in Mexico. The wheat saved hundreds of
> millions from starvation and death in India, Pakistan and throughout the
> Middle East. His work on the wheat and his advocacy of biotechnology
> prompted the Iranian Agricultural Ministry to give him a special gold
> medal during his visit in 2000 and to organize the special ceremony this
> year.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/wdt6cO
-- (redirects to Des Moines Register)

What technology can, or cannot, do.

News you don't see in Jew rags. Did this appear in NY Times? WaPo? HuffPo?
Was there an AP, AFP, Reuters item for it? No? You know why. Now let's grill
the Eaters Off the Jew Anus about what Lev Leviev, the "Philanthropist," is
doing in Namibia; what soured his business with Vlad the Terrible; and what
his role was in Ukraine.

Meanwhile, in the real world, where thugs and Jews are worth less than their
weight in turd, outside the hyperreal:

> Iran helped stop spread to India of wheat stem rust from Africa #wheat
> @WRonnieCoffman @Harvest2050 @timesofindia @globalrust @JulieBorlaug
> 
> 3:49 PM - 4 Sep 2014

-- https://twitter.com/Harvest2050_MZ/status/507661746182848512

Not too long ago, Assad the Evil was hosting this:

> Originally published on cgiar.org by:International Center for
> Agricultural Research in the Dry Areas (ICARDA) on Mar 20, 2008 
> 
> Aleppo, Syria, March 20: Scientists and researchers from all over the
> world met at the International Center for Agricultural Research in the
> Dry Areas (ICARDA) to standardize protocols and strengthen international
> collaboration to combat Stem Rust, a devastating wheat disease that is
> quickly spreading across the Near East and West Asia region. 
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/WCkhmJ
-- (redirects to Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research)

Just as the Foreskinned Jew by this name:

> Was a Brit Mila the only thing stopping McCain from becoming a Jew?
> 
> According to 'New York Times' article, McCain quipped he would convert
> to Judaism - until ex-Senator Lieberman brought up circumcision.
> 
> John Mcain was apparently considering converting to Judaism - that is,
> until former United States Senator from Connecticut Joe Lieberman told
> him he would have to have a brit mila (circumcision).
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/VitIoe
-- (redirects to Jew Post)

Was scheming as is his wont, making calculations on this:

> Behind the veil of the Islamic State is a war for water
> 
> A little known fact of the war in Syria is that it started at the end of
> the worst drought in Syrian history, a biblical drought which forced
> over 1 million farmers into the cities. Pulitzer Prize-winner Thomas L.
> Friedman interviewed Syrian refugees and farmers in Syria about the link
> between this drought and the start of the civil war. He comes to the
> conclusion that the drought certainly played some role and was probably
> a key tipping point for a bad situation to turn into a full scale war.
> In the documentary "Years of living dangerously" we see how wiki-leaked
> diplomatic cables and high level US officials such as Condoleezza Rice
> acknowledge this link.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/ffw1SX
-- (redirects to Environmental Justice Organisations, Liabilities and Trade)

Such are the priorities in a world where the Jew runs amok.


#844 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 23 20:40:18 2014:

http://www.wnd.com/2014/09/isis-branded-merchandise-sold-on-amazon-facebo
ok/


#845 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 23 22:18:29 2014:

Jew filth is out in full force, too, as usual. Included with the pictures are
non-ISIS material. A Palestinian flag with no ISIS markings.

Meanwhile, the Jewish [apartheid and terror] State runs unabated:

> Snowden Reveal Makes Israeli Spies' Protest An American Issue
> 
> Last Friday, 43 veteran and reserve members of Israel's secretive spy
> organization, Unit 8200, claimed they'd been directed to spy on
> Palestinians for coercion purposes.
> 
> The group signed an open letter of protest to Prime Minister Benjamin
> Netanyahu and to the head of the Israeli army, accusing the spy agency
> of targeting innocent Palestinians and collecting data for political
> purposes, not national security.
> 
> Dubbed the "refusniks," the veterans declared that they had a "moral
> duty" to no longer "take part in the state's actions against
> Palestinians."
> 
> The source of much of the Israeli data may be the U.S. National Security
> Agency.
> 
> Author and journalist James Bamford interviewed NSA leaker Edward
> Snowden in Moscow this summer. Bamford tells NPR's Arun Rath that
> Snowden was eager to discuss documents that show a U.S. agreement to
> routinely share information with Israel and Unit 8200.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/i49Ixg
-- (redirects to NPR.org)

Keep fellating, shabbos goys. The Kingdom of David is already exported to your
lands.

How is your love affair with Check Point going, tod? Give me a rerun of that
"criminal sysadmin" skit, please.


#846 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Sep 24 15:40:14 2014:

Shoop shoop, the Jew in walkman's soup:

> WHO ARE KHORASAN? THE AL-QAEDA LEADERS WHO MAY TIE IRAN TO 9/11

-- http://is.gd/XfZHRt
-- (redirects to Breitbart.com)

So, what is Khorasan?

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khorasan
+
-- http://is.gd/VD11TZ
-- (added to Wikipedia, yesterday, "news" travels fast)
+
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/MZMcBride
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Monart

New word for your Newspeak lexicon.


#847 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Sep 24 16:08:33 2014:

#846 Some of us are already familiar with this supposedly new terror 
threat. In my cynical view, it's like the filming of Rocky II 
underway. Once the ISIS boogie men are ground into sand, the 
Khorasan pops up out of nowhere and we start again. "Lexicon" is the 
right word. I also suspect the boogie men are interchangeable. Like 
a Redneck is also a Hillbilly and a Southerner, ISIS is rebel is al 
Qaeda is Mujahideen.

CNN is already educating us like the teen supermarket magazines will 
demonstrate the intimate details of Twilight characters:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/24/world/meast/isis-al-nusra-khorasan-
difference/



#848 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Sep 24 16:27:52 2014:

An allegedly Sunni group that is allegedly (but literally) speaking of wanting
to rule one of Iran's provinces after overthrowing the Iranian government is
Iranian government's link to al-Qaeda. Get that?

They don't even need to try anymore.


#849 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Sep 24 16:40:24 2014:

#848 If it is said to be the official word, people will argue that only 
idiots disagree. 


#850 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Sep 24 16:45:28 2014:

Sedition!


#851 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Sep 24 22:49:56 2014:

> Viber Company Refutes Tapping Claims by Iranian Officials

-- http://is.gd/4QqpjC
-- (redirects to International Campaign for "Human Rights" in Iran)

The unnamed author is using 'refute' instead of 'reject.' Is s/he a fool or
a liar? You decide.

Next up:

> [liberationtech] Viber is secure?
> 
> Amin [...]
> Thu Sep 20 08:06:36 PDT 2012

-- http://is.gd/kpvn4G
-- (redirects to liberationtech mailing list archive)

Thread OP is an Iranian wondering about Viber's security.

It's totally secure. Keep using it, idiots:

> Researchers slurp unencrypted Viber messaging data with ease
> 
> Images, videos, location and other data easily exposed, they claim
> 
> [...]
> 
> The mobile app allows users to send each other messages, videos, images
> and doodles, share GPS location details and make voice calls.
> 
> However, researchers at the University of New Haven Cyber Forensics
> Research and Education Group (UNHcFREG) found a serious security flaw
> in the way Viber receives videos, images and doodle files; the way it
> sends and receives location data; and the way it stores data on its
> Amazon servers.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/PGsW7p
-- (redirects to The Register)

Get it? IRI says it! It's false! A lie!

You cannot trust these traitors with minimal competence. Can you trust them
with sincerity or honesty?

I'll give you one chance to guess why GMail, Facebook, WhastApp, Skype, Viber,
Twitter, and their friends are "human rights."

P.S. If they wanted Iranians to communicate with provable security they'd be
spending a tiny fraction of their USAID-provided finances on developing a
granny-friendly registrarless SIP and ZRTP implementation for common mobile
platforms. You also have one guess why they don't. (Psst, it has something
to do with the same tool spreading to Americans.)


#852 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Sep 25 01:21:58 2014:

Get a whiff of this Jew:

> How Iran Outwits Obama in the Middle East

-- http://is.gd/ZJHKih
-- (redirects to Commentary)

All of America, one psikhushka. Anti-"semitism" under F21.

Enjoy your stay ;-)


#853 of 1674 by tod on Thu Sep 25 02:45:00 2014:

L'shana Tovah


#854 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Sep 25 03:01:24 2014:

-- http://is.gd/qwhihx

Have a good year, tod.


#855 of 1674 by tod on Thu Sep 25 04:05:52 2014:

Had no idea on the history of jaffa orange, thanks


#856 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Sep 25 11:41:55 2014:

#852 

"Iran s role as a leading sponsor of global terrorism is well 
known."
Examples? 

1. The first category is direct military engagement.

Wrong. America is not Assad's air force. The unstated mission is to 
*take out* Assad. Also, America protecting Iraq helps Iran? Explain 
how in either of these cases Iran outwits? 

2. The second category includes conflicts in which America s allies 
are up against Iranian proxies. 

Hamas, Turkey and Lebanon: Iranian clients? Did anyone send the 
telegram?

3.  direct American engagement with Iran on its nuclear program. 

Diplomacy between two countries (regarding defense/offense vs. 
national security) puts the supposed antagonist in the position of 
outwitting? Seriously?

4. Yet nothing has been done to crack down on the group in Turkey. 

Tawhid-Salam attacking Israeli embassies = Iran outwitting Obama? 

"COMMENTARY was founded in 1945 by the American Jewish Committee."
Meh. Okay. Perspective. Obama is bad when not 100% devoted to the 
Israeli hard line. 


#857 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Sep 25 15:18:11 2014:

See the image on #854. Sums up Jewish existence: lying, theft, and murder;
emphasis on lying. With utter brazenness. No shame whatsoever. "Tawhid-Salam"
as an entity was an invention of AKP's challengers in Turkish military. It
was their version of 'al-Qaeda at home.' Didn't fly, though. Village turks
are smarter than TV Americans. "Terror? What terror? It's no skin off my
back." Turkey's relationship to Israel was forced by Uncle. The locals hate
the Jew stench as much as anyone with a sense of 'truth and justice.'

> The official Soviet psychiatric science came up with the definition of
> sluggish schizophrenia, a special form of the illness that supposedly
> affects only the person's social behavior, with no trace on other
> traits: "most frequently, ideas about a struggle for truth and justice
> are formed by personalities with a paranoid structure," according to the
> Moscow Serbsky Institute professors (a quote from Vladimir Bukovsky's
> archives).

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psikhushka

Anti-"semitism?" You know there's recently a push to call it a mental illness?

See how it correlates.

> Under Lenin, Jews became involved in all aspects of the Revolution,
> including its dirtiest work. Despite the Communists' vows to eradicate
> anti-Semitism, it spread rapidly after the Revolution -- partly because
> of the prominence of so many Jews in the Soviet administration, as well
> as in the traumatic, inhuman Sovietization drives that followed.
> Historian Salo Baron has noted that an immensely disproportionate number
> of Jews joined the new Bolshevik secret police, the Cheka And many of
> those who fell afoul of the Cheka would be shot by Jewish investigators.

-- Rapoport, L.; "Stalin's War Against the Jews: The Doctors' Plot and the
Soviet Solution."

When the turn for some of these Jew murderers came they started screaming
bloody murder. Pattern?

When they tell you about Ukraine's anti-"semitic" fascists who inserted
themselves into Gershman's "revolution" they forget to put it side by side
with that almost 8 out of 10 Ukrainian Cheka were Jews. People have a
historical memory.

Now today, tod wants to rescue the Jew by setting the "Bolsheviks" apart. The
same Clintonian tactic for rescuing Israel: out of kibbutz, into corporate.
That "unless you're a Bolshevik" catchphrase isn't accidental. Wonderfully,
the "capitalist" Jew is no different. The "liberal" Jew behaves identically.
The "secular" Jew is all the same.

Sklavenmoral is what connects them. "To know survival"--aye, tod? Where
"survival" eventually translates to self-enrichment and convenience at any
price, social and even personal. Sink to any depth, tell any lie, do anything;
as long as it pays. When you see agitprop against people who have the
wherewithal to negate their own existence if it's an existence without dignity
give this thought a spin, too. Then say: Sonderkommando.


#858 of 1674 by keesan on Thu Sep 25 15:31:10 2014:

I've murdered a lot of mosquitoes.


#859 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Sep 25 16:04:21 2014:

Battle of the parasites. (referring to 858)

#857 I read your piece, I just don't know what to say about all of it. 
I am rarely speechless.


#860 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Sep 25 18:45:20 2014:

It's hate speech and it's true.

If you find a false claim in it do tell.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Image on #854 is the history of Jaffa orange. It was a cultivar developed by
Palestinians in 19th century. Germans emigrating to Palestine in early 20th
century, under British Mandate, saw its potential and started selling it
outside Palestine.

The Jew came there. 

> The Myth of the UN Creation of Israel
> 
> [...]
> 
> On September 3, UNSCOP issued its report to the General Assembly
> declaring its majority recommendation that Palestine be partitioned into
> separate Jewish and Arab states. It noted that the population of
> Palestine at the end of 1946 was estimated to be almost 1,846,000, with
> 1,203,000 Arabs (65 percent) and 608,000 Jews (33 percent). Growth of
> the Jewish population had been mainly the result of immigration, while
> growth of the Arab population had been "almost entirely" due to natural
> increase. It observed that there was "no clear territorial separation of
> Jews and Arabs by large contiguous areas", and even in the Jaffa
> district, which included Tel Aviv, Arabs constituted a majority. Land
> ownership statistics from 1945 showed that Arabs owned more land than
> Jews in every single district in Palestine. The district with the
> highest percentage of Jewish ownership was Jaffa, where 39 percent of
> the land was owned by Jews, compared to 47 percent owned by Arabs. In
> the whole of Palestine at the time UNSCOP issued its report, Arabs owned
> 85 percent of the land, while Jews owned less than 7 percent.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/RYgQw0
-- (redirects to WikiSpooks)

Stole the land. Stole the business. And even stole the name. Jaffa orange
became synonymous to Israel, its brand. Entirely based on lies.

Who was doing this? A newfangled, maleficently engineered society based around
kibbutz. A replica of the Soviet kolkhoz with a strong martial bent. The
neighboring, largely unarmed or poorly armed Palestinians were perpetual
Nazis. Often even kibbutz teachers had not seen the actual Nazis. That's the
lie the Jew raised children with in kibbutzim.

Now, this society based on kibbutz would at least show some sort of Communist
values or solidarity, you'd think. Maybe function like Yugoslavia for a while.
No, the Jew did nothing but lie. Raise children in kibbutzim while Israel
Corporation--that's literally its name--was dealing in Jew infiltration and
corruption of American society.

The Red Scare and War on Communism--a war on a concept, like 'War on Terror,'
another Jew invention--and its horrific results in periphery nations--Vietnam,
Cambodia, Laos, Iran, Chile; just a few of them--was promulgated by Dulles,
who turned public attention from oil profiteering, a concrete phenomenon, to
an abstract, pertual war that could not be "won" short of policing thought.
In the process somehow Angleton magically erased every fact about Israel, its
illegitimate existence, and its actual modus operandi from American
consciousness. The Big Bad Soviet was there just as the little Soviet was
supposed to be Uncle's helper (by profiteering off sales of American secrets
to Soviets).

At the same time, Team "A" and Team B, both dominated by the Jew were feeding
Uncle self-serving disinformation on the scale of Soviet success and the
contents of Soviet intentions. The Jewish Pipes family who were part of that
charade have now changed jobs to feeding the American public disinformation
about Muslims and Islam. Son of the "expert" Sovietologist is an "expert"
Islamologist today.

It's all accidental, of course. There's no trend and no criminal intent.


#861 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Sep 25 18:53:31 2014:

Re #858:

> I've murdered a lot of mosquitoes.

If that's to sardonically say you haven't murdered people then I'd suggest
you not associate yourself those who have and take pride in it.


#862 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Sep 25 19:08:08 2014:

Report: bellstar has said, "It's all accidental, of course. There's no 
trend and no criminal intent."

Team: I am clearing him of his anti-semitism. If there are any 
objections, please advise. Otherwise, I will welcome him to the Mossad.
------------------------
PS Most Americans are well aware that Jews stole the land and that it 
is well protected thanks in part to American tax dollars. Also, maps 
will be redrawn throughout history. The victors (or benefactors in your 
example) become the new tyrants.


#863 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Sep 25 19:15:41 2014:

Speaking of Israel, I didn't see their name on the list of Obama's 
coalition. Always ranting about who supports Israel, yet where's the 
support of America? It's a fair question.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/14/world/meast/isis-coalition-nations/


Also, there's some dirty laundry to attend to: "ISIS is good for 
Israel" ~ Netanyahu


#864 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Sep 25 19:55:05 2014:

Re #862:

The scale of lying and vastness of its results compared to pettiness of its
subject is historically unprecedented.

Also, that was sarcasm, just to be sure. I'd sooner be dead than work for any
institution of the Lie, under any flag.


#865 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Sep 25 21:05:44 2014:

More Jew stench from the Jew delusion shop:

> Will Iran Sell Out Al Qaeda for Nukes?
> 
> Josh Rogin
> Eli Lake

-- http://is.gd/Pq1loh
-- (redirects to The Daily Beast)

> Iran Begs to Be Allowed in From the Cold
> 
> By Benny Avni

-- http://www.newsweek.com/iran-begs-be-allowed-cold-273378

Why are Israeli agents writing American stories? Because America has failed
to put the domestic Jew filth to its place. Five decades on.


#866 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Sep 26 03:02:22 2014:

The Jew-S' house nigger oinks again:

> Full text of President Obama's 2014 address to the United Nations
> General Assembly
> 
> [...]
> 
> Second, it is time for the world -- especially Muslim communities -- to
> explicitly, forcefully, and consistently reject the ideology of al Qaeda
> and ISIL.
> 
> It is the task of all great religions to accommodate devout faith with a
> modern, multicultural world. No children -- anywhere -- should be educated
> to hate other people. There should be no more tolerance of so-called
> clerics who call upon people to harm innocents because they are Jewish,
> Christian or Muslim. It is time for a new compact among the civilized
> peoples of this world to eradicate war at its most fundamental source:
> the corruption of young minds by violent ideology.
> 
> That means cutting off the funding that fuels this hate. Its time to
> end the hypocrisy of those who accumulate wealth through the global
> economy, and then siphon funds to those who teach children to tear it
> down.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/cf4c1U
-- (redirects to Washington Post)

The West, especially the Jew-SA, needs to learn fear, apparently, as it
understands no other language. It might take a long time to teach the old dog
a new lesson. Let's see who ends up deader.

Yet again, a ghostwriter--say after me, Jew David Frum--slipped poison into
a moron of a POTUS' feed.

I love the third paragraph. This nigger is actually complaining about people
upsetting his Jew masters' shell games.

So, tod, which way is it? If this nigger gets to run his mouth on 1.6 billion
Mozzies at the UN do I get to run mine over Jewkind on some backwater soapbox?


#867 of 1674 by keesan on Fri Sep 26 16:42:05 2014:

Which of my friends do you claim is a murderer?


#868 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Sep 26 18:26:44 2014:

My friends are murderers? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY2hMgZ_Ocg


#869 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Sep 26 18:27:21 2014:

According to Jew-SA's house nigger: any and all of them who share an
affiliation with any murderer. Collective fun, collective responsibility. You
just read it in #866.

I'm nicer than the house nigger, though. Denunciations work for clearing
things up. Dissociate and be absolved.


#870 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Sep 26 18:30:01 2014:

#869 is re. #867.


#871 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Sep 26 21:50:51 2014:

Told you this Jew rat would be out of his hole any time:

> Why Is the U.S. Yielding to Iran Now?
> 
> The administration does not need to make nuclear concessions to Tehran
> to gain its support against ISIS.
> 
> DAVID FRUM | SEP 26 2014, 2:32 PM ET

-- http://is.gd/3pwh7g
-- (redirects to The Atlantic)

And don't think he hasn't be working all of the last ten years to make Canada
into America's yarmulke. These days Canada has more Jew stench on it than
Israel. Hilarious.

It's always the same game of musical chairs. Same Jew filth come dancing on
the stage over and over, decade after decade.


#872 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 29 16:28:01 2014:

> The Barbarians Within Our Gates
> 
> Arab civilization has collapsed. It won't recover in my lifetime.
> 
> By HISHAM MELHEM | September 18, 2014

-- http://is.gd/LXSfC5
-- (redirects to Politico)

Somewhat informative article and written in a less passionate, better
tolerable tone. The conclusion, however, is far from tenable due an
accumulation of mistakes and distortions:

1. There never was an Arab civilization. There existed and exist many cultures
of which ethno-linguistically identified Arabs of various stock have been and
are a part.

2. The assumption that a so-called 'liberal democracy' would've been desirable
in the countries he lists is baseless.

3. His fascination with his own "Arab"-ness has had him ignore Iran over and
over. Even though he hasn't made the common mistake of vilifying Iran he has
removed it from his calculations, rendering them meaningless.

4. In an attempt at faux fairness he is placing too much blame on various Arab
peoples exonerating the West in self-deprecation.

5. He holds Arab peoples and governments to standards no other people have
been or can be held to. He laments lack of states being "democratic, just or
a practitioner of good governance" as a cause of catastrophic failure while
no others countries meet or have met such criteria and in particular there
are many countries which have not failed catastrophically despite such lack.

6. He lies about Assad, and about Syria.

In short, he suffers from the common colonial elite symptoms.


#873 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Sep 29 17:19:18 2014:

"common colonial elite symptoms"

Merck has an injection for that. 
I got mine and was able to express, "cool beans!" once cured.


#874 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Sep 29 17:53:36 2014:

Itai-itai.


#875 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 30 00:03:25 2014:

-- http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77902000/jpg/_77902740_untitled.jp
g

Who in their right mind would want to be associated with that?


#876 of 1674 by tod on Tue Sep 30 03:37:34 2014:

re #872
Ben Kingsley rules


#877 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Sep 30 06:09:10 2014:

Nothing much to say about entertainers, as long as they don't confuse the
limelight with having relevance.


#878 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 30 12:59:54 2014:

#865 My tax dollars probably paid for it. So associated against my will 
perhaps.


#879 of 1674 by tod on Tue Sep 30 13:12:28 2014:

re 877
end.of the day, the.quoted are all entertainers


#880 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 30 13:38:36 2014:

I am entertained by anyone who can make their guitar talk like a 
person.


#881 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 30 13:59:31 2014:

A very clever media story to make Obama seem vulnerable:

Is Barack Obama's life safe in the Secret Service's hands?
http://tinyurl.com/mofchr5

"A knife-wielding intruder allowed to run rampant through the first 
floor of the White House. Bullets that struck the window of Barack 
Obama's private residence but went unnoticed for days. A 
presidential bodyguard so drunk he passed out in hallway of a hotel.
These are just some of the recent incidents that have shaken 
confidence in the Secret Service, the elite agency assigned to 
protect Mr Obama, his family and the White House."

Why, he's like one of the Kennedys! We should rally around him!


#882 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Sep 30 18:13:05 2014:

Idiot can't just STFU and leave:

U.S. attorney general criticizes Apple, Google data encryption
http://tinyurl.com/ouedr4a

"It is fully possible to permit law enforcement to do its job while 
still adequately protecting personal privacy," Holder said in a speech 
before the Global Alliance Against Child Sexual Abuse Online.

Using children to justify snooping seems ironic at worst, insulting at 
best. 


#883 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 1 00:30:14 2014:

It's just the latest moral panic. "Communism" and "vice"--ass to ass! ass to
ass!--came off the Immoral baddies list and enlisted together with the
"patriots" for US Murder Corps to battle the Sandnigger Hordes. Now
"for-the-children" remains. You'll see that coming off the list, too. Just
give the Gender Gendarmerie some time *cackle*

ISIS is raping the babies! Go get 'em, Social-Liberal Judeo-Moral Mommy!


#884 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 1 04:25:13 2014:

Re #879:

In clown business, you have honest-to-goodness ones:

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu85iltut-I

And then you have this:

-- http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX7dzzKooRXCNnlvfQRy9OQ

The latter is not unusual, of course:

-- http://is.gd/orDLdA
+
-- http://www.fouman.com/Y/Farsi4-Malijak


#885 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Oct 1 17:05:54 2014:

#883 Our "US Murder Corps" are too precious so Sandnigger Hordes are 
smited with patriot missiles.

(I just used your word palette.)

The real immoral baddies are the folks who bring ebola into a 
country for culling, order and other aims. 

The left extremists who like to parrot their professors, "humans are 
a virus that must be wiped out" must be beside themselves with the 
notion of a real-life population control mechanism flying in from 
Liberia. The only thing ~ you can't control something like that and 
the same people who cheer it could be destroyed by it. 



#886 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 1 17:36:46 2014:

Re #885:

Any "gender-fluid" "patriot" can pilot a drone by riding a joystick, comrade.


#887 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Oct 1 18:14:58 2014:

#886 Did you know?

Equipment manufacturers use actual Atari joysticks in industrial 
machines? I worked on an aircraft loader that had this one:
http://na.suzohapp.com/all_catalogs/joysticks/95-1345-00

As an arcade game nut it was quite exciting for me. 

Now to your joystick/drone comment...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unv9C2t7f5c

Looks like some expensive custom joysticks there among the other 
expensive toys. Kind of makes "shall we play a game" more than an 
outdated expression. You know when the camera is off they are 
popping Cheetos and have Rob Zombie jamming on their iPhones. 


#888 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Oct 2 02:04:49 2014:

Re #887:

Murder is sexy.

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNNKuJO8eRc
+
-- http://vimeo.com/93089722

Some should write 'The Emptiness of the Long-Distance Pilot.'


#889 of 1674 by cross on Thu Oct 2 02:30:31 2014:

http://33.media.tumblr.com/273ae8dca7f031fb11db2d72e77815c0/tumblr_ncjcb4wf
0c1r3dv3jo1_1280.jpg


#890 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Oct 2 03:14:54 2014:

Idiotic.


#891 of 1674 by cross on Thu Oct 2 03:25:25 2014:

I figured you'd get your thong in a bunch over that.


#892 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Oct 2 04:00:40 2014:

That manner of stupidity has serious repercussions:

-- http://is.gd/N9O3Oq
-- (redirects to The Guardian)


#893 of 1674 by tod on Thu Oct 2 07:18:58 2014:

Next thing you know, folks will mistake Lawrence Fishburne for Danny Glover


#894 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Oct 2 07:40:28 2014:

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rao33ZYlrq4

I tend to think thug boy types just happen to not be man enough for their
local womenfolk. Do you get that reeking machismo, too? Just in, been
liberating Hadji girls from Hadji guys, with his riflecock. 's human rights,
I tell ya.

Goodness, the stench.


#895 of 1674 by cross on Thu Oct 2 14:36:14 2014:

Whoosh...that's the sound of the reference going over bellstar's head.


#896 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Oct 2 15:52:50 2014:

#889 Nice!

#890 Are you cheering on ISIS?



#897 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Oct 2 21:59:14 2014:

Re #896:

Read #892.


#898 of 1674 by cross on Thu Oct 2 22:21:13 2014:

*Whoosh*


#899 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Oct 2 22:31:58 2014:

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8UKf65NOzM


#900 of 1674 by cross on Fri Oct 3 01:49:21 2014:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ_a7LadY2Y


#901 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Oct 3 03:05:50 2014:

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LloL5yiN7-Y&t=7m33s


#902 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Oct 3 11:10:00 2014:

Has Israel sent ebola patients to Iran yet? 


#903 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Oct 3 11:19:11 2014:

I would hope so.


#904 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Oct 3 11:20:15 2014:

Are we in a post-internet security world? Was there ever true IT 
security? What is the problem here? Low-rent third world IT 
outsourcing? Incompetent, overpaid home-sourced IT staff? Bad system 
design? Something else?

JPMorgan Says Data Breach Affected 76 Million Households
http://tinyurl.com/p7rq7eg

Don't worry, keep shopping.
I'm seriously wondering if the security solutions can keep up with 
the hackers. Now we have idiots buying things with their phones (at 
the direction of corporations). It seems to me that security and 
breach are vectors moving in opposite directions.


#905 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Oct 3 11:20:55 2014:

#903 Do you think ebola will be the death of humanity? The new black 
death?


#906 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Oct 3 23:33:52 2014:

On #904 you're using the term 'third world' incorrectly.

I don't know about ebola. What it will do or how far and how fast it might
spread. I generally like upheavals, though. The larger the scale the better,
to me. If there's a large upheaval, I win. If there's none, I still win.


#907 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Oct 4 00:58:49 2014:

Were you one of those kids who felt like a winner just for participating
 in soccer?


#908 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Oct 4 01:45:05 2014:

I like adventure but am avoidant by personality. If I don't pursue adventure
of my own will maybe adventure itself can come knock on my door?

I tire of the repetitive noise called "news" media, too. The human propensity
to lie without shame is more terrifying to me than ebola. You could stop the
pain of a disease by killing the patient in mercy. What are you going to do
to a whole species of liars?


#909 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Oct 4 03:29:02 2014:

Music and dance solves all those problems. 

*FAME I'm gonna live forever, I'm going to learn how to FLY*

Liars are everywhere. I can deal with them.


#910 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Oct 4 03:45:23 2014:

Nietzsche's allegedly Nazi-loving sister introduces Thus Spake Zarathustra
like that:

> "Zarathustra" is my brother's most personal work; it is the history of
> his most individual experiences, of his friendships, ideals, raptures,
> bitterest disappointments and sorrows.  Above it all, however, there
> soars, transfiguring it, the image of his greatest hopes and remotest
> aims.  My brother had the figure of Zarathustra in his mind from his
> very earliest youth:  he once told me that even as a child he had dreamt
> of him.  At different periods in his life, he would call this haunter of
> his dreams by different names; "but in the end," he declares in a note
> on the subject, "I had to do a PERSIAN the honour of identifying him
> with this creature of my fancy.  Persians were the first to take a broad
> and comprehensive view of history.  Every series of evolutions,
> according to them, was presided over by a prophet; and every prophet had
> his 'Hazar,'--his dynasty of a thousand years."
> 
> All Zarathustra's views, as also his personality, were early conceptions
> of my brother's mind.  Whoever reads his posthumously published writings
> for the years 1869-82 with care, will constantly meet with passages
> suggestive of Zarathustra's thoughts and doctrines.  For instance, the
> ideal of the Superman is put forth quite clearly in all his writings
> during the years 1873-75; and in "We Philologists", the following
> remarkable observations occur:--
> 
> "How can one praise and glorify a nation as a whole?--Even among the
> Greeks, it was the INDIVIDUALS that counted."
> 
> "The Greeks are interesting and extremely important because they reared
> such a vast number of great individuals.  How was this possible?  The
> question is one which ought to be studied.
> 
> "I am interested only in the relations of a people to the rearing of the
> individual man, and among the Greeks the conditions were unusually
> favourable for the development of the individual; not by any means owing
> to the goodness of the people, but because of the struggles of their
> evil instincts.
> 
> "WITH THE HELP OF FAVOURABLE MEASURES GREAT INDIVIDUALS MIGHT BE REARED
> WHO WOULD BE BOTH DIFFERENT FROM AND HIGHER THAN THOSE WHO HERETOFORE
> HAVE OWED THEIR EXISTENCE TO MERE CHANCE.  Here we may still be hopeful:
> in the rearing of exceptional men."
> 
> [...]
> 
> His reasons, however, for choosing Zarathustra of all others to be his
> mouthpiece, he gives us in the following words:-- "People have never
> asked me, as they should have done, what the name Zarathustra precisely
> means in my mouth, in the mouth of the first Immoralist; for what
> distinguishes that philosopher from all others in the past is the very
> fact that he was exactly the reverse of an immoralist. Zarathustra was
> the first to see in the struggle between good and evil the essential
> wheel in the working of things.  The translation of morality into the
> metaphysical, as force, cause, end in itself, was HIS work.  But the
> very question suggests its own answer.  Zarathustra CREATED the most
> portentous error, MORALITY, consequently he should also be the first to
> PERCEIVE that error, not only because he has had longer and greater
> experience of the subject than any other thinker--all history is the
> experimental refutation of the theory of the so-called moral order of
> things:--the more important point is that Zarathustra was more truthful
> than any other thinker.  In his teaching alone do we meet with
> truthfulness upheld as the highest virtue--i.e.:  the reverse of the
> COWARDICE of the 'idealist' who flees from reality.  Zarathustra had
> more courage in his body than any other thinker before or after him.  To
> tell the truth and TO AIM STRAIGHT:  that is the first Persian virtue.
> Am I understood?...The overcoming of morality through itself--through
> truthfulness, the overcoming of the moralist through his
> opposite--THROUGH ME--:  that is what the name Zarathustra means in my
> mouth."

His "Persians," his Zarathustra, and his "Greeks" are ahistorical and
essentially ficticious, of course. Although he apparently liked to think that
his "Greeks" were more historical than the rest.


#911 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Oct 4 03:45:59 2014:

s/ficticious/fictitious/


#912 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Oct 4 03:49:49 2014:

On a different note, what problems?


#913 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Oct 4 12:38:48 2014:

#912 Thank you for the piece by Elisabeth. She was quite the writer
herself.  Not as abstract but interesting nonetheless. Friedrich
Nietzsche was  operating on a plane high above most men IMO. In that I
am saying he is one  of the supermen. 

Regarding problems: Liars, ebola and what to do with the diseased.

The concept of ebola (not just the danger or the physical realities)
attacks  my innermost feeling of security. I am deeply suspicious of
ebola's creation  and the timing of it's introduction. Governments know
that very ebola victim  is a deadly circle that overlaps other circles.
The planet's population can  be wiped out. Bill Gates among others have
admitted that they would like to  see 90% of the population destroyed to
"save the planet." Are there people  and organizations that would create
something like ebola to kill 90% of the  population? I believe so. 

The human populace as a whole is like that individual diseased ebola 
sufferer. The things we will go through are beyond devastating if things
go  in the wrong direction. Extending your logic, the human populace
itself  should be destroyed to put it out of it's misery. I disagree. I
want to have  a way to fight back.


#914 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Oct 4 13:18:20 2014:

What I read these days is that ebola has something of a 40-50% survival rate.
Maybe take ebola to be a trial by fire; or Russian roulette, maybe?

As to 'fighting back,' has Bill G. included himself and his children in the
Great Culling? If he has not, you know what to do: be Bill G. or the apple
of his eye.


#915 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Oct 4 13:29:18 2014:

I have a feeling that once chaos ensues, the "leaders of men" will have
big  targets on their backs ala French Revolution. I'm sure Bill and his
precious  cargo will be in the Swiss Alps with the likes of Al Gore and
Zbigniew  Brzezinski drinking a cup of some white girl's blood in
celebration.


#916 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Oct 4 13:41:53 2014:

Why "some white girl's blood" specifically? *giggle*


#917 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Oct 4 16:51:37 2014:

#916 Only the best for our leaders.
giggle indeed!

Hitler took medicine that was made from feces cultivated from "a
Bulgarian  peasant of the most vigorous stock."
http://www.neatorama.com/2014/03/24/Der-Fartenfhrer-The-Story-of-Hitlers-
 Health/


#918 of 1674 by tod on Sat Oct 4 18:02:20 2014:

re #917
Reizdarmsyndrom led to sepsis.


#919 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Oct 4 21:44:19 2014:

Re #918:

IBD can, but IBS?


#920 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Oct 4 21:48:22 2014:

Re #917:

Belladonna is effective for its hyoscine. Hyoscine/Phenobarb pills are still
given, in tiny doses, for "calming" the guts. It is nothing out of the
ordinary.

How much hyoscine six 'Anti-Gas Pills' contained is the question.


#921 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Oct 5 00:14:24 2014:

When I get gassy I have a couple cups of star-of-anise tea. I have to
make  sure I'm not in too many meetings the next day though if you know
what I mean. 


#922 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Oct 5 00:33:47 2014:

This herbal mix is nice and time-proven for various gut disturbances:

-- http://www.mehr-e-giah.ir/mint.html

Peppermint, European pennyroyal, Z. tenuior, and rosemary.

The "risk" from it is, I guess, guts slowing down quite a bit. (Also,
self-medication when there's a more serious problem, as with any herbal
remedy people might use.)


#923 of 1674 by tod on Sun Oct 5 04:37:53 2014:

re #922
i will try that - looks good


#924 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Oct 6 00:37:40 2014:

> The Hidden Government Group Linking JFK, Watergate, Iran-Contra And 9/11
> 
> [...]
> 
> For some time now, I have been analyzing American history in the light
> of what I have called structural deep events: events, like the JFK
> assassination, the Watergate break-in, Iran-Contra, or 9/11, which
> repeatedly involve law-breaking or violence, are mysterious to begin
> with, are embedded in ongoing covert processes, have political
> consequences that enlarge covert government, and are subsequently
> covered up by systematic falsifications in the mainstream media and
> internal government records.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/eoCzrp
-- (redirects to WhoWhatWhy.com)

Yummy.

It skips the IDPOL arms--Churches and Jews--in its listing, for well-known
reasons. Still a very good read. I'll put the books referenced in my browsing
and reading lists.


#925 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Oct 6 06:57:34 2014:

> ISIL, US intervention and the rise of the Iranian model
> Western media's caricaturish coverage of Iran masks an uncomfortable truth.
> 
> Last updated: 05 Oct 2014 11:46
> 
> [by:] Seyed Mohammad Marandi
> 
> Seyed Mohammad Marandi is professor of North American Studies and dean
> of the Faculty of World Studies at the University of Tehran.

-- http://is.gd/Xx3oXg
-- (redirects to al-Jazeera)

He slips into panegyrics quite often, as is common for people in his sort of
position; particularly in the IRI. Still, it's always fun to see someone else
make laundry lists of the "Western" web of lies. Kind of pathetic that it
takes only an unsophisticated man like him to do such. Thanks to humankind's
immense gullibility Anglo-Jew lying tactics have not had to improve ever since
this:

-- http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/goeb29.htm


#926 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Oct 6 10:53:45 2014:

#925 Despite the fact that it is Goebbels perspective in the article, 
who had the defensible position, Goebbels or Churchhill?

Also, do you not see the striking similarity between Goebbels' 
perspective and that of Churchhill?


#927 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Oct 6 11:22:51 2014:

Re #926:

Suffice to say Indonesia's proclamation of independence was typed on a
Kriegsmarine typewriter. You can ask Dan Cross about Netaji's Axis
connections.

Hitler and Churchill were both mass murderers of equal scale--I must emphasize
that Churchill was equal or ahead of Hitler in his murderous operations--and
if you look up how Churchill's life ended you won't see a much more dignified
story than Hitler's. The distinction in post-WWII chronicles is that Hitler
is vilified and caricaturized while Churchill is canonized. I attribute this
to a concerted Anglo-Jew effort for muddling modern history. The group have
made similar efforts at twisting ancient history to their purposes.

The Anglo aspect is self-explanatory. Jews' role in this has in turn been a
self-serving collective guilt campaign directed at the world which has become
both an IDPOL muster of force and as a cover for grand theft and occasional
mass murder.

What is interesting about these efforts is their success relative to similar
efforts of other groups for producing false narratives. The Goebels article
attributes success of its precursor to mere tenacity. I often wonder if that's
the case or if other factors--say, particular adeptness or lack of
scruple--are also at work.


#928 of 1674 by tod on Mon Oct 6 13:01:03 2014:

Did Churchill fart alot?


#929 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Oct 6 13:35:17 2014:

#927 "The distinction in post-WWII chronicles is that Hitler
is vilified and caricaturized while Churchill is canonized. I 
attribute this to a concerted Anglo-Jew effort for muddling modern 
history. The group have made similar efforts at twisting ancient 
history to their purposes."

I'm not going to "canonize" Churchill but I will point out the 
distinction between a war aggressor (Germany) and the country being 
attacked (England, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, 
Denmark, Yugoslavia, Greece, Norway and Western Poland among 
others). If you were a person living in one of these countries 
during the war, you would definitely see Hitler and his merry band 
of murderers as evil. Churchill did not start exterminating people 
by race, nor did he take over Europe in a murderous conquest. 


#930 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Oct 6 14:22:04 2014:

Re #928:

Does Onassis count as big enough of fart?

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Re #929:

> Churchill did not start exterminating people by race [...]

Bengalis are much more of a "race" than Jews ever was, are, or can be.

And, again, "race" makes no sense. Least of all w.r.t Jews. If your
understanding of "race" is that of visually distinguishable groups rather than
the scientific concept of clade you must also know the set of people (falsely)
called Jews are actually not visually identifiable with each other or
distinguishable from various other peoples.

---------------------------------------

> [...] nor did he take over Europe in a murderous conquest. 

Keyword: Europe. That's all that needs to be said. The countries you name most
had colonies where they were doing to other people far worse than Hitler did
to them. Chief among these scum and a very well-connected one in European
networks was Churchill. The Anglo-Jew effort in muddling of modern history
is in part responsible for hiding the history of British and Dutch
colonialism:

-- http://www.countercurrents.org/polya230109.htm

It might interest you that Leopold II of Belgium takes the cake as the world's
top mass murderer. Where's the "Yad" memorial to Congolese dead  in DC? How
often do you hear about Leopold? If it isn't too often you need look no
further than the Jew York - Antwerp blood diamond racket for why.

---------------------------------------

> If you were a person living in one of these countries during the war,
> you would definitely see Hitler and his merry band of murderers as evil.

False. See: Sudetenland, the Vichy, Volga Germans, Finland, Eastern Europe's
numerous fascist parties. Most civilian murders of the Second World War were
not committed by any sort of regimented state forces rather by local militia,
vigilantes, and opportunists sympathetic to fascism. Lumpenproletariat, to
sum them up. A large number of casualties were in turn attributable to
practice of slavery. Except this time a few well-connected European
populations were enslaved, rather than the usual target of colonized peoples.

The wider theater of the Second World War was far from uniform. For every
European who felt Hitler was ruining the business there were a dozen Asians
or Africans who saw him as redeeming their lives from British and Dutch
savagery.

You hear plenty of sob stories of Japanese treatment of the Dutch in
Indonesia. How many tales do you hear about Dutch treatment of Indonesians?
Why is your "American" school history, seemingly written for the education
of a nation independent from all these peoples, vocal about one and silent
about the far worse other?

I cannot fill all the void of historical knowledge for you, to be honest. Read
up, perhaps? I promise you'll find the picture you have could not possibly
be farther from truth.


#931 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Oct 6 23:49:31 2014:

> Stop and seize
> 
> Aggressive police take hundreds of millions of dollars from motorists
> not charged with crimes
> 
> After the terror attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, the government called on
> police to become the eyes and ears of homeland security on Americas
> highways.
> 
> Local officers, county deputies and state troopers were encouraged to
> act more aggressively in searching for suspicious people, drugs and
> other contraband. The departments of Homeland Security and Justice spent
> millions on police training.
> 
> The effort succeeded, but it had an impact that has been largely hidden
> from public view: the spread of an aggressive brand of policing that has
> spurred the seizure of hundreds of millions of dollars in cash from
> motorists and others not charged with crimes, a Washington Post
> investigation found. Thousands of people have been forced to fight legal
> battles that can last more than a year to get their money back.
> 
> Behind the rise in seizures is a little-known cottage industry of
> private police-training firms that teach the techniques of highway
> interdiction to departments across the country.
> 
> [...]

-- http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/06/stop-and-seize
/

N.b.: 'The effort succeeded.' In what? 'Interdiction.' Ah, yes, the one a step
below excommunication.

Language, language.

Commentary:

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X81AoBcVnaA


#932 of 1674 by tod on Tue Oct 7 05:06:55 2014:

Bloody Queen Mary was more awesome than Leopold in the murder machine.


#933 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Oct 7 08:26:19 2014:

I'd like to think you're joking.


#934 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Oct 7 11:42:44 2014:

#930 Jews control history to cover up the history of their diamond 
supply. They deserved what Hitler gave them. Churchill is complicit 
with Leopold II's crimes. No Congolese memorial in DC due to Jewish 
diamond heists connected to rubber commodity. 

Dubious dot connecting. 


#935 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Oct 7 15:14:17 2014:

Re #934:

> Dubious dot connecting. 

Nope. Comical reading on your part. I rate your humor at about a solid 4 out
of 10 :-)

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh3rZFekA5E


#936 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Oct 7 15:30:35 2014:

On a scale from 1 to 10, how funny is this:

Ex-president Carter says he would've beaten Reagan if he was 'more 
manly' against Iran

Carter told CNBC that his administration could have secured another 
term in office if he had responded more forcefully to the Iran 
hostage crisis.

"I could have wiped Iran off the map with the weapons that we had, 
but in the process a lot of innocent people would have been killed, 
probably including the hostages and so I stood up against all that," 
he said. 

http://tinyurl.com/powf52j
------------------------------------------
"wiped Iran off the map" ~ to win an election? WOW
PS People are much more concerned with the economy than hostages 
back in 1979. Oil lines, inflation, etc. Dumb ass globalist. 


#937 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Oct 7 16:33:41 2014:

He is right, actually. He is speaking in political code, mind you, and his
actual audience is someone other than the American public. He is also moving
and shaking things with the Friends wing of US Congress against Jew saboteurs.

Did you try #924 for size? Take a peek there and look for 'October Surprise.'
The timing of Carter's interview is not accidental.


#938 of 1674 by tod on Wed Oct 8 04:30:33 2014:

re #933
Bibles and cults and religion = Bad Parenting 101


#939 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 8 09:12:21 2014:

Cults, you said?

> Iran Dissidents: Tehran Continues Nuke Arms Work
> 
> [...]
> 
> The Mujahedin-e Khalk, or MEK, cites Iranian government sources it did
> not identify. It said Wednesday that Iran's Organization of Defensive
> Information and Research, or SPND, moved its most sensitive weapons
> research to a new Tehran location "in recent months."
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/EcxbAt -- (redirects to ABC News)

The three news telex giants are quite desperate these days.

SP[E]ND? LOL.

Kidding aside, the only SPND initials I can think of is something with the
words navy and defense in it.


#940 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 8 12:08:23 2014:

> India and Pakistan exchange fire in Kashmir border clashes

-- http://is.gd/gEOItl
-- (redirects to The Guardian)


#941 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Oct 8 14:56:42 2014:

Brown vs brown. The world yawns. 


#942 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 8 15:10:25 2014:

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itm8rcZfvqc


#943 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Oct 8 17:24:59 2014:

Would there be a different reaction if the same thing happened between 
Iran and Pakistan or India and Nepal? 


#944 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 8 18:31:26 2014:

India-Nepal would be 'bandits.' Iran-Pakistan would be 'freedom fighters.'


#945 of 1674 by tod on Thu Oct 9 00:48:29 2014:

If someone suicide vests in Tamil, does the Pope hear it?


#946 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Oct 9 02:40:38 2014:

If there's an annexation of East Timor is there blood on Jew megalomaniac
Kissinger's hands?


#947 of 1674 by cross on Thu Oct 9 18:15:36 2014:

resp:945 Been to Colombo lately?


#948 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Oct 10 01:43:33 2014:

If Jaish ul-Adl kills Iranian conscripts does Jew liar Foxman get new meat
for his synagogue?


#949 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Oct 10 15:27:42 2014:

Their bodies are fed to the flesh powered robots.


#950 of 1674 by cross on Fri Oct 10 16:54:50 2014:

*cues "We are the Robots" by Kraftwerk*


#951 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Oct 10 17:50:17 2014:

Poor robots would have a hard time in Lardland ;-(


#952 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Oct 11 00:05:43 2014:

#951
http://www.timesdispatch.com/news/local/henrico/oversized-body-causes-fir
e-at-
henrico-crematory/article_e603e0bb-9ade-5a52-afbb-3c23b6463b92.html

http://tinyurl.com/k2woz9h

The Bohemian Grove only celebrates the "cremation of care" with young 
children. Not sure if they eat them afterward. 


#953 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Oct 11 00:07:18 2014:

#950 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXa9tXcMhXQ

Moog Micromoog + Germans = Magic


#954 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Oct 11 02:14:11 2014:

Before Moogs fagged it up:

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L91JW1gsO14

(Just kidding. Schulze was the real pioneer, though. And the choice of video
by the YouTube submitter is... electrifying.)


#955 of 1674 by tod on Sat Oct 11 02:31:26 2014:

re #947
Does Orlando count? (Mangoes not so tasty)

Ansar Islamic State in the Arabian Peninsula - discuss, compare, contrast.


#956 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Oct 11 03:02:37 2014:

'Ansar' == 'helpers.'

Taken from early history of Islam. After the prophet's flight to
Yathrib--later named Medina[t an-Nabi], the prophet's city--'ansar' were the
ones who joined him there from the locals, 'mohajiroun' were those who
emigrated with him from Mecca.

So, there's the logic of these namings. The black banners are mark of the
Abbassid caliphate but the strong anti-Arab stance is consistent with the
Umayyad who were toppled soon after instituting Arab chauvinism in their rule
by the revolt led by the Iranian who took on the name Abu Muslim... Khorasani
;-)

To be honest, the namings seem like someone is pulling a historical joke based
on every Iranian's school history knowledge, on everyone else in the world.


#957 of 1674 by tod on Sat Oct 11 04:25:45 2014:

Is ISIS jizyah old school (by say 150 years) or a distortion?


#958 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Oct 11 05:06:45 2014:

Jizyah vs. zakat. Pick your poison... I mean, tax model. A high level of tax
enforcement is particular to modern bureaucracies and their long arms. As far
as I know 19th century monarchies didn't feel a need to reference the "king's
share" to tithe or jizyah/zakat. It was taken to be a soverign's right to levy
taxes. Variations of Frondienst were also quite common.

The concern with keeping an identity label, and acting as if a coerced change
of label is a form of symbolic murder, is a modern phenomenon--and like most
modern stuff a result of confusion of priorities in the face of fast changes.
Of course the Illuminati enjoy playing with it. Call me an atheist, a
Zarathustran, a Muslim, a Christian, a Jew, a Buddhist, or a pinko commie.
Just give me the tax cuts and don't push me to do things I don't want ;-)

As to ISIS, 'distortion' implies there's a verifiably authentic form.
Mormonism is not a 'distortion' of Christianity, for example, since
Christianity doesn't have an authentic form. No cultural artefact does, Islam
included. One can judge these solely by their internal consistency. ISIS makes
particular historical claims which appear to me to be inconsistent with each
other and with what I know of history. Plenty of anachronisms, among other
things. Say, that the Abbassid moved the core of Islam from Arabia to
Mesopotamia was a mark of increased ecumenicalism and some degree of weakening
of power over peripheries. They made Baghdad a cosmopolitan city. These go
against the grain of an alleged return-to-roots movement like ISIS. The
parallel to Abbassid Baghdad could be something like Cairo today, much less
Riyadh and certainly not Mecca.

What I cannot tell is whether ISIS

1. has thinkers who create these inconsistencies secure in the knowledge that
nobody of practical value cares about the specifics;

or

2. has very poorly read thinking heads;

or

3. is a tool in the hands of creepy others who like to muddle history and pull
jokes just as they work practically towards their objectives.


#959 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Oct 11 06:41:06 2014:

> Obama Is Fighting ISIS, Iran and Russia With... Oil?
> 
> How the US is using trade sanctions and other means to curb the oil
> exports of its foes.

-- http://is.gd/eXvXaF
-- (redirects to The Nation)

+

> Iran Matches Saudi Oil Discounts in Bear Market for Crude

-- http://is.gd/k3cRbz
-- (redirects to Bloomberg)

+

> Iran backs down on Opec sending Brent oil price tumbling
> 
> Iran's oil minister says Opec unlikely to meet until the end of
> November, sending crude prices into freefall

-- http://is.gd/D4jmh5
-- (redirects to The Telegraph)

Hm?


#960 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Oct 11 06:44:14 2014:

Er, forgot this: I still think that promise of the US becoming a net exporter
by 2018 will be delivered. (At a price.)


#961 of 1674 by tod on Sun Oct 12 17:24:37 2014:

re #959
Consumers are loving it and investors are loathing it.  


#962 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Oct 12 18:43:14 2014:

Re #961:

Where do producers feature in that? How much capital loss and what effects?


#963 of 1674 by tod on Sun Oct 12 19:13:20 2014:

re #962
Saud and UAE are producing 10% of global consumption (almost 9M barrels)
a day.  There are another 9% coming from the Persian Gulf.  Shipping
rates are sky high with rates around $23k/day for the furthest distance
tankers but those rates may drop if the domestic consumption in the
Persian Gulf continues to grow and turmoil continues with ISIL.
Saud is building a 400k barrels/day refinery on the Red Sea and Abu Dhabi
is doing same at Ruwais.  
Blowback in US transportation is limiting grain exports via rail due
to increased oil imports.  The midrange shipping rates for grain average
$7.5k/day which is well below the $11k/day needed to break even.  
Coal shipping is also suffering thanks to the diesel and gas market rise.
Cosco and other shipping companies may change their logistic patterns
toward South America which is willing to pick up the slack on both grain
and coal.
How does all of this play out for Rouhani?  Iran's crude prices are falling
and inflation looms.  The joker card (i.e. big question mark) will be 
if the nuclear negotiations produce a sustained deal with 
potential for construction and jobs for several decades to come.


#964 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Oct 12 20:12:25 2014:

Re #963:

Inflation in Iran grows with petrodollar input because it encourages wasteful
allocation. Some peoples are better off with not having than with having.
Restricted input slows inflation. I'm wishing for foreign capital not finding
its way back into development of Iranian hydrocarbons. I think there is no
conceivable nuclear deal where Rouhani can both keep his consumer appeal and
serve national interests. I cannot guess which he will pick.

The rest is new information to me. Thanks.

And, Gwadar development?


#965 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Oct 13 11:25:46 2014:

> A nuclear deal with Iran won't end the Middle East's big Cold War
> 
> The truth is, it would change very little about the region's dynamic
> 
> By Kevin B. Sullivan | 6:05am ET
> 
> [...]
> 
> No matter who governs Iran, the country will always pursue its own
> interests in an otherwise unfriendly neighborhood, and a more democratic
> Iran certainly wouldn't guarantee a more pliant one. This leaves
> Washington with little choice but to pick a side and act accordingly.
> 
> A look at a map of Mideast military deployments suggests that the U.S.
> has done just that.

-- http://is.gd/cmD20t
-- (redirects to The Week)

Whoa, someone spelling truth out for Americans instead of lies and agitprop.
Now that's rare. A must-read article.


#966 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Oct 13 18:29:56 2014:

Cheney: 'Very Dangerous Period   More Threatening Than the Period 
Before 9/11'
'9/11 will turn out to be not nearly as bad as the next mass 
casualty attack against the United States'

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cheney-very-dangerous-period-
more-threatening-period-911_810984.html

What does Cheney know that we don't? Easy! 
---------------------------------------------
On the last point, Cheney surveyed the world -- particulary the 
Middle East -- and expressed concern about Iran getting nuclear 
weapons. If that happens, Cheney predicted, many other countries in 
the region would quickly acquire nuclear weapons, too.

"So we're in a very dangerous period and I think it's more 
threatening than the period before 9/11," Cheney predicted. "I think 
9/11 will turn out to be not nearly as bad as the next mass casualty 
attack against the United States--which, if and when it comes, will 
be with something far deadlier than [with] airline tickets and box 
cutters."

-------------------------------------------


#967 of 1674 by tod on Mon Oct 13 19:18:50 2014:

re #966
 What does Cheney know that we don't? Easy!

"In an exclusive interview with ABC News, Vice President Dick Cheney 
was asked what effect the grim milestone of at least 4,000 U.S. deaths 
in the five-year Iraq war might have on the nation... Noting the burden 
placed on military families, the vice president said the biggest burden 
is carried by President George W. Bush, who made the decision to commit 
US troops to war, and reminded the public that U.S. troops in Iraq
and Afghanistan volunteered for duty."

    -ABC News, 2008 http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Politics/story?id=4513250&page
=1

Remember: You're guilty for going along with Cheney and Bush's plans. 
They take no responsibility.


#968 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Oct 14 00:50:29 2014:

Obola and Bush make Clinton seem respectable. 


#969 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Oct 14 00:50:39 2014:

(Bill Clinton that is)


#970 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Oct 14 04:19:06 2014:

Re #968:
 
Strangely, I find your attitude about Obama as tired as the stupid middle
class Iranians' attitude about the Islamic Republic. The tired, stupid
attitudes are exhausing :-(


#971 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Oct 14 11:25:45 2014:

#970 Well, you can rest assured that I'll be just as unhappy with the 
next person due to lying, spying, waring, taxing, and other irritating 
factors. The negative pressure placed on my back, the bigger my tiring 
attitude. 


#972 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Oct 14 12:37:52 2014:

Re #971:

You reserve the strange names only for Democrats. I wouldn't be commenting
if you spoke as colorfully about Republicans.


#973 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Oct 14 12:54:51 2014:

#972 You have a short memory. 


#974 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Oct 14 14:20:07 2014:

Perhaps. Don't recall any names you gave Bush. Could be that I've forgotten.


#975 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Oct 14 14:41:53 2014:

#974 I was viciously against Bush. Lots of arguments with Zulu. Once 
Obama was in, Zulu started to align himself with me. I even pointed out 
on a few occasions that I hated Bush so much that I voted for Obama 
when it was clear that McCain was another Bush. I quickly regretted 
voting for Obama though once it was clear that he was just another 
puppet with different window dressing and different marketing. 


#976 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Oct 14 14:43:09 2014:

Look at my posts before 2009. 


#977 of 1674 by nharmon on Tue Oct 14 15:31:49 2014:

So who to support in 2016? Ted Cruz or Hillary Clinton? lol


#978 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Oct 14 15:58:18 2014:

Re #975:

Yup, you had mentioned the earlier Obama vote.

What usually gets me is the range of specifically physical, lowbrow insults
used for Obama. I hadn't seen anything like that before him, used against any
POTUS.

It's fine if I name him names. I'm not a US citizen and to me all POTUS's are
vile. The physical namecalling from Americans, in Obama's case, had me
surprised, though.


#979 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Oct 14 18:09:32 2014:

#977 I'll let you connect the dots: for the last election I wrote in 
Ron Paul.

#978 "What usually gets me is the range of specifically physical, 
lowbrow insults used for Obama. I hadn't seen anything like that 
before him, used against any POTUS."

You have to be kidding. The media and the public painted Bush as a 
mental retard and a lost child. I could point to countless 
references. 

"The physical name calling from Americans, in Obama's case, had me
surprised, though."

Every president in my lifetime has undergone the same treatment. It 
would be that people are more sensitive now because Obama is half-
black. Talking heads are eager to broad-brush all criticism of Obama 
racist. Wait until there's a woman in office.



#980 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Oct 14 18:39:32 2014:

Re #979:

Emphasis: physical. Attacks on other POTUS's mental capabilities have been
common enough. Maybe it's just me thinking B[ody] O[dor] is without precedent.


#981 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Oct 14 18:48:12 2014:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/archive/bush-monkey-cesca.jpg


#982 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Oct 14 18:48:29 2014:

Note the source.


#983 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Oct 14 21:52:03 2014:

Libertarian Senate candidate dies in plane crash right before election:
http://www.kcrg.com/subject/news/plane-crash-in-key-west-20141014


#984 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 15 01:13:34 2014:

Re #982:

Fair enough, but you aren't going to score a double because the source is
actually decrying that behavior:

> The right-wing talking heads have been hitting this "Bin Laden sounds
> like [insert Democratic name here]" talking point around the clock since
> the audio recording was released last week. The point seems to be that
> Bin Laden hates America; Bin Laden sounds like [Democrat]; therefore
> [Democrat] hates America.
> 
> [...]
> 
> I give you... the infamous "President Bush Looks Like A Monkey" montage
> (be kind to us, historians of the future).
> 
> Okay sure. He looks monkeyesque. But that doesn't mean he's literally a
> monkey. And when news of a monkey hits the mainstream media, has Chris
> Matthews wasted valuable spittle and airtime remarking, "You know that
> monkey looks an awful lot like George W. Bush (spit, spit, spit)."?
> 
> [...]
> 
> Comparing Bin Laden to Democrats shouldn't be the milieu of pundits --
> it's the milieu of right-wing comedians and satirists like, um... shoot.
> I can't think of any funny conservatives.
> 
> [...]
> 
> But it's grotesquely irresponsible for any semi-reputable member of the
> mainstream media to make this comparison considering how far removed
> they are from the context of satire. Either comparison: Bin Laden or
> Monkey.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/eUAzIR
-- (redirects to HuffPo)


#985 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 15 02:54:40 2014:

> So who to support in 2016? Ted Cruz or Hillary Clinton? lol

-- http://imgur.com/e8Db2lw


#986 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 15 08:16:04 2014:

Rare lucidity:

> Hawkish Projection and War with Iran
> 
> Richard Cohen bemoans Obama's lack of "menace":
> 
> [...]
> 
> [...] Tehran doesn't need to be frightened into believing that the U.S.
> will attack them. The greater danger in the negotiations with Iran is
> that they might not believe that the U.S. is willing or able to respect
> any deal that they make.
> 
> [...] The real problem isn't that Tehran doesn't take the possibility of
> American military action against their country seriously, but that such
> military action would be illegal and unpardonably stupid.
> 
> [comments section]
> 
> AGD says: October 14, 2014 at 10:36 pm
> 
> [...]
> 
> Future historians will be baffled: never before were so many so
> thoroughly deceived by so few.

-- http://is.gd/PmFiHZ
-- (redirects to The American Conservative)

I'd contest the 'never before' assertion but the gist of it is true.


#987 of 1674 by tod on Wed Oct 15 14:20:50 2014:

I supported Hillary Clinton in 2008.  Obama struck me as a rich
surfer kid from Hawaii with a silver spoon in his mouth just like
Al Gore.  His work in Chicago with the upper middle class Catholics
got twisted into a "he's an urban underdog" by Oprah's groupies.
McCain has always been an obvious nut to me.  S&L scandal and his
weirdness in the 90's with the blues brothers glasses and interviews
talking about sending hit squads into Vietnam to find MIAs.

Cruz or Clinton?  It's a nobrainers to me - Jim Webb.


#988 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Oct 15 14:29:16 2014:

#987 I think the safe bet for Democrat nomination is Elizabeth Warren. 
She's the underdog in the party with some cult status approval. The 
word is out on Hillary; that she's another neoliberal with warhawk 
tendencies. Warren is a liberal's liberal. If Jim Web is going to go 
anywhere, he's going to have to step into the light and he's going to 
have to duke it out with the Clinton machine. Good luck with that!


#989 of 1674 by tod on Wed Oct 15 14:36:54 2014:

I don't care about parties - Dem nor GOP.  Elizabeth Warren is one of the
Eurodollar trolls.  Have you read her books?  Jim Webb books are way
more humane. LOL


#990 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 15 17:39:20 2014:

Re #988:

> Liberals' darling Elizabeth Warren defends Israeli attacks on Gaza
> schools and hospitals

-- http://rt.com/usa/183744-elizabeth-warren-gaza-israel/

Tell me they aren't a bunch of cocksuckers.


#991 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Oct 15 23:16:46 2014:

#990 "Tell me they aren't a bunch of cocksuckers."

You won't hear any arguments from me. Warren is controlled just like the
rest  of them.

#989 I am anti-party so I hear you. Warren is dangerous IMO. She is
another  Obama in the making. PS Obama wrote great books too! LOL To be
honest I'm more  sickened and angry at what I see in government every
day. Look at what's  coming out of the CDC. MY GOD.


#992 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Oct 16 13:03:06 2014:

Little sidenote to tod: Armin Rosen and other Jewlets like him will be
remembered. Matthew 26:67. Mark my words.


#993 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Oct 16 15:53:31 2014:

Michelle Obama dances with a turnip: 
https://vine.co/v/OqJKZVQami9

She's really into fitness and health eating. :)


#994 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Oct 16 17:01:05 2014:

I like turnips, to be honest, and they're really beneficial in all sorts of
ways. Can publicity for turnips be bad, too?


#995 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Oct 16 17:07:40 2014:

I grew turnips in my garden this year. All root veggies are easy to 
grow. :)
I don't think turnips need publicity. Super Mario 2 put them on the 
map!


#996 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Oct 16 20:43:10 2014:

Well, I guess Michelle Obama was shone on by already-famous turnips then.

Still think it's good if it gets one more person to eat turnips. Zero cost,
positive outcome.


#997 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Oct 17 01:58:04 2014:

> Stagflation in Iran: Why President Rouhani's Neoliberal "Economic
> Package" is Empty
> 
> By Prof. Ismael Hossein-Zadeh

-- http://is.gd/X938JS
-- (redirects to GlobalResearch/CRG)

I agree with this Marxist-leaning academic ;-)


#998 of 1674 by tod on Fri Oct 17 05:38:47 2014:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt-ac6pstmM


#999 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Oct 17 12:03:43 2014:

-- http://imgur.com/FNg8JYq


#1000 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Oct 17 12:13:45 2014:

#999 The turban banana setup was lovely. The truck looked just fine.


#1001 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Oct 17 17:12:34 2014:

I think it's terrible in a number of ways.


#1002 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Oct 17 17:16:52 2014:

#1001 He's not Sikh but he's a Sultan of Swing! 
The conspiracy: there's a hidden message regarding American United 
Fruit Company atrocities.


#1003 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Oct 17 17:45:51 2014:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Webb

Cause of death: "Suicide"


#1004 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Oct 17 18:44:52 2014:

This response has been erased.



#1005 of 1674 by tod on Sat Oct 18 04:35:48 2014:

re #1003
Cause of death: secrets


#1006 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Oct 18 11:33:36 2014:

Two gunshot wounds to the head, it says. I don't know if that's possible as
a suicide.


#1007 of 1674 by tod on Sat Oct 18 15:16:41 2014:

J Edgar Hoover strangled Steve Jobs with a pair of panty hose for considering
encryption?
www.yahoo.com/tech/fbi-director-warns-that-smartphone-encryption-will-come-100
237542264.html

Mysterious deaths after meeting with "The Man"..cancers and heart attacks
within 90-120 days..why isn't the healthcare community warning us?


#1008 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Oct 18 17:19:23 2014:

Your fascism? My fascism!

> [...]
> 
> The opposition of left and right reflects a double heritage in the
> capitalist world: the Enlightenment (conservatism versus progress and
> movement, authoritarianism versus democracy) and the workers' movement
> (the rationale of capital versus that of socialism). Neither element of
> this heritage is a decisive presence in the societies of the periphery.
> Here, the left-right boundary is drawn by acceptance or rejection of
> really existing capitalism, that is to say, the globalization that has
> peripheralized the third world. For this reason the national liberation
> movement, in all its historical forms--bourgeois, popular, and
> socialist--constitutes a force on the left side of the world ledger and
> the most active social force in the third world. The adversary it faces
> there is the class of ruling subalterns and compradors, whose
> qualifications are those of collaborators, traitors, or colonial
> lackeys, according to current usage. There is no consensus there such as
> structures the Western societies. Rather, in the conjuncture of current
> events, local power is in reactionary hands, whether well-established or
> shaky, or else it has reverted to the forces of a nationalist movement.
> The West invariably opposes such movements. In some manner one ought
> therefore to oppose the real monolithic quality of these Western
> societies--behind their glued-on facades of pluralism--to the genuine
> pluralism of opinion in the peripheral societies of the South and East,
> whose differences are too explosive to be managed by a Western
> democracy.
> 
> Contrary to a tenacious prejudice, the ideologies of national liberation
> movements do not attribute responsibility for their countries'
> situations to external factors. Quite the contrary, the emphasis is
> usually placed on combatting the local forces and ideas that constitute
> the obstacles to progress. But it goes without saying--at least that is
> the general opinion among widely diverse national liberation
> movements--that all progressive movements enter into conflict with
> forces that impose themselves from outside. The world capitalist system
> is therefore not considered to be a neutral or ambiguous factor and a
> fortiori is not positive. [...]
> 
> A humane and progressive response to the problems of the contemporary
> world implies the construction of a popular internationalism that can
> engender a genuinely universalist value system, completing the
> unfinished projects of the Enlightenment and the socialist movement.
> This is the only way to build an effective front against the
> internationalism of capital and the false universalism of its value
> system.
> 
> On the internal level, social alliances which define the content of
> progressive strategies will necessarily produce alternatives for
> different regions. In the West, their bourgeois dimension--based on a
> long history that has led to advanced development--will remain prominent
> for quite a while. This does not preclude progressive socialization of
> the system and, in time, the emergence of the hegemony of the salaried
> strata. In the countries of the East, these alternatives will call for
> the liberation of society from the yoke of statism and a dialogue
> between socialism and capitalism. But in the third world, almost any
> alternative will imply reversal tendencies that are more radical than
> evolutionist, and the outright rejection of bourgeois subalternism. If,
> therefore, one is right to envision the substitution of popular control,
> national and regional, for the bourgeois vision of exclusive control by
> the market, the intense feeling of crisis which this choice implies will
> be more dramatic in the South and East than in the West. Failure to
> recognize this is sure to close off the response of people trapped in
> the hopelessness of antediluvian nationalisms and traditionalisms,
> whether religious or not.
> 
> [...]

-- Amin, Samir; "Empire of Chaos," pp. 27-29; Monthly Review Press, 1992


#1009 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Oct 19 00:03:21 2014:

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u1SG0xd5gg


#1010 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Oct 19 02:57:33 2014:

the scientific dictatorship gathering more Intel on the people
http://thehill.com/policy/technology/221182-fed-backed-twitter-study-draw
s- fire


#1011 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Oct 19 08:00:48 2014:

You're misrepresenting reality on #1010. It's damned both ways. Sniffing
(particular) liars out has become attractive because systematic lying in media
is taken to a whole new level.

> [...] and that the First Amendment means the government has no place in
> the newsroom.

But other cliques do?

One more clique, a less shady and more goofy one at that, can't make it any
worse than it is.


#1012 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Oct 19 11:46:03 2014:

They have gotten to you!


#1013 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Oct 19 14:01:18 2014:

That, or a university-run study with an NSF grant would see the light of day
while Twitter's (and NSA's) internal studies never do.


#1014 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Oct 19 16:29:04 2014:

Dirty deeds
http://thehill.com/policy/technology/221142-facebook-hits-dea-for-fake-
account


#1015 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Oct 19 16:47:46 2014:

Entrapment is an age-old police tactic. "Social media" doesn't change that.
Then there's this:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Big_%28police_procedure%29

It's pretty much certain USG has an army of skiddies kept on leash by that
tactic.

Or how about this:

> During his years as an activist, Amir became friendly with Avishai
> Raviv, to whom he revealed his plan to kill Rabin. While Raviv posed as
> a right-wing radical, he was working for Shin Bet, the Israeli internal
> security service. Some rightists have accused the Shin Bet of having
> orchestrated the assassination to discredit them.

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yigal_Amir

(Actually, it's probable that Peres ordered it.)


#1016 of 1674 by tod on Mon Oct 20 01:20:03 2014:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw9SvCiJm1k


#1017 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Oct 20 17:24:22 2014:

Savage executions by savages. Executable crimes include "non-violent or 
victimless crimes like adultery, apostasy and witchcraft", "drug 
smuggling or sorcery."

http://news.yahoo.com/saudi-arabia-steps-beheadings-see-political-
message-135614570.html;_ylt=AwrBJR6GKUVUuicAObDQtDMD

Protesting = witchcraft
For that reason I wish all the upheaval and torment upon the rulers of 
Saudi Arabia. 


#1018 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Oct 20 17:32:09 2014:

> Maher: Stephen Harper and the 'merchant of venom'

-- http://o.canada.com/news/party-of-one-harper-and-the-merchant-of-venom

And this is where the venom comes from:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_J._Finkelstein

Jew filth, as usual, bringing decadence everywhere.

Now you know what fueled Canada's recent U-turn.


#1019 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Oct 20 18:40:21 2014:

Re #1017:

None of those are victimless crimes. Except perhaps apostasy and that, too,
depends. I don't agree with beheading as a method of capital punishment,
though. Also, certainly don't agree with killing people for drug smuggling
while governments themselves engage in it. The whole 'war on drugs' thing is
a hypocritical scam.

Capital punishment for adultery is far too excessive. Apostasy as a criminal
title is essentially definining a thought crime. I can understand why the
crumbling belief system of a besieged society feels threatened by it,
nonetheless.


#1020 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Oct 20 19:05:56 2014:

#1018 In America, those attack ads are viewed as "free speech" but only 
for corporations as regular Joe's can't donate endlessly to them.

So a guy named Finkelstein is behind such ads in Canada so they are 
"Jew filth?" What an overly simplistic view! Perhaps you could be 
persuaded to see the ads a different way:

http://www.aapac.org/


#1021 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Oct 20 19:07:19 2014:

#1019 "I can understand why the crumbling belief system of a besieged 
society feels threatened by it, nonetheless."

? 
Please elaborate.


#1022 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Oct 20 22:58:57 2014:

Re #1020:

He is Jew filth because the turn of Canadian politics brought about by these
underhanded methods further serves his Jew-filthy purposes. You need to have
been following that mentioned U-turn to see how it goes.

Primary sign of Jew filth infiltration in a powerful country's politics is
a visible and sudden urge in rulers to lick Israel's anus for no well-defined
strategic or tactical reasons. The turn usually accompanies misleading
rhetoric about how "Western" "values"--typically not even the actual Western
values, rather hollow behavioral trappings--are awesome, the Gog and Magog
are waiting on the other side of the dam, and Jew filth is the only thing
that's keeping the hordes away. All false.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Re #1021:

Arabs and Iranians (and various other people of the Global South) have been
used on a chessboard by others like the little mindless pawns they--and
general average people anywhere--are for easily 150 years. The number and
strength of tugging forces involved would've torn any less ancient and
coherent cultural fabric apart. It has not managed to fully do so. However,
it has created islets of population without direction and without any sense
of social cohesion. Against these tides, to such populations that have lost
faith in their own cultural continuation, any twig looks like a good thing
to hang on to. Instead of flexible core ideas of identity a variety of petty
details alleviate their continuation anxiety. It's like having an assortment
of measly rods and disparate servos instead of a self-adjusting moral
musclo-skeletal system.

In turn the enemies of these peoples, primary among them Jews, lose no chance
to highlight these details for gain. It provides little mindless pawns in the
West with distraction from largely similar ills of their own daily lives and
further polarizes the target groups. If you suggest here, for example, that
'death for adultery' is excessive today and that the core idea behind is was
ensuring fidelity which no longer applies anyhow given the size of populations
and their distribution--when in history did people live in so many cities of
millions or moved around so easily?--the response you get is that _because_
it is highlighted by the enemies there must be some inherent value to that
penalty which is iring the enemies and that makes it worth applying again.

The House of Saud or some of powerful Iranian clerics may have these
ideologies but the reason they do is how the body of the society responds
favorably to these and perceives the ideologues as furthering social good.
Without the ado and the manipulation reformers would have a much easier time
garnering an attentive populace.

Back when Jefferson wrote of 'meanness and hypocrisy' his plea to reform or
constrain New England's zealots was not hampered by hordes of bought-and-paid
internal traitors; his physical defenses were cocooned between two oceans;
his intentions were not smeared by lying and self-serving expat attack dogs
kept on leash by sworn enemies of the American populace; irrelevant bullshit
and consumer temptation did not take a split second to reach all his audience.
He had it easy. Even his adversaries were more human and had a more
introspective, skeptically-qualified view of their fighting, its necessity,
and its purposes.

Compared to the average American today even Cecil Rhodes was a fine chap.
Maybe... particularly Cecil Rhodes.


#1023 of 1674 by tod on Tue Oct 21 02:27:39 2014:

re #1022
 Back when Jefferson wrote of 'meanness and hypocrisy' his plea to reform or
 constrain New England's zealots was not hampered by hordes of bought-and-paid
 internal traitors; his physical defenses were cocooned between two oceans;
 his intentions were not smeared by lying and self-serving expat attack dogs
 kept on leash by sworn enemies of the American populace

Tell that to Mercer


#1024 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Oct 21 05:33:22 2014:

Re #1023:

No idea what that means.


#1025 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Oct 21 11:00:14 2014:

#1022 Thank you for the well thought out response. I had to read it 
a couple times to figure out what you were getting at. The Jefferson 
quote actually put it in perspective. 

Jefferson's call for religious freedom was not met with enemies 
because for the vast majority, the appeal of the "new world" (tell 
that to the Native Americans!) *was* religious freedom. There was no 
ACLU, no hordes of secular and atheist shoppers/godless college 
professors. The perspective for most was much much different because 
of the average person's way of life. Primary means of transportation 
was walking and horse. People had to kill an animal or forage for 
grains to eat. No running water or toilets. Hardships make the soul 
humble and because of this I believe is where the appeal of religion 
and religious freedom is rooted from.

With all that in mind I can see why adultery would be met with the 
response. I do not have the perspective or life experience to agree 
but I do understand. 


#1026 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Oct 21 12:42:16 2014:

Re #1025:

> OpEdNews Op Eds 3/8/2006 at 12:54:51
> 
> Moral Endo-skeletons and Exo-skeletons: A Perspective on America's
> Cultural Divide and Current Crisis

-- http://is.gd/F9yWka
-- (redirects to OpEdNews.com)


#1027 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Oct 21 18:10:47 2014:

> Head of Iran's chief clerical body dead at 83

-- http://news.yahoo.com/head-irans-chief-clerical-body-dead-83-074934046.h
tml

Read the comments for a taste of contemporary America.


#1028 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Oct 21 18:52:42 2014:

Where is contemporary Iran commenting?


#1029 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Oct 21 19:22:24 2014:

Plenty on FB and the like. In English, too.

Better yet, learn Persian, other Iranian languages, and Arabic. There's plenty
to read. You don't expect Iranians to comment only in your language, do you?

For an Iranian sort of "social network" start here:

-- http://cloob.com/

For news and discussion:

-- http://www.alef.ir/
-- http://www.tabnak.ir/
-- http://www.sharghdaily.ir/
-- http://www.etemaad.ir/

(Tod's perception of how speech works in the Islamic Republc often cracks me
up.)

Persian-speaking blogosphere is rife with comments, too. I'm often surprised
by how nonchalantly Iranians handle the American venom spat at them. I myself
don't have that manner of generosity and patience. In the meantime, learning
Mandarin and Russian would be nice, too.


#1030 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Oct 21 20:31:50 2014:

"You don't expect Iranians to comment only in your language, do you?"

Absolutely not. My great grandparents did not speak english when they
came  to this country. Their children picked up english on the streets
during the  great depression. We all have to do what he have to. From
what I can tell,  most people who choose to be bilingual do so out of a
need to relate to  their ancestry. Others do so for work. I would not
really gain much by  learning any language other than German or Spanish
for engineering. I do not  plan to move so for right now I'm okay. I
have gone through some Rosetta  Stone disks for German. It was
interesting and I will eventually go through  them all. My dad is
half-German so my last name is Germanic. In the past I  worked for a
German company (8 years). I regretted not knowing their  language. It
would have helped my career and still would because so many  high paying
engineering jobs in Michigan are with German companies.


#1031 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Oct 21 20:32:37 2014:

PS I will check out those links. Thanks.


#1032 of 1674 by tod on Tue Oct 21 23:47:23 2014:

re #1028
I'm glad to crack you up, my friend :)

I checked out cloob job opportunities.  Colorful to say the least

Web Graphics
Dominate the basics of web pages, fluent in HTML / CSS / JavaScript
In Tehran, welcoming, caring, hard-working, energetic, creative, detailed,
stylish, tasteful, loves design, fast

Expert web developer
Familiarity with PHP, MySQL, HTML, CSS, JavaScript
In Tehran, welcoming, caring, hard-working, intelligent, energetic,
responsible, willing to learn, fast

Expert Mobile Programmer
Fluent in programming Android or IOS
In Tehran, welcoming, caring, hard-working, intelligent, energetic,
responsible, willing to learn, fast, experienced

PR Expert
Dominate the online space equations, familiar with social networking and
electronic publishing environments, associated with paper-based media.
In Tehran, a very good-tempered, high social intelligence, self-confident,
eloquent 

I might make a cloob account and see what's what.  Would be cool maybe..
Couldn't be any worse than ro.netlog.com or twoo.com

Wonder if kittens and bacon photos will get me banned?
http://www.infosecurity.pro/cloobadeh.jpg



#1033 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 22 02:40:15 2014:

Re #1032:

Now show me your VK profile >:-)

What's the strange surname supposed to mean?

I don't think kittens would get you banned. Bacon would probably invite
questions about where you got it:

-- http://www.gourmand.ir/node/109

Here's how to make something bacon-esque with calf meat, without curing salt
which the author warns against because of (naturally) nitrosamines:

-- http://www.shamshiricafe.com/2011/09/blog-post_24.html


#1034 of 1674 by tod on Wed Oct 22 04:44:36 2014:

re #1033
Surname: Splash

After looking at those links, I'm suddenly craving mediterranean pizza


#1035 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 22 08:07:40 2014:

Re #1034:

Re. 'splash,' I see. Machine--or expat?--translation messed it up a little.
Instead of onomatopoeia for a splash you got one for a drooly round of kisses.
It's the little things that give people away ;-)

On that note, a hippie:

> USAID: A CIA Front 'In Desperate Need of Adult Supervision'
> 
> [...]
> 
> According to a recent article in the The Weekly Standard, in 2009, just
> three years before his capture in Syria, Foley worked for USAID-funded
> development projects in Baghdad. And then in 2011, he "moved to Libya"
> briefly where he was eventually kidnapped and held for over a month.
> Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg writes:
> 
> "This guy has a resume that reads more like a James Bond film script
> than that of a journalist with a teaching background. He works for USAID
> in 2009 in Iraq, then he finds himself kidnapped in Libya two years
> later by Gaddafi forces. Then, after all of this, he finds himself
> captured in Syria, only to be beheaded two years later by ISIS (the
> terror organization funded by our ally Saudi Arabia)."
> 
> What else was James Foley doing for USAID?
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/8Uc5oP
-- (redirects to 21st Century Wire)

Or another hippie...

> SOTLOFF STILL ALIVE [or not]

-- http://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2014/09/sotloff-still-alive.html

(I added the note in brackets.)

> "I don't really share my values and opinions," he replied. "I try to
> stay alive." When I suggested that the jig would be up if someone as
> much as Googled his name, he replied simply: "Yeah, Google definitely
> isn't my friend."

-- http://is.gd/RDOrZI
-- (redirects to Politico)

Or he does/did?

> The Muslim Brotherhood's Legitimate Grievances
> 
> Steven Sotloff

-- http://is.gd/0gaFDx
-- (redirects to World Affairs Journal)

The article is undated.


#1036 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Oct 22 13:13:37 2014:

smh


#1037 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 22 13:28:36 2014:

At what?


#1038 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Oct 22 13:40:42 2014:

More Jew rag propaganda? I thought Iran was more progressive than 
this.

"Iran: Motorcycle Acid Gangs 'Terrorising Women' who Break Islamic 
Dress Code"

Demonstrators have gathered outside government buildings in Isfahan 
and Tehran, in protest at the recent spate of acid attacks on women 
in Iran.

Security forces reportedly tried to disperse the demonstration at 
the Iranian parliament building in Isfahan, calling it a "political" 
gathering.

In the past two weeks, a number of women have had sulphuric acid 
thrown on their face and bodies by a group of motorcyclists. It is 
believed the motive of the attacks was to target women who were not 
wearing the Islamic dress code in public places.

At least a dozen women have been attacked with acid in the city of 
Isfahan while at least four women were victims of similar attacks in 
the Iranian capital of Tehran.

One of the women was reportedly warned by an anonymous text message 
that she would be have acid thrown at her if she did not cover up 
properly. The woman was identified only by the name Haniyeh.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/iran-motorcycle-acid-gangs-terrrorising-
women-who-break-islamic-dress-code-1471256


#1039 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Oct 22 13:41:14 2014:

#1037 At the farce. It sickens me.


#1040 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 22 14:57:38 2014:

Re #1038:

Nope, not propaganda. Crimes have nothing to do with "progressivism." Iran
is not more or less "progressive" than anything.

Acid attacks happen in Iran, rarely, and largely out of personal motivations.
Jilted suitors and revenge being the most common ones. Think Lisa Nowak. They
happen on a daily basis in Pakistan and India. In Iran they are far less
common than being killed (lawfully or unlawfully) by the police in the US,
by a factor of perhaps 1 to 100.

The response is indeed orchestrated by Jew rags and consists of these
elements:

1. premature identification of perpetrator ("must be religious
conservatives"),

2. false attribution of motivation ("must be due to how they were dressed and
offended religious sensibilities"),

3. false depiction of social depth ("must be the culture"),

4. public hysteria ("RAAAAAPE!").

---------------------------------------

Now for the facts:

1. Acid attacks against women--women only, because that's what the Western
handlers of Iranian "reforms" have conditioned their audience on--is a chronic
topic in Iranian "reformist" media, only in times there's a "reformist"
president is in power. Under the previous "reformist" administration, Khatami
(1997 - 2005), this exact media parade was conducted.

2. One of the victims in the recent cases was a chador-clad woman. Chador is
that full-length square of cloth they wrap around them and you're told to be
scared of because it's a great place to hide a Kalash. I'll let you infer.

3. A published study [A] of 'acid burn violence in Iran' over a six-year
period (2004 - 2010) found 59 victims presented at an advanced burn treatment
hospital, of whom 51% were male and 49% female. I'll let you infer.

4. The acid attack motif has been amply used by certain people [B] to slander
Iran's 1979 revolution. My parents were there so I know a bit or two about
who is lying. I can inform you that he is a liar. Take of it what you will.

5. Any permanent physical injury is covered in Iran's penal code--backed by
evil evil Shari'a Taqiyya Kitman Burqa Pedophile Terror--under 'qisas'
(retaliation in kind). A victim of acid attack can request the state to cause
the same harm to the perpetrator; or they can forgive the perpetraor. Both
qisas and forgiveness have occurred in past criminal cases. However, bleeding
hearts pointed out the image of the state gouging the eyes of a perpetrator
out is not to the liking of the Western anuses they like to lick. So in a
rather publicized case a victim was pressured, by "human rights" activists,
to forgive, which she did. In response, the Islamic Republic passed a separate
law for acid attacks making them a state-decreed capital offense separate from
application of qisas, removing the victim's choice to forgive.

---------------------------------------

[A] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3293230/

[B] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afshin_Molavi


#1041 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 22 15:07:37 2014:

P.S. The numbers on #1038 are also false.


#1042 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Oct 22 16:36:21 2014:

"the Islamic Republic passed a separate law for acid attacks making 
them a state-decreed capital offense separate from application of 
qisas, removing the victim's choice to forgive."

Forgiveness is free and deterrents are somewhat useful. Can't argue 
with the republic here. 


#1043 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Oct 22 16:37:56 2014:

On a side note, I would find it difficult to drive a motorcycle and 
throw acid at the same time. I'm not coordinated enough to shift gears 
and pull in the clutch and accelerate while throwing acid. That's 
talent!


#1044 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 22 17:08:44 2014:

Qisas is a far more reasonable mechanism for responding to violent crime than
fixed punishments meted out by the state. The choice is given to those truly
grieved and the punishment is to be as close to the crime as possible. The
Islamic Republic's decision to supplement qisas with a fixed punishment is
a PR response to "human rights" asslickers. People who oppose this on
principle are fools or charlatans.

Have a dose of Shari'a:

-- http://quran.com/16/123-128

Must be noted I don't have the grace or forgiveness of Mozzies and American
niggers. Had my atheist fascist notions been current among either group today
there would not be a square inch of the Jew-SA unraked.


#1045 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 22 17:10:05 2014:

'This' in 'oppose this' being retaliation in kind for violent crime.


#1046 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Oct 23 16:48:46 2014:

Ameriicaaa...

> Hundreds protest against Iran acid attacks

-- http://is.gd/I6U29g
-- (redirects to Yahoo News)

Try comments again, for another taste of contemporary America. Ignorance,
utter stupidity, and sheer psychopathic malice. What a grand cocktail have
Jews mixed. No wonder they get to throw their weight around.

How idiotic these Iranians who play into those filthy hands.


#1047 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Oct 23 17:19:23 2014:

#1046 You are condemning protesters who are outraged by crime? 

Let's just say that the issue is small and they are overreacting. Does 
that mean the protesters are really bad people or "idiotic?"

PS I was denied access to the comments. "Sorry, we are having trouble 
connecting right now. Please try again."


#1048 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Oct 23 18:04:00 2014:

Re #1047:

The issue is not that they react; rather how they react. Correct reaction:
they should work harder, demand and give out fewer bribes, blunt their greed,
delay their gratification, make a more prosperous country with better
education and more humane public atmosphere, and raise their children well
so in the future there will be fewer perpetrators.

These types also "protest" low wages for labor. Then when they hire a day
laborer to do a job at their home they do all they can to cut the fellow's
pay. My "protest" to low wage is to pay any laborer I hire more than he
expects, and then some if he does a good job. Let him negotiate with the next
one knowing his work is worth more.

Protest? Whom are they protesting at? What are their demands? What can be
changed about this matter? Who can enact such changes? What are the photo ops
for? What response does it attract from the Western gallery of psychopaths,
charlatans, and fools at a critical juncture of their country's history? Why
is there a hysteria only when "social media" tells them "dozens of women" have
been attacked? Where are these ignorant fools when sly economic and political
tweaks are slipped into their country's culture, economy, and governance?
(Answer to last question: they're idly scratching their butts at those times,
watching Beyonce's latest. I'm not exaggerating.)

Reality check: 4 women; more men are subject to this type of attack than
women, perennially; the number and importance of these attacks pale against
other instances of violent crime in Iran, such as armed robbery; Iran was and
remains (until these idiots finally get their ways) one of world's safe
countries with a low rate of violent crime _despite_ a growing culture of
shamelessness, daylight thuggery, and insatiable greed--all driven by
imperatives of neoliberal global expansion--among not-so-distant relatives
of these same fools.

The feeble-minded tools who today demand "strong government response to
violence" will tomorrow be driven by the same CIA-run "social media" to
protest the hanging of a violent criminal because--of course!--little bobo
has no fault. "The society made him so." If you want an analogue these idiots
are the soda-tax "liberals" of Iran. In case of the US soda-tax "liberals"
are of much less import but the Iranian ones are essential to Western PR.
That's why they're wagged every so often.

(Sometimes I wonder if there's any sense to caring about a nation that doesn't
think, much less care, about itself. It's kind of like having co-dependence
on a drug addict.)


#1049 of 1674 by tod on Fri Oct 24 04:16:38 2014:

re #1035
 Instead of onomatopoeia for a splash you got one for a drooly round of
kisses.
 It's the little things that give people away ;-)

Smooches


#1050 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Oct 24 06:46:56 2014:

Re #1049:

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ao9D8rctsM


#1051 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Oct 24 09:22:35 2014:

Time for... Jew logic (and Jew loyalty):

> Election 2014: Your vote counts on whether Iran will go nuclear
> 
> It's become obvious in the US-Iran negotiations that the US
> administration will not stop Iran from going nuclear. Only Congress can.
> And you will elect Congress.
> 
> [...]
> 
> A nuclear Iran would endanger Israel, thus dramatically increasing that
> country's willingness to launch a preemptive attack on Iran. This could
> easily trigger a massive conventional war in the Middle East that would
> make this past summer's 50-day war between Israel and Hamas look like
> child's play.
> 
> [...]

-- http://www.ijn.com/editorial/4996-election-2014-vote-counts-iran-nuclear

There's an idiom for that here: "nurturing vipers in your own sleeve."

Jews vote for Jewistan. That's their job in the Jew-SA. WASPs should send them
all to the Promised Land then?


#1052 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Oct 24 10:50:27 2014:

"Sometimes I wonder if there's any sense to caring about a nation 
that 
doesn't think, much less care, about itself. It's kind of like 
having 
co-dependence on a drug addict."

FWIW I feel like this too. The irony is (at least for myself) the 
lefties who take on leftist causes are usually most likely to be the 
most drastically effected when their social cause of the moment 
turns 
into government overreach via taxes and brute force. 

#1051 The only thing I'm irritated about after reading half (that 
was all I could take) of that editorial: making every American 
politician blindly swear allegiance to Israeli causes. When I swear 
allegiance I first ask myself if the relationship is mutually 
beneficial. Is it for America? Is it for the politician? What have 
you done for me baby? WHY do I have to buy birthday presents for my 
brother's kids when he buys none for my kid? He doesn't even show up 
to the party!? 


#1053 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Oct 24 11:46:23 2014:

Um, Jews vote, pay, and pull strings for Izzy. That's where their loyalty is.
Politicians want votes, money, and manipulation to get into or stay in power.
Jews are extremely overrepresented in the US, in every respect, so politicians
know which hands they have to kiss. It is beneficial for the politicians
involved.

That's the "symbiosis" of Izzy and America. All other land patches of Middle
East are similarly, possibly more, useful as imperial footholds as far America
is concerned. That particular patch is colonized by an overrepresented
disloyal minority that change American politics from within.


#1054 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Oct 24 12:16:33 2014:

"Jews make up 2.2 percent of the American population, a percentage that 
has held steady for the past two decades. The survey estimates there 
are 5.3 million Jewish adults as well as 1.3 million children being 
raised at least partly Jewish.
Poll Shows Major Shift in Identity of U.S. Jews - NYTimes.com
www.nytimes.com/.../us/poll-shows-major-shift-in-ide...The New York 
Times"

2.2%. Pandering to 2.2% is quite foolish IMO. Not enough gravy to cover 
even part of the potatoes. 


#1055 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Oct 24 12:51:17 2014:

1. An awful lot of money,
2. mostly ill-gained,
3. is in a tiny number of hands,
4. disproportionately those of Jews,
5. at an even larger disproportion in the Jew-SA.

The following is about billionaires with nuggets about multimillionaires and
millionaires. The next tier is > 250K USD/year earners and those matter, too.

With the right bankrolling instrumentation Ellison alone can buy and sell all
of US Congress. Murdoch alone can guarantee the ascent or descent of any
public figure.

Furthermore, these imperatives are not at odds with general
neo{liberal,conservative} imperatives and other pushers of "[Kissinger's]
world order." They mostly align. Likewise, the Evangelical business not only
does not clash with these but also puts more wind in their sails. It has
successfully rewritten Christianity times over--one more time over the last
three decades didn't cost it any and put it in mutual service with
neo{liberal,conservative} camps as it fought the socialist-leaning liberation
theology and other anti-colonial religious forces of the Global South.

> Forbes Israel boasts of power of Jewish billionaires
> 
> The illustration is the cover of Forbes Israel. The date is April 2013.
> It just hit the net. The title is "The Billionaires."  The banner on the
> right says, "Special Edition, 165 Jewish billionaires, 17 Israelis, 16
> [Jewish] women, 812 cumulative billions (of billionaires wealth)."
> 
> That's 165 out of a total of 1426 billionaires in the world, or 11%. One
> of us (Phil) likes to write about the new position of Jews
> sociologically: and out of the 50 richest people in the world, about a
> quarter are Jewish. Most of those Jewish billionaires appear to be
> American, though this is an Israeli publication.
> 
> [...]

-- http://mondoweiss.net/2013/04/forbes-jewish-billionaires
+
-- http://www.jspace.com/news/articles/the-jewish-billionaires-of-forbes/80
44
+
-- http://politicsinn.com/48-percent-of-u-s-billionaires-are-jewish/


#1056 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Oct 24 13:07:33 2014:

Did I mention cryptology and domination or infiltration of
intelligence/security apparatus for a considerable period of time mean you
can blackmail and/or bribe probably any politician?

Or that high-level involvement with "defense" industries of the West means
a whisper from you could be worth a few milllion votes?

With a population of 8 million Izzy sold 773 million USD of weapons in 2013
(while needing to be bankrolled at American expense to the tune of 500 million
in just one "war" in 2014?!). By comparison, Russia sold 8283 million USD with
a population of 143 million. That is, per capita Izzy sells somewhat less than
twice Russia's per capita sales in weapons; and Russia is the world's top
exporter of arms by dollar value. The US provided at least 2 billion USD of
military aid to Izzy in the same year...


#1057 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Oct 24 15:44:30 2014:

There is one Jew hater that has repeatedly escaped political 
correctness even many many years after his death - Henry Ford. I just 
saw this today:
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/retail/2014/10/23/shinola-
makes-henry-ford-pocket-watch/17811193/

Henry Ford is continually revered and the media does not enforce PC. 
Honestly up until maybe 6 or 7 years ago I didn't know that Ford 
published the International Jew, supported nazis and got a medal from 
the Germans before WWII. I do admire him tremendously but i see the Jew 
hatred as ignorance and a major character flaw. 


#1058 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Oct 24 19:50:53 2014:

Well, if you don't see the differences we can wait for a time you will.


#1059 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Oct 25 15:49:57 2014:

Where moneyed minorities get you:

> Lost in the debate about Raji's origins is the question of whether--be
> she Iranian-American or Indian-American--she has any qualifications to
> be ambassador to Sweden. Her bio on the White House website betrays
> none. A former investment banker, California-based Raji served as
> national vice-chair of finance, and she was one of the top bundlers who
> raised millions for Obama's presidential campaign in 2012.

--
http://qz.com/286962/this-is-how-the-media-turned-an-iranian-into-an-indian
/

LOL.


#1060 of 1674 by tod on Sat Oct 25 23:34:22 2014:

http://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2014/09/18/chimpanzees-born-killers-say
s-n
ew-study/


#1061 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Oct 26 00:49:00 2014:

> [...] and the old fellow loved a joke better than a good dinner


#1062 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Oct 26 09:14:48 2014:

Hey tod, check Iran news. See how what Khamenei months ago said came true?
"Once the nuclear clamor dies down they will be moving on to the governance
of this country."

Opinions? Whose script was this from? Who benefts from continued provocation
of Iran and who controls the media?


#1063 of 1674 by tod on Sun Oct 26 15:49:18 2014:

Are the acid attacks on improperly veiled women part of that government
control or a diversion?  I would say the media is controlled from within
since the propaganda machine to divert attention from the foreign policy
aspects seems to be working.


#1064 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Oct 26 16:30:13 2014:

Re #1063:

There's no such thing as 'acid attacks on improperly veiled women.' Been
discussed here. Non-existent. False.

The spinning is occurring elsewhere:

-- https://twitter.com/Irpoliticalpris/status/522093783463120896

Those are MEK. Who enables MEK? Is the IRI response to any move from or
associated with MEK fully understood or not?


#1065 of 1674 by tod on Sun Oct 26 17:54:23 2014:

re #1064
Is there such thing as rape?
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/breaking-iran-executes-reyhaneh-jabbari-26-year-ol
d-w
oman-who-killed-her-rapist-1471698


#1066 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Oct 26 18:28:31 2014:

Re #1065:

False news. You get your news from all the wrong places. That's exactly what
I asked of you: why are these lies being spread?

1. Negative rape kit.

2. She alleges attempted rape. No evidence of rape exists.

3. Prosecution included evidence that she had purchased the instrument of
murder--a large kitchen knife--two days prior and texted a friend three days
prior about the intent to murder. The knife did not belong anywhere in or
around the scene of crime.

4. The story given by Amnesty and HRW is simply impossible in Iranian context.
You don't have 19-year-old girls working as indepedent interior designers,
meeting clients in cafes no less. The most likely course of events is that
she was a prostitute who decided to murder her client.

5. The victim was stabbed multiple times the back while she claims
self-defense.

6. Are you insane? What benefit would it have to the state to punish a victim?
This case had already been festering for 7 years.

So, back to the question: why are these lies being spread in chorus?


#1067 of 1674 by nharmon on Mon Oct 27 01:51:54 2014:

Why do you not have 19 year old girls working as independent interior
designers?


#1068 of 1674 by tod on Mon Oct 27 03:27:20 2014:

re #1067
They are working as prostitutes - that's why! :)


#1069 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Oct 27 09:37:47 2014:

Re #1067:

The social structure doesn't permit such thing. Younger men and women tend
to need a much higher amount of rapport to be able to work independently. The
usual course of a youth's life goes through either university and a 4-year
degree through which they both age and attain a piece of paper seen as proof
of their relevance (credentialist mores), or through a number of low-status
jobs working for someone else well into their 30's. Exceptions to this are
rare and of those exceptions the absolute majority are nurtured by family.

You won't see any 19-year-olds in this country running a freelance business
in cities. Particularly not any women. If it's a man he could be running a
very low-status sort of such, doing unskilled or semi-skilled manual labor.
If you see a very "independent"-spirited working woman of such age around here
you can safely bet you've found yourself the enterprising young prostitute.

There is also the economic structure hindering such thing. Labor is divided
between a large, ineffective informal economy (which mostly evades tax) and
a bloated, inefficient formal economy. The informal economy is mostly
family-run and involves hereditary agricultural or husbandry work or
mercantile works (which is a nice way to say they're opportunistic buyers and
sellers). Both require long periods of "apprenticeship"--essentially informal
indentured servitude, within a traditional family or clan-type strcuture--to
attain the means and room in the market to work. The formal economy is mainly
state-run or tied to rent seekers, is highly credentialist, and has a large
pool of applicants with 4-year or higher degrees to choose from. A 4-year
degree puts the applicant at 22 or higher when starting work.

There's no clean, non-shady launchpad job to make a young person indepedendent
or at least less needy while they get ready for a professional job. The
(extended) family is that launchpad, always. There's no 'working retail' or
'working as a waiter/waitress/"barista".' The equivalent of 'working retail'
in terms of pay is tough, masculine labor in an extremely sleazy informal
mercantile sector. Recently the option is open to females in that status of
doing hospitability jobs. Those are far from being seen (and compensated) as
"real jobs" and far from being common either.

Not that this has any bearing on the other facts of this case.

Personal trivia: the current chairman of society of earthquake engineering
in a Scandinavian country is a man my mother helped support through that
4-year supportless phase of youth, being his aunt. An example of how that
works here. A very common pattern of support coming from parents and if they
fail to do so from family beyond them, seen as a duty. If you don't have the
(extended) family you're very much screwed.


#1070 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Oct 27 09:44:03 2014:

Er, hospitality job.


#1071 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Oct 27 11:15:39 2014:

#1069 Interesting portrait of work life. We can see much of what you 
described (apprenticeship with families) among immigrant groups in 
America. It is a superior system IMO because it's mutually 
beneficial to the person working their way up in the world and the 
family that is helping. That type of arrangement existed with the 
early colonists here. Families working together in farms and other 
enterprises (country store, blacksmith shop, textiles, etc.) 
Neighbors helping raise and burn barns and so on. It was after WWII 
when industrialization and consumerism fully took hold and the focus 
on the individual aka individualism became the mantra. 

What happens to the interior designers once they reach an age where 
their service is not desirable or appealing?


#1072 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Oct 27 11:57:05 2014:

Re #1071:

Those older forms of social organization are juxtaposed in Iran with newer
forms without much scaffolding, creating a ruthless environment for young
people.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> What happens to the interior designers once they reach an age where
> their service is not desirable or appealing?

If that's about actual interior designers, there is social security for them.
Once they're old they retire and this:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_Organization_(Iran)

pays them a pension based on their payments into the system and other factors
written into labor law.

I believe it's going to be insolvent soon enough, though. Sounds familiar?


#1073 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Oct 27 12:03:06 2014:

Same link as #1072, because Backtalk apparently likes to botch the closing
parenthesis:

-- http://is.gd/6fWcpq


#1074 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Oct 27 13:31:40 2014:

Oops, found another whore:

> The Exiled Heart: A New York Times Correspondent's Story of Fleeing Iran
> with Her Family

-- http://is.gd/A6MHiI
-- (redirects to Vogue)

Compare that whore to this woman with an actual career:

> This Iranian Photographer is Tired of Explaining Life in Iran

-- http://is.gd/HSjWZk
-- (redirects to the New Republic)

Always baffles me how many whores of both sexes Iran manages to produce.


#1075 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Oct 27 13:49:12 2014:

#1072 I meant the prostitutes. 

That's nice that there's a security for retirees there. As far as 
insolvencies are concerned, our entire government system is insolvent. 
Try tell that to anyone here though and it's fighting words. People are 
stubborn and ignorant. They don't want to hear negative news. It's 
unAmerican. *rolls eyes*


#1076 of 1674 by nharmon on Mon Oct 27 16:01:20 2014:

> Always baffles me how many whores of both sexes Iran manages to produce.

Really? The last sentence you wrote in 1069 seems to explain very clearly how
Iran manages.


#1077 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Oct 27 17:05:53 2014:

False flags attacks almost always follow emergency drills. 
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1039198/pg1


#1078 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Oct 27 17:38:38 2014:

Re #1076:

> Really? The last sentence you wrote in 1069 seems to explain very
> clearly how Iran manages.


By being a traditional society in transition?

Did North America produce whores in droves as it transitioned to modernity?

In this specific case, did you notice the traitorous whore in question is
actually an upper middle class woman whose rent-seeking family "fled" (read:
left of their own volition) the country with considerable sums gleaned from
corruption under pre-revolution governments to live in luxury abroad?

My personal hypothesis involves easy oil money allowing the country to afford
80 years of autocracy on part of the elite; rent seeking and graft on part
of upper and middle classes; undue expectations for making it big quick and
corresponding small-scale corruption on part of the up-and-coming lower
classes. I think oil has been a plague for Iran.

(If unclear, I didn't use whore in the sexual sense. I have a wee bit of
sympathy for people who sell their bodies out of necessity, or even out of
plain greed. It's a sort of honest work. More respectable than financial work
in which I engage at times.)


#1079 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Oct 27 18:58:35 2014:

A brief return to the question tod evaded: why are lies being spread about
Iran? Who funds the lying? What are the motives?


#1080 of 1674 by tod on Mon Oct 27 20:18:44 2014:

re #1079
 A brief return to the question tod evaded: why are lies being spread about
 Iran? Who funds the lying? What are the motives?

You answered that in 1078: "I think oil has been a plague for Iran."
I would expand on that: Oil has been a plague to mankind.
I lectured my son at length this weekend about the evils of oil.  I should
like to live to see the day oil is irrelevant to world affairs.
I realize you'd like to hear me blame Jews for Iran's troubles which can
be done but it simplifies things too easily.  Iran has all sorts of enemies
and issues does it not.


#1081 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Oct 27 21:49:31 2014:

Re #1080:

True truths are not complete, revealing truths. Generalities are cheap.
Specific mechanisms are at work which make one thing lead to another and some
of those mechanisms are known. I named a few and hoped you would in honesty
name a few more. Oh well.

Oil certainly is not the only cause and even oil as a cause has nuances. For
example, Iran's oil is not what it's cracked up to be. It's a fast dwindling
resource with an underfunded exploitation industry that is quite likely to
go bankrupt in near future. And, of course, Iran has many enemies and
problems. Everybody and everything has many enemies and problems. One part
of the task of understanding is enumerating and ordering these. Which is more
damaging and which is less. Not to mention, people's objectives in such
evaluations vary. Someone may be intent on inflicting more damage while
someone else may want to prevent, mend, and improve.

Regardless, the questions were quite specific. Someone is spreading falsities
to paint Iran negatively for problems it does not have (versus all the
problems it does have, many of those mirroring the problems of other
countries, which take libraries to explain and understand). This is done on
purpose and in an orchestrated manner. No doubt about that. So the question
was of who and why.


#1082 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Oct 28 08:10:30 2014:

Now back to Jew filth occupation of the West, bringing to you the Jew
Occupation Governments of Everyfuckingwhere:

> Missile boat crisis ends as Germany gives Israel $382 million discount
> 
> Agreement is a reversal of Berlin's earlier decision to withhold the
> discount because of Israel's settlement construction.

-- http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.621447

So, how much has been spent so far on containing ebola? Any figures?


#1083 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Oct 28 14:36:35 2014:

U.S. CDC says returning Ebola medical workers should not be quarantined

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/27/us-health-ebola-usa-newyork-
idUSKBN0IG12920141027


#1084 of 1674 by tod on Tue Oct 28 15:08:00 2014:

re #1081
 Specific mechanisms are at work which make one thing lead to another and some
 of those mechanisms are known. I named a few and hoped you would in honesty
 name a few more. Oh well.

What can I possible contribute?  Schlessinger?  Kissinger?
German Jews in the public eye?


#1085 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Oct 28 16:12:10 2014:

Re #1084:

Comments on how seemingly diverse media can be orchestrated like this would
be interesting. Liaisons? Direct bribes? Perks? Blackmail?

Also, an admission that I am neither insane nor struck by a mental
illness--"anti-Semitism is a mental illness" is the new bullshit meme--or a
character flaw would work. (I'm sure I have an array of character flaws. This
isn't one of them.)


#1086 of 1674 by tod on Tue Oct 28 17:51:22 2014:

re #1085
 Comments on how seemingly diverse media can be orchestrated like this would
 be interesting. Liaisons? Direct bribes? Perks? Blackmail?



    "US government, pissed we were publishing our story, tried to 
     undermine us by leaking it to other news organization right before 
     we published"
          - jeremy scahill (@jeremyscahill) August 5, 2014
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140805/11295828116/nearly-40-those-gov
ernm
ents-terrorist-watchlist-have-no-affiliation-with-recognized-terrorism-groups.
shtml

 In 1917, Congressman Oscar Calloway documented in the official 
Congressional record that multi-millionaire JP Morgan had infiltrated 
the U.S. media for the sole purpose of exploiting and controlling it. 
Morgan hired twelve of the top news managers to help him determine the 
most influential newspapers in America. The idea was to find the primary 
key news institutions that other news outlets looked to and were thus 
influenced by. (This is documented in the official U.S. Record, volume 
54, dated February 9, 1917.) 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqfQ6JW-OTM



#1087 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Oct 28 18:01:57 2014:

Re #1086:

Nice links. Have mine:

-- http://www.historyisaweapon.com/


#1088 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Oct 28 18:44:23 2014:

#1085 I'm the one who said it is a character flaw (regarding Henry 
Ford). I might add the word "dangerous" between character and flaw. 

To your question about bribes, blackmail, etc. it is almost impossible 
to know without admissions. We can only guess. Guessing and broad-
brushing. Fruitless. 

Some of the Jew connections you make I have no arguments for. There 
certainly are connections. There are many powerful Jews. But adding 
intent or grand schemes is a stretch IMO unless there is evidence and 
even then it's not a Jewish thing - it's an evil schemer at play. 


#1089 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Oct 28 19:42:12 2014:

Re #1088:

I recall that you did. I would want its rejection from tod, not from you ;-)

I think the existence and behavior of Israel is more than enough evidence.
Importantly, Iran does not have and has never had any irreconcilable
differences with the West and with the US in particular other than over
Israel. USG has known quite well all along that it could run its Imperial
business through IRI officials all the same. The fact that for three decades
Iran has been portrayed as a no-no of American foreign policy makes no sense
without the other fact that Iran will never recognize Israel and that Iran's
ascendance will cut Israel's lifeblood off quite fast.

It's beyond bizarre that Iran would be in the position that Israel should be.
It's Israel that has

1. stolen and diverted nuclear material; 

2. misled highest US officials about its nuclear activities;

3. enlisted services of the US and France against their NPT obligations;

4. developed nuclear weapons;

5. instated an apartheid regime; 

6. murdered thousands of non-combatants; 

7. invaded several countries, unprovoked multiple times; 

8. taken overt pride in wetwork on many countries' soil;

9. disregarded more UNSC and UNGA resolutions than any other country.

Where is the NATO bombing of Israel? It makes no sense at all to not only not
have one but also for NATO countries to protect and further supply Israel at
their own expense with no prospect of reimbursement.

Tod is going to interject here with House of Saud or, more recently, AKP as
other movers and shakers behind the Iran fiasco. I personally think he knows
quite well the opinion of US establishment of these two. They're seen as
clownish clients, not movers. Israel is the one that US politicians--POTUS,
senators, congresspersons, all the way down to city mayors--try to prove their
ass-kissing credentials to. It's on behalf of Israel that a large fraction
of US population deliver delirious sermons. It's Israel that most Europeans
greatly resent but their supposed "democratic" representations act servile
towards. The whole spectacle is grotesque.

None of this makes sense without the assumption that Jews have special levers
controlling all these governments.


#1090 of 1674 by tod on Tue Oct 28 22:08:30 2014:

re 1089
It might be simpler than Jews having special levers.  Perhaps it is overt
prejudice against non-Judeo Christians by the USA and Israel.  Unless
there is more positive portrayal on the silver screen and television
for Muslims then I don't see the simpleton prejudices going away.  FOX
News is simply an outlet for racists and bigots.  Americans thrive on
the "us versus them" mentality.  
http://www.gallup.com/poll/125312/religious-prejudice-stronger-against-musl
ims
.aspx

Very few Americans are going to listen to history and logic to build the
case for accepting its prejudice against other religions.  There has
to be some Muslim super heroes and some Muslim politicians and some
Muslim actors who are the best and transcend the status quo.  Until then,
Jews are simply 1/2 Christians in the eyes of most Americans.  Muslims
are lucky to be 15% American in the eyes of American bigots.


#1091 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Oct 28 22:35:30 2014:

Re #1090:

I don't buy that. Ignorance in itself doesn't produce negative prejudice. Name
the 'Nacirema' people to the average American and they won't have any
particular reaction. The negative prejudice was created and fostered on
purpose so as to produce the circular logic of intractability. It goes like
this:

> A: Why do you say Iran is Chaotic Evil?
> 
> B: Because Iran did X.
> 
> A: X is well explained by facts Y1, ..., Yn.
> 
> B: Iran didn't do it because of those.
> 
> A: Why not?
> 
> B: Because Iran is Chaotic Evil.

The sentiments you portray were produced on purpose among Americans, by media,
on the orders of someone(s). You know better than I do 'simpleton prejudice'
is not driving the gears inside the Beltway; nor any of the workings in the
halls of Western powers. A combination of interests and plans require cover
stories. For the cover stories to seem plausible a narrative is created. The
narrative, which you just cited, is not spontaneous.

So, questions are:

1. What plans?

2. What objectives?

3. Whose objectives?

4. At what costs?

5. At whose expense?

6. Is (5) paying (4) the same as (3)?

7. If 'no' to (6), how come?


#1092 of 1674 by tod on Wed Oct 29 02:07:06 2014:

re #1091
 The sentiments you portray were produced on purpose among Americans, by
 media, on the orders of someone(s).

I grew up with walkman in Detroit.  Prejudice and ignorance are simply what
people carry with them against the minorities who "talk funny" and don't
"do church."

If there is a Jew conspiracy to make people bigots rather than simply a
buttload of bigots who make it profitable to perpetrate the ignorance then
WHY?  What is to be gained?

The orders to the media to perpetrate the lies are a vicous circle. They
give the viewers what they're willing to watch and the advertisers
pay for the ratings to stick their crummy product commercials in 
between.

See, I think you and I have the same question but approach it differently
based on our assumptions.


#1093 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 29 08:31:35 2014:

Re #1092:

> If there is a Jew conspiracy to make people bigots rather than simply a
> buttload of bigots who make it profitable to perpetrate the ignorance
> then WHY?  What is to be gained?

I wouldn't say what you started the sentence with is the case. People anywhere
are susceptible to being misled. Maybe many are even happy to get a simple
color-me version of events that they can judge easily. So the potential for
such outcomes is there, as you say. I don't argue against that.

The real curiosity is _who_ this potential is used for or against. The pattern
is that this potential is used in the West for the West--which is
understandable, everyone is self-serving--and in service of Jews. There are
grey targets like India or China where people's capacity to buy simple stories
is not heavily used. In the past 'Red' China was a target for known and
unknown reasons. This has been toned down to a great degree with occasional
flare-ups depending on security and economical situation. Some would say if
not for involvement of Western Big Capital with China it still would have to
be painted 'red.'

And for some decades now there are other 'red' targets: Iran and specific Arab
groups.

Again, Israel is a minuscule country. It has a troublesome existence (and
dubitable future) that no one in their right mind would try to justify, much
less laud. To go against all reason and do so requires strong incentives.
These incentives are not in Israel's profitability to the West at large. I
think it's been quite clear that Israel is a liability and no gain.

The Jew conspiracy is in selling to the public a liability as a source of gain
and doing so to such degree that US politicians from the top to the bottom
dare not speak against it in public. The visible courtesy extended to Jews
in the West is itself a major curiosity. Before you go again attributing this
to "Judeo-Christian" identity remember that Jews were the misfits of the West
until quite recently and the "Judeo-Christian" amalgamation is very much an
Anglo-American thing. The rebranding must have been on purpose. Meanwhile,
in Continental Europe such rebranding could not and has not taken place. Of
utmost importance is that the deference of politicians is to pillars of power
(wealth, violence, rhetoric), not to shared identity.

What is to be gained? Existence and continuation of Israel. If the 1:3 dual
citizens of Israel are any indicator Jews very much dig it and have no regard
for the actual owners of the place. They are neither repentant for the past
nor conciliatory about present affairs and they believe subversion of the
West's Imperial instruments to serve their pet project is a Good Thing.

Importantly, and this may serve Dan Cross' brand of ignorance a bit, there
are differences between:

1. colonialism (of which the global, long-distance form has been perpetrated
only by Europe),

2. neocolonialism (which does not involve intended population displacements),

3. imperialism (which is the oldest variant of meddling with
self-determination and, at smaller geographic ranges, indistinguishable from
what is called national rule).

The West has largely given up on colonialism. Imperialism in turn can be seen
as a usual game of rulers-and-ruled where the Empire, even with (or perhaps
because of) its global reach, can be forced to take some responsibility like
any sovereign. These two trends make neocolonialism more tolerable, perhaps
even desirable in some regions. Again, the comparison can be made with any
sovereign.

Jews' subversion of the Empire clearly goes against both of these trends. It
uses the harshest instruments of a neocolonial Empire to hold together an
oldschool colony _and_ subverts the Empire's sense of responsibility in ways
that cannot be justified except by pointing a damning finger at Jews.

This lack of justification is the crux of what attracts the ire of quite a
few people around the world against the Empire.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> The orders to the media to perpetrate the lies are a vicous circle. They
> give the viewers what they're willing to watch and the advertisers pay
> for the ratings to stick their crummy product commercials in  between.

Sure thing. Once the seeds are planted they grow. That's why the initial
choice of whom and how to demonize is crucial. Once the memes are out they
easily draw material from the mis/disinformation environment and replicate
on their own.

However, as I already wrote, the issue is not the public's notions. The
public's notions are a symptom of the elite's will. When I see the negative
propaganda I don't lament that someone will think negatively of Iran. I think
instead that a tiny number of someones ("leadership") are running a plan
against Iran and have to give the public a cover story. The questions all
regard those movers and shakers, not the misled public.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> See, I think you and I have the same question but approach it
> differently based on our assumptions.

Perhaps. Clearing that up is the purpose of this correspondence.


#1094 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Oct 29 13:11:48 2014:

#1092 "If there is a Jew conspiracy to make people bigots rather 
than simply a buttload of bigots who make it profitable to 
perpetrate the ignorance then WHY?  What is to be gained?"

Why did the Catholic Church keep the mass in Latin for hundreds of 
years and forbid translation? Why does our government produce 
cointel? Why are there political commercials with misinformation? 
Why is Monsanto against GMO labeling? Chinese internet controls?

If people are ignorant and believe your lies you can _control_ them. 
In each demographic there are ads and media programs that exist to 
sell more products. This is not a Jew conspiracy but it's the way 
things have worked throughout written history. 


#1095 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 29 14:25:25 2014:

Re #1094:

Every you-can-control-them scheme has beneficiaries. There are people who run
any given racket and they are responsible for it. Rackets don't run
themselves.


#1096 of 1674 by tod on Wed Oct 29 16:00:32 2014:

Were Kermit Roosevelt and Dulles controlled by Jews?


#1097 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Oct 29 17:20:03 2014:

#1095 Yes

#1096 ? I think Kermit Roosevelt was controlled by daddy issues, booze 
and mental illness. 

John Dulles was the controller, not the controlled! Although one could 
make the argument that he answered to others, including Jews.


#1098 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 29 17:32:50 2014:

-- http://i.imgur.com/hT9tQ6C.jpg


#1099 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Oct 29 17:35:19 2014:

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lr4mI26c-Y


#1100 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 29 17:35:40 2014:

Re #1096:

I don't know. Probably not. Jews didn't have the position they have today 80
years ago. Nor 50 years ago. I'm not selling theories of Eternal Jew here.
I'm talking about concrete matters.

Every rafflesia blooms one day and withers another.

Did Disraeli do Jews a few favors in British politics of his day?


#1101 of 1674 by tod on Wed Oct 29 19:14:21 2014:

Jews were lower on the rung in Brit politics.  A seat at the table if they
played by Queensberry Rules.


#1102 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 29 19:19:03 2014:

Indeed. Anglos brought them into the game. 150 years later; have they handled
the power well? I see a sort of anaphylactic response here.


#1103 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 29 19:21:59 2014:

Uncle Eli strikes again:

> The Real Reason Iran Killed This Woman for Defending Herself
> 
> The execution of Reyhanneh Jabbari has brought worldwide condemnation of
> the Tehran regime. But the critics may be missing the real story.
> 
> by Eli Lake
> 
> [from Comments section]
>
> She committed a premeditated murder and tried to defame her victim
> (stabbed the man with whom she had previous intimate  relations from
> behind and with a knife she had bought earlier). If the Iranian system
> wanted her dead she would have been dead years ago and not hanged after
> a seven year lengthy procedure. The garbage piece presented as a "news
> article" is scandalously one-sided.
> 
> If you had real humanitarian concerns you would gone first to your
> corrupt Saudi friends who chop off heads with swords as the execution
> method, just like their fellow Salafist-Jihadist brothers in ISIS. The
> Saudi's will behead you (usually in public) if they catch you with even
> 10 grams of heroin, for example.
> 
> The hypocrisy by these paid guys in press is really stomach turning.

-- http://is.gd/R9zbsq
-- (redirects to The Daily Beast)

It's a Jews' world! Lie, lie, and then lie some more. The bigger, the more,
the better. It takes a minute to tell a lie once you're in the right place;
a day to debunk it. You can't possibly lose.


#1104 of 1674 by tod on Wed Oct 29 22:02:04 2014:

O'Reilly thinks Stalin killed Patton.  Actually, O'Reilly thinks many folks
were assassinated for being "no spin."  I wonder how long before O'Reilly
tries to stage his own failed assassination?

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/09/bill-oreillys-ludicous-claim-joseph-stali
n


#1105 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 29 22:39:40 2014:

With words that tenuous it's hard to believe he himself believes it.


#1106 of 1674 by tod on Thu Oct 30 02:29:04 2014:

re #1105
He uses very loose innuendo.  His strongest thread is the rumor that 
Patton drank a thimble full of vodka every night thus wasn't prone
to a blood clot.


#1107 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Oct 30 10:58:36 2014:

Wikipedia names congestive heart failure as mechanism of death. That doesn't
even need clotting and alcohol consumption would only worsen the proximate
causes. Should people expect Bill O'Reilly to know sclerotic etiologies of
heart failure from others?

-- http://is.gd/4vsYsw

(To be honest, I looked for the survey itself and couldn't find it. Could
equally likely be filed under American liberal lies even if the point of a
need for proper education is fair.)


#1108 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Oct 30 12:43:35 2014:

You have a John Bolton in your soup, Sir Mister walkman:

> Washington Must Not Ignore Iran's Threat Against Camp Liberty
> 
> by AMIR BASIRI  30 Oct 2014, 2:10 AM PDT
> 
> [...]
> 
> In tandem with the increase of its violent activities in Iraq, the
> Iranian regime has also increased the pace of its perpetual campaign of
> persecution and harassment against members of the opposition group
> Peoples Mojahedin Organization of Iran, residing in Camp Liberty, Iraq.
> 
> The PMOI is the main opposition group to the Iranian regime and has for
> decades been aiming at dislodging the ruling mullahs and establishing a
> secular and democratic government. The PMOI is the party that first
> unveiled Irans illicit nuclear program and has published valuable
> documents pertaining to the meddling of the Iranian regime in Iraq.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/LzUDXl
-- (redirects to Breitbart)

Want to bet on which way the army of ignorant, easily-led fools known as the
Tea Party will go in 2016? ;-)

Camp Liberty, formerly Camp Ashraf, home to mujah.... I mean, freedom
fighters. Neocons love irony.


#1109 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Oct 30 13:31:51 2014:

#1108 "Tea Party" began as a libertarian movement. It has been 
distorted by the media and usurped by neocons. I have no defense for 
any attributions to tea party activities, voices, etc. because "Tea 
Party" is nebulous just like "terrorist" or "Jew".  

"ignorant, easily-led fools known as ______" - fill in the blank
Lots of ignorant, easily-led people around the world from every 
religion, political party, activist group, gender, etc. 

PS To your "ignorant" and "easily led" - CBS did a poll of self-
identifying "Tea Party" people and found:

They are better educated than most Americans: 37 percent are college 
graduates, compared to 25 percent of Americans overall. They also 
have a higher-than-average household income, with 56 percent making 
more than $50,000 per year.

Nearly three in four describe themselves as conservative, and 39 
percent call themselves very conservative. Sixty percent say they 
always or usually vote Republican. Forty percent say the United 
States needs a third party, while 52 percent say it does not.

They are more likely than American adults overall to attend 
religious services weekly (38 percent do so) and to call themselves 
evangelical (39 percent). Sixty-one percent are Protestant, and 
another 22 percent are Catholic.

More than half -- 58 percent -- keep a gun in the household. 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/tea-party-supporters-who-they-are-and-
what-they-believe/


#1110 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Oct 30 16:32:27 2014:

Re #1109:

> PS To your "ignorant" and "easily led" - CBS did a poll of
> self-identifying "Tea Party" people and found: [...]

The unfortunate reality is that being educated doesn't compel a person to look
for the mechanisms of what they find wrong with the world.

I think the uniting factor of Tea Party was and remains discontent.
Malcontents are easy to lead on because seeking the detailed why's and how's
of discontent is harder than believing catch-all's like "it is the
government's fault." While dissatisfaction with status quo is certainly the
gateway to a liberated mind it is not also the path to such liberation. In
fact, a generalized disaffection is one of the most powerful weapons in the
arsenal of fascist opinion leaders. As a fascist, I would know ;-)

Regarding [American] libertarianism I believe similar criticism applies. In
particular there's a utopian sentiment common among believers about the
practical outcomes of libertarian ideologies coupled with a tendency to brush
aside negatives that can easily be reasoned for from the same premises.
There's this sense that "if only this and that were fixed the world would
become a great place [or the best place it can be]" and that's lethal.
Underlying it all there's the idea that every problem can be solved and every
solution will look simple. On Agora item #7, post #787 you can see that type
of sloppy analysis at work.

I find this highly relevant:

> Q: Are beautiful, elegant or simple equations more likely to be true?

-- http://is.gd/3s6jPi
-- (redirects to AskAMathematician.com)

(If you asked the physicists at Argonne that question I imagine they'd give
you pained looks.)


#1111 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Oct 30 18:35:15 2014:

What is more dangerous than a malcontent? People who blindly follow and 
accept what they are told. On the scale of intelligence, questioning 
things is higher than bumbling along like a mindless fool. 

None of the great men in history just accepted things around them or 
what they were told. 

"a utopian sentiment common among believers about the practical 
outcomes of libertarian ideologies"
No liberal or conservative has the same problem right? Utopian 
sentiment? I could dedicate my life to picking that apart if the 
outcome was attractive. 


#1112 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Oct 30 20:42:19 2014:

Re #1111:

> What is more dangerous than a malcontent?

A malcontent is not above being a mindless fool solely thanks to their
disaffection. That was my point. Discontent is not a virtue in and of itself.
Gauged radical thinking is. Asking questions is vital. Seeking answers in
honesty even more so. (With the caveat that any honest search will most likely
yield more questions.)

Bit of microhistory here. You often see these days the beard-fear among
Western elites. Not one appears in public with so much as a stubble. A beard
is a code of "backwardness." Even our self-professedly "enlightened" resident
thug here once couldn't hold his tongue against slander of appearances and
addressed me as a follower of 'bearded leaders.' Guess who introduced the
babyface code of "civilization" to the West and what it meant to them. (I'll
let you guess.)

The babyface code was there to signal discontent with all-bearded leaders of
traditional Europe. Mighty good did that discontent do, did it not? See:
Second World War.

Other bunches of thugs under babyface code run amok these days:

> There is Ali Shah Mousovi, a pediatrician who says he returned to
> Afghanistan in 2003, following years of exile in Iran, to open a medical
> clinic and rebuild his country. Soon after his return, American soldiers
> broke down his door, accused him of associating with the Taliban and
> took him to the Bagram Air Base. There, he says, he was blindfolded,
> hooded, gagged and repeatedly kicked in the head by American soldiers,
> who spat on him, cursed him and paraded him naked.

-- http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/10/books/review/Rosen-t.html

And make no mistake. Many of these thugs have gone back home as "veterans,"
full of discontent because Rome isn't paying them the promised loot. Their
discontent or the discontent of criminal nigger gangs is no mark of
distinction. It confers no liberty of mind and makes them all the more
dangerous. So, unless you're like me and love to see a big fire on the
horizon, hold your horses on praise of generalized disaffection.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> None of the great men in history just accepted things around them or
> what they were told.

History has quite a few terrible great men, too. Not even gauged radical
thinking guarantees good intentions.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> No liberal or conservative has the same problem right? Utopian
> sentiment? I could dedicate my life to picking that apart if the outcome
> was attractive. 

I wouldn't grace American liberals or "conservatives" with critique. Those
are just bunches of clowns. That libertarians get a critical mention is
because you can see their hearts--the honest ones among them--are in the right
place, at the very least. Sloppy analysis taints the best of intentions
nonetheless and it's all the more dangerous when/where people are
action-minded.


#1113 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Oct 30 21:00:42 2014:

> U.S. military ordered to hide identities, change routines to avoid
> terrorist attacks

-- http://is.gd/5RMQX3
-- (redirects to Washington Times)

This is on US soil. I have no comments.


#1114 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Oct 30 21:02:09 2014:

> Ralph Nader on Clinton vs Rand in 2016 and Libertarianism

-- http://wearechange.org/ralph-nader-clinton-vs-rand-2016-libertarianism/


#1115 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Oct 31 11:19:53 2014:

#1114 Ralph Nader is a very smart man and I agree with everything he 
said in that clip. Rand Paul is a disappointment. He is not the 
great man his dad is. At best he's the lite version. At worst he's 
turning into a mainline (_not_ neocon) Republican.

As a citizen, I would support him over neocons like Jeb Bush (who is 
rumored to run). Hillary and Jeb are frightening and dangerous. Rand 
is being the lady who unbuttons the top 3 on her blouse to make the 
sale. He's is not going to put out, he just wants to be sexy enough 
to win people over and put the turkey on the table. Not exactly 
noble but in the end it does the job. The takeaway for me that it's 
too bad people like Rand Paul and Ralph Nader aren't taken seriously 
by people. The corporatist (Nader's word) media is obviously going 
to make non-establishment threats to be racists, kooks, and goofs. 
Average Mike buys it when Conan and Stewart make the joke. Keep the 
Oligarchy going and the stocks at their artificial high. 

Rand is smart enough to know that being the libertarian 
constitutionalist is great but not enough to break on through to the 
the big desk.  


#1116 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Oct 31 12:20:53 2014:

Re #1115:

Whatever keeps Rand Paul from being elected on his (alleged) principles will
keep him from acting on those principles once in office. No?


#1117 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Oct 31 12:50:30 2014:

#1116 See: Barack Obama
His campaign placed him on far left. In office he's right of Reagan. 

I highly doubt Rand would act on the mainline Republican issues. That's 
why people in his own party have been working against him and his 
father for years. 


#1118 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Oct 31 17:34:06 2014:

Re #1117:

Obama claimed he would seriously balance the establishment which he did much
less than expected of him. Left and right are really irrelevant these days.
You have hardcore pro-establishment and less hardcore pro-establishment. Obama
is the latter.

Rand Paul's (alleged) principles are straightly anti-establishment. There is
no way he can get elected by appearing hardcore pro-establishment but when
in office act anti-establishment any more than Obama did. Due to the
perception of many of his (alleged) principles the disappointment factor would
be no less than with Obama. Except perhaps in that you cannot much further
disappoint already disappointed groups.


#1119 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Nov 1 02:28:21 2014:

Either way brown people will die. Well those that dont play basketball, 
rap or play president. War is the constant.


#1120 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Nov 2 11:24:59 2014:

If you read this thoroughly:

--
http://file.wikileaks.org/file/us-marines-mid-range-threat-assessment-2005.
pdf

The gist of it is: the US thinks it represents something it calls 'the West;'
the US is at war with Islam; the US has no idea what Islam is.

I'm taking bets on who will win ;-)


#1121 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Nov 2 11:27:22 2014:

By the way, there's so much Jew in that document the stench was overpowering
even from Iran, Iran so far away.


#1122 of 1674 by tod on Mon Nov 3 04:13:30 2014:

10 year old document during the Dubya Regime


#1123 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Nov 3 08:12:55 2014:

Re #1122:

Establishment stance.


#1124 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Nov 3 08:34:46 2014:

More re. #1122:

To be clear, it's actually dubious that that is the stance itself. It's
essentially an indoctrination manual for lower ranks. It does showcase the
establishment's intentions, though, if in a warped way.


#1125 of 1674 by tod on Mon Nov 3 12:56:07 2014:

re #1124
It's a comic book with heroes and villains dressed up as a world narrative.
Out of context, it's hard to understand that the politics were 
unknown to most Americans.  Condoleeza Rice was quick to explain things
and very few in the room understood nor were willing to challenge the
stance suggested (and followed.)
9/11 was so odd for America that most might have well been Aztecs
meeting Hernan Cortes for the first time.  And that can be applied
in both directions, I suppose.


#1126 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Nov 3 13:39:48 2014:

Re #1125:

You keep insisting on 'isolated instance' and 'chaotic-but-unfortunate
development' positions. I emphatically disagree. I see carefully planned
malevolence. On that note, every charge of malevolence the Soviets brought
against Americans the latter needed less than 25 years to prove to have been
the case. Recent declassifications and more comprehensive chronicling of the
past century also further substantiate that honest mistakes have been less
the case than knowing malfeasance.

Specific to the document, the "comic book" in question, the "spontaneous"
"terrorism expert" business, and attendant outlets have been and continue to
be used extensively and deliberately to indoctrinate with less than a grain
of truth in the entire paradigm. What does that indicate about the intentions
of the establishment?

If Germany kept a remorseful version of its 20th century history out of its
basic education the way Japan keeps most of Meiji and Shouwa out or the US
keeps most of its relevant history out what would you conclude about the
balance of power in postwar Germany? Who would you think were truly in power?

Vital note: I used 'balance of power' with no implications of sincerity or
truthfulness on part of the power consensus. Realistically, Germany has to
(and is) do(ing) a complete revision of the victors' version of history taught
to the masses of its new generations. The few more curious ones were and are
enriching their historical knowledge anyhow.


#1127 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Nov 3 13:59:24 2014:

The less sophisticated the readers are, the easier the comic book is to 
believe - especially with mainstream media backing much of it up point
for  point. It's a cohesive narrative. 

Frenemies, enemies and friends. 

In April 2013, Hagel told Israeli President Shimon Peres:  We are living
 through the defining of a new world order, and it s still within our 
capability to do something about it. 

http://www.wnd.com/2014/10/hagel-questions-u-s-role-in-new-world-order/

(who's "we"?)


#1128 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Nov 3 19:33:31 2014:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevention_of_Genocide_Act_of_1988

> who's "we"?

Filth and scum, with a 140+ times Jew overrepresentation among them.

Coincidence, of course.


#1129 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Nov 6 16:02:47 2014:

Bin Laden's "killer" revealed: 
http://tinyurl.com/q9srk84

I wanted gruesome photos and all I got was this tee shirt.


#1130 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Nov 6 17:02:17 2014:

Lip service is all you'll ever get from me:
http://tinyurl.com/msg8835


#1131 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Nov 6 17:18:05 2014:

The party of obvious sociopaths.


#1132 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Nov 6 17:31:53 2014:

#1131 Should get fun and interesting if things go my way. 
BUT (there's always a big butt) it's predictable to see even more 
corruption, wars and looting coming our way. When congress & senate 
members talk about "compromising", "reaching across the isle" and 
"working together" bad things are sure to come.  


#1133 of 1674 by tod on Fri Nov 7 14:36:31 2014:

Boehner likes to compare Obama to GW but forgets Crimea = Georgia


#1134 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Nov 7 15:09:40 2014:

> ROGUE STATE 11.07.14
> 
> Iran's Horrific Human-Rights Record
> 
> Sen. Mark Kirk
> Sen. Marco Rubio

-- http://is.gd/uLH6ah
-- (redirects The Daily Beast)

So, Jew-fellators in Jew rag. Standing for human rights by the kotel up their
rears. When is Uncle going to give these whores that erotic spanking? From
what I see he's set his eyes on something--not sure what--and these queens
are trying to get in his way in the hopes of a paid lay. What's Uncle set his
eyes on? And what will happen to the obstructing queens?


#1135 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Nov 7 17:20:31 2014:

#1134 Want some foreign aid? LOL


#1136 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Nov 7 17:31:34 2014:

Re #1135:

I got some aid here addressed to DC ;-)


#1137 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Nov 7 17:46:52 2014:

#1136 Make sure you wear a hazmat suit for proper handling before 
shipping. 


#1138 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Nov 7 17:48:05 2014:

The west is the best
The west is the best
Get here and we'll do the rest


#1139 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Nov 7 19:31:14 2014:

Re #1137:

Stan Lee is a good man, though.


#1140 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Nov 7 20:00:15 2014:

#1139 You mean Stanley Lieber?
*evil chuckle*


#1141 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Nov 7 20:52:26 2014:

Re #1140:

> The establishment of a rating system, voluntary or otherwise, opens the
> door to an endless parade of Moral Quality Control Programs based on
> "Things Certain Christians Don't Like." What if the next bunch of
> Washington Wives demands a large yellow "J" on all material written or
> performed by Jews, in order to save helpless children from exposure to
> concealed Zionist doctrine?

> But what your martial society really wants is blood. We need some blood.
> We need some suffering. Like, the individual must suffer for the good of
> the whole. I toy around with that. Early on, I wasn't looking at Jesus
> Christ, saying to myself, "What an angle." I wasn't trying to be
> Christ-y. But, after all, on one level, this is showbiz.

-- http://i.imgur.com/UkD8dZg.jpg

One never knows :-)


#1142 of 1674 by tod on Sat Nov 8 15:42:13 2014:

Showing up for work is important
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWxbDu4-kWs


#1143 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Nov 9 04:16:54 2014:

An unbelievable article for a Jew rag:

> Getting Close to Terror, but Not to Stop It
> 
> Port Authority Officer Kept Sources With Ties to Iran Attacks

-- http://is.gd/HohUsO
-- (redirects to NY Times)

It is not impossible the described topsy-turvy is real but that McHale man
is a fall guy if I've ever seen one.

Also wondering if this is another Libya plan. "Hey Ali, I can order you an
aftabeh[1] and squat toilet in the White House[2] and a Jundullah column in
NY Times. Deal?"

On the 25th anniversary of the Berlin Wall's fall. Seriously? Will there be
a Roman Abramovich? Will IRIC Article 44 be Treuhand 2?

-------------------

1. Google it. Also, wash your rear. It's good, I promise.

2. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/08/28/nyregion/28tent5_650.jpg


#1144 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Nov 9 14:29:29 2014:

A) A solution looking for a problem:
"We have these Joint Terrorism Task Forces everywhere, and there s so
many  of these antiterrorism thrusts in our bureaucracy. There s so much
more  going on."

B) What changed? Does Jundallah not exist to attack Iran's government
alone?" But in its early years, the group received little attention in
Washington.  And Mr. McHale s relationship with the group did not raise
concerns, former  officials say. In part, they say, that was because the
United States did not  yet consider Jundallah a terrorist organization
and it had stated no  intention to attack the West."

C) The meat and potatoes. No one knows anything. Yet, McHale had a
budget,  traveled, filed reports "circulated widely" and communicated
his progress to  officials. " But though the government now says Mr.
McHale worked as a single operator,  there are indications that senior
officials knew of and approved of the  relationship he developed with
Jundallah."

D) Our intelligence agencies are very, very good at finding perfect
patsies.  A port authority worker getting sent for intelligence missions
in hostile  war areas? Totally normal! And what a perfect guy to set up
as the go-it- alone maverick. They just could not keep him in line! LOL
"But friends and former colleagues say this characterization of Mr.
McHale  as a rogue operator is unfair."


#1145 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Nov 9 18:08:10 2014:

He has an assault rifle, too *chuckle*


#1146 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Nov 9 18:11:56 2014:

All these said and probably true, there is a significant (deliberately
cultivated) fraction of Americans with quite specific murderous tendencies
who match that man's profile. As in any business co-opting a self-driven
rising star is far cheaper and more robust than nurturing a reluctant type
from the babysteps on.


#1147 of 1674 by tod on Sun Nov 9 21:13:57 2014:

re #1146
We call them Barney Fife and Hillaries - depending on plumbing.


#1148 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Nov 9 22:31:36 2014:

> Billionaires Adelson and Saban, at odds in campaigns, unite on Israel
> and hit Obama
> 
> [...]
> 
> "Newt Gingrich was right: The Palestinians are an invented people,"
> Adelson said, referring to a controversial statement made by the former
> Republican House speaker whose failed 2012 presidential campaign Adelson
> heavily funded.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/A5TqSS
-- (redirects to Washington Post)

Another unusual piece about Jew filth. What's the trick?


#1149 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Nov 9 22:54:17 2014:

Re #1147:

Which Hillary is that?


#1150 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Nov 11 01:16:33 2014:

> Iran leader's call to 'annihilate' Israel sparks fury as nuclear
> deadline looms
> 
> (CNN) -- A new document by Iran's supreme leader calling for the
> elimination of Israel shows that world powers must not rush into a deal
> on the country's nuclear program despite an upcoming deadline, Israel's
> Prime Minister said Monday.
> 
> "There is no moderation in Iran. It is unrepentant, unreformed, it calls
> for Israel's eradication, it promotes international terrorism," Benjamin
> Netanyahu said in a statement.
> 
> "This terrorist regime in Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear
> threshold power. And I call on the P5+1 countries -- don't rush into a
> deal that would let Iran rush to the bomb." (The P5+1 refers to the
> United States, China, Russia, Britain, France and Germany -- the five
> permanent members of the U.N. Security Council, plus Germany.)
> 
> Iran insists it only wants nuclear energy. And Ayatollah Ali Khamenei,
> while calling for the elimination of Israel, said he opposes "a massacre
> of the Jewish people in this region."
> 
> Instead, he seeks a referendum. But in the meantime, "armed resistance
> is the cure," he says, calling for the West Bank to be "armed like
> Gaza."
> 
> [...]

-- http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/10/world/meast/iran-annihilate-israel/index.h
tml

I'm not furious at all. The one thing Khamenei ever gets right is this one.
Not suprisingly, he never gets things about Iran right.

So, from dismantlement of Israel by Palestinian referendum a compromise step
is to allow Israelis to vote as well? Right?


#1151 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Nov 11 02:22:10 2014:

How do the Israelis hug their children with nuclear arms?


#1152 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Nov 11 02:53:12 2014:

You have to ask the Ethiopian Jews living next to Dimona.

I have a single funny concern about Iran buying or making any powerful tech:
how will Iranians marry it to their deep-running incompetence and malfeasance?
Can't oops with nuclear power plants or warheads.


#1153 of 1674 by tod on Tue Nov 11 04:46:08 2014:

re #1149
The ones that keep the hair short for minimize hotflashes



#1154 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Nov 11 16:21:47 2014:

Re #1153:

Hm, the strange English disturbs me :-P


#1155 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Nov 11 19:16:39 2014:

> "We're now supposedly training about 5,000 or more Syrians who are going
> to go back in and fight against Bashar Assad. Who is it that's killing
> them? It is barrel bombs and equipment supplied by the Iranians," he
> said on Fox News.

-- http://is.gd/ICYuie
-- (redirects to The Hill)


#1156 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Nov 12 01:15:42 2014:

> The U.S. military is good, but nobody is THAT good
> 
> By Neal Gabler | November 10, 2014
> 
> When an angry electorate headed for the polls Tuesday, the questions on
> their minds probably included: Why did a Liberian man with Ebola get
> into this country, and how did the authorities so botch his treatment
> that two American nurses were infected with the virus? How did a convoy
> of Islamic State fighters cross a desert in plain daylight without being
> blasted to smithereens by the U.S. Air Force? How could U.S. automobile
> companies commit one gaffe after another without being called to account
> after Washington bailed them out?
> 
> [...] 

-- http://is.gd/Os1a0n
-- (redirects to blogs.Reuters)

Article is predictable and mildly interesting. Comments tend to be a mix of
true and false.

The shared feature of the article and comments is arguing in bad faith
prompted by naivete and lack of an overarching understanding. Where there
should be description there is apology. Where there should be productive
criticism there is an absence of offered alternatives.


#1157 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Nov 12 17:33:35 2014:

> Understanding Iran: The Head of the Snake
> 
> [...]
> 
> Iran in Prophecy
> 
> Daniel 11 speaks of a pushy and aggressive power in our day known as the
> king of the south. [...]

-- http://is.gd/qzZcl4
-- (redirects to The Trumpet)

So, Agent tod, where does entertainment cross into macabre? Here's my answer:
when North wrote about "orange" and "zebras." Tell me about snakes on a plane,
too, about a clash of "civilizations," and about self-fulfilling prophecies.

> Ted Cruz's Father Suggested His Son Is 'Anointed' to Bring About 'End
> Time Transfer of Wealth'
> 
> "The pastor [Huch] referred to Proverbs 13:22, a little while ago, which
> says that the wealth of the wicked is stored for the righteous. And it
> is through the kings, anointed to take dominion, that that transfer of
> wealth is going to occur." - Rafael Cruz, August 26, 2012

-- http://is.gd/S7MQrp
-- (redirects to AlterNet)


#1158 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Nov 12 19:53:03 2014:

And Russia's newest agitprop outlet:

> Growth of ISIL - Planned Decision: Syrian Perspective

-- http://uk.sputniknews.com/opinion/20141109/1013195499.html

Has some points but muddles other points. Half-turths everywhere.


#1159 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Nov 12 22:13:17 2014:

> Can a neocon change his spots (and come back as a liberal
> interventionist for Hillary Clinton)?

-- http://mondoweiss.net/2014/06/liberal-interventionist-clinton


#1160 of 1674 by tod on Thu Nov 13 03:36:50 2014:

re #1154
 Hm, the strange English disturbs me :-P

Gary Glitter being a good example!

re #1157
 So, Agent tod, where does entertainment cross into macabre? Here's my answer:
 when North wrote about "orange" and "zebras." Tell me about snakes on a
 plane, too, about a clash of "civilizations," and about self-fulfilling 
 prophecies.

Excellent cartoonage: "the world.s largest state-sponsor of terror"
and "radical Islam, led by Iran" at 
https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/11851.32129.0.0/middle-east/three-reaso
ns-w
hy-iran-is-the-king-of-the-south-of-bible-prophecy

The us vs them comic books come in web blog format.



#1161 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Nov 13 03:57:18 2014:

Re #1160:

Missing the point. In a milieu like all that's needed for catastrophe is one
shyster. I showed you the shyster, too. You may think the "comic books" are
irrelevant to reality and they may be. That's in turn irrelevant to their
mobilization potential.


#1162 of 1674 by tod on Fri Nov 14 00:03:27 2014:

re #1161
I agree it is hate crime and propaganda by the shyster.  And yes, there
is a market potential behind it.  The problem is that nobody is
trying to create a mass media campaign for the truth...not a successful
one.


#1163 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Nov 14 00:55:03 2014:

Re #1162:

> The problem is that nobody is trying to create a mass media campaign for
> the truth...not a successful one.

That "can't handle the truth" sequence comes to mind. Although that itself
was agitprop.

If lying is more profitable than truth-telling only blood wins over sword.
It's possibly my upbringing that makes me optimistic on that count. If one
were to go by 'Welcome to the Machine' the expectation would be for the
abstracted machine-cube to eventually fire its engines, whoosh away from an
ocean of blood, and join the grand perfect sphere.

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tblx00nIZB0


#1164 of 1674 by tod on Fri Nov 14 03:29:17 2014:

Interstellar is a great idea of a movie except it has the Dallas Buyers
Club redneck guy as the hero.


#1165 of 1674 by nharmon on Fri Nov 14 22:50:51 2014:

...and a great big bootstrap paradox as a main plot line.


#1166 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Nov 14 23:23:58 2014:

Primer handled time-travel uniquely, and confusingly.


#1167 of 1674 by tod on Sat Nov 15 03:47:15 2014:

Ok, who wants to be tightrope walking umbrella guy?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m1UWSD-FaA


#1168 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Nov 15 04:49:58 2014:

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUIqR0IzJCY


#1169 of 1674 by tod on Sat Nov 15 19:08:01 2014:

Meow I get it

{can says 'Eat'}
It could be a great television commercial to sell jeans to vanity


#1170 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Nov 15 20:21:27 2014:

   o  
E /|\ T
  / \


#1171 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Nov 16 01:30:57 2014:

> The Solution for Pakistan's Problems: Become Another Iran
> 
> Maybe what Pakistan needs is more Islamization.

-- http://is.gd/Wk5kfs
-- (redirects to The Diplomat)

*giggle*


#1172 of 1674 by tod on Sun Nov 16 05:24:30 2014:

NICE


#1173 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Nov 16 14:25:26 2014:

It's never too late for hope and change:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/16/world/asia/pakistan-al-qaeda-video/


#1174 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Nov 16 14:28:16 2014:

Ayman al-Zawahiri also says the new Black Keys record is righteous. 


#1175 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Nov 16 15:06:41 2014:

No connection. Article on #1171 makes a defensible point. It's "az-Zawahiri"
that should be suspected for being a CIA plant for disinforming Americans.


#1176 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Nov 16 17:50:01 2014:

#1175 Right. What I was saying is that the U.S. may find the desired
outcome  of #1171 as undesirable and provoke Arab Spring/Winter/? to
destabilize  starting with Ayman al-Zawahiri (that's how the media
spells it here).


#1177 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Nov 16 18:49:16 2014:

Re #1176:

I think I could agree with that. Though, Bandar Bush has been doing exactly
that for the longest time:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haqqani_network

> Bandar Bush, 'liberator' of Syria
> 
> By Pepe Escobar 

-- http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MID-02-130813.html

The key defensible point in the article is exactly that institionalized Islam
would hoist the likes of Haqqanis by their own petard. It would rapidly
separate Saudi-IA plants from mere hotheads. Give a hothead a village to
feed--soon he'll either be delivered of his folly by common sense or he'll
have his head on a pike by the same villagers who would listen to his sermons
while he was only a priest on a pulpit. Plants don't have that recourse
because they serve an alien agenda. They'll get purged.

And unlike Arabia's case Pakisan cannot pay for its own long-term occupation
by the House of Saud. It becomes sustainable or it fails catastrophically.

P.S. "Al-Zawahiri" is an incorrect transliteration. "Az-Zawahiri" is a correct
transcription. Araak (a city), araq (distilled spirits), Araaq (Iraq, in
Persian), Iraaq (Iraq, in Arabic), Araaq-e Ajam ('non-Arab-speaking Iraq,'
a western section of Iran in historical parlance). Don't expect American media
to get it anywhere close to right. Not even America's "terrorism experts" do.
It's a bizarre world where you have to give Daniel Pipes--of all
people!--credit for at least doing proper linguistics.


#1178 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Nov 16 20:26:57 2014:

More necessary reading for Agent tod and Compadres:

> Iran's War on Two Fronts 
> 
> Between an ambitious India and a North American energy renaissance,
> Iran's horizons narrow.
> 
> By Kevin D. Williamson

-- http://is.gd/9MoO3v
-- (redirects to NRO; the _other_ NRO *chuckle*)

Read this very closely and carefully to see where and how the fate of the
United States was sealed.


#1179 of 1674 by tod on Sun Nov 16 21:01:22 2014:

re #1178
A nuclear Iran would be less volative/dangerous than NK - imo.
I wonder if Iran ever worries about Chinese expansionism - especially
as it courts Afghanistan?


#1180 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Nov 16 21:18:37 2014:

Not sure what you are driving at with "fate sealed." 
Interesting article/opinion piece nonetheless. 
PS nuclear Iran. Okay. That is less a threat to the world than a 
justification for Israel to build up its MIC and gain support from its 
suppised allies. 


#1181 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Nov 16 21:19:00 2014:

Supposed


#1182 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Nov 17 02:30:09 2014:

Re #1179:

A tiny Chinese navy contingent recently made a call at an Iranian port.

One possible assumption is that the US, Russia, and China can't be working
in tandem due to whichever set of mutually exclusive interests in which case
without a (very) significant American offer (which Valet Obama may or may not
be authorized to make) Iran will opt for SCO, anti-Imperial ideology, and
cultural 'authenticity'--that's something China understands and can
stomach--even at a hefty economic price, hedging its economic realization bets
for a post-US world. Russian disruptive roulette and Chinese paper guns. Quite
a mix.

The other possible assumption is that there is a triumvirate bent on crushing
and owning Iran. It is quite plausible and I don't think Iran would have any
way out of that. It would surrender the "nukes" to the US, sell mining to
China, and use the pittance thrown it to buy Russian arms. Cronies will
engorge themselves on the financial flows.

P.S. Forget the whole 'nuclear Iran,' 'volatile,' blahblah story. It's a
distraction.


#1183 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Nov 17 02:37:50 2014:

Re #1180:

Supine ;-)

About the US fate and its sealing, I propose checking what Iran's top import
by dollar value is. It isn't wheat and it isn't gayPhones. Compare it with
Canada's top import. Then take a look at when gold price peaked post-2000,
see the trend, and give me a theory of why it started falling.

That you cannot see that article's premise as the sealing of the US fate is
probably due to your not seeing its broken reason. Here goes it:

1. Throwing out the article's Anglo-Jew chauvinism the reasons for Iran's
economic backwardness should be sought in the fact it's a resource-exporting
country that's been under the thumbs of its customers and weighed down by its
rent seekers for 80 years. These promote a number of the worst social and
economic pathologies.

2. Nationalized oil for Iran has meant corruption of state instrumentation
as various interest groups--political elite, merchants, government workers,
farmers, everyone and anyone belongs to some of these--competed for shares
of the state oil revenue. Simultaneously, it has slowed down the dissipation
of oil wealth because the state revenue has had to partially at least go into
some development.

3. Once the US becomes the world's top oil exporter and reliant on it for its
national security balance it will be susceptible to its customers' moods just
like Iran has been. Its economic complexity index will fall. Furthermore,
private exploitation which is the modus operandi in the US means there will
not even be a barrier of obligatory state expenses on how fast the resource
wealth transforms to bullion in certain offshore banks' vaults and some less
easily transportable hard wealth (land and indsutries).

4. On the face of it the US hydrocarbon exports plan is to buy paper back from
Asian creditors. India and East Asia--China and South Korea specifically--have
gained leverage in Iranian economy and promoted high-level corruption. They
will do times worse to the US. The sociopolitical pressures of China and
India, over 2.5 billion people and counting, will be directly and ruthlessly
translated to American sociopolitics. The private exploitation angle means
buyback will at best be partial. American civic life will not survive that.

5. In the article's supposed endgame where NAFTA exploitation of North
America's domestic resources would allow it to circumnavigate the Middle East,
of what utility would any American involvement in that region be?

6. Are the "Iranian deevs, Arab ifrits, and Jew malekhs" essentially what they
are presented to be or is their worth on the Imperial ladder a product of the
Empire's needs? Once those needs are met to the fullest elsewhere, as the
article purports, why would these populations stay as they are presented to
be? What new insurmountable challenges would transformations of those
populations present? (I could name you a few.)

7. Why would the US want to pit itself against anyone in the Middle East, in
favor of any other one, if not for some intrinsic value tied to the lands
rather than the peoples on them?

In summary, the "interesting" Mr. -son is a Clash-of-"Civilizations" stooge.
You can get an analysis of what's behind the memeplex he regurgitates here:

-- http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0415332664

Who do you think will come out standing from the Global Attrition Jihad?


#1184 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Nov 17 12:40:03 2014:

Top imports: 
Canada - Category 1: "Vehicles, other than railway"
Category 2: "Nuclear reactors, boilers, machinery" both tied @$63 
billion annual import. http://www.ats-sea.agr.gc.ca/stats/4679-
eng.htm
Iran - gold
Gold price peak - On Sept. 6, 2011, gold reached an all-time high of 
$1921.50

Why gold prices are low: High interest rates and low inflation are 
bad for gold. The opposite is true for high gold prices (when the 
economy is good, gold is cheaper).  

#1 The "Iran is dangerous, poor and doomed" angle was indicative of 
an obvious perspective. 
#2 Oil is not nationalized in the U.S. so the portrait is not 
compatible. State revenue comes from taxes, so The State will only 
encourage more oil production. #3 I think you are right here 
although the one saving grace will be that our exports are much much 
more diverse than traditional oil exporters. #4 not sure here from 
where I'm standing what the intent is. The message to Americans has 
always been, "cheaper oil/gas, more productive America" although 
greed will nullify this. Paying down Chinese debt? I don't trust our 
government to carry through with so many hands in the cookie jar. 
Either way, yes I can see Chinese and Indian influence. China holds 
$1.16 trillion in U.S. debt. Japan holds $1.12. You don't see 
horrible Japanese influence of American sociopolitics do you? US 
debt is $17 trillion. China's share is relatively small. Also: 
China's progress is predicated on America's progress. :)
#5 and #6 I see NAFTA as a mutually beneficial arrangement within 
North America. Look at the trade between America and Canada. The oil 
produced is likely going to be used up mostly in NA. Beyond that, 
the exports are not likely to destroy Middle East oil inc. because 
of China's needs. Yet "Jihad is a luxury item" is true here. Is the 
effort exclusive to riding the world of terror threats? I don't 
think so though. American involvement in that region? I can't 
imagine. Maybe Bill Gates will be feeding vitamins to the locals. 
How desperate will the locals get for sustenance? How will they 
react to the choking off of $? How will Middle Eastern governments 
react? Can they self-sustain without America's cash? Is Europe going 
to love the new oil prices? Will their business be enough? God only 
knows. #7 I am ignorant here. This is all new territory for me. Most 
Americans are not even at the realization that America is the #3 
world producer of oil so at least I'm ahead of that. On it's face, 
it looks like America is walking away from the Middle East. 
Resources other than oil can be purchased globally. 

Aside from all this, I always have a feeling like the shoe is going 
to drop here. The stock market can crash. Everything is vulnerable 
from several different angles. I can see why nations are hoarding 
gold. It's plain that the American dollar will collapse now or 
later. Perhaps domestic production of oil makes America less 
vulnerable to a great depression. Knowing it makes the politicians 
less likely to send po boys to kill the browns is a satisfying 
outcome. 

"Who do you think will come out standing from the Global Attrition 
Jihad?"
As you can see, this is all confusing for me. So many variables. 
It's hard to see the forest through the trees (distractions). I 
would like to think that America's bad actions stem from it's need 
for oil (as part of it's National Security). Domestic oil is 
supposed to be a solution but I understand your thinking that there 
could be something more the globalists will want from the land in 
the Middle East (like minerals, agriculture or labor).


#1185 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Nov 17 14:49:36 2014:

Re #1184:

When was the earlier gold peak? What was the trend since then? Why was gold
on a steep rise from 2000 onwards? Why was it nearly halved in price over two
years? Did 'economy' become twice as 'good' as all of 2000-2012 within 2
years?

Do interest rates and inflation follow gold or is it the other way around?
What's the effect of gold holdings declarations on FOREX and COMEX?

Which is the actual gold holdings of Iran: former CBI chief claim of over 900
tons (above Japan) or current CBI chief claim of slightly over 100 tons
(slightly above Poland)?

How come Iran's revenue was slashed in half (tens of billions) yet its
sovereign reserve fund only declined by just over 10 percent (ca. 5 billion)?

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Re. (1), the poor and doomed descriptions are actually correct. The question
is: how can Iran be dangerous if NAFTA resources are supposed to do the magic
of disentangling the US from Middle East? It doesn't compute that Iran would
be a threat to the US and irrelevant to US trade at the same time. The history
of an Iranian threat only makes sense because Iran has had some relevance to
US trade.

Re. (2), yes, that was the point. I explained the effects of oil
nationalization in Iran and contrasted it with the US. 

Re. (3), the US exports hi-tech products, food, and resources. Who can depend
on the US for both hi-tech and the resources that power it? How will they pay
for it?

Re. (4), the gist of the article's economic predictions was that oil exports
will empower the US in Asia. How else can can oil make this possible other
than by buying paper back? Japan is not a true sovereign state. It's a
protectorate under AMPO. The dynamics of its relationship to the US is
different than what the rest of Asia's is and would be. Want to see how
foreign leverage ruins domestic sociopolitics? Look at Israel. Chinese
"progress" follows primarily social pressures from within. Its threats and
opportunities, domestic and foreign, come from the demographics of Asia. Its
own population and that of two populous neighbors: India and Pakistan. The
notion that it has anything of note to do with American consumption is false.
China exports more to Japan and Hong Kong combined (both absolute and also
slightly over 2.5 times per capita) than to the US. It imports more than 3
times from Asia than from the US. It has the entire world to expand into and
it will--to the detriment of many, including Iran).

Re. (5), NAFTA resource exploitation could cover North American consumption
but leverage comes from exports. If US hydrocarbon is only going to extricate
the US from foreign entanglement what's the function of that leverage? What
objectives is the article suggesting? That's the crux of the matter and the
article's proposal: drill own land, stop needing oil, become a... heroic
cause.

Re. (6), too many I-don't-know's :-P It isn't that murky. USD is only worth
what it can buy and the current arrangement ensures what USD comes into the
Middle East will soon be circulated back which is unlike the Asian
arrangement. "Jihad is a luxury item" is categorically false. It's a
reactionary movement. The less its fighters have, the more they will gun for.
There is no "terror" threat per se, much less of a global nature. There is
only reactions to economic arrangements.

Re. (7), I do think there's intrinsic value to those lands and that that value
has nothing to do with what's under or over them. Rather with where they are.
That said, you can do away with my assumption and still have the article's
self-contradiction: the US is supposed to pose for/against in the Middle East
while extricating itself from it. How does that make sense?

Another summary: what the article goes about is that Empire as a heroic
cause--rather than as a petty resource grab--can be maintained if only the
stability of hydrocarbon importers, as maintained by current US
military-political machinations, can be saved from its involvement with the
Middle East. Yet the term 'economic domination' is used in the same article.
What economic domination is good for if the Empire is supposed to become a
heroic cause? What's the heroic cause to begin with? Answer: American
religion.

No one who has started religious wars has come out standing from them.


#1186 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Nov 17 17:06:24 2014:

Global economy warning lights are flashing, says PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-30075810

"The eurozone is teetering on the brink of a possible third 
recession, with high unemployment, falling growth and the real risk 
of falling prices too.

"Emerging markets, which were the driver of growth in the early 
stages of the recovery, are now slowing down."

And he said the Ebola epidemic, conflict in the Middle East and 
Russia's illegal actions in Ukraine were all adding to a "dangerous 
backdrop of instability and uncertainty".
----------------------------------------
No word on how Cameron proposes to "fix" the problem. Smells like 
World War on the horizon. 


#1187 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Nov 17 17:17:52 2014:

1 in every 30 kids in the U.S. is homeless, report finds
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2014/11/17/every-kids-us-
homeless-report-finds/19170833/

Plenty of resources to support Mexico's unwashed adventure seekers. 


#1188 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Nov 17 18:24:06 2014:

> UPDATE 4-BHP to test U.S. oil export ban by selling without formal ruling

-- http://is.gd/85d7K9
-- (redirects to Reuters)

NAFTA hydrocarbon remains in NA, you said? *snort*


#1189 of 1674 by tod on Tue Nov 18 05:08:30 2014:

re #1183
Eugene is very clever


#1190 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Nov 18 06:29:26 2014:

Re #1189:

Because he economized on own word count? ;-)


#1191 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Nov 18 11:42:11 2014:

'Saudi prince paid for 9/11 pilots to learn to fly': Incredible 
claims of '20th hijacker' serving life in prison for terrorism as he 
asks to testify again in court and reveal all
http://tinyurl.com/puh5bv3

"credibility issue"?

In 2006 a recording emerged online of Osama bin Laden distancing 
himself from Moussaoui. He said: 'He had no connection at all with 
September 11. I am the one in charge of the 19 brothers, and I never 
assigned brother Zacarias to be with them in that mission.'

Not an inside job?
(thought I posted this but came into work and it was still up on my 
screen)


#1192 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Nov 18 14:39:01 2014:

Calls a state of emergency when there's no emergency. 
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/11/17/nixon-activates-missouri-
national-guard/



#1193 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Nov 18 16:36:53 2014:

Re #1191:

Ever wonder who that 'Intel Center' is?

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rita_Katz

A "one-woman" operation that regularly "found" bin-Laden videos "on the
Internet." Just because.


#1194 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Nov 18 19:38:31 2014:

She sounds great. 

Yours truly, 
a committed Zionist


#1195 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Nov 18 19:42:54 2014:

Hilarity ensues: http://tinyurl.com/lvtrk5l


#1196 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Nov 18 19:53:47 2014:

Re #1195:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Frankhouser

Enjoy.

A sack of shit is a sack of shit by any name: Nazi or Jew.


#1197 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Nov 18 19:55:12 2014:

"Stay The Course"

Ferguson protesters met with Mr. Obama last week in an unpublicized 
private White House meeting&#8203;, as reported by The New York
Times&#8203;. Others  in the meeting were not identified, but Al
Sharpton said Mr. Obama told  them to  stay the course. 

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/18/ernest-
istook-will-ferguson-race-riots-help-obama-/#ixzz3JS4GGpjx 
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter


#1198 of 1674 by tod on Wed Nov 19 05:45:13 2014:

re #1190
A literary agent sometimes looks for quantity over quality ;)

re #1197
Someone once told me to stay the course...and I was heading for a
waterfall


#1199 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Nov 19 06:28:38 2014:

Re #1198:

-- http://i.imgur.com/ZjupG36.jpg


#1200 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Nov 19 11:53:23 2014:

#1198 Staying the course will be met with what I'm guessing is going to 
be called America's Tiananmen Square incident. I think it's safe to say 
this is going to be a rollout/tryout of all that militarized police 
equipment. At every point in this case there are threats of violence. 
If you don't do things our way, we riot. So if he's indited, then they 
will say, "he's guilty or we riot again". Nonsense. Will the Ferguson 
riot be an excuse for people in other cities to riot? I'm guessing yes.


#1201 of 1674 by tod on Thu Nov 20 05:05:39 2014:

re #1199
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhn0Wdc-tNM


#1202 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Nov 20 20:08:24 2014:

Re #1201:

> Exclusive: The mainstream media's big takeaway from Richard Nixon's
> Watergate resignation is that "the cover-up is always worse than the
> crime." But that's because few understand the crime behind Watergate,
> Nixon's frantic search for a file on his 1968 subversion of Vietnam
> peace talks, reports Robert Parry.

-- http://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/09/the-heinous-crime-behind-watergate/

However, 

> "The Orcs were beasts of humanized shape (to mock Men and Elves)
> deliberately perverted / converted into a more close resemblance to Men.
> Their 'talking' was really reeling off 'records' set in them by Melkor.
> Even their rebellious critical words  he knew about them. Melkor taught
> them speech and as they bred they inherited this; and they had just as
> much independence as have, say, dogs or horses of their human masters.
> This talking was largely echoic (cf. parrots)."

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orc_(Middle-earth)

And so...

> In 1982, New York Times reporter Raymond Bonner broke the story of the
> El Mozote massacre. This report was strongly criticized by AIM and the
> Reagan White House, and Bonner was pressured into business reporting,
> later deciding to resign. Although the report was embarrassing to the
> Reagan administration, who was heavily aiding the right-wing junta at
> the time, skeletons unearthed a decade later confirmed the original
> story's veracity.

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_in_Media

> AIM received a substantial amount of funding from Richard Mellon Scaife
> who paid Christopher W. Ruddy to investigate allegations that President
> Bill Clinton was connected to the suicide of Vincent Foster. AIM
> contended that "Foster was murdered", which is contrary to three
> independent reports including one by Kenneth Starr. AIM faulted the
> media for not picking up on the conspiracy. The organization even
> went to court for documents and recordings linked to the case.

-- ibid.

... howls the wolf...

> China, Hacking and Murder
> 
> [...]
> 
> The case has gotten a lot of media attention over the last two years,
> much of it featured on a Justice4Shane Todd website. Still, Mary Todd
> and her husband Rick cannot get either Congress or the Obama
> administration to take up the cause of their murdered son and hold his
> killers accountable.
> 
> [...]

-- http://www.aim.org/aim-column/china-hacking-and-murder/

... to "Protect and Serve" the sheep:

> Another supporter of what political historian Alan J. Lichtman has
> called a "white Protestant nation" [29]. Scaife money comes primarily
> from the Mellon family's oil and bank holdings. Like Bradley and Donors
> Capital, it funds groups that have long been the engine of the
> neo-conservative movement in the United States, such as the American
> Enterprise Institute, the Federalist Society, and the Heritage
> Foundation. Among the multiple think tanks that Scaife helps fund is the
> Foundation for Defense of Democracies, whose right-wing pro-Likud and
> anti-Iran advocacy attracts support from funders who are less
> neo-conservative and more Israel-focused than Scaife [30]. The Scaife
> Foundations' only foray into funding Jewish political groups involved
> grants ($300,000) to the American Jewish Committee for "publication
> support" of Commentary, the Jewish neoconservative magazine.

-- http://is.gd/ksqkKp
-- (redirects to TheAmericanMuslim.org)


#1203 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Nov 20 21:21:16 2014:

Do you believe this Jew?

> Iran and the US have failed their way to success
> 
> by Meir Javedanfar
> November 20, 2014 2:00AM ET
> 
> [...]
> 
> Since the 1979 Iranian revolution, the road of U.S failures in dealing
> with Iran is a road well traveled. This road was most recently
> frequented by President George W. Bush.
> 
> For years, when it came to negotiating over Iran's nuclear program, he
> insisted on the condition that Iran suspend uranium enrichment first. It
> was revealed in 2013 that in 2004 he made an offer to Iran to reach a
> grand bargain through direct talks. After Iran's Supreme Leader
> Ayatollah Ali Khamenei rejected the offer, the Bush administration went
> back to its original policy of basing talks on conditions and maintained
> it until the end of his term.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/NGq0CC
-- (redirects to America.al-Jazeera)

Well, you shouldn't believe the Jew, ever. Even when he seems to talk softly.
His realism is deceit. He's a "wolf in sheep's clothing" and lying about
history is his weapon of choice. His confessions are just cover-ups for worse
crimes.

> The grand bargain with Tehran
> 
> Peaceful resolution of Iran's nuclear programme through negotiations
> would be the best outcome for Israel
> 
> Meir Javedanfar
> Tuesday 3 March 2009 19.30 GMT
> 
> On 4 May 2003, the Iranian government sent a proposal to Washington, in
> which Tehran offered the Bush administration direct talks over a wide
> range of issues. This proposal, which later became known as the Iranian
> "grand bargain", offered negotiations over Iran's support for groups
> such as Hamas and Hizbullah, stabilising Iraq, and Iran's nuclear
> programme. Feeling emboldened by its recent victory in Iraq, the Bush
> administration ignored the offer. "We don't talk to evil," was the reply
> from vice-president Cheney who, according to some reports, had Iran in
> its sights as the next target for regime change.
> 
> [...]

-- http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/mar/03/iran-nuclear-weapon
s

The Jew has perfected the capacity to tell Goebbels lies. A truth might be
set in stone. He himself might have admitted it. He doesn't mind. He speaks
the opposite and repeats the lie brazenly. No shame.


#1204 of 1674 by tod on Sat Nov 22 16:36:28 2014:

Is a mountain Jew a Khazar in disguise?  Still tracing my DNA.


#1205 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Nov 22 17:00:46 2014:

I don't really care about genetics and would never correlate identity with
genes. I'm not an insane American running murderous eugenics. "It's worse than
a crime; it's a mistake."

'Jew' is a self-identification. The person chooses it for the benefits. Could
as well dissociate.

This might enlighten you, too:

> Putting IBD to Bed
> 
> IBD plays a big part in my understanding of inheritance. I don't mean
> inflammatory bowel disease. Nor do I mean isolation by distance. I'm
> talking identity by descent. Assuming your parents are "unrelated" then
> you are identical by descent with your sibling across some portion of
> your genome. You inherit identical segments from your parents, though
> due to recombination they will usually be non-identical at least across
> some part of the chromosome. Because of the law of segregation you
> should overlap 25% with your full sibling on the copy of the genes
> inherited from your mother and father (double that, and you get 50%).
> But this is an expected value. As it happens many siblings are not
> exactly 50% (e.g., I know of full siblings who share 40% of their
> genomes identical by descent from their parents). In the pre-genomic age
> this detail about variation was elided because usually you couldn't
> precisely estimate the identity by descent. Rather, you just assume that
> you share 1/2 your genome with your full sibling, 1/4 with a half
> sibling or aunt/uncle or grandparent, 1/8 with your first cousin, and so
> forth.
> 
> [...]

-- http://www.unz.com/gnxp/putting-ibd-to-bed/


#1206 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Nov 22 21:13:18 2014:

I don't really have an identity. I don't need one either. 

As far as identity is concerned where we live: I believe people will 
identify YOU by your appearance and your last name in America. 

If your last name is "Jewish sounding" (aka -man, -berg, -vitz, -witz,
or  -sky) people assume Jew. If you have a Jewfro you are locked in! 

The reason I don't take any of it seriously is that most people don't 
really care here except for the people who do expect some kind of
special  treatment or kinship from people they assume identify
themselves  similarly. 


#1207 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Nov 22 22:12:32 2014:

Identity is an inextricable part of human life. Its construction, however,
is multifactorial. Genotype, epigenetics, phenotype, socialization, and
individual variations--conscious or unconscious--all play into it. Knowledge
of identity produces identity politics--the engineering of identity. Jennifer
Government, John Nike, or tod's favorite: Joe "Duff" Mercer.

Zealous reduction of complex constructions to any single factor, or subset,
only clouds the observer's view. Or serves some personal or group--can't do
away with IDPOL--agenda. That isn't to say analysis is impossible. It just
requires dedication, honesty, and up to par models.


#1208 of 1674 by tod on Sat Nov 22 23:08:37 2014:

It wasn't a big deal until the hospital sent us to meet the geneticist
after they spotted "soft signs" of something which had a higher
prevalence for certain "identities"


#1209 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Nov 22 23:32:30 2014:

Re #1208:

Count the elements:

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28PPqlc39Qw


#1210 of 1674 by tod on Sat Nov 22 23:56:37 2014:

re #1209
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz5w06Naq0c


#1211 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Nov 23 00:23:13 2014:

Re #1210:

The midgets are the polyps or the priest is Barrett's *chuckle*

("Soft signs" having to do with LRRK2?)


#1212 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Nov 23 00:31:07 2014:

I forget. #1210 is gold.


#1213 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Nov 23 00:39:14 2014:

Zingarella - that's what I want for Christmas!

#1210 I'm wearing the same yellow & black striped tights. Coincidence!


#1214 of 1674 by tod on Sun Nov 23 04:42:31 2014:

Dr Rockso no likey


#1215 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Nov 23 05:37:00 2014:

> Revealed: UK 'mercenaries' fighting Islamic State terrorist forces in
> Syria
> 
> Former infantryman James Hughes from Reading, and Jamie Read from
> Lanarkshire, are said to be in Rojava, northern Syria

-- http://is.gd/sPJawn
-- (redirects to The Guardian)

1. Read the comments. Some of the threads are precious.

2. So, tell me: how many SOF, since when, and taking orders from where?


#1216 of 1674 by tod on Sun Nov 23 17:51:58 2014:

 taking orders from where?

Kurdish YPJ?


#1217 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Nov 23 18:48:20 2014:

Re #1216:

False. Kurds can't get their basic history straight. Logistics of recruiting
professional military like this is beyond them.


#1218 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Nov 23 19:04:59 2014:

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#1219 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Nov 23 22:40:52 2014:

Always Zionists fighting with deadly gefilte fish.


#1220 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Nov 23 22:45:16 2014:

You think Uncle Sam has no agenda of his own?


#1221 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Nov 23 22:53:39 2014:

Of course! Everyone has an agenda. The most prolific are the ones with
the  most resources and friends and have the biggest brain trust. With
that in  mind, America is most dangerous. Israel continues to be a huge
mystery to me.


#1222 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Nov 23 23:11:01 2014:

#1220 was regarding #1219 seeming to insinuate #1217 is solely indicting
"Zionists" with their "deadly gefilte fish."

Israel is a symbiosis of the Empire and a transnational criminal network's
pet project. The stars aligned.

If 'most resources, friends, and biggest brain trust' were sufficient or even
necessary there would never have been a Mongol invasion.


#1223 of 1674 by tod on Mon Nov 24 04:26:17 2014:

re #1215
The headlines of UK people die fighting for Syrian IS out numbers that 
mercenary headline by hundreds.  The Kurd chicks fighting are hot - why
is it not plausible veterans would want to be alongside them?


#1224 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Nov 24 05:46:47 2014:

Re #1223:

Who does the headline logistics? Kurds? Who sends the arms? Who arranges the
ranks?

That's uncharacteristically naive of you. Fight alongside what? For what? I
don't even see sides in this. By all indications, including the 'ISIS
condemnation' responses from Mozzie clerics, it's a puppet show beyond belief.
You already see the clerics on the same "side" as those who wipe their rear
with the ISIS flag that has the equivalent of Tetragrammaton written on it.
Accident?

See any "hot-chick" PJAK headlines? How long till Komala spawns some "hot
chicks?"

I told you the story where all my paternal side are Kurds, where I speak (a
dialect of) the language, and where my father as a militaryman was sent not
once, but twice, under two different ruling states to put Kurds down which
he did--didn't I? Komala "chicks" weren't "hot" back then or what? Or mi pappi
picked the wrong side? Saddam, Pahlavis, the Turks, the Islamic Republic, the
Americans, the British, and the (usual fly-in-the-soup) Jews have played Kurds
and moved them around like cattle in stampede for decades. Over and over.
Which is something that happens to you when you have delusions of grandeur
but your written history goes back only eight decades.

There were images of that celebrity-city's infrastructure being hammered down
by bombs under the pretext that they were 'held by militants.' Who's going
to rebuild those for Kurds? "Hot chicks?" Or a variation on the Assad,
Erdogan, Obama, Khamenei, Saud, Thani mishmash?

The idea is preposterous that the deluded bunch known as Kurds--the delusions
are not entirely unlike those of the Jews but in Western host countries they
have been worlds less successful--is running a functional recruitment campaign
across Europe when the same bunch could not convince even the majority of
their own to fight for any of their causes.

If you look in the comments there's mention of 'Median Empire.' Can you guess
where that came from and why "biker gangs" from Europe would pick that name?
(Hint: Middle East's expats are even deeper in historical delusion; cf. Jews.)


#1225 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Nov 24 08:40:35 2014:

> The Iran-Cuba-Venezuela Nexus
>
> By MARY ANASTASIA O'GRADY
>  
> The West underestimates the growing threat from radical Islam in the
> Americas.

-- http://is.gd/shz35U
-- (redirects to online.WSJ)

Iran is everywhere, baby. Brace your pantaloons.


#1226 of 1674 by tod on Wed Nov 26 04:44:42 2014:

re #1224
There is no "right" side in war.  War is Hell.  People die and it is beyond
tragic.  I'm sorry your pappi and uncle were involved in things like that.
I was pointing out that Britons and Yanks as individuals may join either
side for various reasons.  


#1227 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Nov 26 05:27:29 2014:

Re #1226:

While war is condemnable in general it is sometimes just and necessary. There
certainly are sides to war: winners and losers. I tried to explain the
(understandable and tragically heroic) cultural obstinacy of a
mountain-dwelling tribal bunch some of whom came to cities, like my father,
and found out the world is moving on quite fast. While Kurds remain a
mountain-dwelling tribal bunch their social organization capacity remains
abysmal which absolves them from the cardinal sin of modern warfare and
condemns them to cultural extinction. The clownish existence of Iraq's
Kurdistan Region over the past few years, despite relative autonomy, made that
clearer than before.

As to the mercs in question my stance is that their reasons have been given
them. They have not found those reasons of their own initiative and they
certainly do not understand the dynamics of what they're being pawns to. I
also insinuated on #1215 that (deniable) agents of the US are directly
involved in the Syrian civil war at all levels. What better deniability than
'soldiers of (some) ideology?' If "ISIS" can pull that so can the "West."

(Britons and Yanks don't have much of a claim to individuality by the very
wearing of 'Briton' and 'Yank' on their sleeves but that's really besides the
point of this talk.)


#1228 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Nov 26 17:37:34 2014:

Jim Morrison was right. The West really is the best. Find out for
yourself. http://tinyurl.com/ma7dmnp


#1229 of 1674 by tod on Wed Nov 26 20:30:04 2014:

re #1227
 (Britons and Yanks don't have much of a claim to individuality by the very
 wearing of 'Briton' and 'Yank' on their sleeves but that's really besides
the
 point of this talk.)

Ideology of Islam or Christian is a long tradition for recruitment.  I
agree that under the fluff there is likely plenty of Northrup Grumman
cackling near the stock ticker.  Where do you suppose Moscow sits
in all of this?


#1230 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Nov 26 21:25:36 2014:

Re #1228:

No dear, those techniques were perfected, criticized, abandoned, readopted
over and over while the "West" was rolling in its own manure. I suspect you
get kicks from associating with the Bad Boys of Efficiency and imagine
membership in a sort of cultish Brotherhood of Techne. Things aren't how you
imagine them, though, historically speaking. Self-congratulation towards an
imagined self is fun, I reckon.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Re #1229:

What the news says about Russia is that it's supporting Assad. If the
question's genuine, well, that's as much as I have gathered: Russia provides
various forms of support to the (formerly?) legitimate ruling state of Syria.
If you were implying it's all the same, no, it isn't. Among other things that
Russia doesn't need to keep it off the books should say something.

You could be implying Russia has a hand in "ISIS," though, which doesn't mesh
with what I've read. It is imaginable but would invalidate many data points
I've assumed to be fact.


#1231 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Nov 26 23:48:36 2014:

> Iran Says Close to Saudi Oil-Market View Before Meeting

-- http://is.gd/HAutRg
-- (redirects to Bloomberg)

Given other claims I've read that's odd. What am I missing?

Is it

1. Iran and Saudi Arabia colluding with the US to pressure Russia;

or

2. Iran bluffing about not minding the prices;

or

3. Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Russia trying to choke American oil;

or

4. somthing altogether else?


#1232 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Nov 27 01:03:39 2014:

#1230 Did you read the article? Islamic State uses businesses 101
tactics  similar to General Motors. Modeling their hierarchy on the
great success  story from the great satan. Imitation is flattery right?
No different than  the West they are rallying against. That will make it
much easier to bring  them down. The only people en masse I can think of
living in manure are  those living in 3rd world backward hell holes. 

"Bad Boys of Efficiency" yes! Great Americans from 100 years ago
emulated by  China and India too. China has it's fingers in Iraq now.
The new kid on the  block with straws in the sand. Now that America is
pumping it's own oil does  that make China the bad guys?
http://www.history.com/shows/men-who-built-america

Oil: Saudi's are playing chicken but the "poorer members" of OPEC are
paying  the price. 
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/saudis-suggest-no-opec-output-152902299.htm
l

VIENNA (AP)   Top OPEC producer Saudi Arabia suggested Wednesday there
is no  need for the cartel to cut its output ceiling despite a plunge in
prices  that has poorer members of the organization hurting.

Saudi Oil Minister Ali Naimi told reporters he expects the oil market to
 eventually "stabilize itself." That suggests the Saudis, who
effectively  determine OPEC's production policy, will not back any calls
for reducing  output by other nations at Thursday's oil ministers'
meeting.

The global price of oil has fallen 32 percent since late June to $78 a 
barrel, from $115, amid booming shale production in the United States.
That,  and continued weakness in some major world economies, has led to
supply  outpacing demand.

While the Saudis can weather such prices, poorer OPEC members like
Venezuela  and Nigeria need prices closer to $100 to fund national
budgets. Iran too is  suffering, with the price drop adding to huge
revenue losses due to  sanctions on it crude sales imposed over its
nuclear program.

Non-OPEC member Russia also needs prices substantially above present
levels  to meet budget goals. Russian energy officials met with
representatives from  Saudi Arabia, Venezuela and Mexico Tuesday but
Venezuelan oil minister  Rafael Ramirez said there was no agreement on a
joint production cut.




#1233 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Nov 27 02:09:58 2014:

Re #1230:

That's what I said. It's self-congratulation on your part--or on part of the
Businessweek, really. You will do well reading up on the history... of ideas.

About the oil price issue what you quoted is what I referred to with 'given
other claims.' Now you have the Iranian statement to contrast. It could be
a bluff or it could point at something more complex than an oil price war
between Saudi Arabia and country X. I listed the hypotheses I could think of
with an opening for what I couldn't imagine.


#1234 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Nov 27 19:06:24 2014:

Addition to #1231:

Was given this article to read very recently. Maybe this

> China Asks: How much will it cost us to make Solar Cheaper than Coal?

-- http://is.gd/pNr0yP
-- (redirects to MonetaryRealism.com)

means there's something very promising about other sources of energy that are
competing with hydrocarbons and that's naturally lowering demand?


#1235 of 1674 by tod on Fri Nov 28 18:50:37 2014:

re #1234
Add in "water stress" and how pollution affects its availability.


#1236 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Nov 28 20:26:06 2014:

Black Friday comes to the UK. You are welcome. 
Chaos and violence marrs Black Friday across country
Police were drafted in to deal with huge crowds as a string of stores
slashed  their prices http://tinyurl.com/mvm3xl3


#1237 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Nov 28 21:19:40 2014:

Re #1235:

Wouldn't 'water stress' actually slow extraction of shale hydrocarbons in
particular and other hydrocarbons in general?

On the other end it can discourage consumption of hydrocarbons, too, of
course.

Every industry is affected in some way so... I don't see how the net effect
would be an oil price slump.

Or, were you referring byproducts of PV panel production?


#1238 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Nov 28 22:07:08 2014:

> New Cyber-Weapon Belies Spy Agencies' National Security Claims
> 
> Washington's cyber spies haven't been resting on their laurels since
> unleashing the infamous Stuxnet computer worm in 2009.
> 
> Now, researchers at security firm Symantec have exposed another advanced
> cyber-weapon called Regin, which British and American intelligence
> agencies very likely used to hack into computer systems at the European
> Union, along with other high-level targets around the world.
> 
> The global Regin "hit list" belies the intelligence agencies' claims
> that their spying is limited to missions of national security. Nearly
> half of those targeted were private individuals and small businesses,
> according to Symantec. The other half included telecom providers, energy
> companies, airlines, research institutes and the hospitality industry.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/EKly96
-- (redirects to WhoWhatWhy.com)


#1239 of 1674 by tod on Sat Nov 29 00:32:53 2014:

It's ok, Regin is for export only. *cough*


#1240 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Nov 29 01:07:14 2014:

Yeaaaaaah, it is.

> The "Double Government" Secret Gets Out
> 
> [...]
> 
> Glennon will likely avoid the damaging label as well, with extensive
> research and more than 800 footnotes in his book to back up his thesis.
> The author "is hardly the sort to engage in such fantasies," Edwards
> wrote:
> 
> This is no secret conspiracy nor a plot to deprive Americans of their
> civil liberties. It is the unintended consequence of a thoughtful
> attempt to head off the very threats that those attempts have
> inadvertently created. But if Glennon's book is enlightening it is also
> scary. And it's not fiction.
> 
> Glennon turns to a familiar explanationthat every nation gets the
> government it deservesto bolster his argument as to why the double
> government has been able to flourish:
> 
> "The ultimate problem is the pervasive political ignorance on the part
> of the American people. And indifference to the threat that is emerging
> from these concealed institutions," he told the Globe.
> 
> [...]

-- http://whowhatwhy.com/2014/11/04/double-government-secret-gets/


#1241 of 1674 by tod on Sat Nov 29 04:00:20 2014:

What secret conspiracies?
http://articles.latimes.com/1986-01-30/news/mn-2168_1_mafia-lawyers


#1242 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Nov 29 04:27:56 2014:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidden_variable_theory


#1243 of 1674 by tod on Sat Nov 29 18:35:41 2014:

Wilcox says Donovan killed Patton
(he stole the idea from a movie of fiction)


#1244 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Nov 29 23:09:12 2014:

Re #1243:

That story lists three strange attempts at his life rolled into one. He
must've been made of sturdy materials with good probabilistic properties.
Somehow, the alleged hitman is more interesting than the alleged patriot...

As to collusions, this version:

-- http://is.gd/SHfgEb

leaveas out this version:

-- http://www.dtic.mil/get-tr-doc/pdf?AD=ADA441842

Patton fanfic could be leaving out similar details.


#1245 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Nov 30 00:25:52 2014:

Reversal of "Arab Spring": Maybe we can be friends again when Obama
leaves  office? We have wheat, GMO corn and GMO soybeans and a want for
markets to  expand into.
---------------------------------------------------- Egypt court drops
murder charges against Mubarak
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20141129/ml--egypt-75985eb344.html

CAIRO (AP)   An Egyptian court on Saturday dismissed murder charges
against  former President Hosni Mubarak in connection with the killing
of hundreds of  protesters in the 2011 uprising that ended his nearly
three-decade rule,  citing the "inadmissibility" of the case due to a
technicality.

The ruling marks another major setback for the young activists who 
spearheaded the Arab Spring-inspired uprising nearly four years ago --
many  of whom are now in jail or have withdrawn from politics. It will
likely  reinforce the perception that Mubarak's autocratic state remains
in place,  albeit led by a new president, former military chief
Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi.

Morsi, the Islamist who succeeded Mubarak, is also detained and faces a
slew  of charges, including some related to the killing of protesters,
which could  see him sentenced to death. He was elected in Egypt's first
democratic  presidential election in 2012 but was overthrown by el-Sissi
a year later  amid massive protests calling for his resignation.

Since then the government has launched a sweeping crackdown on Morsi's 
Muslim Brotherhood group and other supporters, killing hundreds and
jailing  thousands. It has also jailed scores of secular activists,
including some of  the leaders of the 2011 uprising, for violating a
draconian law regulating  street protests that was adopted a year ago.


#1246 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Nov 30 00:43:35 2014:

What makes you think it ever hinged on whoever the POTUS is?


#1247 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Nov 30 04:17:50 2014:

The success of Arab Spring or severing ties with a former ally?


#1248 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Nov 30 04:57:43 2014:

The course of Egypt's sociopolitical changes and the US' attempts at
sabotaging what's in the best interests of Egyptians. It is POTUS-independent.


#1249 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Nov 30 13:15:32 2014:

#1248 
"The course of Egypt's sociopolitical changes"
Obvious.

"US' attempts at sabotaging what's in the best interests of Egyptians"
Are you 100% certain? 
I'm not. 
Exhibit A:  In a dramatic shift toward a major Arab ally, the Obama 
administration announced a suspension of significant military aid to
Egypt  on Wednesday over the bloody crackdown on the Muslim Brotherhood.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/09/world/meast/us-egypt-aid/
How can Egypt fight against terrorists in Sinai? No more advanced 
helicopters or parts needed to keep their warplanes in service either. 
Obama's hand.

Exhibit B" Related. 
"Washington should be more interested in helping Egypt defeat jihadis
than  in punishing Cairo for its repressive approach in Sinai."

"Sinai-based terrorists have killed over 500 Egyptian security personnel
in  the past three years, staged cross-border attacks against Israel
and, in  some cases, mimicked ISIS s beheading tactics. The recent
announcement that  Ansar Beit al-Maqdis, Sinai's most lethal jihadi
group, has sworn allegiance  to ISIS makes it incumbent on Washington to
start working more closely with  Egypt on counterterrorism."
http://tinyurl.com/q72denh

Egypt's security. Gaza. Terrorists. ISIS. Obama policy interfering. 



#1250 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Nov 30 21:58:47 2014:

Re #1249:

It isn't Obama policy. It's US policy, with or without Obama. POTUS is offered
a range of 'options' by the establishment all of which lead to Rome, and he
is none the wiser. He picks one based on his notions of his relationship to
the establishment and his election platform.

> Are you 100% certain? 

Yes. I'm 100% certain political maturation of Egypt has been stunted for
decades by violent manipulation. It's the equivalent of me cutting your
child's limbs off bit by bit, starting at the fingers.


#1251 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Dec 1 14:30:56 2014:

Bird bomb? 
http://tinyurl.com/o58uxu5

Interesting how low tech solutions are sometimes the most effective. 
I suspect we will be hearing more about this approach to surveillance 
and warfare. 


#1252 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Dec 1 15:03:57 2014:

USN uses dolphins but when Sudan said Israel was deploying spy vultures
everybody laughed.


#1253 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Dec 1 15:12:28 2014:

Sudan is #6 right before Iran. The spy vultures are in boot camp.
The dolphins will soon be replaced. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knifefish_(robot)


#1254 of 1674 by tod on Mon Dec 1 15:20:05 2014:

Spy vultures like cheeseburgers


#1255 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Dec 1 15:24:40 2014:

Re #1253:

I mostly pity the posterity who has to pay for that junk.


#1256 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Dec 1 15:36:25 2014:

#1255 I would LOVE to see the blueprints for that thing. Why on earth 
does it has to be 19 feet? BIG battery? Perhaps. 


#1257 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Dec 1 16:01:44 2014:

Re #1256:

I don't have the slightest clue, naturally.


#1258 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Dec 1 17:14:54 2014:

I have worked on systems for electric & hybrid vehicles. The batteries 
are usually the big (emphasis on "big") issue. Unless the underwater 
drone is going to be going for short distances for short periods of 
time, the batteries are going to be substantial; especially if they 
plan on re-using the craft. It's going to have to come back to the 
mothership on it's own power. Whatever happened to good old nuclear 
power? ;)

I have seen this in real life many times: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Nucleon


#1259 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Dec 1 18:36:23 2014:

Is there a slur for anti-gentile? "nationality bill" for your 
consideration
---------------------------------------

Conservative movement: Jewish nation-state law will 'erode Israeli 
democracy'
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/.premium-1.629446

Masorti movement's American, Israeli leaders call on Netanyahu to 
reconsider bill that 'risks attrition the rights of Arabs and other 
minorities' and of Israel's democratic values.

"Current versions of a new nationality bill now under discussion 
will erode, rather than strengthen, the democratic character of 
Israel. Strong and clear opposition by leading figures currently in 
office, including President Reuven Rivlin, raise important issues of 
the possible erosion of democratic freedoms resulting from this 
bill, the risk of attrition of the rights of Arabs and other 
minorities and the risk of further eroding values of religious 
pluralism,  the statement said."
-----------------------------------------
Here's the irony: any such bill introduced in any other country's 
parliament would be rightfully demonized. The truth is, this bill if 
signed into law will give justification to countries around the 
world to target Jews and other minorities. 


#1260 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Dec 1 23:16:06 2014:

Where've you been all this time:

> It is hard to muster sympathy for the US, its ignorant country bumpkins
> and vacuous city slickers, but one can't resist a degree of pity at the
> sight of "the world's only superpower" being humiliated by what one
> French diplomat described in a moment of honesty as "that shitty little
> country Israel".
> 
> [...]
> 
> Normally -- in fact, always and without exception -- in order for the US
> to permit citizens of a foreign country to enter the US without a visa,
> that country must allow Americans to enter without a visa as well. There
> are 37 countries which have been permitted entrance into America's "visa
> waiver" programme, and all of them -- all 37 -- reciprocate by allowing
> American citizens to enter their country without a visa.
> 
> This, however, doesn't suit Israel, which routinely refuses to permit
> Americans of Arab ethnicity or Muslim backgrounds, or anyone who is
> critical of Israeli actions or supportive of Palestinian rights, to
> enter the country or the occupied territories it controls. In a massive
> display of chutzpah, it refuses to relinquish this discriminatory
> practice of exclusion toward Americans, even as it seeks to enter the
> US's visa-free programme for the benefit of Israeli citizens.
> 
> But rather than tell Israel to either behave as civilized nations do or
> go to hell, the Zionist stooge, Boxer, joined by eight other Democrats
> and nine Republicans, has introduced a bill that would provide for
> Israel's membership of the visa waiver programme while vesting it with a
> right that no other country in this programme has: namely, the right to
> exclude selected Americans from the visa-free right of entrance.
> 
> [...]

-- http://www.redressonline.com/2013/04/betraying-americans-for-israel/

Also, Jews and minorities my ass. The sacks of shit own half the world.
Everybody else is a minor.


#1261 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Dec 2 22:05:35 2014:

ISIS leader Abu Bakr al Baghdadi's wife and daughter caught sneaking
into  Lebanon.  http://tinyurl.com/n9qq5pk

"Al-Dulaimi's arrest will be used as leverage to negotiate the release
of 27  members of Lebanese security forces who are being held by ISIS,
Reuters  says. Her capture was achieved with the assistance of "foreign 
intelligence." Al-Baghdadi is a mysterious figure; he's thought to be
around 43 years old,  to have been born in Iraq, and to have been held
in U.S. custody in that  country for a period of somewhere between eight
months and four years.  Reports differ as to whether he has two or three
wives." ----------------------------------- Foreign intelligence. Yeah.
Too bad other "terrorists" on the payroll didn't  intercept them and
behead them. 


#1262 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Dec 3 00:28:56 2014:

As oil prices plunge, wide-ranging effects for consumers and the global 
economy
http://tinyurl.com/qcsgxos

Plunging fuel prices are good for the American economy, although
American  oil producers are losers. OPEC annual revenue will suffer.
Russia, Venezuela and Iran are big losers.  Opinions vary on what this
will do the global economy but a 40% savings on  fuel could spur growth.

Rohani, you are the next contestant on Let's Make a Deal!
http://tinyurl.com/mwjhybw
"We can work it out", says Rohani


#1263 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Dec 3 02:30:56 2014:

OPEC itself voted for keeping production levels. Iran complained but didn't
act otherwise. The other side of this is that Iran a heavy importer. Lower
oil price lowers Iran's consumer burden.

Then there's this:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s_commodities_boom

Oil prices won't change Rouhani's hand. What's unclear to me personally is
what his hand is to begin with.


#1264 of 1674 by tod on Wed Dec 3 14:53:23 2014:

The pain...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ3Ul5HDZ3o


#1265 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Dec 4 05:15:43 2014:

Operation Ridiculingpansy.


#1266 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Dec 4 13:40:47 2014:

US Secretary of State John Kerry says any Iranian action against 
Islamic State (IS) in Iraq would be "positive".
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30306106

He would not confirm Pentagon claims that Iran carried out strikes 
on IS. Iran is not a member of the US-led coalition and denies any 
co-operation.

Mr Kerry praised the alliance for inflicting "significant" damage on 
IS, but said IS ideology, funding and recruitment needed to be 
destroyed.

His comments came after the coalition's first high-level meeting in 
Brussels.

IS controls large areas of Syria and Iraq, imposing a rigid version 
of Sunni Islam and persecuting or killing non-believers.
---------------------------------------------------
The fact that the ISIS weapon wasn't pointed at Iran in the first 
place is interesting to me. "useful idiots" 
I wonder if there's any expected reciprocal back scratching from 
either side. 


#1267 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Dec 4 14:05:26 2014:

Some observations/thoughts on Iran's nuclear plants:
1. Is Stuxnet a distant memory?
2. I do not believe uncle Sam cares about Iran having a nuclear 
bomb. This is Israel's issue. 
3. The timing of Iran's ISIS attack is interesting as it coincides 
with the decision to lift sanctions.
4. What kinds of deals are being made? McDonalds in Tehran? GMO 
Soybeans? You show me your figs and I show you my Hot Pockets?
5. Will the rhetorical frienemy bit end?
6. Would a deal damage uncle Sam's relationship with Bibi? Should 
anyone give a rat's ass? I don't and certainly do not believe many 
do. 

The Crisis in U.S.-Israel Relations Is Officially Here

The Obama administration's anger is "red-hot" over Israel's 
settlement policies, and the Netanyahu government openly expresses 
contempt for Obama's understanding of the Middle East. Profound 
changes in the relationship may be coming.
http://tinyurl.com/q294hvy

The other day I was talking to a senior Obama administration 
official about the foreign leader who seems to frustrate the White 
House and the State Department the most.  The thing about Bibi is, 
he s a chickenshit,  this official said, referring to the Israeli 
prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, by his nickname.

This comment is representative of the gloves-off manner in which 
American and Israeli officials now talk about each other behind 
closed doors, and is yet another sign that relations between the 
Obama and Netanyahu governments have moved toward a full-blown 
crisis. The relationship between these two administrations  dual 
guarantors of the putatively  unbreakable  bond between the U.S. and 
Israel is now the worst it's ever been, and it stands to get 
significantly worse after the November midterm elections. By next 
year, the Obama administration may actually withdraw diplomatic 
cover for Israel at the United Nations, but even before that, both 
sides are expecting a showdown over Iran, should an agreement be 
reached about the future of its nuclear program.
-----------------------------
There's always a "crisis". Remember Germany's anger about the 
(consensual) spying? All lip service. 


#1268 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Dec 4 17:25:48 2014:

I'm not aware of any sanctions-lifting.

Also, I think your time points are not in order.

I do wonder like you do about what these supposed deals are about. To what
end. Who gives and gets what.


#1269 of 1674 by tod on Thu Dec 4 19:14:54 2014:

It's all a bunch of rich dudes sitting around eating caviar and moving
money while being sure to keep up perceptions.


#1270 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Dec 5 03:00:48 2014:

Eh.


#1271 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Dec 5 03:44:02 2014:

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#1272 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Dec 5 05:29:46 2014:

> Ferguson Is Not Palestine
> 
> Nothing could please the Likud coalition more than to see the
> Palestinian cause linked to the Ferguson rioters.

-- http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/ferguson-is-not-palestin
e/

The average WASP is literally incapable of processing above article and
understanding its point. TAC has good intentions but it's a hopeless effort.

> Deception is a state of mind and the mind of the State.


#1273 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Dec 5 20:00:23 2014:

Interesting article. My favorite part: 

"they would understand that Palestinians are subject to a blatantly 
unjust and racist regime, facing conditions no American would put up 
with for a moment without resisting. And they would see that this 
Israeli regime heavily subsidized by American tax dollars is 
animated by ideologies sharply at odds with American values, at 
least with how those values have evolved over the past 50 to 100 
years."

I would love to know what The American Conservative thinks "American 
Values" are. But to the argument made in the article, I agree. 
Perhaps some light will break through the cracks of the narrative we 
Americans get from the leftist media when events like this happen. 


#1274 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Dec 6 02:05:33 2014:

Re #1273:

TAC is, nominally at least, a platform for so-called paleocons or
constitutionalists. So 'American values' refers to the usual notions paraded
by people of such persuasion. 

Though, I agree with you. America is what America does. 'American values' are
deceit, theft, and murder. Not, say, respect for pledges or right to due
process.


#1275 of 1674 by tod on Sat Dec 6 02:30:08 2014:

Due process only counts when making velveeta


#1276 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Dec 6 02:47:53 2014:

I got three sorts of American "cheese" in my fridge. Where can I get my
complimentary long-range cruise missile?


#1277 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Dec 6 02:48:29 2014:

(I really do. It's so good for melting on stuff. And it laaaaaaasts.)


#1278 of 1674 by tod on Sat Dec 6 13:05:16 2014:

re #1277
what 3?


#1279 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Dec 6 13:23:47 2014:

Re #1278:

Sliced "cheese" products of gouda, cheddar, and parmesan. Kraft style. (No
authentic American cheese like Colby.)

My "real"-er gouda triangles develop mold rather fast. The damn slices look
good long after oily seeds have gone rancid.


#1280 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Dec 6 14:54:25 2014:

RE: 1274: "'American values' are deceit, theft, and murder. Not, say, 
respect for pledges or right to due process."

Don't confuse outside appearances or the actions of some to represent
what  working people in the country understand as values. Still, while I
usually  take a liking to the perspective of TAC, I suspect the writer's
values are  not the values of the average citizen. What are the values
of African  Americans? Muslim Americans? How about the values of the
employees covered  by the teacher's unions? Do their values line up with
mine? Do any of our  values include murder, theft and deceit? Not
likely. Are you trolling? Fair  question I believe.

#1275 Strange you mentioned this because I made the Kraft nacho dip last
 night for the first time in probably a year and paid the price at about
 12:30am (acid reflux). Sad because "cheese food" is really tasty. That 
aside, our justice system is perverted.

#1276 Got any friends in the Muslim Brotherhood? They have the good
stuff. 

#1279 Some of the best cheese in our markets are in the Italian stores
that  are imported from Italy. Really really good cheese but you will
pay a hefty  price. Real American cheese is very good though (not
talking about "cheese  food/processed cheese"). The quality is fairly
consistent between brands  too. Here's one of my favorite suppliers: 
http://boarshead.com/products/cheese

Canadian cheese is also excellent. If you defect we can check out some
shops  in Windsor. 
http://www.yelp.com/search?cflt=cheese&find_loc=Windsor%2C+ON

Regarding asylum, flamboyance is mandatory for good results. 
http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/difficulties-us-asylum-claims-base
d- sexual-orientation





#1281 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Dec 6 15:36:15 2014:

More charity work in India: 
https://news.yahoo.com/11-blind-cataract-surgery-india-090146212.html


#1282 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Dec 6 16:45:38 2014:

Re #1280:

> Don't confuse outside appearances or the actions of some to represent
> what  working people in the country understand as values.

I'm playing Fox News and Sam Harris.

It does stand to reason, though, that if someone fills their fuel tank with
someone else's blood and slaps the 'American values' label on it they be held
responsible for those values.


#1283 of 1674 by tod on Sat Dec 6 20:30:24 2014:

Speaking of cheese, Palo Alto Networks took me on a tour of Testarossa
in Los Gatos the day before we sat all day looking at everything
they're putting out there including some NDA future products.
The artisan cheeses only had one American line which was called Dante which
is a Wisconsin sheep dairy cooperative made with butter, grass, and 
lanolin sweeteners.  The others were Cahill Porter and Welsch Cheddar
from Ireland and a manchego from the Manchega region of Spain.
I'm still suffering from a cold/flu after spending a whole day in those
friggn wine cellars.


#1284 of 1674 by keesan on Sat Dec 6 23:55:35 2014:

Lanolin is a grease from sheep's wool, not a sweetener.


#1285 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Dec 7 04:04:47 2014:

> Identify applications regardless of port, protocol, evasive tactic or
> Secure Sockets Layer

Is that an invitation to corporate MITM or a claim about having broken SSL?


#1286 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Dec 7 04:10:47 2014:

#1282 you need to take a better look at America's oil supply 
chain. 
Also, values = blood = oil? 
I'm pretty sure I can follow your logic but you need to be 
realistic about trade and economic reality. I know its fun to 
draw vilians and heroes.



#1287 of 1674 by tod on Sun Dec 7 04:27:27 2014:

re #1284
It's used by alot of breastfeeding moms, too


#1288 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Dec 7 05:25:44 2014:

Re #1286:

America doesn't trade, baby. America steals. That's reality.

I know a bit about America's supply chains. Do you wish to make a clearer
point of it?


#1289 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Dec 7 21:07:05 2014:

With statements like "America steals" there really no point in
discussing  supply chains or trade. You've made up your mind.


#1290 of 1674 by tod on Mon Dec 8 03:02:36 2014:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhtuMrMVJDk


#1291 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Dec 8 03:15:33 2014:

Re #1289:

I thought you were the Tough Skin Man. I have made up my mind, of course. I'm
trying to make yours up for you, too :-)

You could try presenting your counter, anyhow. At the very least you could
eventually come to the conclusion that I'm wrong.

America steals is a reality but if it's any consolation I could tell you that
others steal, too. It's basically like Cosa Nostra on the one hand and bunches
of petty thieves here and there on the other. Doesn't that make you proud?


#1292 of 1674 by tod on Mon Dec 8 05:10:57 2014:

Speaking of Cosa Nostra
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/12/08/world/middleeast/hostage-nearly-free-o
n-r
ansom-killed-during-seal-raid.html


#1293 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Dec 8 05:25:26 2014:

What I find hilarious is that Western governments' travel advisories still
stir the to-be hostages away from Iran, to the greener pastures. Baaa!


#1294 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Dec 8 07:10:15 2014:

America, the Big Fat Thief, Liar, and Murderer; Beloved of Sir Mister walkman:

> Incidentally, one outcome of the coup was that the United States took
> over from Britain about 40 percent of the share in Iranian oil. It had
> been 100 percent British. That wasn't actually the goal of the effort,
> it's just in the normal course of events. But it was part of the general
> displacement of British power by U.S. power in that region, and in fact,
> throughout the world. Just sort of a normal reflection of the
> distribution of power elsewhere. The New York Times had a nice editorial
> about it, in which they praised the coup, and said, "Underdeveloped
> countries with rich resources now have an object lesson in the heavy
> cost that must be paid by one of their number which goes berserk with
> fanatical nationalism." And it should teach other Mossadeqs elsewhere in
> the world that they should be careful before trying to do something like
> going "berserk" and gaining control of their own resources, which of
> course are ours, not theirs.

-- http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/200311--.htm


#1295 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Dec 8 11:46:24 2014:

#1294 "the United States took over from Britain about 40 percent of the 
share in Iranian oil."

Flimsy. I like Noam Chomsky too. Where are the sources beyond "Noam 
Chomsky said it?" Where is the source that shows America "stole" Iran's 
oil? 

Isolationist propaganda and myths volume 1. 


#1296 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Dec 8 12:56:38 2014:

That't just the tip of the iceberg. Just the tip, baby boy.

LOL. Flimsy? Flimsy is your entire sense of nationhood. A whiff of vapor
floating off a miasma an Anglo-Jew had somewhere someday. "Peace through
strength."

Your blood intake from last five years: 200,000+ Syrians; 5000+ Palestinians;
uncounted Yemenis, Bahrainis, and AfPak people. The prize? Pars, Tamar, and
Leviathan Gas. It's running off your chin. *hands walkman a wet wipe*

-- http://is.gd/OqI8jd
+
-- http://is.gd/OPoA3s
+
> Shariah Finance Watch is a project of the Center for Security Policy's
> program to educate the public and policymakers about the dangers of
> Shariah. For a more in-depth look at Shariah, see Shariah: The Threat to
> America, a report by 19 top national security practitioners including
> the former Director of Central Intelligence, the former Deputy
> Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, and the former Director of
> the Defense Intelligence Agency. Shariah: The Threat to America is
> available on paperback and Kindle at Amazon.com.

-- http://www.shariahfinancewatch.org/blog/about-shariah-finance/

+

> The Center for Security Policy (CSP) is a Washington, D.C. think tank
> that focuses on national security issues. CSP was founded in 1988 by
> Frank Gaffney, Jr. and advocates policies based on a philosophy of
> "Peace through Strength". Their belief is the well guided use of
> America's force to both enforce peace and to protect the United States
> as a whole.

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy


#1297 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Dec 8 13:40:59 2014:

338,000 Iranians defected to America, the flimsy nation state up to 
2000 and counting. It's horrible here and all those Iranian Americans 
should feel guilty about all those dead Syrians and Palestinians. I've 
Fed Ex'ed them all Kleenex tm to wipe their chins too. 

For a flimsy nation state, America has quite the global impact. 
It's a good thing isolationist rhetoric, envy and Chomsky interviews 
can diminish it! The iceberg is old and the tip has rounded off due to 
climate change. 



#1298 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Dec 8 13:54:06 2014:

See? You're proud of it :-)


#1299 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Dec 8 17:45:03 2014:

Are you proud of juvenile executions? How about traditional shariah 
punishment for thieves, including amputations? 
The value of woman's life is half that of a man in Iran. Proud?
Arresting post-pubescent women for not covering their hair and body, 
stoning women adulterers, 137 known juvenile offenders awaiting 
execution in Iran, torturing prisoners...all stuff to be proud of.
8,906 government opponents were executed between 1980-1985. 
Backward. Ass. Country. What has Iran given the world in the last 
100 years that has improved the human condition? Oil and gas 
production. You portray Americans as having oil dripping from their 
mouths. What man-servant is serving the beverage? How is YOUR sense 
of nationhood? Cradle of civilization reduced to oil prostitution 
and human rights abuses. 



#1300 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Dec 8 18:23:09 2014:

I don't have a sense of nationhood. I have a strong sense of survival and an
appetite for vengeance.


#1301 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Dec 8 18:23:44 2014:

> Iran Is Officially A Real Player In The Global Cyber War

-- http://is.gd/mG8Ut6
-- (redirects to Business Insider)

ROFL. Persian idiom: "You yourself crack the joke and you yourself laugh at
it--an arftul man you are."

Are you betting on the right "startups," tod? There's going to be so much
gravy running off the backs of American idiots.


#1302 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Dec 8 18:31:09 2014:

#1300 time for you to take ownership of 
Iran. Otherwise don't pin imagined and 
real wrongs on the likes of people like 
me.

#1301 I see I was successful at smoking 
out the Jew and America hater.
1 dimensional and sad. What a waste.


#1303 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Dec 8 18:38:26 2014:

Re #1302:

> time for you to take ownership of Iran.

I can't be a jingo. Sorry.

---------------------------------------

> Otherwise don't pin imagined and real wrongs on the likes of people like
> me.

Taking responsibility. You yourself said it's important.

---------------------------------------

#1301 is good investment advice, though. What's with the dislike?


#1304 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Dec 8 19:13:03 2014:

#1303 Your extreme (and dramatic) position on America is jingoist 
because it is the outward face of your home nation. If you disagree, 
I can provide inflammatory/propaganda quotes from your leaders that 
appear quite similar to your words. 

Your words (just a sampling): 

America doesn't trade, baby. America steals. That's reality.

There's going to be so much gravy running off the backs of American 
idiots.

Flimsy is your entire sense of nationhood. A whiff of vapor
floating off a miasma an Anglo-Jew had somewhere someday. 

America, the Big Fat Thief, Liar, and Murderer.

America steals is a reality but if it's any consolation I could tell 
you that others steal, too. 

It does stand to reason, though, that if someone fills their fuel 
tank with someone else's blood and slaps the 'American values' label 
on it they be held responsible for those values.


#1305 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Dec 8 19:16:34 2014:

Re #1304:

Your criminality doesn't absolve me. My criminality doesn't absolve you.

If "my" leaders say what I have said they're telling the truth. Truth doesn't
fly a flag.

1 != 1000, by the way.


#1306 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Dec 8 19:41:20 2014:

"If "my" leaders say what I have said they're telling the truth."

Wow that's arrogance. 

"They (the Western powers) launched the myth of the Holocaust. They 
lied, they put on a show and then they support the Jews." 

"We thank God that our enemies are idiots." 

Familiar words from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

The truth because bellstar agrees. 


#1307 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Dec 8 20:04:18 2014:

(P => Q) != (Q => P)

They don't teach basic logic in American schools? :-(


#1308 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Dec 8 23:44:06 2014:

http://tinyurl.com/l3yw8zl


#1309 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Dec 9 00:16:01 2014:

-- http://is.gd/plZpbC


#1310 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Dec 9 01:10:10 2014:

http://tinyurl.com/mtu6vwg

and caring

http://tinyurl.com/knromzw

and pilot

http://tinyurl.com/pmbv2du


#1311 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Dec 9 01:12:31 2014:

http://www.debate.org/opinions/is-a-majority-of-the-islamic-world-backwar
d


#1312 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Dec 9 06:59:21 2014:

I see you automatically associated #1309. Pavlovlian goodness.


#1313 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Dec 9 07:00:11 2014:

Er, sans an 'l' from #1312.


#1314 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Dec 9 12:16:04 2014:

Well fed with great career, great family, very nice home, good 
family/friends and excellent prospects for the future. Something to be 
proud of IMO.

Counting my blessings. There's nothing you can say or do to take it 
away. If I'm a jingo for loving all of the above, put in on my 
gravestone. God Bless AMERICA!!!


#1315 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Dec 9 12:59:14 2014:

Gloating over what you have has nothing to do with acknowledging how it is
earned. Your blood isn't redder than others'.

To fail to acknowledge the crimes of a collective identity by taking personal
offense to their mention is one symptom of jingoism.


#1316 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Dec 9 13:48:10 2014:

Excellent. USA!
The West is the best. The blood of others. 
LOL. The great minds, technology and 
natural resources are all here and we have 
our own oil. 

Iran is so backward it can barely catch up 
to 1960s without reverse engineering our 
superior technology.

We lead the last two centuries and will 
continue to do. Hate will be marginalized.


#1317 of 1674 by tod on Tue Dec 9 13:50:37 2014:

re #1315
 Your blood isn't redder than others'.

http://tinyurl.com/ksvblj4


#1318 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Dec 9 14:02:54 2014:

Re #1317:

Oleg is quite the operator. I've been wondering about his finances.


#1319 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Dec 9 14:03:40 2014:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ttDUGM-1mU


#1320 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Dec 9 14:04:32 2014:

Re #1316:

If you need to use many words it doesn't count as trolling. Efficiency counts.


#1321 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Dec 9 14:09:28 2014:

Troll Tips 101 ~ Professor Bellstar

If I said it and I agree with it, it's the truth, regardless of word 
count. 

http://tinyurl.com/lqcvhfc


#1322 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Dec 9 14:31:28 2014:

Egypt arrests men for 'debauchery' after hosting 'gay bath house 
orgy'
http://tinyurl.com/loz663o
Men could face lengthy prison terms in conservative country on 
charges related to homosexual activity

Egyptian police detained 26 men in a raid on a Cairo bath house 
after receiving a tip that they were holding gay orgies, a security 
source said on Monday.
Homosexuality is not specifically banned under Egyptian law, but the 
state does persecute and imprison gay men on charges such 
"debauchery" and "shameless public acts."
If tried and convicted they could face lengthy prison terms.
The men were dragged out of the bath house, or hammam, naked in 
downtown Cairo, according to one official.
After the men were taken away overnight, a public prosecutor said 
they would be held for four days pending a decision on whether to 
press formal charges of debauchery.


#1323 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Dec 9 14:36:29 2014:

Eh.


#1324 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Dec 9 14:55:20 2014:

German party backs off much-mocked language demand
http://tinyurl.com/kkgz53k

BERLIN (AP)   One of Germany's governing parties backpedaled Monday 
from a call for immigrants to speak German even at home, giving way 
in the face of a storm of criticism and mockery even from allies.

Merkel ally warns SPD against own diplomacy towards Russia Reuters
The conservative Christian Social Union was on the defensive over a 
draft motion drawn up by senior officials for a party conference 
this week, stating that people wanting permanent residency "should 
be urged to speak German in public and in the family."

The call came at a time of anxiety in Germany and elsewhere in 
Europe over immigration and increasing numbers of refugees. Critics 
viewed it as at best absurd, at worst a ploy to win votes by 
pandering to anti-immigrant sentiment.

The general secretary of Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian 
Democrats, Peter Tauber, said on Twitter it's "none of politicians' 
business whether I speak Latin, Klingon or Hessian at home," 
referring to his home region's dialect.

Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel said no one in his center-left party 
"would come up with the idea of banning immigrants from speaking 
their mother tongue, and I am sure that we will never reach this 
level of political dementia."


#1325 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Dec 9 16:10:14 2014:

Europe has a serious "assimilation" issue because its (short and bloody)
period of enforced homogeneity has given it bad habits. For some reason Russia
is always on the wrong side of the Guardian. Once it was too far to the left,
now it is too far to the right:

> We should beware Russia's links with Europe's right

-- http://is.gd/75VQOH
-- (redirects to The Guardian)

<insert the necessary reference to American "assimilation" issues>


#1326 of 1674 by tod on Tue Dec 9 22:27:09 2014:

Der Tod ist ein Dandy auf einem Pferd


#1327 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Dec 10 11:41:11 2014:

Man screaming  I want to kill the Jews!  shot dead by cops in 
Brooklyn after stabbing student in the face at Chabad-Lubavitch 
headquarters in Brooklyn
http://tinyurl.com/kmmsuft

A deranged man screaming  I want to kill the Jews!  invaded 
Lubavitcher headquarters in Brooklyn early Tuesday and stabbed a 
yeshiva student in the head before he was shot to death by police.

Levi Rosenblatt was praying when Calvin Peters barged inside, 
whipped out a knife with a 5-inch blade and attacked him, witnesses 
said.

 Levi had his hands up, trying to block the individual with his 
arms,  Mendy Notik, 22, said.  He was saying,  I will kill you.  And 
after Levi, he went towards another young student and he said,  I 
will kill the Jews!  

Notik said Rosenblatt, an Israeli, was bloodied but somehow managed 
to escape.

 He had blood on his shoulder, coming out from the side of his head, 
and he was screaming,  He stabbed me! He stabbed me!   Notik said of 
his friend.  He was in a panic. 

Summoned by other screaming yeshiva students, Police Officer Timothy 
Donohue, who is based at the Chabad-Lubavitch World Headquarters in 
Crown Heights, called for backup and raced inside to confront 
Peters.
----------------------------------------
They didn't mention in the article if the deranged man was of Middle 
Easter descent. 


#1328 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Dec 10 11:58:33 2014:

Iran's secret police created by United States and Israeli 
intelligence officers in 1957.
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field(DOCID+ir0187)
----------------------------------------------------
So happy together. 
The U.S. isn t panicking over Iran s military operations in Iraq
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/.premium-1.630195

Tehran and Washington s common interests could serve the U.S. 
administration when it presents a final nuclear agreement to 
Congress.

While the negotiations continue, Iran is also busy with the war 
against the Islamic State in Iraq   and busy with the Kurdish 
region. Pictures of an Iranian Phantom jet in Iraqi skies this week 
triggered a denial that Iran is coordinating its military operations 
in Iraq with the United States.
--------------------------------------
I wonder if CIA trained useful idiots offer the "broomstick or 
drill" enhanced interrogation to their neighbors. Either way, clears 
up time for Obama to host John Stewart. 



#1329 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Dec 10 12:55:51 2014:

Daughter of SAVAK deputy is "curing" Ebola now.

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardis_Sabeti


#1330 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Dec 10 12:57:40 2014:

Re #1327:

It's a pity the Israeli hasn't died yet.


#1331 of 1674 by keesan on Wed Dec 10 14:24:51 2014:

tod how did the garden do?


#1332 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Dec 10 16:12:09 2014:

Now here's a real human:

> I Can't Be Forgiven for Abu Ghraib
> 
> The Torture Report Reminds Us of What America Was

-- http://is.gd/kPhmNh
-- (redirects to NY Times)

A rare thing in America. It's rare ones like him, though, that make all the
difference.

He probably can relate to this other man:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeed_Hajjarian


#1333 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Dec 10 17:52:33 2014:

People who engage in beheading and suicide bombs on civilians have ZERO 
rights to be treated like human beings.

Water boarding is offensive because often it's the first time the 
filthy animals have had a bath. They should be grateful for the 3 hots 
and the cot. I would expect far worse accommodations from Taliban or 
the cowards in al Qaeda. Harvest their organs and burn the corpses. 

Now here's a real terrorist because he's no different from the ones 
shown in terrorist propaganda videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8mrZ1kGCfo


#1334 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Dec 10 18:05:37 2014:

Guess why I think you have ZERO rights to be treated like a human being :-)


#1335 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Dec 10 18:35:02 2014:

It is all a matter of perspective and where you stand.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferiority_complex

You just don't know any better.


#1336 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Dec 10 18:52:00 2014:

Remember that wet wipe? It was for blood, not oil. This is the cost of the
blood running down your chin:

-- http://is.gd/ujj6he

There is no way to be inferior to that. You've landed at the very bottom of
the abyss.


#1337 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Dec 10 19:46:20 2014:

*yawn*
yeah okay


#1338 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Dec 10 19:55:13 2014:

Eh.


#1339 of 1674 by tod on Wed Dec 10 20:17:30 2014:

re #1336
 There is no way to be inferior to that.

There is always something to judge in others.  Dope pushers, religion
control freaks, boys with guns, cops punching wheelchairbound, and even
something as simple as a woman yelling at a child or letting that
child starve.  The world doesn't have enough bullets for the amount
of judgement I could pass on others but what does that say about character
to pass judgement from a glass house.
I see very little difference between ISIL and the 700 Club - they're both
full of women hating pedophiles, imo.

re #1331
The garden did well but the cold came too soon.  I will probably kickstar
a garage germination soon.


#1340 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Dec 10 21:30:36 2014:

This insistence that my government's sins are my sins is ridiculous.
I don't put Iran killing political opponents or stoning women or
sodomizing  boys on bell star. I don't take responsibility for a baby
boomer firebombing  women and children in Vietnam when I was 3 years
old.

It's a logic failure as far as I'm concerned. My doings are on me. I
don't  applaud torture or killing or order it or reap rewards directly.
Some dirtbag sells out another dirtbag who gets the broom in the pooper.
 Okay. You play with guns and you pay the price. It goes both ways.
PTSD,  survivor's guilt and war injury/death for volunteers is also a
price. Life is not fair. I eat chocolate cake and pistachios. I sleep in
a nice  bed. Believe me, there is no oil or blood on my face. 


#1341 of 1674 by keesan on Wed Dec 10 22:01:36 2014:

It froze here around Oct  7 but the kale and turnip and radish greens are
still alive and perk up on warmer days.  Which beans matured for you?
What do you germinate in a garage?


#1342 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Dec 11 02:35:49 2014:

Re #1339:

Passing judgment is not equivalent to dishing out a punishment. It's for the
sake of historical record. Outside of TV crime drama, inside of reality, most
criminals get away with their crimes. Acknowledging one's participation in
crime is part of knowing one's place in the world. Reminding oneself and
others of it is an act of charity. That's pretty much the only purpose reading
the "news" has.

As to ISIL and 700 Club or whatever, everyone has their own petty villains.
And then there are the godfathers.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Re #1340:

> Some dirtbag sells out another dirtbag who gets the broom in the pooper.

You don't know what you're talking about. You need to actually live a fraction
of the bullshit you spew to get perhaps a sense of its stench. I don't expect
words alone to carry it over to you. Responsibility is a dish best served with
a punch in the face and I'm not one who can or wants to deliver that punch
to anyone, much less you. Go to your nice bed now.


#1343 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Dec 11 02:49:47 2014:

Ha ha here comes the tough guy act. 
I see you.
http://tinyurl.com/k3xkhaw


#1344 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Dec 11 03:23:42 2014:

Nah. I'm a frail person though I have a spine. I realize, however, you cannot
tell a moral stance from a gesture of physical imposition. Not a failure I
can help with.


#1345 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Dec 11 03:34:11 2014:

My observation: while I can accept things are not perfect where I live
and  am willing to discuss and criticize it, you lose your mind when any
ridicule  or criticism comes your way of where you live. You try to
writhe your way  out with vague intellectual pestering but believe me,
it is transparent to  everyone. The tough guy act and the abstract
threats are laughable.  It's also amusing to me that with three people
left in this massage board,  it has to devolve into this. It all started
with your Jew hatred and moved  onto your copycat isolationist "death to
America" garbage. Do you see how  that is off putting?  I decided to
serve you your own medicine and we can all observe how you  break down.
Your real head is revealed. You like to say that you are a  simple,
uncomplicated person. I agree. Pseudo-intellectual hiding behind a 
keyboard while criticizing/loathing the outside world. Get a life! 


#1346 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Dec 11 04:06:16 2014:

Where do you feel threatened?


#1347 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Dec 11 05:28:51 2014:

> Why Is Yemen So Violent? Because It Is So Poor and Thirsty

-- http://is.gd/U1qxc8
-- (redirects to The Nation)


#1348 of 1674 by tod on Fri Dec 12 03:52:39 2014:

re #1341
 Which beans matured for you?
 What do you germinate in a garage?

I have to go look at the tags tomorrow in the sunlight.  They are there - 
just dormant.

re #1346
 Where do you feel threatened?

In my Dodge&Cox and then in my Wasatch Core Growth.  You?


#1349 of 1674 by tod on Fri Dec 12 04:43:12 2014:

Troy and Gary join PsyOps
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/02/07/1170524164102.html


#1350 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Dec 12 07:45:43 2014:

Re #1348:

Question was re. walkman's claim.

That said, I had a panic attack yesterday thinking my coccyx had fallen off.


#1351 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Dec 12 14:19:02 2014:

It's a double header:

Broomsticks and rubber hoses. #SlipperySadid

Ex-CIA director defends rectal rehydration
http://tinyurl.com/mf2f6xa

---------------------------------------
#sexualhealing #whynoKY?
'Sexual threat with broomstick' among CIA anti-terror tactics due to 
be revealed in damning report
http://tinyurl.com/l6vfbc6

The report will include graphic details about sexual threats and 
other harsh interrogation techniques the CIA dealt out to captured 
militants in the years after the September 11 attack, sources have 
claimed.


#1352 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Dec 12 14:25:41 2014:

That stuff doesn't quite move me as it should. For years US State Department
accused Iran of doing it so I'm used to the stories. They've been best buddies
all along.

> [...] captured militants [...]

Yeah. "Captured" "militants."


#1353 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Dec 12 15:57:49 2014:

James Foley was tortured and then killed. His death will be used to 
justify the killing of many, many people. Mission accomplished. 

ISIS trying to sell beheaded body of James Foley for $1mn
http://rt.com/usa/213715-isis-james-foley-body/

"Having executed three Americans already, it is possible that the 
militants believe their remains could bring their families to the 
table with cash. It is unclear if the group is also trying to sell 
the bodies of journalist Steve Sotloff and former solider Peter 
Kassig."
-------------------------------------------------------
Amateurs. What a business model. It is all about business for them 
isn't it? Does OPEC see them as a competitor? Do they have oil rig 
repairmen?
I would like to see a queer Saudi oil prince buy the remains and 
display them for posterior posterity. 


#1354 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Dec 12 16:03:41 2014:

Yeah, I'm aware how warped America is. Like a bigger ISIS. Bunch of savages.


#1355 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Dec 12 16:04:23 2014:

I found that oil prince you wanted:

-- http://www.bbj.hu/images2/201412/rick-brennan_20141212084049137.jpg


#1356 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Dec 12 19:21:12 2014:

"Religion of peace." 
-----------------------------------------
Islamic ISIS savages behead four children: Christian leader
http://tinyurl.com/ka2zht6

Four Christian children were beheaded by ISIS militants in Iraq for 
refusing to denounce Jesus and convert to Islam, according to the 
leader of the Anglican church in Baghdad.
Canon Andrew White, known as the  Vicar of Baghdad,  fled Iraq in 
October for Israel and recounted how brutal the country has become 
for Christians.
 ISIS turned up and said to the children,  You say the words that 
you will follow Mohammed, &#8201;  White said in video posted on the 
Christian Broadcasting Network website.
 The children, all under 15, four of them, they said,  No, we love 
Yeshua [Jesus], we have always loved Yeshua. 
 They chopped all their heads off.
 How do you respond to that? You just cry. 
---------------------------------------------
No one wants to hear this of course but we must look at these 
matters from a practical perspective. If someone killed the Islamic 
ISIS savages when they were children, we wouldn't be talking about 
the savage acts. 

Galatians 6:7-8
Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that 
will he also reap. For the one who sows to his own flesh will from 
the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will 
from the Spirit reap eternal life.


#1357 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Dec 13 04:31:46 2014:

Then again, the 'fiery god figure' proposed this to ISIS' ancestors:

> Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is the one who repays you
> according to what you have done to us.
> 
> Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the
> rocks.

-- Psalm 137:8-9

They're just following the ancient alien program.


#1358 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Dec 13 12:59:41 2014:

http://tinyurl.com/nm9yh6o


#1359 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Dec 13 13:27:20 2014:

Two of a kind:

-- http://is.gd/MLXG7S


#1360 of 1674 by tod on Sat Dec 13 21:58:15 2014:

re #1350
 That said, I had a panic attack yesterday thinking my coccyx had fallen off.

Sorry to hear that.  I had to work hard for a year straight to get my
sacrum from wobbling.  What an inconvenient and horribly uncomfortable
situation.

re #1355
 I found that oil prince you wanted

Ha! www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMVrxgvR_Xw
"...importantly parallel.."  "...within the crisis - there is
OPPORTUNITY"

re #1358
http://thenorthcaucasus.wordpress.com/2014/03/18/mass-graves/


#1361 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Dec 13 23:36:47 2014:

http://youtu.be/fmXkyRdOPJg

Bye bye mother fuckers:http://tinyurl.com/o9w9ps7


#1362 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Dec 14 06:44:24 2014:

Just another tool in the toolbox.


#1363 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Dec 14 06:45:54 2014:

Re #1360:

Having a long tail and all. LOL.


#1364 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Dec 14 14:05:18 2014:

The truth about cheap oil:

Saudi Arabia's oil war against Iran and Russia
http://tinyurl.com/q7xgb37

Teaser: "The Saudis believe they can no longer rely on the US to contain
 Tehran s imminent nuclear threat, so they re out to do what our
lukewarm  sanctions couldn t."

Suspense as the plot thickens.

Take heed "rouge nations!" LOL ha ha ha ha ha 


#1365 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Dec 14 18:18:12 2014:

Another thread of speculation says Saudis (and others?) are trying to drive
smaller American shale hydrocarbon businesses to bankruptcy at which point
they will be acquired for cheap by larger players, Saudis included, and the
new expensive oil cycle restarted.

There're many such threads and no reliable (publicly available) analysis which
integrates all the pieces of information in a sensible way. Depending on whom
you ask you get a different analysis which tends to distort or omit one or
more pieces of information. That's not even counting how unreliable the
information itself is.


#1366 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Dec 14 21:53:22 2014:

> Congressional spending bill OKs Israel defense aid, Iran and P.A.
> oversight
> 
> WASHINGTON (JTA) -- The massive spending bill passed by Congress
> includes defense assistance for Israel along with tightened oversight of
> Palestinian funding and Iran nuclear talks.
> 
> Included in the $1.1 trillion omnibus bill passed in the Senate by a
> 56-40 vote on Saturday night was the $3.1 billion in annual defense
> spending for Israel under a 2007 memorandum of understanding between the
> United States and Israel. An additional $620 million in joint
> U.S.-Israel missile defense programs also was part of the measure.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/TA8S7v
-- (redirects to JTA)

Omnomnomnom.

I read someone saying "bomb bomb bomb" in the US Congress is how they say
"bitch, where's my money."


#1367 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Dec 15 12:56:49 2014:

ROVE DEFENDS CIA'S USE OF RECTAL FEEDING TUBES
http://tinyurl.com/ltqfkad

"First of all, lets get the rectal feedings out. There are in this 
report nine references on 14 pages to rectal feeding. Four of those 
five, it's discussed as being a result of a hunger strike by the 
detainee." Adding, "Waterboarding, confinement, slapping, smashing 
against walls, these were carefully designed with an idea, with the 
principals in mind of our statutory obligations and international 
commitments." 
-------------------------------------------
CIA interrogators heroes not torturers: Cheney
http://tinyurl.com/q6sp7jn

"I'm perfectly comfortable that they should be praised, they should 
be decorated," the right-hand man to former president George W. Bush 
told NBC television's "Meet the Press" program, adding, "I'd do it 
again in a minute."
-------------------------------------------
Sometimes a bath is just a bath and a broom is an old school colon 
check. #brothersinarms

Pardon Bush and Those Who Tortured
http://tinyurl.com/lba4hkj


#1368 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Dec 15 15:56:49 2014:

The Procedures should take a trip to America.

> Torture and Democracy
> Darius Rejali | 2008

-- http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8490.html

+ 

> 1. Your new book, 'Torture and Democracy,' reflects a lengthy engagement
> with the subject of torture as a phenomenon over a vast stretch of time
> and among many different societies. But in the preface, you start by
> relating something about your own background as an Iranian-American,
> trying to understand how torture was transforming Iran and complicating
> its evolution in modern times. Did developments in Iran lead you to this
> subject? In what ways do you think torture has affected the political
> culture of Iran and its extremely awkward relations with the rest of the
> world?
> 
> Most people think torture is a barbaric survivor and that it would
> disappear over time with progress. This is a mistake, and my experience
> growing up in Iran taught me that and led me to write Torture and
> Modernity: Self, State and Society in Iran (1994). I used Iran to show
> that while old ritualistic, public torture would disappear over time,
> other tortures would survive and new techniques would appear, let's call
> these modern torture.
> 
> I remember one distinguished expert who reviewed my work said,
> basically, how can Rejali say torture is part of modernity? If that was
> true, America would torture too. It really was amazing, in retrospect,
> how willfully blind people wanted to be. I grew up in Iran at a time
> when the Shah's secret police, the SAVAK, did not hesitate torturing
> Islamic and Marxist insurgents. No one thought torture was something
> incompatible with cars, fast food, washing machines and other parts of
> modern life. I remember talking to a high-ranking SAVAK officer years
> after the Shah was gone, and he certainly felt he played an important
> role in modernization. It wasn't the last time I've heard torturers say
> how important they are in making their country safe for economic
> opportunity.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/aM4vU6
-- (redirects to Harper's Magazine/Harper's Blog)

Of note is that COIN was modelled on French counterinsurgency in Algeria.

(Thug boy here alluded at that before. I couldn't really figure what position
he was taking but it smelled to me like he actually felt righteous being the
Gendarme or that he was equivocating.)


#1369 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Dec 15 18:57:00 2014:

The Iranian false flag is picture perfect:

> Picture emerging of alleged Sydney hostage-taker

-- http://is.gd/1QA52a
-- (redirects to CNN)

Inconsistences:

1. sought asylum because he was under criminal investigation in Iran;

2. has been in Australia for 20 years;

3. has claimed to be a cleric but has no credentials;

4. has changed his name from Persian to Arabic;

5. has changed his religion;

6. claimed Iranian "secret police" wanted to kill him;

7. has flown an ISIS flag on alleged rampage.

And now his CNN picture looks like he came straight out of Qom.

In 2001, mentioned side by side with GWB:

> New Cardinals for Rome, George Bush, Muslims in Australia
> 
> [...]
> 
> Whenever I walk in the street, whenever I go out in Australia, I feel I
> am in a real religious society. I don't want to say it is perfect, we
> don't have a perfect society on the earth, but when we compare, if we
> compare Australia with Iran and other countries in the Middle East, we
> can say it is heaven.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/Y58xTb
-- (redirects to ABC.net.au)

Too good to be true.


#1370 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Dec 15 19:57:06 2014:

It's the gun's fault, not the man or his religion. 


#1371 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Dec 15 20:05:09 2014:

Certainly not his religion because he didn't have one.


#1372 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Dec 16 12:41:02 2014:

Turns out he was wanted in Iran for 200K USD worth of fraud. Australians
refused to return him and gave him asylum because he was obviously a
"liberal"-minded man fleeing evil Iran and, of course, he gave the right
interview about how Australia was heaven and Iran hell.

It's great that boomerangs return. Then again, Australia's jingo leaders and
Christian Zionists should've taken the hit not random bystanders.


#1373 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Dec 16 13:28:44 2014:

Who's to say the SWAT guys didn't shoot the hostages on their way in?


#1374 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Dec 16 13:53:56 2014:

They didn't need to. He had already been indicted for being an accessory to
murder, on top of a string of sexual offenses, but had been released on bail.

The real question is: is he actually dead now; or did he earn a clean slate,
a new passport, and a wad of cash?

His looks before Operation Mullahs-in-Australia:

> 'Cleric' Man Haron Monis pleads guilty over dead Digger letters

-- http://is.gd/KUUaAh
-- (redirects to The Australian)


#1375 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Dec 16 14:06:39 2014:

> Iran Said to Discount Light Crude to Asia to Deepest in 14 Years
> 
> Iran is said to be offering its main crude grade to customers in Asia at
> the deepest discount in 14 years, taking a cue from Saudi Arabia in
> trimming price differentials.
> 
> National Iranian Oil Co. cut its official selling price for January
> shipments of light crude to Asia to a discount of $1.80 a barrel below
> the regional benchmark as Middle Eastern producers vie to keep selling
> in the region, according to four people with knowledge of the decision.
> An official at NIOC's crude-marketing department in Tehran declined to
> comment.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/l12lPW
-- (redirects to Bloomberg)

Paging Agent Rubin!


#1376 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Dec 16 14:17:55 2014:

Agent Woo and Agent Yee disagree.


#1377 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Dec 16 14:30:39 2014:

> Baosteel Will Recycle World Trade Center Debris

-- http://www.china.org.cn/english/2002/Jan/25776.htm


#1378 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Dec 16 14:35:05 2014:

Islamic fundamentalists winning the war on terror by killing their own 
children. 
http://tinyurl.com/owzy8c7

#1377 I hope their machines can sort out nano-thermite particles from 
the steel. Will they fly planes into the steel to melt it? One can 
wonder and dream. 


#1379 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Dec 16 14:52:40 2014:

Re #1378:

Only a complete idiot would call that 'their own children.'

Like everything else that touches America, "Muslims" who touch it become
corrupt liars, thieves, and murderers. Nothing to see there other than America
killing more children.

> Human Rights Watch wrote in 2000:
> 
> Of all the foreign powers involved in efforts to sustain and manipulate
> the ongoing fighting [in Afghanistan], Pakistan is distinguished both by
> the sweep of its objectives and the scale of its efforts, which include
> soliciting funding for the Taliban, bankrolling Taliban operations,
> providing diplomatic support as the Taliban's virtual emissaries abroad,
> arranging training for Taliban fighters, recruiting skilled and
> unskilled manpower to serve in Taliban armies, planning and directing
> offensives, providing and facilitating shipments of ammunition and fuel,
> and ... directly providing combat support.

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban

+

> The Kunduz airlift, also known as the Airlift of Evil, refers to the
> evacuation of thousands of top commanders and members of the Taliban and
> Al-Qaeda, their Pakistani advisers including Pakistani Inter-Services
> Intelligence agents and army personnel, and other Jihadi volunteers and
> sympathizers, from the city of Kunduz, Afghanistan, in November 2001
> just before its capture by U.S. and United Front of Afghanistan
> (Northern Alliance) forces during the War in Afghanistan. As described
> in several reports, the Taliban and Al-Qaeda combatants were safely
> evacuated from Kunduz and airlifted by Pakistan Air Force cargo aircraft
> to Pakistan Air Force bases in Chitral and Gilgit in Pakistan
> Administered Kashmir's Northern Areas.
> 
> [...]
> 
> More details of the event finally emerged in the 2008 book Descent into
> Chaos by the investigative journalist Ahmed Rashid:
> 
> One senior (U.S.) intelligence analyst told me, "The request was made by
> Musharraf to Bush, but Cheney took charge -- a token of who was handling
> Musharraf at the time. The approval was not shared with anyone at State,
> including Colin Powell, until well after the event. Musharraf said
> Pakistan needed to save its dignity and its valued people. Two planes
> were involved, which made several sorties a night over several nights.
> They took off from air bases in Chitral and Gilgit in Pakistan
> Administered Kashmir's Northern Areas, and landed in Kunduz, where the
> evacuees were waiting on the tarmac. Certainly hundreds and perhaps as
> many as one thousand people escaped. Hundreds of ISI officers, Taliban
> commanders, and foot soldiers belonging to the Islamic Movement of
> Uzbekistan and Al Qaeda personnel boarded the planes. What was sold as a
> minor extraction turned into a major air bridge. The frustrated U.S. SOF
> who watched it from the surrounding high ground dubbed it "Operation
> Evil Airlift."

--  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunduz_airlift


#1380 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Dec 16 15:07:58 2014:

#1379 "Like everything else that touches America, "Muslims" who 
touch it become corrupt liars, thieves, and murderers. Nothing to 
see there other than America killing more children."

America

Symptoms & Types
Do you know the common America symptoms? Do you know how America is 
different from Islamic nations? Learn more about America symptoms 
and types so you ll know what you re up against. Find out the 
warning signs of more serious problems with it so you can prevent 
killing your own women and children. 

Symptoms
America: What You Might Feel
America symptoms make you feel a sense of freedom which leads to 
entitlement. Learn more about the main America symptoms so you can 
treat these early on. Also, find out when to call the tribal witch 
doctor or warlord about your symptoms.

Treatments
Honor killing, goat fornication, boy sex, automatic gun shooting, 
village burning and black flag waving may eradicate your America 
disease. 


#1381 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Dec 16 15:19:35 2014:

Re #1380:

Mostly correct. Except you got symptoms and treatments reversed.


#1382 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Dec 16 16:58:31 2014:

> Who whacked Admiral Darlan? My guess is that Winston Churchill ordered it

-- http://is.gd/5XThsv
-- (redirects to Foreign Policy)


#1383 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Dec 16 17:09:49 2014:

My suspicion is that Churchill whacked a lot of guys. 


#1384 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Dec 16 17:20:57 2014:

Pakistani death toll rises to 141. 
http://tinyurl.com/o9uxqdw

An assault led by the Taliban on a Pakistan military-run school 
Tuesday left 141 people dead, 132 of which were children, officials 
say, in the worst attack to hit the country in years.

The horrific attack in Peshawar, carried out by a relatively small 
number of militants from the Tehreek-e-Taliban group, a Pakistani 
militant group trying to overthrow the government, also sent dozens 
of wounded flooding into local hospitals as terrified parents 
searched for their children.

"My son was in uniform in the morning. He is in a casket now," 
wailed one parent, Tahir Ali, as he came to the hospital to collect 
the body of his 14-year-old son Abdullah. "My son was my dream. My 
dream has been killed."
----------------------------------
I think it's safe to say Taliban wins the war on terror. 
Overthrowing the government by killing children. Smart people. Maybe 
America made them do it.  



#1385 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Dec 16 17:29:21 2014:

All the difference is in being able to substantiate the suspicion, I guess.

> [...]
> 
> "Apparently it is more important to save the Greeks and liberated
> countries than the Indians and there is reluctance either to provide
> shipping or to reduce stocks in this country," writes Sir Wavell in his
> account of the meetings. Mr Amery is more direct. "Winston may be right
> in saying that the starvation of anyhow under-fed Bengalis is less
> serious than sturdy Greeks, but he makes no sufficient allowance for the
> sense of Empire responsibility in this country," he writes.
> 
> Some three million Indians died in the famine of 1943. The majority of
> the deaths were in Bengal. In a shocking new book, Churchill's Secret
> War, journalist Madhusree Mukherjee blames Mr Churchill's policies for
> being largely responsible for one of the worst famines in India's
> history. It is a gripping and scholarly investigation into what must
> count as one of the most shameful chapters in the history of the Empire.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/PXfG2u
-- (redirects to BBC.co.uk)

A great hero for the Anglo-Jew "race."


#1386 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Dec 16 17:30:54 2014:

Re #1384:

> America made them do it.  

No, America didn't. They are proud Americans already. America is their daddy,
as all the evidence in the world demonstrates.


#1387 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Dec 16 18:07:49 2014:

What good is OPEC? Anyone remember all that rhetoric about how the 
dollar was screwed because China and Russia replaced the dollar as 
the international reserve currency? "The agreement is a symbolic 
blow to US global financial hegemony and a signal of Russian-Chinese 
rapprochement"[1]

Russian Rate Jump Fails to Stop Ruble Crash
http://tinyurl.com/kn29h7o

The ruble plummeted into a freefall, losing as much as 19 percent as 
panic swept across Russian financial markets after a surprise 
interest-rate increase failed to stem the run on the currency.

The ruble sank beyond 80 per dollar, a record low, before rebounding 
to 68 after Economy Minister Alexei Ulyukayev denied speculation 
that the government would turn to currency restrictions next to stop 
Russians from converting their money into dollars. Bonds and stocks 
also tumbled, with the RTS equity gauge dropping the most in six 
years.

 I am speechless,  Jean-David Haddad, an emerging-market strategist 
at OTCex Group in Paris, said in a message.  What a failure for the 
central bank. Russia would need to announce capital controls today. 
That is the last solution. 

[1] Russia, China sign deal to bypass U.S. dollar, 
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/20/russia-china-
bankdeal.html


#1388 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Dec 16 19:28:32 2014:

If a falling RUB is bad for Russia why is an undervalued RMB good for China?

The real war is here:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Development_Bank

OPEC is of little relevance.


#1389 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Dec 16 19:31:54 2014:

North Koreans are going to reveal BRICS members playing naked Twister 
on Christmas. I heard Putin is all air if you know what I mean.


#1390 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Dec 16 19:57:29 2014:

I didn't know Naked Twister and now I regret that I've learnt.

> Oil Time: Everyone gets oiled up with baby oil before the game begins.
> This makes the game much more challenging, since players will be
> slipping on the mat and each other.

-- http://boardgames.lovetoknow.com/Naked_Twister

No, I don't know what you mean.


#1391 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Dec 16 20:46:39 2014:

The Australian Right is even worse at cons than the American Right:

> Call to probe mystery Shia cleric
> 
> THE AUSTRALIAN JANUARY 28, 2008 12:00AM
> 
> FEDERAL agents have been urged by the nation's senior Shia leader, Kamal
> Mousselmani, to investigate an Iranian man purporting to be a prominent
> Islamic cleric.
> 
> Sheik Mousselmani told The Australian yesterday the mystery cleric - who
> has been identified as Ayatollah Manteghi Boroujerdi on his website
> after appearing under the name Sheik Haron - was not a genuine Shia
> spiritual leader.
> 
> He said there were no ayatollahs - supreme Shia scholars - in Australia
> and none of his fellow spiritual leaders knew who Ayatollah Boroujerdi
> or Sheik Haron was.
> 
> "We don't know him and we have got nothing to do with him," Sheik
> Mousselmani said. "The federal police should investigate who he is. It
> should be their responsibility."
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/8s17EA
-- (redirects to The Australian)

> Iran warned Australia about Sydney attacker
> 
> Man Haron Monis, the gunman behind the 16-hour hostage standoff in
> Sydney, Australia, resulting in the deaths of two individuals and
> himself, was well known to Iranian authorities. The self-styled
> "sheikh," who left Iran for Australia in 1996, had abused Australia's
> political system to gain immunity from prosecution in Iran, where he was
> a wanted man.
> 
> According to Iran's Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Marzieh Afkham, "The
> psychological history and condition of this individual, who for more
> than two decades was a refugee in Australia, was repeatedly presented to
> Australian officials."
> 
> Afkham did not elaborate, but Haron Monis' history while in Australia
> paints a clear picture of him as unstable and a charlatan posing as a
> religious man.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/x9AZAF
-- (redirects to Al-Monitor)

Their con fizzled within 24 hours. I don't expect Australian idiots to notice,
though. Just like American idiots they'll be going baa and, voila, there'll
be more Cons in office and more cons in business.


#1392 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Dec 16 23:10:55 2014:

> Conspiracy, fact or fiction?
> 
> Sohrab_Ferdows | Politics | December 13, 2014
> 
> Since I was a child, I remember hearing terrible things about World War
> 3 in which, all the world will be destroyed. When I grew a bit older, I
> thought to myself, the trauma effects of past two world wars in
> relatively short period of time, has probably created such paranoia in
> most people's minds who remembered those days when barbaric behaviors of
> so called civilized world in senseless wars were rampant. A long time
> has passed from those days but, the shadows of uncertainty and distrust
> in current times, indicate that the peace and tranquility is as fragile
> as ever in human history, or even worse.
> 
> [...]

-- http://iranian.com/posts/conspiracy-fact-or-fiction-42331


#1393 of 1674 by tod on Wed Dec 17 04:16:59 2014:

Savages don't disappear because someone learns how to read/write.
WW3 will be 1000 times worse.


#1394 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Dec 17 04:31:05 2014:

Literacy and everything that follows from it change how people are organized.
The top dog was once a good club wielder and now it seems he has to have more
brain folds. A forewarning of possible self-annihilation is likelier to
restrain the latter. Then again, it is also likelier to convince him he has
a chance of winning.


#1395 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Dec 17 11:55:08 2014:

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#1396 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Dec 17 12:20:36 2014:

Did I tell you the joke about those who killed foxes with three balls?


#1397 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Dec 17 13:00:20 2014:

nope


#1398 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Dec 17 13:35:15 2014:

Sony Hackers Threaten 9/11 Attack on Movie Theaters That Screen  The 
Interview 
http://tinyurl.com/mu4fofo

Who's afraid of the big bad midget? I'm not! 

 The world will be full of fear,  the message reads.  Remember the 
11th of September 2001. We recommend you to keep yourself distant 
from the places at that time. (If your house is nearby, you d better 
leave.) Whatever comes in the coming days is called by the greed of 
Sony Pictures Entertainment. 

I have a strong feeling the hilarious stupidity from the North 
Koreans is more entertaining than the movie they are protesting. 


#1399 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Dec 17 13:39:05 2014:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIdc0NGumVc


#1400 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Dec 17 13:56:54 2014:

Scorpion wins (again). Flawless Victory

http://tinyurl.com/pd537ls

ISIS militants have been attacking the Iraqi town of Kobane since mid-
September, when the terror group assaulted its southern suburbs in an 
attempt to seize control of the strategic border city.
The terror group quickly encircled the city, raping and murdering its 
inhabitants, but Kurdish YPG fighters supported by U.S. airstrikes have 
since pushed ISIS back out of central Kobane.


#1401 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Dec 17 16:23:24 2014:

Except "YPG" was amred by Iran while America was gurgling the "Syrian
opposition's" balls. Are you an idiot or an amnesiac?

> Turkey in particular believes the YPG to be a tool of Damascus, while
> those who believe the Rojava government's aims run against the goals of
> the Syrian opposition often accuse the Syrian Kurdish region of being a
> haven for Iranian influence.

-- http://is.gd/fG2f48
-- (redirects to Jane's 360)


#1402 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Dec 17 16:27:25 2014:

Re #1397:

One day people of the village see their reputable local Mr. Fox running scared
through the village looking for somewhere to hide.

They ask him: "What gives, Mr. Fox, why are you running?"

"There're people killing foxes who have three balls," says Mr. Fox, panting.

"Well, do you have three balls?"

"No!"

"What do you have to fear then?"

"They kill first, count next."

<insert laugh track>


#1403 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Dec 17 16:44:05 2014:

#1401 "Except "YPG" was amred by Iran while America was gurgling the 
"Syrian opposition's" balls. Are you an idiot or an amnesiac?"

First of all, you discredit yourself with that kind of language in a 
conversation. 

Second, I did not say that YPG was acting with America alone, did I?

Third, the highlight of the story was the use of scorpions as a 
military weapon. 


#1404 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Dec 17 16:46:26 2014:

Re #1403:

You're right.


#1405 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Dec 17 17:42:18 2014:

> Data retention may have helped police in Sydney siege: Abbott

-- http://is.gd/TPtdjI
-- (redirects to ZDNet)

That was fast. They aren't even trying anymore.


#1406 of 1674 by tod on Fri Dec 19 03:50:44 2014:

re #1405
Kudos to the cops
*snicker*


#1407 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Dec 20 16:50:03 2014:

> America: Australia's Dangerous Ally

-- http://is.gd/0ljILE
-- (redirects to The National Interest)

Explains why IDU is struggling to get back total power and recoup the losses.
American State in Iraq and Syria is a great instrument for that.


#1408 of 1674 by tod on Sat Dec 20 17:13:52 2014:

re #1407
I've always liked Australia.  Wollongong and Monash gave me Ultrix accounts
without asking back in '93 and were very collaborative for the sake of
science.  *cough*


#1409 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Dec 20 19:09:46 2014:

Re #1408:

I don't think extrication is actually possible but the sentiment is clearly
there in those Aussie heads that aren't infected by some form of neo-.


#1410 of 1674 by tod on Sat Dec 20 22:06:30 2014:

Space aliens will hold Earth accountable


#1411 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Dec 21 04:22:04 2014:

Pyramids were built by white people with 
blonde hair for the mothership.


#1412 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Dec 21 10:53:54 2014:

The waves sure affect reason.


#1413 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Dec 21 14:47:41 2014:

Any more plausible than a divine meteorite stone? 

Mohammed in the mothership, take me away!
http://tinyurl.com/lyxwuc6


#1414 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Dec 21 14:55:54 2014:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denpa


#1415 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Dec 21 20:50:35 2014:

America...

> Hersh: Children sodomized at Abu Ghraib, on tape
> 
> [...]
> 
> "Debating about it, ummm ... Some of the worst things that happened you
> don't know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you
> may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to
> their men. This is at Abu Ghraib ... The women were passing messages out
> saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened' and
> basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young
> boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized
> with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the
> soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in
> total terror. It's going to come out."
> 
> [...]

-- http://www.salon.com/2004/07/15/hersh_7/


#1416 of 1674 by tod on Sun Dec 21 22:17:54 2014:

Iraqi Republican Guard did that in Kuwait.  Seems like a story that
never dies.


#1417 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Dec 21 22:23:57 2014:

Could be. Rummy walked on that soil, too.

Is there videos of that one, too, seen by third parties?

Ever since the incubators I trust Uncle on atrocity stories less than the
local gossip on neighborhood girls' escapades.


#1418 of 1674 by tod on Mon Dec 22 00:02:46 2014:

I didn't think video was required to know Iraqi sodomites are plenty.


#1419 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Dec 22 00:30:25 2014:

In the context of establishing a war atrocity actually happened it is.


#1420 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Dec 22 00:32:09 2014:

Cross-examined accounts work, too. Or anything you could use at Nuernberg.


#1421 of 1674 by tod on Mon Dec 22 08:55:47 2014:

One could quiz a blood stain on a wall but it doesn't say much.


#1422 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Dec 22 12:51:24 2014:

Well, I expressed my doubts.

-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes

Common tactic and, strangely, a good way to know which parties are projecting.


#1423 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Dec 22 16:38:10 2014:

Bloomberg - Ready for $20 Oil? 
http://bv.ms/1zm274L

So tasty.


#1424 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Dec 22 19:34:37 2014:

Have you heard the name ash-Sharqiy'yah?


#1425 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Dec 22 20:45:02 2014:

The hub for Saudi Arabia's oil industry. I'm going to ask why though I'm
 pretty certain I know why you are asking. 


#1426 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Dec 22 21:12:49 2014:

Its largest province, too, and houses most of its Shi'a population. Had unrest
yesterday. Not in your news?

-- http://is.gd/mikjYC

I imagine Dhahran may see some shocks.


#1427 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Dec 22 23:20:34 2014:

Definitely not in the news here today. It's all about the "mystery"
attack on  North Korea's internet.  Saudi's need to read "How to Win
Friends & Influence People" by Dale Carnegie How will this affect the
price of oil? I imagine it might go up if anyone  smells instability. Is
there any evidence of instability? The article does not  mention it. 


#1428 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Dec 22 23:49:55 2014:

Not yet, as far as I know. Saudi Arabia is almost a blackhole for any type
of news. You won't even find its Gini index reported anywhere. This can be
transient and easily suppressed with US aid like previous Shi'a mutinies, or
it can really flare up. I don't think there'll be reporting on its actual
scale before there's marching on the streets of Riyadh. BBC even uses two
completely different jargons for reporting on this in English versus Persian.


#1429 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Dec 23 01:41:28 2014:

Is the following common knowledge?

> How to Rig an Election The G.O.P. aims to paint the country red
> 
> By Victoria Collier
> 
> [...]
> 
> Few Americans knew that until shortly before the election, Hagel had
> been chairman of the company whose computerized voting machines would
> soon count his own votes: Election Systems & Software (then called
> American Information Systems). Hagel stepped down from his post just two
> weeks before announcing his candidacy. Yet he retained millions of
> dollars in stock in the McCarthy Group, which owned ES&S. And Michael
> McCarthy, the parent company's founder, was Hagel's campaign treasurer.
> 
> [...]
> 
> Meanwhile, the new millennium, far from delivering a democratic promised
> land, presented Americans with the debacle of the 2000 presidential
> election, whose fate hung absurdly on "hanging chads"--the little pieces
> of punched-out ballot so contentiously examined during the monthlong
> recount. Few Americans knew (and many still do not know) that a faulty
> computer memory card triggered this fiasco. Late on Election Night, Al
> Gore's total in Volusia County, Florida, suddenly dropped when one
> precinct reported 16,000 negative votes. Fox News was immediately
> prompted by Florida governor Jeb Bush to call the election for his
> brother. On his way to a 3 a.m. public concession, Gore changed course
> when a campaign staffer discovered that he was actually ahead in Volusia
> County by 13,000 votes.
> 
> But the damage was done. Gore was cast as a sore loser in a hostile
> media environment. His effort to obtain a recount was described by Sean
> Hannity on Fox News as an attempt to "steal the election." Meanwhile,
> George W. Bush invoked his duty to get on with the business of running
> the country. The rest, as they say, is history.
> 
> We are now in the midst of yet another election season. And as November
> 6 approaches, only one thing is certain: American voters will have no
> ability to know with certainty who wins any given race, from dogcatcher
> to president. Nor will we know the true results of ballot initiatives
> and referenda affecting some of the most vital issues of our day,
> including fracking, abortion, gay marriage, GMO-food labeling, and
> electoral reform itself. Our faith-based elections are the result of a
> new Dark Age in American democracy, brought on, paradoxically, by
> techological progress.
>
> [...]
> 
> As recently as September 2011, a team at the U.S. Department of Energy's
> Argonne National Laboratory hacked into one of Diebold's old Accuvote
> touchscreen systems. Their report asserted that anyone with $26 in parts
> and an eighth-grade science education would be able to manipulate the
> outcome of an election. "This is a national security issue," wrote the
> Argonne team leader, Roger Johnston, using the sort of language that
> would normally set off alarm bells in our security-obsessed culture. Yet
> his warning has gone unheeded, and the Accuvote-TSX, now manufactured by
> ES&S, will be used in twenty states by more than 26 million voters in
> the 2012 general election.
> 
> [...]

-- http://harpers.org/archive/2012/11/how-to-rig-an-election/


#1430 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Dec 27 20:42:24 2014:

Snowball was known to be still skulking on Pinchfield Farm. 


#1431 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Jan 2 07:44:59 2015:

> A Radical Question About The CIA In The Mainstream Press

-- http://fff.org/2014/12/31/radical-question-cia-mainstream-press/


#1432 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Jan 2 14:17:52 2015:

That question falls on deaf ears and mute mouths. 


#1433 of 1674 by tod on Fri Jan 2 15:59:09 2015:

Every few years, somebody tries to make a name by threatening to dismantle
or heavily question the usefulness of CIA or USMC.  It withers at
some point.  You don't hear about the courier of scientists from
hostile networks in order to beat the Chinese, Russians, or AQ from
acquiring assets - but it is commonplace and needed for national
security.


#1434 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Jan 2 20:00:35 2015:

U S A. U S A. U S A.


#1435 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Jan 2 23:40:59 2015:

Tod, it appears bellstar can leave the 
ministry of love. Progress!


#1436 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Jan 3 00:35:36 2015:

Poe's Law, perhaps?


#1437 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Jan 3 02:58:17 2015:

Rane would know the difference. 


#1438 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Jan 3 04:22:39 2015:

-- https://youtu.be/Euhwq1IGWIk


#1439 of 1674 by tod on Sat Jan 3 06:26:47 2015:

                                      ^Genuine Kook


#1440 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Jan 3 14:50:46 2015:

This is the song they played in the lobby when I was able to leave the 
ministry of love: 
http://tinyurl.com/nt3jv3q

During the two minutes hate, they always show pictures of Putin and the 
chupacabra. 


#1441 of 1674 by tod on Sat Jan 3 23:44:22 2015:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qvRgzW582s
http://deadspin.com/florida-running-back-shits-pants-1677266274


#1442 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Jan 4 02:27:07 2015:

I could have lived well without seeing that.


#1443 of 1674 by tod on Sun Jan 4 03:39:32 2015:

oh poo poo


#1444 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Jan 4 05:38:48 2015:

Do the tootsie roll
To the left, the left 
Now slide, slide


#1445 of 1674 by tod on Sun Jan 4 09:00:43 2015:

Say, didja hear about chik-fil-a's payment card breach?


#1446 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Jan 4 13:05:35 2015:

Seems like every day there's a new breach. What are our IT professionals
 worth anyway? *coy look* Honestly, that is what the public is going to
arrive at eventually - but  only when it interrupts their game on TV. 
The truth is, nothing is ever secure from anything no matter how many
people  they hire or money they spend.

My bank (Wells Fargo) claims I have protection on my debit card. So far 
knock on wood...but I can say that when it does finally effect me, it's 
going to be cash only on a permanent basis. Right now the convenience is
too  irresistible. 

Side note #3 - going back to politics, there are sure to be lefties who 
claim some kind of moral justice was done to Chick-Fil-A for being a 
Christian organization. Count on that Nelson sound-byte "HA HA".


#1447 of 1674 by tod on Sun Jan 4 18:59:32 2015:

re #1446
 What are our IT professionals
  worth anyway? *coy look*

That question is a common one and the biggest answer I've seen is about
the reputation of a company whose customers rely on being protected.
Sony was a perfect example but there are even more subtle ones like Ford
or VW losing millions of dollars worth of research and engineering 
intellectual property.  My most recent example has to do with protecting
the research of "What are some predictors of an earthquake?"
Do I think a government should impose a standard?  Well - they DID.
HIPAA was the standard and its enforcement was a JOKE.  BUT, you 
put the carrot on a stick and folks still want to play along..carrot
being federal dollars or fines at 6 digits or enough to cause at least
a few jobs.  In higher ed, the big one is FERPA which threatens to
kill a univerisity's student financial aid eligibility if certain records
are exposed.  That's a big deal to so many public institutions which
rely mostly on federal student loans - maybe not so much to the private
ones funded by children of celebs who put their business in social
media w/o blinking.  Then again, kids of celebs have other privacy concerns
like being kidnapped, papparazzi targets, or burglary opportunities.


#1448 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Jan 4 20:48:06 2015:

Regarding intellectual property: The truth is that nothing is safe or 
sacred. I'm surprised no one goes after Apple these days. That's a big
old  carrot just dangling in the wind.

I've worked at places where the engineering projects are offline. Walled
off  physically from everyone but people with security clearance. All it
takes is  a sketch or a camera though. Any self-respecting engineer/cad
guy/computer  coder can take a long look at something and replicate it
later. But having  your research data right on the internet...it's
begging to be stolen. What  happened to intranets that have no internet
connection? --- Regarding the million dollar question "What are our IT
professionals worth  anyway?" My thought is very simple: without it
where would you be? Out in  the open with no protection is a bad place
to be!!! You'd be here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPbdWuBHIEw


#1449 of 1674 by tod on Sun Jan 4 23:01:20 2015:

re #1448
Walled
 off  physically from everyone but people with security clearance. All it
 takes is  a sketch or a camera though.

I've been in those places, too.  And the vulnerabilities, imnsho, are
always with the insider.  It always boils down to hardware or human.
Of course, the human side often is just about penny pinching on security
so you wind up with very strong entrance doors and then once you're in
it is a free for all.  Most places are that simple in their approach.
When I see an airliner go down over an ocean - I always simply assume
there was an engineer or programmer on board who lacked loyalty.


#1450 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Jan 5 00:21:59 2015:

I was reading this recently:

-- http://www.ashgate.com/isbn/9780754678342

Quoted a bit of it about the Aggie Bonfire collapse here, too.

In short, it's not as simple as 'loyalty' or 'work ethic.' The lazy or
traitorous employee (or citizen?) is one of the last nodes in a causal network
that produces catastrophes. Dominant flows in such networks are what's called
'policy' or 'doctrine.' Actual policies are rarely the same as stated
policies. If a dominant flow is towards a catastrophic outcome responses of
individual nodes end up either contributing or mattering little when
consciously exerted in the opposite direction. Most employees (or citizens?)
'go with the flow' and the few who don't learn are made to pay the price at
their own expense: whistleblower, killjoy, underachiever.

(It gets awfully more complicated when there is competition and multiple
loosely coupled networks affecting each other.)


#1451 of 1674 by tod on Mon Jan 5 06:26:54 2015:

janc is between the lines

'...Understanding human error as an effect of often deep, systemic
vulnerabilities rather than as a cause of failure, is an important but
necessary step forward from the oversimplified views that continue to hinder
real progress in safety management.'
I'm sold... now how to re-educate management at the C level on breaking
old habits of blame and corruption?


#1452 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Jan 5 09:45:24 2015:

Re #1451:

-- https://youtu.be/QnbvOi4SpSk


#1453 of 1674 by tod on Tue Jan 6 03:33:13 2015:

re #1452
www.youtube.com/watch?v=idOyb3kMseI


#1454 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Jan 6 04:18:54 2015:

Re #1453:

-- https://youtu.be/6LsMoUtBlDk


#1455 of 1674 by tod on Tue Jan 6 05:13:46 2015:

re #1454
Tiger replaced the Rats in Operation Troy
Great video - thnks!


#1456 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Jan 6 06:57:55 2015:

Re #1455:

-- https://github.com/kbandla/APTnotes

Interesting.


#1457 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Jan 6 20:11:12 2015:

> With power of social media growing, police now monitoring and
> criminalizing online speech

-- http://is.gd/29BlBg
-- (redirects to The Intercept)

Ramble on about the Committee for Determining Criminal Web Content, Agent Tod.


#1458 of 1674 by tod on Wed Jan 7 05:30:06 2015:

re #1456
mew, mew mew


#1459 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Jan 7 07:30:46 2015:

Re #1458:

-- http://imgur.com/gallery/Dpglmxn


#1460 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Jan 7 12:06:04 2015:

In China his mom would remind him not to make friends with dinner.


#1461 of 1674 by tod on Thu Jan 8 05:49:46 2015:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaTO8_KNcuo


#1462 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Jan 8 13:52:15 2015:

Welcome to the spin zone.

Howard Dean: Paris attackers not  Muslim terrorists 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/01/08/howard-dean-paris-
attackers-not-muslim-terrorists/

"I stopped calling these people Muslim terrorists. They're about as 
Muslim as I am," he said. "I mean, they have no respect for anybody 
else's life, that's not what the Koran says. And, you know Europe 
has an enormous radical problem. ... I think ISIS is a cult. Not an 
Islamic cult. I think it's a cult." 
----------------------------------------
Maybe the Catholics who ordered the crusades were in a cult too. 
Jews that ethnically cleansed the Canaanites were also in a cult.
 


#1463 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Jan 8 13:55:57 2015:

Cults. 

God commanded the Jews to kill Amalekites. God commanded the Catholics 
to kill pagans. God commanded Muhammad to kill and conquest over and 
over and over again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad


#1464 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Jan 8 14:00:26 2015:

Another cult:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_Their_Lies


#1465 of 1674 by tod on Thu Jan 8 14:57:38 2015:

re #1463
[...in 1883, after the fighting "the Serbs, in their bitterness (after 500
years of Turkish occupation), slit the throats of the Turks everywhere they
found them, sparing neither the wounded, nor the woman, nor the Turkish
children"...] -Le Nettoyage ethnique (Ethnic Cleansing)

Some fascists consider ethnic cleansing as the last acceptable civilian
atrocity to prolong the avoidance of actual state sponsored warfare.

Killing cartoonists for flagrant hostile propaganda is nothing new, imo.
The first thing I thought of was the kidnapping of Curtis Sliwa and
how both acts are no different, imo.


#1466 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Jan 8 15:25:26 2015:

What cult is FFL in CAR?


#1467 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Jan 8 17:33:18 2015:

My acronym translator is broken. A little help please?


#1468 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Jan 9 00:04:35 2015:

Hah. So was the attack a work of "AQAP?" Why not, say, "AQIM?"

On whose homes did Operation Serval bombs fall?

Was freedom-of-speech Charlie tongue-tied?


#1469 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Jan 9 11:58:07 2015:

Sometimes France goes the other way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War

Keen sense of right and wrong I suppose. :) 

Freedom of speech prevailed. Did you see the magazine staff backing 
down to the coward's threats? They kept on keeping on. That's the 
spirit of freedom. I'm proud of them for not cowering to radical islam.


#1470 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Jan 9 12:26:22 2015:

Iran's unseen missile defense system
Tehran has begun to mass-produce its own fighter jets, as well as 
suicide combat drones and what it dubbed  the world s first missile 
evading drone,  according to recent announcements made by the 
country s military and political leaders.

http://tinyurl.com/lkck5z6
-------------------------------------------
False sense of security? Are the systems real? Would the first layer 
of defense be enough to stop an Israeli attack? I doubt it. I feel 
the same way about other missile defense systems installed around 
Europe by the U.S. and the "Iron Dome." I have no doubt they would 
block some attacks but the inevitable destruction of war can not be 
stopped. 

Big picture: 

Size of Israel: 8,019 sq miles 
Population of Israel: 8.059 million (2013)
Size of Israel's armed forces: 624,500 (176,500 active and 445,000 
reserve)
Allies: Too many to list here. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Israel

Size of Iran: 636,400 sq miles
Population of Iran: 77.45 million (2013)
Size of Iran's armed forces: 700,000 soldiers according to the CSIS
Allies: Lebanon, Palestinian Authority, Russia, Syria, Venezuela
-------------------------------
Iran has the bigger country, larger army and larger population but 
Israel has the allies and the top gear. Israel is also cornered.
My synopsis: I suspect Iran's allies would back down in a conflict 
with Israel. I do not expect Jordan or Egypt to attack Israel in 
such a conflict and the Palestinian Authority is ghetto poor with 
resources. Would it be strategically wise for Syria or Lebanon to 
back Iran in such a conflict? NO. Missile defense is just a speed 
bump. 


#1471 of 1674 by tod on Fri Jan 9 12:56:38 2015:

re #1470
Two nukes can even the playing field just like a handgun in a fist fight.
I don't think either country is interested in finding out what the other
has in its pocket.  The military weapons and toys are more about industry
and commerce, imo.


#1472 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Jan 9 13:45:27 2015:

#1471 I agree for the most part about industry. It is still good to 
look at the big picture from time to time to put the propaganda in 
context. No country wants a mutual bloodbath. At least I hope that is 
the case. 


#1473 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Jan 9 15:59:37 2015:

Iran spends less on "defense" annually than just annual US military aid to
Israel. That's some perspective for you. Iran's real defense is not anything
made of metal ;-)


#1474 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Jan 9 16:02:54 2015:

Re #1469:

While floating in a septic tank you get scum when you surface for air.


#1475 of 1674 by tod on Fri Jan 9 17:54:01 2015:

re #1473
Germs and EMP can be fought by PhDs.  POTUS is proposing 2 years of
free community college - somehow I envision wood and metal shop classes
instead of bioscience.  The USA is harrible with edu


#1476 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Jan 9 18:13:23 2015:

tetally bad neews man
I am totally for education. I'm just praying that there aren't new "for 
profit" community colleges popping up everywhere offering online 
degrees where all the people have to do is pay for the certification.
Rigorous standards should be created and met. 


#1477 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Jan 9 18:46:42 2015:

Listening to CNN...all the French terror suspects are dead. 
*sniff* funny business?


#1478 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Jan 9 18:50:35 2015:

"the brothers were avenging the death of Anwar al-Awlaki"

Now I can say for 100% certainty that there's funny business. 
Why would these brothers give a rat's @ss about an triple agent, FBI 
asset? No...no...no. Maybe the Sandy Hook kids will pop up as victims 
again.  


#1479 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Jan 9 18:53:49 2015:

The new term is "retail terrorism" where anyone anywhere can be hit by 
terrorism. "It's a global form of globalization and it's anything but 
benign." 

Guess who they are proposing to attack as a fix on CNN? Iran and Syria.


#1480 of 1674 by tod on Fri Jan 9 20:01:40 2015:

Meanwhile, the puppet masters ask
"How's your golf swing?"


#1481 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Jan 10 00:17:25 2015:

Re #1475:

My mind didn't even go in that direction. I had poetic stuff in mind...


#1482 of 1674 by tod on Sat Jan 10 06:00:49 2015:

re #1481
I had hot nurses and doctors at first..


#1483 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Jan 10 11:01:55 2015:

Re #1482:

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILObfEzX92k


#1484 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Jan 10 13:35:54 2015:

Jack goes down on a nurse. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYDP3nBh_E4


#1485 of 1674 by tod on Sat Jan 10 17:32:44 2015:

Love being Hated
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGl5U7nNlkY


#1486 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Jan 11 02:17:58 2015:

> Jazenjuk enttarnt Sowjetrussen
> 
> [...]
> 
> Und in der Tat, waren doch ab 1942 sowjetische Truppen gnadenlos nach
> Westen vorgerueckt. Sie schreckten damals nicht davor zurueck, den Armeen
> des demokratisch gewaehlten Reichskanzlers A. Hitler auch durch
> ukrainisches Gebiet zu folgen. Die etwas laengere Route suedlich des
> Schwarzen Meeres - unter Umgehung der Ukraine - war ihnen offenbar zu
> beschwerlich.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/PfGJeH
-- (redirects to Der Spiegel)

Yats is no Nats. Totes.


#1487 of 1674 by tod on Sun Jan 11 05:17:23 2015:

re #1486
{insert joke about GOP's gerrymandering}
Yes, both GW and Hitler were demokratikly elekted
..The good 'ol days


#1488 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Jan 11 16:03:01 2015:

Be punctual and polite, carry a nice pen and don't complain when offered
sauerkraut.
Jawhol.


#1489 of 1674 by tod on Sun Jan 11 20:13:49 2015:

Same as it ever was...
Agent Orange residue on C-120's lasted into the 80s


"Swabs taken from the interiors of some planes between 1979 and 2009 showed
levels of dioxin that exceeded international safety guidelines for workers
in enclosed settings..."

"After the war, the planes were reassigned to reserve units for medical and
cargo transport and training exercises. Between 1,500 and 2,100 reservists
flew on them over the next decade, until the planes were retired, destroyed
or sold overseas."

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/01/11/vietnam-war-c123s-may-have-he
ld-
agent-orange-risk-years-after-w.html


#1490 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Jan 11 20:28:49 2015:

Roundup ready troops can take the exposure.


#1491 of 1674 by tod on Sun Jan 11 20:34:54 2015:

re #1490
So can the Big Apple
http://www.greens.org/s-r/28/28-22.html


#1492 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Jan 11 21:17:49 2015:

Imagine the levels everywhere in Vietnam.

> Drone Guidelines to Protect Civilians Do Not Apply to Afghanistan: White
> House Official

-- http://is.gd/oMjpOv
-- (redirects to CommonDreams.org)

Nazi savages. In other words, apple pie Americans of the Fourth Reich.

Since the link goes to "common dreams," it perhaps must be reiterated what's
wrong with "commonalities:"

> if one believes this [utopian] doctrine to be an illusion... then,
> perhaps, the best one can do is to try to promote some kind of
> equilibrium, necessarily unstable, between the different aspirations of
> different groups of human beings -- at the very least to prevent them
> from attempting to exterminate each other, and, so far as possible, to
> promote the maximum practical degree of sympathy and understanding,
> never likely to be complete, between them. But this is not, prima facie,
> a wildly exciting programme: a liberal sermon which recommends machinery
> designed to prevent people from doing too much harm, giving each human
> group sufficient room to realise its own idiosyncratic, unique,
> particular ends without too much interference with the ends of others,
> it is not a passionate battle-cry to inspire men to sacrifice and
> martyrdom and heroic feats. Yet if it were adopted, it might yet prevent
> mutual destruction, and, in the end, preserve the world.

The technocratic fascist calls into being his own antithesis. He's a chemist,
an engineer, a businessman and above an alchemist of the soul.

> Since science is a discourse that claims not to depend on partisan
> decisions, it enables one to 'technicalize' public action, to
> 'depoliticize' it, to render it impersonal, to bypass the democratic
> rules of accountability. This mode of action leads to an
> instrumentalization of politics through the use of specialists, it gives
> to political decisions the force of necessity, and it comes to
> substitute competence and technical knowledge for the affirmation of
> will and of values deliberately chosen.

No better cure to that than a good hard flogging, Taliban-style. Just whip
the shit America is full of--out of it.


#1493 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Jan 11 23:50:56 2015:

I could use a good stool softener.


#1494 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Jan 11 23:52:26 2015:

#1491 There a lot of unsubstantiated claims in that piece. No real
sources for  the majority of them. Would I put it past the government to
chemtrail people?  NO.


#1495 of 1674 by tod on Mon Jan 12 00:52:00 2015:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwnV40NRJWg
(from Joe's Hobby Shop)


#1496 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Jan 12 01:20:45 2015:

> Information Sheet: Malathion and Mosquito Control

-- https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/2740/

+

> Malathion was sprayed in many cities to combat West Nile virus. In the
> Fall of 1999 and the Spring of 2000, Long Island and the five boroughs
> of New York City were sprayed with several pesticides, one of which was
> malathion. While it was claimed by some anti-pesticide groups that use
> of these pesticides caused a lobster die-off in Long Island Sound, there
> is no conclusive evidence yet to support this.

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malathion

+

> As a consequence of public health use of malathion for mosquito control,
> separate assessments of dermal, inhalation, and incidental oral
> exposures resulted in risks that are not of concern. Likewise, when
> exposure from dermal, inhalation, and incidental oral routes were
> combined, the resulting MOEs do not exceed HED's level of concern.

-- http://is.gd/Pzudp0
-- (redirects to EPA.gov)


#1497 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Jan 12 01:38:04 2015:

#1495 
1. Didn't see a return flight. Disposable? 
2. I didn't see it engage in combat. It dropped a payload...that's about
it. 3. Fit and finish looks highly questionable. Also, bright red? Kinda
obvious.  I'm sure the engineers would say, "hey, it's a prototype."

#1496 "Malathion is an insecticide of relatively low human toxicity."
LOL I'm sure.


#1498 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Jan 12 02:11:35 2015:

The takeaway is actually subtler than "EPA and FDA are lying." EPA and FDA
are allowing blind human experimentation at scale. The results are presented
ipso facto but the exposure model is a crippled one. For example, it assumes
only skin contact in case of toddlers in public parks which is odd.
Hand-to-mouth is routinely considered in child non-dietary ingestion models.


#1499 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Jan 12 02:16:59 2015:

Re #1497:

"Karrar" is a slightly sneaky sensor array and cruise missile test
platform--maybe.


#1500 of 1674 by tod on Mon Jan 12 12:15:57 2015:

aerosol rabies
SARS


#1501 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Jan 12 12:41:45 2015:

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2HFzl23sEE


#1502 of 1674 by tod on Wed Jan 14 04:22:54 2015:

http://gizmodo.com/obama-wants-hacking-to-be-a-form-of-racketeering-1679328
607


#1503 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Jan 14 07:10:46 2015:

In which ways is RICO harsher than CFAA?

RICO also includes 'criminal copyright infringement.'

Any technical assistance forum that multiple shady people, even unknown to
each other and to other users, frequent can be seen as a criminal
organization.


#1504 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Jan 14 08:27:08 2015:

I've been reading some short Iran travelogues published by Western outlets
recently. Only the US ones are full of venom. It's an American thing.


#1505 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Jan 14 08:48:11 2015:

> David Cameron's internet surveillance plans rival Syria, Russia and Iran
> 
> Cameron says there should be no means of communication that 'we cannot
> read'. Let's examine what that actually means
> 
> by Cory Doctorow

-- http://is.gd/o6AImp
-- (redirects to The Guardian/CiF)


#1506 of 1674 by tod on Wed Jan 14 11:49:22 2015:

re #1505
Whit Diffie should kick him in the cajones


#1507 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Jan 14 14:24:45 2015:

#1502 The answer is government hacking good, citizen hacking bad. 
Foreigner hackers very very bad. 
Memories, like the corners of my mind. Misty watercolor memories.
http://tinyurl.com/pqcv39m

#1504 Not a Jew thing? American Jew? 

#1505 Predictable and inevitable. What can't they see now? How did the 
world's most sophisticated network of spying help them prevent any EU 
terror events? Can it in the future? 


#1508 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Jan 14 16:03:02 2015:

Re #1507:

Weren't Jews, the ones who wrote those.


#1509 of 1674 by tod on Thu Jan 15 05:14:24 2015:

@CENTCOM, tee hee hee


#1510 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Jan 20 20:08:57 2015:

This American's comment is gold:

> Let me explain how this works!
> 
> Are you confused by what's going on in the Middle East? Let me explain.
> We support the Iraqi government in the fight against the Islamic State. We
> don't like IS, but IS, but is supported by Saudi Arabia, whom we do like.
> We don't like President Assad in Syria. We support the fight against him,
> but not IS, which is also fighting against him.
> We don't like Iran, but Iran supports the Iraqi government against IS. So,
> some of our friends, support our enemies and some of our enemies are our
> friends, and some of our enemies are fighting against our other enemies,
> whom we want to loose, but we don't want our enemies who are our enemies
> to win.
> If the people we want to defeat are defeated, they might be replaced by
> people we like even less. And all this was started by invading a country
> to drive out terrorist who weren't actually there until we went in to
> drive them out. Understand now?

-- http://is.gd/eeWkIw

(The "news" piece is irrelevant, by the way. Russia won't give Iran even
jack.)


#1511 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Jan 20 20:17:22 2015:

That about sums it up. A bowl of spaghetti. 


#1512 of 1674 by tod on Tue Jan 20 23:36:43 2015:

re #1510
Job security, yes


#1513 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Jan 24 17:45:55 2015:

> 7 Big Lies 'American Sniper' Is Telling America
> 
> There is a backlash against the film's misleading take on sniper Chris
> Kyle's character.
> 
> By Zaid Jilani / AlterNet January 21, 2015
> 
> 
> 1. The Film Suggests the Iraq War Was In Response To 9/11: One way to
> get audiences to unambiguously support Kyle's actions in the film is to
> believe he's there to avenge the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The movie cuts
> from Kyle watching footage of the attacks to him serving in Iraq,
> implying there is some link between the two.
> 
> [...]

-- http://www.alternet.org/culture/7-big-lies-american-sniper-telling-ameri
ca

Ook ook, thug boy should see this!


#1514 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Jan 24 23:17:48 2015:

Triumph of the will 2015


#1515 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Jan 25 03:06:28 2015:

It got plenty tackier. They aren't making sturdy stuff like they used to.


#1516 of 1674 by tod on Sun Jan 25 05:18:43 2015:

why d'ya hate /merika


#1517 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Jan 25 05:20:51 2015:

And their balls are deflated.

 There will be a price : Obama team reportedly fuming over Netanyahu
visit
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/01/24/there-will-be-price-obama-team
 - reportedly-fuming-over-netanyahu-visit/


The Obama administration reportedly is fuming over Israeli Prime
Minister  Benjamin Netanyahu s plans to address Congress in March
regarding the  Iranian threat, with one unnamed official telling an
Israeli newspaper he  will pay  a price  for the snub.  

---------------------


#1518 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Jan 25 08:11:33 2015:

NY Times wrote something against the invitation in the tone of a beggar. I'm
starting to believe the stories about the Fed's real owners.


#1519 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Jan 25 14:25:37 2015:

#1518 I imagine it has less to do with 
actual ownership and more to do with 
influential people with alliances with 
Israel. Pressure, back room deals and 
even arm twisting. That's where the 
embarrassing ass kissing comes from that 
onlookers are puzzled by.


#1520 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Jan 25 14:48:41 2015:

Re #1519:

What's the nature of those alliances? I can only assume economic. Why does
Israel have the upper hand in them? Ownership of some things, I suppose. Must
be some very valuable things, too, because people that high can't be cheap
to buy.


#1521 of 1674 by tod on Mon Jan 26 04:39:27 2015:

Isn't it enough to chalk it up to hating brown people?


#1522 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Jan 26 09:55:09 2015:

No.


#1523 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Jan 26 09:56:58 2015:

> WikiLeaks demands answers after Google hands staff emails to US government
> 
> Search giant gave FBI emails and digital data belonging to three staffers
> WikiLeaks told last month of warrants which were served in March 2012

-- http://is.gd/Kxvus8
-- (redirects to The Guardian)

I'm surprised at the surprise. Not only is it commonplace as WikiLeaks should
already know but also it is perfectly legal. FBI can force a tap and gag the
provider. Not that Google needs any encouragement for that; just the right
paperwork and they will be more than happy to share--for some little favors.


#1524 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Jan 26 11:57:23 2015:

#1520 My iPad morphed "allegiance" into "alliance." I probably 
misspelled it and it auto-corrected. 

Important difference because allegiance to Israel from Jews in 
America to the motherland rather than alliance where there's some 
kind of deals (mutually beneficial or otherwise). I also imagine 
there are many influential constituents in some districts who are 
Jewish which would lead to non-Jew politicians' pro-Israel support.

You don't really see this with other migrants here. The Arab-
American population is growing here (1.5 million). 1.4% of the US 
population is Jewish. Less than one percent is Arab American.* 62% 
of Arab Americans originate from Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and 
Jordan. 

I wonder if the Arab-Americans are asking for and getting support 
from politicians here. If so, it's not news-worthy because it's not 
on my radar.

See: http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/2013/05/30/187096445/arab-
americans-a-growing-community-but-by-how-much


#1525 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Jan 26 12:04:02 2015:

#1521 Many millions of brown people in the U.S. including Hawaiian 
Islands and Puerto Rico (not to mention Detroit ha). We haven't claimed 
Cuba yet and if the Philippians weren't so far away... but more and 
more American is becoming a nation of brown people. I do not see 
killing brown people in far away lands diminishing as U.S. becomes more 
brown. It all comes down to power and money in the end. My 2 cents.


#1526 of 1674 by nharmon on Mon Jan 26 13:42:02 2015:

Resp:1513

I did not see the movie, nor did I read what is clearly a rubbish article.
I just want to respond to the part bellstar quoted. A lot of Americans joined
the military right after 9/11, and a lot of them ended up going to Iraq. The
argument of whether there is a link between the 9/11 attacks and our invasion
of Iraq is a subject for another time, but the movie may have been showing
that a lot of people joined the military to fight against an existential
threat, only to be thrown into a geopolitical/global industrial fight.


#1527 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Jan 26 14:50:52 2015:

Re #1524:

That's a sneaky iPad.

The issue of allegiance is kind of thorny. Barring incredibly successful
indoctrination there's no reason an American Jew whose ancestors never lived
in Palestine would see Israel as motherland. Strangely, there are many who
do.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Re #1526:

The article is well-documented. I don't know what makes it clear to you,
without having read it, that it's rubbish.

The article's purpose is clarifying the film's connection to the book it's
based on and specifically the character of the thug at its center. Making a
hero out of a real-life character whose motivations and behavior are
questionable even per his own writing is exactly what the article's title
says: lying to America. If anyone, American or otherwise, is motivated to give
the book a read after watching the film their judgment of America at large
can only take more of a dive.

Of utmost importance is that the Americans who were duped into the military
under the impression that they were doing a form of service to their nation
rather than just its elite were deceived by the same media moguls which have
now come up with another propaganda work--the film in question. Many things
could have taken a better turn for them and others had they not believed
anything coming out of those mouths.

More generally, any war the US has fought in the past few decades has been
elective. An exmaple of a 'geopolitical/industrial fight.'


#1528 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Jan 26 15:30:02 2015:

#1527 "no reason an American Jew whose ancestors never lived
in Palestine would see Israel as motherland"

Talk about sneaky! LOL Love it.


#1529 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Jan 26 16:24:28 2015:

Interesting how drones are not perceived as threats until they are 
pointed in the opposition direction. 
http://news.yahoo.com/spokesman-secret-recovers-device-white-house-
095128139.html

Let your imaginations run as to what could have been attached to such a 
device and how easily it could have been a threat. 


#1530 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Jan 26 16:43:58 2015:

Top comment according to whatever Yahoo uses to sort comments for me:

> David
> 
> These so called "toys" should be outlawed. How hard would it be to pack
> one with anthrax and crash it on a government building or in some
> location where a lot of people are like a football game? They should NOT
> be available to the general public in a hobby shop. They can be
> considered a weapon legally and making them over the counter products
> for anyone on the planet is just stupid. and that does not even touch on
> the idea of a right to privacy.


#1531 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Jan 26 16:51:13 2015:

Yes indeed, they should only be trusted with government officials, 
military and police. They will always do the right thing. 
Idiots like that make me want to go buy one on the way home from work.


#1532 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Jan 26 16:58:08 2015:

You're assuming David is a real person.


#1533 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Jan 26 18:16:46 2015:

Good point, although once it becomes a talking point and is properly 
politicized, millions will parrot "David's" sentiments with zeal.


#1534 of 1674 by nharmon on Mon Jan 26 19:45:39 2015:

Good luck outlawing radio controlled planes.


#1535 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Jan 26 19:57:43 2015:

Right now i imagine the secret service uploaded the video where it 
starts with some jackass staring at the camera before it is sent out on 
it's mission. since it's consumer level, the guy is probably launching 
it from a nearby parking lot or building. They will trace the path it 
took when it traveled. They will know who distributes it, and trace it 
back to the credit card number. Maybe. What can they really do? What 
charges can they file against him/her? It would be a landmark case if 
they wanted to. Maybe the whole thing is fake and they set some dude up 
just so they can pass new laws. 


#1536 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Jan 26 21:33:55 2015:

> Middle Eastern Turmoil and the Scaremongering on Iran

-- http://is.gd/05ostN
-- (redirects to National Interest Online)

Good summary there.

(It has vital corrections for thug boy's "education" off the
RAND-Pentagon-SAIS propaganda trough, too.)


#1537 of 1674 by tod on Tue Jan 27 04:10:32 2015:

 (It has vital corrections for thug boy's "education" off the
 RAND-Pentagon-SAIS propaganda trough, too.)

Whom is thug boy?


#1538 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Jan 27 12:35:15 2015:

Re #1537:

-- http://www.itto.org/tourismattractions/?sight=2065


#1539 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Jan 27 14:33:17 2015:

All Islamists are thug boys:
Oppressing with Sharia Law
Enslaving women and children
Kidnapping and extorting cash
Killing innocent people
Religiously intolerant
Cruel and evil punishments including death for benign acts
Sodomizing boys


#1540 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Jan 27 16:12:06 2015:

Not all Islamist do that so not all Islamists are thugs. All US armed forces
are engaged in oppression of nations so all US armed forces are thugs. It's
a side-effect of association with USG.


#1541 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Jan 28 03:40:38 2015:

Not all Islamists do that? That's your argument?
Islamism is a cancer that erradicates the lives and souls of everyone it
 touches. The victims are the Arab people. They are the ones being held
down  by it and losing their lives to it. The support of Arab Spring was
 calculated. It was never about freedom. It was about destabilization
and  subsequent oppression. It worked. 

When the U.S. Armed forces return to destroy Islamic State, it will be
to  the benefit of the world. They will have allies with them.


#1542 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Jan 28 03:44:30 2015:

That you have there is terminal ignorance. I cannot cure it.


#1543 of 1674 by tod on Wed Jan 28 05:04:04 2015:

re #1542
Decipher: uvghcl vg phhz


#1544 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Jan 28 12:14:09 2015:

Re #1543:

I didn't know what to try or how. Just dropped it in Google. Led to these:

-- http://is.gd/qqfCDb

-- http://is.gd/ZvyjOU

Someone else said 'the answer is chicken wing.'

Some references to Playfair cipher.

Laziness overtook there.


#1545 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Jan 28 13:33:04 2015:

#1542 "terminal ignorance"

You are one of those guys huh? I don't agree or see things differently 
so I'm ignorant? Talk about laziness. Or maybe you are intolerant to 
other perspectives too? 

Let me ask you this. Do you think that Islamism is a good thing? Is it 
not harming Arab people?


#1546 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Jan 28 14:04:16 2015:

Re #1545:

I recommend you start by reading this:

-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_ad-Din_al-Afghani

Then watch this:

-- http://is.gd/SPD3OO

If you do not have familirity with the settings of these characters you only
embarrass yourself talking about Muslims in general, political Islam, or MENA.


#1547 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Jan 28 14:38:47 2015:

#1546 I have read your links. No history can make right what Islamic 
State does or says. I condemn them in the strongest possible way and 
I hope they are eradicated. 

ISIS threatens Obama, Japanese and Jordanian hostages in new online 
messages
http://tinyurl.com/n3q3hge

A new, grisly beheading video from ISIS includes a direct threat 
against President Obama and is one of at least three new warnings 
from the terror organization, including pledges to kill Jordanian 
and Japanese hostages if a hostage held by Jordan is not freed.

In a new online video discovered by the Middle East Media Research 
Institute (MEMRI) on Tuesday, three Islamic State fighters stand 
behind a kneeling Kurdish fighter as one of the extremists launches 
into a diatribe against the U.S. and other Western nations.

 Know, oh Obama, that will reach America,  says one of the fighters, 
clad in black and wearing a balaclava, in a translation from Arabic 
provided by MEMRI.  Know also that we will cut off your head in the 
White House, and transform America into a Muslim Province. 
-----------------------------------------
None of these actions or threats is justifiable in any way. 
Historical context, abstract links, religious justification, greed 
(hostage taking and extortion) or desperation included. #savages


#1548 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Jan 28 14:42:11 2015:

I would love to see the cowards try to infiltrate America. #cowards


#1549 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Jan 28 14:43:22 2015:

Re #1547:

I know some savages.


#1550 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Jan 28 14:53:02 2015:

#1549 They come from all walks of life. Humans are animals after all.


#1551 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Jan 28 15:02:35 2015:

Re #1550:

True. One of them even administers Grex.


#1552 of 1674 by tod on Thu Jan 29 03:37:48 2015:

did alAfghani kill Nasser?


#1553 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Jan 29 10:12:45 2015:

Video killed the radio star.


#1554 of 1674 by tod on Fri Jan 30 04:57:19 2015:

tomato killed the grilled chz


#1555 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Jan 30 12:07:01 2015:

"Since the declaration of Ukrainian independence in 1991, the United 
States supported the Ukrainians in the development of democratic 
institutions and skills in promoting civil society and a good form 
of government   all that is necessary to achieve the objectives of 
Ukraine s European. We have invested more than 5 billion dollars to 
help Ukraine to achieve these and other goals." ~ US Assistant 
Secretary of State for Europe, Nuland

*What was the money spent on? 
*Who authorized it?
*What made this objective a priority when our own returning vets are 
suffering? Roads, bridges and other infrastructure crumbing?

----------------------------------------------------------
Connection: George Soros' Open Society Foundations (OSF)
Funded $1.5 billion for "democratic development" in the countries of 
Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union. 

Also: OSF provided funding to some groups that engaged in Ferguson-
related protest activities.
Why would Soros want to fund instability (race hostility, rebellion 
of the poor) in the United States? 


#1556 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Jan 30 14:59:46 2015:

Otpor!


#1557 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Jan 30 15:34:10 2015:

Protesters are sometimes benign unless they are financed by globalists.
Depends on marketing. Perception, perception, perception.


#1558 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Jan 30 16:02:45 2015:

Genuine dissent doesn't exist on filled bellies and regular life. Any
"protest" is orchestrated by someone with less than honest motivations.


#1559 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Jan 30 17:58:38 2015:

No arguments here!


#1560 of 1674 by tod on Sat Jan 31 06:07:24 2015:

Plenty of filled bellies and regular life in Ndrangheta..dissenters
just kinda disappear


#1561 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Jan 31 12:33:56 2015:

Yeah, one way is to fill A's belly to get B's guts out. Tranquilite.


#1562 of 1674 by tod on Sat Jan 31 16:21:11 2015:

https://books.google.com/books?id=75CQ2Lu8aF4C&lpg=PA21&ots=F2mR0PFZv_&dq=
mari
o%20lavell%20johnson&pg=PA22#v=onepage&q=mario%20lavell%20johnson&f=false


#1563 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Jan 31 17:31:49 2015:

Re #1562:

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K0kiYSStZM


#1564 of 1674 by tod on Sat Jan 31 23:00:24 2015:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ8rpcgCoi4


#1565 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Feb 1 00:27:56 2015:

There's a slaughter down there at comments section. Mindless terror.


#1566 of 1674 by tod on Mon Feb 2 03:50:06 2015:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6tV1yfEPTk


#1567 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Feb 2 16:08:25 2015:

> Former Maryland Banker Reveals He Used to Work for CIA A Banker Comes in
> From the Cold
> 
> BALTIMORE-- Edwin "Ed" Hale Sr., a retired bank executive known locally
> for his sharp-elbowed approach to business, installed video surveillance
> on his 186-acre farm and still sleeps with a sawed-off shotgun by his
> bed.
> 
> His friends, former employees and even his own daughters were shocked to
> learn in his recently published biography that he had ample reason to do
> so: The former chief executive and chairman of Bank of Baltimore says he
> worked covertly for the Central Intelligence Agency for almost a decade
> in the 1990s and early 2000s.
> 
> [...]

-- http://is.gd/sQfT3F
-- (redirects to WSJ)

"There's an ounce of gold and an ounce of pride in each ledger..."


#1568 of 1674 by tod on Tue Feb 3 06:36:04 2015:

re #1567
I dont have a subscription..what's it say


#1569 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Feb 3 07:34:34 2015:

Re #1568:

> Former Maryland Banker Reveals He Used to Work for CIA
> 
> A Banker Comes in From the Cold
> 
> BALTIMORE-- Edwin "Ed" Hale Sr., a retired bank executive known locally
> for his sharp-elbowed approach to business, installed video surveillance
> on his 186-acre farm and still sleeps with a sawed-off shotgun by his
> bed.
> 
> His friends, former employees and even his own daughters were shocked to
> learn in his recently published biography that he had ample reason to do
> so: The former chief executive and chairman of Bank of Baltimore says he
> worked covertly for the Central Intelligence Agency for almost a decade
> in the 1990s and early 2000s.
> 
> During that time, he said, he spoke regularly with a CIA handler and
> allowed the agency to create a fake company under his corporate
> umbrella, which included shipping and trucking companies he ran at the
> same time he led the bank. Operatives in the field used the fictitious
> firm as cover when traveling the world, complete with business cards and
> hats. Mr. Hale said he worked under "nonofficial cover," in which his
> identity was unassociated with the U.S. government.
> 
> In the early 1990s, Mr. Hale said, the CIA used agents posing as his
> employees to track Osama bin Laden's whereabouts and gather information
> on the terrorist's financing operations.
> 
> "It was very cathartic" to finally reveal his ties to the CIA, the
> 68-year-old said in a recent interview at his home overlooking
> Chesapeake Bay. "To hold a secret like that for so long to yourself, it
> was difficult."
> 
> None of the women he courted after he was divorced ever knew, either.
> "It would have been a great pickup line," he said, ruefully. "Hey, I'm
> a spy.'"
> 
> The college dropout, who said he survived three plane crashes and now
> owns a professional indoor soccer team, first made the disclosure last
> year in a biography he commissioned that asks, "The most interesting man
> in the world?" on the dust jacket and features blurbs from Ben Cardin
> and Barbara Mikulski, the Democratic senators from Maryland.
> 
> Not everyone was pleased that Mr. Hale decided to go public, including
> the man who Mr. Hale said recruited him to the agency in 1992.
> 
> "I am disappointed and upset that Ed would violate his agreement and
> understanding with the agency," said A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard in a phone
> interview.
> 
> Mr. Krongard was the executive director of the CIA from 2001 to 2004 and
> was also once chairman of Alex. Brown & Sons, a Baltimore investment
> bank that later merged with Bankers Trust and was acquired by Deutsche
> Bank AG . Mr. Hale and Mr. Krongard were friends who worked in the same
> office building. Mr. Krongard declined to comment on whether he worked
> for the CIA in the early 1990s.
> 
> A CIA spokeswoman declined to comment on Mr. Hale's statements or any
> assistance he may have provided to the agency. Mr. Hale said he expected
> Mr. Krongard would "get over it."
> 
> Others close to Mr. Hale said they are still processing the revelation.
> "I had a real hard time believing that he pulled off something that huge
> but I'll be damned, he did," said Ken Jones, who worked with Mr. Hale
> for 35 years, first at a trucking company and then at another bank Mr.
> Hale ran.
> 
> Mr. Hale, who grew up outside of Baltimore, made most of his fortune
> through trucking and barge companies that he founded as well as from
> real-estate development. He said he got involved in banking after he was
> turned down by Bank of Baltimore for a loan and became incensed by what
> he called its "snooty blue-blood culture."
> 
> Mr. Hale at a friend's request said he spent $1.4 million to launch a
> proxy fight in 1991 that garnered him a seat on the board and the title
> of chief executive.
> 
> Mr. Krongard approached him in early 1992, Mr. Hale said.
> 
> It wouldn't be unusual for the CIA to draft professionals to help gather
> intelligence, said Peter Earnest, who served in the CIA for 35 years and
> is currently executive director of the International Spy Museum in
> Washington. The agency has sought the help of professionals in
> businesses that provide good cover, including those that require
> frequent travel.
> 
> Mr. Hale said his fake company provided cover for agents who traveled
> throughout the Middle East and Africa. He said he was told the
> operatives' names and destinations but not the details of their
> missions. He said he was also briefed regularly on intelligence issues
> through meetings with his handler, with whom he spoke between 30 and 50
> times a year either over dinner discussions or on the phone. They often
> met for dinner at the Capital Grille in Washington, he said.
> 
> In the interview, Mr. Hale said he traveled to countries including Saudi
> Arabia, Poland, Denmark and Norway as an unofficial part of his
> arrangement with the CIA. Mr. Hale said he flew there for legitimate
> business reasons and would brief the CIA after his return about the
> economic conditions on the ground.
> 
> On one occasion, he said, the agency planned a mission that involved Mr.
> Hale traveling to the country of Georgia to buy ships that would be
> retrofitted for intelligence gathering. The mission was canceled after
> an assassination attempt on the Georgian president, Eduard Shevardnadze,
> in 1998.
> 
> While acknowledging he was never in direct danger, Mr. Hale said there
> were "a couple close calls" when agents didn't return from their
> missions on time. Mr. Hale said he was a "little nervous" they had been
> caught and revealed his name. In part to protect himself from possible
> fallout, Mr. Hale began sleeping with a shotgun by his side.
> 
> Mr. Hale said his work with the agency stopped after the Sept. 11, 2001,
> terrorist attacks and he wasn't needed anymore. He still keeps in touch
> with two of the agents, he said.
> 
> Mr. Hale's banking days are also over. In 1994, he and the board sold
> the Bank of Baltimore on to a New Jersey bank. In May 1995, he founded
> First Mariner Bancorp, holding company for 1st Mariner Bank, a
> Baltimore-based community bank.
> 
> During the financial crisis, 1st Mariner ran into trouble with
> regulators over faulty loans it had made that it had to buy back from
> Wall Street banks, generating sizable losses. In 2009, federal
> regulators ordered the bank to come up with more capital, and in 2011,
> Mr. Hale departed as chairman and CEO. The holding company filed for
> Chapter 11 bankruptcy last year and 1st Mariner Bank was purchased by a
> group of private-equity investors in June.
> 
> Mr. Hale currently focuses on his real-estate investments and the
> indoor-soccer team he owns, the Baltimore Blast.
> 
> The book, called "Hale Storm," was written by Baltimore journalist Kevin
> Cowherd and has sold about 600 copies. Mr. Hale, twice divorced, said
> the book is his way of explaining his frequent absences while his
> children were growing up. "I want my kids to know where I was and what I
> did," he said. His relationships with his daughters were once
> contentious but have improved as a result of the book, according to both
> Mr. Hale and the women.
> 
> His new passion: flower arranging, not unlike the fictional character
> played by Robert De Niro in the 2000 film "Meet the Parents." That
> character, like Mr. Hale, was also a CIA operative.


#1570 of 1674 by tod on Wed Feb 4 05:27:56 2015:

re #1569
Never heard of them


#1571 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Feb 4 14:30:14 2015:

Natuerlich.


#1572 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Feb 4 14:38:38 2015:

-- http://is.gd/iSQbOy


#1573 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Feb 5 01:36:47 2015:

-- http://i.imgur.com/Wvgwn8U.jpg


#1574 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Feb 5 02:53:56 2015:

> The Lost and "Found ID" Oddity in Terror Cases--Stupid or Sinister?

-- http://is.gd/oiyzI0
-- (redirects to WhoWhatWhy.org)


#1575 of 1674 by tod on Thu Feb 5 06:08:02 2015:

re #1572
That...that is a good one!  
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/41/Cobra_movie_poster.jpg
Cabinet Office Briefing Room A

(I haven't met the gent to the right of Sly.  Any idea of his name?)


#1576 of 1674 by tod on Thu Feb 5 06:13:33 2015:

re #1571
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b9/Not_without_my_daughter.jpg


#1577 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Feb 5 15:28:39 2015:

Re #1576:

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URio1TCW09o

I'm always surprised at the grace Iranians demonstrate in handling American
savages. I myself would never ever manage that sort of grace.


#1578 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Feb 5 15:35:37 2015:

Re #1575:

No idea:

-- http://i.imgur.com/6qFHeAZ.jpg


#1579 of 1674 by tod on Fri Feb 6 05:38:19 2015:

re #1578
Winston Lord and James Lilley were there.  It was Oct '85 PM of Singapore
party in Grand Foyer of White House.  Four years later, Tianamen.

re #1577
Why is there Englissh at the 59:54 mark?


#1580 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Feb 6 08:40:54 2015:

Re #1579:

He's trying to be suave in a way the audience would find hilarious. Also
giving her the English equivalent of a term she doesn't know.


#1581 of 1674 by tod on Fri Feb 6 21:47:04 2015:

Rico
Suave


#1582 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Feb 7 00:18:42 2015:

Some men have musculature. Some men fat cushions. Some men just want to watch
the world burn.


#1583 of 1674 by tod on Sat Feb 7 04:42:16 2015:

re #1582
I'm ok with having an industrious, honest, charitable, and happy life.
My negativity is usually fueled from within when I wind up judging others
for perceived faults and weaknesses.  It's a tough battle to overcome daily.


#1584 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Feb 7 05:53:24 2015:

Re #1583:

I was talking about me :-)


#1585 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Feb 7 14:49:41 2015:

I just want to play video games.


#1586 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Feb 7 14:50:37 2015:

Music, comic books and bad tv are good 
too.


#1587 of 1674 by tod on Sat Feb 7 19:07:32 2015:

re #1584
I know..it was rhetorical


#1588 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Feb 7 19:57:14 2015:

Re #1587:

I stand corrected.


#1589 of 1674 by tod on Sun Feb 8 06:01:31 2015:

It's creepy that the Kurdish girls are very pretty but we're seeing
them because they're fighting for their lives against ISIS


#1590 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Feb 8 07:24:43 2015:

I'd say you're seeing them because you seeing them means profit to someone.
Seleka are fighting for/to take lives, too. Any photogenic Seleka or
anti-Seleka made it to the Great White Father's "news" media yet?

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ttNN4Myv5I


#1591 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Feb 8 15:06:21 2015:

What if: ISIL roasts a pretty Jordanian woman pilot
They need to take it up a notch. Maybe little kids are next?
The controlled media needs more snuff films for the global war on
terror.

Any predictions of what will be the defining moment when the west comes 
together at once and starts the onslaught? What/when?



#1592 of 1674 by tod on Sun Feb 8 15:15:09 2015:

re #1591
Maybe the Bacha Bazi monthly calendar will make headlines to show what
ISIL covets as photogenic.


#1593 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Feb 8 15:34:53 2015:

What happens in Kabul stays in Kabul.
Terms "civilization" and "advanced culture" should be defined by
measuring  other societies in their own timeline. In is case...


#1594 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Feb 8 17:28:08 2015:

ISIS has a few great PR moves it hasn't pulled it and I really really really
wonder why. One is to make a few hour long enhanced interrogation video. Title
'ISIS Does Not Torture,' upload to YouTube. Instant gold.


#1595 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Feb 8 17:43:48 2015:

No need to torture for interrogation. What tactical information can be 
gathered from random people (pilots, aid workers, pipeline contractors,
etc.)?

No, ISIS does not need to torture. They do need to create snuff films
for  their followers and the western media. This is done not for
anything other  than fund raising. The future of Islamic State created
by extorting, killing,  mutilating, enslaving and terrorizing. Noble.
When it comes to complaining  about torture they don't have a leg to
stand on.


#1596 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Feb 8 18:13:32 2015:

They?

You realize it's quite easy to see your sickness? ;)


#1597 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Feb 8 21:18:43 2015:

English 101

they: plural pronoun, possessive their or theirs, objective them.
In this case the noun "they" refers to is ISIS. 

If you want a further breakdown (borrowed from wikipedia for
conciseness):  The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant is a jihadist
rebel group that  controls territory in Iraq and Syria and also operates
in eastern Libya, the  Sinai Peninsula of Egypt, and other areas of the
Middle East, North Africa,  South Asia, and Southeast Asia.

Nice distraction from the fact that people who mutilate, enslave, kill
and  extort in the name of Islam are much worse than a sovereign nation
that  tortures known jihadists for military intelligence. Disease meets
the  medicine. 


#1598 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Feb 8 22:55:45 2015:

-- http://is.gd/9nnYMX


#1599 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Feb 9 02:12:01 2015:

http://tinyurl.com/n33gso5


#1600 of 1674 by tod on Mon Feb 9 02:32:02 2015:

re #1598
San Jose's CloudFare aint working
 Ray ID: 1b5ca689008b0295


#1601 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Feb 9 02:54:38 2015:

Re #1598:

Yeah, not working here either. I think walkman broke it.


#1602 of 1674 by tod on Mon Feb 9 08:19:44 2015:

Whoopsie daisy


#1603 of 1674 by walkman on Mon Feb 9 13:35:08 2015:

I destroyed it with my conservative hate of things I'm accused of 
hating. 


#1604 of 1674 by bellstar on Mon Feb 9 21:33:23 2015:

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X-fXKNxpHs


#1605 of 1674 by tod on Tue Feb 10 14:48:00 2015:

Digital snipers?


http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/new-snowden-docs-indicate-scope-o
f-n
sa-preparations-for-cyber-battle-a-1013409.html


#1606 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Feb 10 17:18:15 2015:

A sniper takes out individual targets so I'm not sure why they are 
calling it "digital snipers". 

They are going after large scale networks to target infrastructure. 
Digital soldier would be more like it. 
Maybe that isn't as cool to say.

Does China manufacture the spy gear used by the NSA? That would be kind 
of odd. 


#1607 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Feb 10 23:32:11 2015:

Tod may be interested in this one:

> FEBRUARY 9, 2015
> 
> U.S.-Iran Relations
> 
> Former Representative Jim Slattery (D-KS) talked about his recent trip
> to Iran and his views on prospects for improved U.S.-Iran relations in
> the coming years.

-- http://is.gd/BRO53V
-- (redirects to C-SPAN)

It's quite long and the points of actual relevance are sparse. Still, better
than nothing, I guess.


#1608 of 1674 by tod on Wed Feb 11 05:16:02 2015:

re #1606
http://english.irib.ir/news/world/west-asia/item/204502-hackers-take-down-1
00-
isil-twitter-accounts

re #1607
00:17:57
'HOTTIES TO THE NUCLEAR AGREEMENT

pics, plz


#1609 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Feb 11 11:54:32 2015:

#1608 [twitter/anon] On one hand bravo. on the other...why is America 
ALLOWING the accounts to begin with. I can only suspect why- 
incompetence or intent.


 


#1610 of 1674 by tod on Wed Feb 11 15:22:37 2015:

re #1609
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaPcKtLioww


#1611 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Feb 11 16:49:02 2015:

Duck and cover will save us. Oh and shopping. 


#1612 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Feb 12 01:56:33 2015:

> Why Don't Americans Know What Really Happened in Vietnam?
> 
> Instead of confronting the truth, we scrubbed the record clean--and we're
> still paying for it in Afghanistan and Iraq today.

-- http://is.gd/pwmn9W
-- (redirects to The Nation)


#1613 of 1674 by tod on Sat Feb 14 04:26:48 2015:

re #1612
What really happened?
If the USA was imperialist like communists enjoy stating, then why
didn't we keep Czech or parts of Africa after WWII?  The USA could have
without blinking.  Even Mexico after 1848 for that matter.


#1614 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Feb 14 09:55:24 2015:

Re #1613:

Good reading with relevant citations:

-- http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2006/797/special.htm

Including answers to your ash-Shubuhat, Mr. al-Kalifourniyi'i *grin*


#1615 of 1674 by tod on Sat Feb 14 17:48:55 2015:

"...the death of tens of thousands of more innocent people"
Oh sorry, I lost interest in reading any further after that pot - kettle
article about wanting to use nukes on innocent people.  


#1616 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Feb 14 20:13:46 2015:

Well, your loss. I aim to enrich and entertain, regardless :-)


#1617 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Feb 14 20:57:52 2015:

McDonalds.
Bald eagle. 
Jesus Christ.
American Flag. 
F-35. 
Metallica. 
M16A4.




#1618 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Feb 14 21:36:20 2015:

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6RtsmcC5Ls


#1619 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Feb 14 21:45:39 2015:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzUQZw3wfro


#1620 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Feb 14 23:35:06 2015:

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPfeOAhDfbM


#1621 of 1674 by tod on Sun Feb 15 05:07:34 2015:

re #1619
They are children of US servicemen stationed in England

re #1620
Now that's what I'm talkin about :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lH_v3y-Pds&feature=youtu.be


#1622 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Feb 15 06:16:53 2015:

Re #1621:

-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0DO0XyS8Ko


#1623 of 1674 by tod on Sun Feb 15 06:26:48 2015:

re #1622
Death by accordion..it's typical music you can hear at the seaside at
a Black Sea resort..but the women are prettier at the seaside..

Check this guy out..he played at our wedding 15 years ago. Very traditional
music..this is a show put on every year at New Years..lots of variety shows
on TV the week of New Years.   Listen to the lady at the 1:18 mark
www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2-D4m3GwK0


#1624 of 1674 by bellstar on Sun Feb 15 07:22:14 2015:

Re #1621:

Nice song. Tu cum jura ca ai, indeed. Trust is like a mirror.

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwVFNOEknsI


#1625 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Feb 18 23:30:31 2015:

> Why I have resigned from the Telegraph
> 
> The coverage of HSBC in Britain's Telegraph is a fraud on its readers.
> If major newspapers allow corporations to influence their content for
> fear of losing advertising revenue, democracy itself is in peril.

-- http://is.gd/DnAt0f
-- (redirects to OpenDemocracy.net)

Democracy is always in peril--not long gone, not never existed. We've always
been at war with Eastasia.


#1626 of 1674 by tod on Thu Feb 19 07:33:48 2015:

Anyone is surprised to discover their employer runs a business?


#1627 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Feb 19 08:39:50 2015:

Running a bad business. I agree it can be argued that good business is an
oxymoron. Is that what you were implying?


#1628 of 1674 by tod on Thu Feb 19 20:02:45 2015:

re #1627
Our local rag (newspaper) is privately held by an investment firm.
They have committed sections and features to donors whcih I've noticed
also includes certain negative stories not making the cut if they
affect said donors.
Here's a sample
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/sections-499432-register-stories.html

The media has become "entertainment media" over the past decade "at least."
I blame it partially on HUMINT and the frenzy of no-bid contracts which
propped up all of these marketers in journalist costumes.

Salesforce.com, GroupOn, LinkedIn...they're all selling analytics on their
users/customers and the ticker values keep climbing.

The other face of the coin is the nasty truth.  Who wants to read about
the nasty truth..the murders and corruption..day after day after day.
The Joy of Cooking and Everybody Loves Raymond makes more money.


#1629 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Feb 20 04:03:17 2015:

Re #1628:

Another way of thinking about this is that a 21st century Nader--if another
one is ever produced by such society--could have a field day, or field years,
with 'news consumer rights.' Bad business is bad business. A news press that
delivers something other than news is defrauding customers. Criteria may be
murkier than car safety but are not entirely non-existent.


#1630 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Feb 20 11:47:12 2015:

#1628 Yes

#1629 There are many Ralph Naders out there but they are silenced by 
the establishment via well established labels: racist, bigot, 
conspiracy theorist, "debunked", anti-American, anti-government, 
anarchist, lunatic and so on.

The message is "shut up and eat your god damned corn syrup." 


#1631 of 1674 by tod on Fri Feb 20 14:32:49 2015:

Jesse Ventura and Alex Jones are relegated to the lunatic and theorist
categories.


#1632 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Feb 20 15:47:14 2015:

There you go. 
If you look past/through/into the theatrics often there is something to 
it.


#1633 of 1674 by tod on Sat Feb 21 04:09:55 2015:

Alex Jones would be more popular if his gf was in the videos


#1634 of 1674 by walkman on Sat Feb 21 14:47:31 2015:

He is getting attacked by his own people because it was reported that he
makes  something like 8 million dollars a year. Which is funny because
he's on scores  of radio stations and has his own little empire of
podcasts, video streams and  a paid-for network. Others in his line of
work easily make that and more with  a much smaller audience. So it goes
to show the ignorance of some people. They  thing to have credibility
you have to be "one of them."


#1635 of 1674 by tod on Sun Feb 22 00:03:46 2015:

re #1634
Sounds like Michael Moore's problem (besides greasy french fries)


#1636 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Mar 11 04:58:11 2015:

> Rationalizing Lunacy 
> The Intellectual as Servant of the State 

-- http://www.tomdispatch.com/blog/175965/


#1637 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Mar 11 14:41:50 2015:

#1636 Do you believe 911 was an inside job? The ideas found in that 
piece point in this direction. A fabricated event that keeps the state 
insecurity in perpetual motion. 5 wars in 7 years. It seems to be all 
planed and ironed out.

The economy here is held in the same regard. The economy is booming. We 
are out of the Great Recession. "You know, with the economy being as it 
is we had to make some cuts."

Secure and insecure. War and peace. Booming and busting. All 
simultaneous. 


#1638 of 1674 by tod on Thu Mar 12 01:25:17 2015:

Sirens lure us to the rocks


#1639 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Mar 19 14:16:59 2015:

Dispelling the sad myth that Jews run the media: there are 6 
corporations that own, run and distribute 90% of the American media.
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-
media-in-america-2012-6

FYI: Corporations are generally owned by shareholders, not a cabal of 
Jews. 


#1640 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Mar 19 14:19:53 2015:

2 sides of the same coin:

The shared genetic heritage of Jews and Palestinians: 
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/epiphenom/2009/01/shared-genetic-
heritage-of-jews-and.html#sthash.PtJvUlYT.dpuf

The good news is that the genetics of Arabs and Jews have been 
pretty extensively researched. The classic study dates to 2000, from 
a team lead by Michael Hammer of University of Arizona. They looked 
at Y-chromosome haplotypes   this is the genetic material passed 
from father to son down the generations.
What they revealed was that Arabs and Jews are essentially a single 
population, and that Palestinians are slap bang in the middle of the 
different Jewish populations (as shown in this figure).

Another team, lead by Almut Nebel at the Hebrew University, 
Jerusalem, took a closer look in 2001. They found that Jewish 
lineages essentially bracket Muslim Kurds, but they were also very 
closely related to Palestinians. In fact, what their analysis 
suggested was that Palestinians were identical to Jews, but with a 
small mix of Arab genes   what you would expect if they were 
originally from the same stock, but that Palestinians had mixed a 
little with Arab immigrants.


#1641 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Mar 19 17:46:42 2015:

-- https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/269973016753102849

> What they revealed was that Arabs and Jews are essentially a single
> population [...] but that Palestinians had mixed a little with Arab
> immigrants.

So, which is it? Palestinians are "pureblooded" Jews, "Jews are Arabs," or
Palestinian "blood" is "tainted a little with dirty Eh-rabs?"

You have to ask tod to tell you about his Sarmatian "blood."


#1642 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Mar 19 18:16:00 2015:

#1641 Jew and Palestinian are one in the same. 
India and Pakistan. North and South Korea. 

I suspect that Jews from Europe have a LOT of mixed blood from 
Europeans and that they differ substantially from ethnic Jews from 
Palestine. But I do find humor in the fact that ethnic Jews from the 
region are the same genetic makeup as Arabs in the West Bank.


#1643 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Mar 19 18:37:30 2015:

Re #1642:

> But I do find humor in the fact that ethnic Jews from the region are the
> same genetic makeup as Arabs in the West Bank.

Yet the glossing over of who Jews are and who Palestinians are by a Hebrew
University hack will be used to justify the "return" of a savage from Brooklyn
at the expense of multiple someone else's livelihood. That's dark humor if
anything.


#1644 of 1674 by walkman on Thu Mar 19 18:51:48 2015:

#1643 "Yet the glossing over of who Jews are and who Palestinians 
are by a Hebrew University hack will be used to justify the "return" 
of a savage from Brooklyn at the expense of multiple someone else's 
livelihood. That's dark humor if anything."

Have I ever provided a counter-stance? The humor or dark humor is a 
reaction to something that is not reasonable and frustrating. 

I can play devil's advocate too and see it from the perspective of 
the post WWII Jewish refugee that had no home, who was rejected from 
all countries. Desperate times. The UN backed the creation of a 
Jewish State because that was THEIR final solution. It's all messy 
from where I'm standing. Have you considered blaming Germany? 


#1645 of 1674 by bellstar on Thu Mar 19 20:29:19 2015:

Re #1644:

>  who was rejected from all countries

Strictly false.

Henry Morgenthau (Junior) actually had a falling out with Truman over his
rerouting ships with thousands of DP Jews to Palestine. Hans
Morgenthau--German Jew with no known blood relation to the American Morgenthau
family--later became the founder of American neoconservatism.

Look up Wannsee Conference, Haavara Agreement, Schacht Plan as well.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> The UN backed the creation of a Jewish State because that was THEIR
> final solution.

False. UNGA voted, despite UNSCOP findings, on a partition in UNGAR 181 to
be implemented by UNSC. The 1948 Ben-Gurion declaration is unrelated to the
UN and literally against UNGAR 181.

Knowing clearly war would ensue the British even abstained from voting on
UNGAR 181, let alone supporting Ben-Gurion's adventure.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Have you considered blaming Germany?

More than a million Russian and East Bloc Jews flooded the place after the
Soviet collapse. That was nearly a half of the place's Jewish population of
the time. Why would I blame Irving Moskowitz's funding of Russian Jews'
disloyalty on Germany?


#1646 of 1674 by tod on Sat Mar 21 03:37:08 2015:

It'd be like blaming the amount of Sauds in Dearborn MI on Iran.  Very
different critters.  German Jews and E European/Russian Jews are vastly
different at least culturally.
My Sarmatian blood?  Why do I feel like a mutt at the dogpound?
LOL


#1647 of 1674 by bellstar on Sat Mar 21 05:01:33 2015:

Re #1646:

> German Jews and E European/Russian Jews are vastly different at least
> culturally.

No doubt about that. Moskowitz doesn't fund it based on culture. He funds it
because its his pet project. Kind of like doing charity for tax evasion.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> My Sarmatian blood?  Why do I feel like a mutt at the dogpound?

And here I was planning to pair you with Alan women >:-)


#1648 of 1674 by tod on Sat Mar 21 17:21:32 2015:

re #1647
 And here I was planning to pair you with Alan women >:-)

Somebody beat ya to it, man  LOL
Actually, my paternal grandfather's grandfather was a paymaster in the
Crimean War.  Which side is up for debate. *snort*

Moskowitz does what they all do.  The current name for it out here
in Left Coast Land is called a Pomona.  They're using endowments
as investment vehicles with no regulatory oversight.


#1649 of 1674 by walkman on Sun Mar 22 13:48:44 2015:

Michael Douglas wrote a nice piece on his family experiences with anti-
Semitism and talks about scapegoating Jews during bad times:
http://tinyurl.com/o46t968

(Links to LA Times)


#1650 of 1674 by tod on Sun Mar 22 15:08:34 2015:

re #1649
Great read and too familiar.  A flipside conversation just to be fair though
is that I was motivated to trace my family's roots ever since I was little
and attended my great-aunt's funeral.  It was there that some of the
family was open to the rest about "We are Jews."  You can imagine the
recoiling self hatred and denial of many whom may have been brought
up with fabricated tales simply because they wouldn't have been able to
get employment or feel equal among those around them.  I was instead 
fascinated because there was never discussion of such a thing and many
of these relatives were your typical Detroit hard working and partying
with rough talk average blue collar Americans.  It was a reality to me 
at that point that there is nothing special about origins and heritage
when it comes to being who we are.  

After I'd grown and been in war, I had the opportunity to visit the country
of my paternal ancestors and expected maybe a few actual physical 
altercations just by showing my interest in "What happened to the Jews" but
quite the contrary.  Perhaps just a mirror image of the amount of being
a Jew was revealed to me by my mother in law's best friend.  It turned 
out many of my aquaintances in Bucharest had a Jewish parent or both.
And it was no big deal - no more than it was in my own family.  

In my formative years, I'd heard/seen the word "Jew" used as a negative
slur against people who were tightwads.  I'm sure many of the folks
saying it also had some ancestral intrigue in their own tree so
I never gave it much thought.  Every nasty racist name you cna think
of got tossed around in my neighborhood and most didn't take it
literal - it was part of the language among factory folks for the
sake of entertainment and adjectives.  

I had a job at Ford Motor Co as a 3rd party sysadmin and one day,
a Wednesday, one of the VP's came up to me to ask a question. I
let him know there was some dirt on his forehead.  The response
was sort of a pissed "I know." I repeated it expecting him to
wipe it off and got another more stern "I KNOW."  Oh wow, it
was Ash Wednesday and I was demonstrating my ignorance.  I was
also wearing a star of david on my necklace.  That gave me alot
to think about regarding both myself and maybe what my grandfather
and father had experienced.  These days it really isn't such a big
deal (I'm assuming) but being in Orange County, California where
the whole Minutemen and Birther movements have originated I can detect
alot of the veiled racism around me.  Right down the street is
the Saddleback Church with Rick Warren and in the other direction is
the Crystal Cathedral of televangelist Robert Schuller.  Many of
my coworkers are members of each and are pretty open about it.  You
see "NOTW" (Not of this World) on the rear windshield of every other
car, in fact.  To balance it out, there is a Chabad House at the
corner next to a Little Caesars pizza.  And so whom do I find myself
hanging out with the most at work?  Guys with Persian or Indian
background.  I suspect it is because we don't feel a connection to
the locals.  Or because we're not provincial (hahaha)


#1651 of 1674 by bellstar on Tue Mar 24 04:43:08 2015:

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35ib-aFZbuc


#1652 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Mar 24 11:45:50 2015:

Food for thought:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide_denial#Comparison_with_H
olocaust


#1653 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Mar 25 00:45:10 2015:

-- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-32012346

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VexrmTacOAA


#1654 of 1674 by tod on Wed Mar 25 05:06:48 2015:

re #1651
Paul Schaeffer is a fag.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM2ZiFmOICc
School was cancelled starting on Dec 22, '89 in Romania and people were
scared.  Worried what happens if the revolution fails..food runs out...
people freeze to death..lights go out...and the TV was on in the AM
for the first time ever..and the newscasters weren't in makeup and
were basically coming in off the street to report what was happening.
People started to make their own newspapers..for the first time since..
what..before 1950.  How is this going to work out...people were
glued to the tv.  What a f#*@'ed up Christmas people thought...
And I was watching while America was distracted by Panama.


#1655 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Mar 25 06:15:44 2015:

-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tfb5UKpxyg


#1656 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Mar 25 06:22:02 2015:

-- https://i.imgur.com/eUj375J.jpg

-- https://imgur.com/az2mkmk

-- https://i.imgur.com/S2gP3EQ.png


#1657 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Mar 25 15:26:10 2015:

Imperialist Iran:

Yemen's Houthi militia close in on president's Aden base
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/25/us-yemen-security-
idUSKBN0ML0YC20150325

"Houthi leaders have said their advance is a revolution against Hadi 
and his corrupt government, and Iran has blessed their rise as part 
of an "Islamic awakening" in the region.

"Yemen's slide towards civil war has made the country a crucial 
front in mostly Sunni Saudi Arabia's rivalry with Shi'ite Iran, 
which Riyadh accuses of stirring up sectarian strife through its 
support for the Houthis.

Sunni Arab monarchies around Yemen have condemned the Shi'ite Houthi 
takeover as a coup and have mooted a military intervention in favor 
of Hadi in recent days.

U.S. officials say Saudi Arabia is moving heavy military equipment 
including artillery to areas near its border with Yemen, raising the 
risk that the Middle East s top oil power will be drawn into the 
worsening Yemeni conflict.

Saudi sources said the build-up, which also included tanks, was 
purely defensive."


#1658 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Mar 25 15:41:21 2015:

I find the prospect of this one to be quite humorous:

Iran might attack American troops in Iraq, U.S. officials fear

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/could-iran-attack-
us-troops-in-iraq-116365.html#ixzz3VPdBJzID

"Two scenarios are of particular concern, officials say. One is that 
a collapse of the nuclear talks could escalate tensions between Iran 
and the U.S., emboldening Iranian hard-liners and potentially 
leading to attacks on Americans in Iraq.
Story Continued Below
The other is that increased U.S. efforts to oust Syrian president 
Bashar Assad, a close ally of Tehran, could provoke retaliation from 
Iran. White House officials who oppose greater involvement in 
Syria s civil war often cite concern for the safety of Americans in 
Iraq as a reason for caution, sources said.
In either case, U.S. officials fear, Iran could direct the Iraqi 
Shiite militias under its control to attack U.S. troops aiding the 
fight against the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant."
--------------------------------
If this were to happen: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_50-gOeBilc


#1659 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Mar 25 15:54:21 2015:

Will Iran's actions in Yemen give Netanyahu's fight/fear of Iranian 
nuclear weapons credibility?

Where was the Peninsula Shield Force during Arab Spring? Conflict of 
interest? Afraid of Obama?

The Arab League summit has invited Abd-Rabbu Mansour Hadi to speak this 
Saturday. Same bat time, same bat channel. 


#1660 of 1674 by walkman on Wed Mar 25 15:59:56 2015:

Fairly predictable outcome:

Houthi Fighters in Yemen Attack Air Base Used by U.S. Forces

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/middleeast/al-anad-air-base-
houthis-yemen.html

"The United States evacuated its military personnel from Al Anad 
several days ago, with fighters from Al Qaeda s Yemeni affiliate 
moving closer from one side and Houthi fighters pushing closer from 
the other."

"Yemen is sliding toward a civil war with ominous elements of a 
sectarian feud, a regional proxy conflict, the attempted return of 
an ousted authoritarian, and the expansion of anti-Western extremist 
groups like Al Qaeda and the Islamic State eager to capitalize on 
the chaos.

The Houthis, a religious group from northern Yemen, practice a 
variant of Shiite Islam and receive support from Iran."


#1661 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Mar 25 21:45:34 2015:

Houthi is not a religious group. It's an ethnic group which happens to have
a religion, too. Not all Houthis practice the same religion.

Yemen has been in a civil war since the 1970s when the first Yemenese
government was formed in the northwest while the southeast remained under
British control.

Yemen also happens to be the only country on the Arabian Peninsula to have
actual elections with universal suffrage which in the last 10 years have been
screwed over by the US and Saudi Arabia because the outcomes were not to their
liking.

In short, don't really use Jew rags as sources of information. Barefaced lying
is a time-proven Anglo-Jew profession. Also let's have tod opine some about
Schindler blue instead of his blue collar family barbecues.


#1662 of 1674 by walkman on Fri May 22 01:05:00 2015:

Jeb Bush defending the Patriot Act. So it begins. 
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/418737/jeb-bush-rand-paul-wrong-abo
ut- patriot-act-joel-gehrke

I have a bad feeling 2016 is going to be Clinton V Bush. At first it was
like,  okay maybe, let's hope not. Now the media is dismissing other
candidates and  putting Bush front and center. 


#1663 of 1674 by tod on Fri May 22 05:44:50 2015:

Jeb and his wife Hermann Goering


#1664 of 1674 by walkman on Sun May 24 11:11:26 2015:

Now that this has been "scooped" we can look forward to more "coming
out": http://tinyurl.com/leufbkv

This is yet more amusing to me: 
A Hillary Clinton Match-Up With Marco Rubio Is a Scary Thought for
Democrats http://tinyurl.com/lsar73e

You can't run on estrogen and political correctness when there's a
young,  attractive, Hispanic with a great victim story out there
appealing to a  vastly growing population! I'm no Rubio fan but it's
always fun watching the  old establishment get destroyed. 

Then there's THIS guy: 
http://tinyurl.com/mla2d82
The press is so scared of him ruing it for Hildabeast they don't dare
speak  his name. At least not too often. They want to control the
narrative. Bush  VS Clinton. Keep it at that. Long live the dynasties. 


#1665 of 1674 by tod on Mon May 25 03:45:20 2015:

I want Colonel Sanders in a Klan outfit to run on the Democratic ticket.
That'll make it honest.


#1666 of 1674 by walkman on Fri Jun 5 14:19:20 2015:

Who needs Al Sharpton? 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3111535/Hillary-Clinton-plays-
raucous-HALF-arena-black-university-claims-opponents-want-disempower-
disenfranchise-people-color.html


#1667 of 1674 by tod on Fri Jun 5 23:16:02 2015:

preach it Hil


#1668 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 21 21:57:53 2015:

> A Path Out of the Middle East Collapse
> 
> With Russia in Syria, a geopolitical structure that lasted four decades
> is in shambles. The U.S. needs a new strategy and priorities.
> 
> By HENRY A. KISSINGER

-- http://is.gd/qiK5Zs
-- (redirects to WSJ)

It begins with J, ends with W--and it rhymes with you.


#1669 of 1674 by tod on Fri Oct 23 16:13:58 2015:

OUIJA?


#1670 of 1674 by bellstar on Fri Oct 23 23:41:59 2015:

JooNew.


#1671 of 1674 by tod on Tue Oct 27 17:21:14 2015:

Japanese Kangaroo


#1672 of 1674 by bellstar on Wed Oct 28 01:59:11 2015:

-- https://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/mp-6.png


#1673 of 1674 by walkman on Tue Nov 10 16:52:21 2015:

I need to be protected from words and ideas that offend me. I'm a  weak-
minded American liberal. 


#1674 of 1674 by tod on Sat Nov 14 23:57:22 2015:

Freedom Fries will help


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