Grex Sports Conference

Item 118: bicycling

Entered by jep on Sat Jun 22 14:49:00 2002:

148 new of 291 responses total.


#144 of 291 by keesan on Tue Jul 30 00:40:40 2002:

We are thinking of trying this with the wheels removed, the pedals turned
inwards, and a large plastic bag as disguise.  There is a particularly nasty
conductor on the Chicago Ann Arbor route who won't let you turn the seats to
face each other, making up different reasons each time.  Not safe.  Not enough
space.  Only if there are three of you.  Our train was 1/4 full at most and
it was obviously safe in the end compartment where the seats are always
turned.  I finally sat on the floor so I could stretch out my legs - no rule
against that, luckily.  12 hour trip.  
Where on the trains do people put their bikes, at the ends?


#145 of 291 by mdw on Tue Jul 30 04:41:05 2002:

Is that Caltrain or Amtrak? (re #143 that is...)


#146 of 291 by scg on Tue Jul 30 19:22:55 2002:

Amtrak.  Caltrain has a special car to hold bikes.  I haven't used Amtrak in
years, but from what I hear they let people just take their bikes on and hold
them next to their seats, no disassembly required.  BART allows the same thing
on non-rush hour trains.


#147 of 291 by keesan on Thu Aug 1 02:11:56 2002:

Jim has just been hired by a neighbor (for $10) to fix up a bike that turns
out to be missing a few spokes as well as having flat tires.  This makes him
a professional (assuming he gets it fixed).  THe neighbor wants to give it
to someone who needs transportation.  Today Jim was also offered a free car
by the neighbors who plumbing and chimney he fixed.  It has a working exhaust
system but a fair bit of rust (hole in the floor).  We have never had a bike
rust to the point of unusability, but have seen quite a few that did.


#148 of 291 by jep on Thu Aug 1 12:27:12 2002:

John and I went for our longest ride yet yesterday, about 20 miles.  It
took us a little over 2 hours, and we got back late enough that the cars
all had their headlights on.

We took the Kiwanis bike trail between Adrian and Tecumseh.  A year ago,
in Clinton and Manchester, there was a big to-do because of a discussion
of extending the bike trail through those towns.  The proposed path went
through several people's fields and yards, so there was heavy opposition.

One of the arguments used was that there'd be a lot of litter along the
bike path.  I've ridden the Tecumseh-Adrian trail twice now (going all the
way along it just once) and have yet to see one piece of trash along the
trail.  Not one.

The real point of the proposal was property rights; some of the proposed
trail was right along the river, and the people who own that land want to
keep it for themselves.  I think they should be able to do so; it's 
*their* property.  So far, Manchester and Clinton, being farm communities,
see it that way, too.


#149 of 291 by gull on Thu Aug 1 12:54:15 2002:

Well, it's sort of their property.  In a lot of cases I think the trails
follow property that was sold to railroads, who eventually abandoned it. 
Now the people who live along it figure they have a right to get it back for
free.


#150 of 291 by bru on Thu Aug 1 13:53:38 2002:

I thought the railroads still maintained the property even tho they no longer
use it.


#151 of 291 by jep on Thu Aug 1 14:47:09 2002:

The bike trail is very, very nice.  It's terrific to not have to 
contend with cars going by, and most of the trail is through the woods 
so it's great scenery for riding.  As I've mentioned before, it's flat 
so it's easy riding.  I'd like very much to have more trails like that 
in my area.

If it's railroad land, it's probably easily and cheaply available, and 
yes, I'd support getting and using it.  


#152 of 291 by keesan on Thu Aug 1 16:00:45 2002:

In Minnesota the railroad had already sold their land to people after they
destroyed the tracks, and all of it could not be bought back, so the trail
was not quite as nice and straight and level as it could have been.

I would like to keep the train service and also have a bike trail running near
the train tracks so that you could bike places without needing to be near
cars.


#153 of 291 by jep on Thu Aug 1 16:11:23 2002:

Sure, but people have a right to their property, too.  There are not 
enough bicyclists to justify taking people's land for bike paths.

But the bike trail that we used last night is really terrific.

Are there many trails like it in Washtenaw County?  I'd be willing to 
pile the bikes in the car to take my son on other rides.  Does anyone 
know of others in Lenawee County?


#154 of 291 by slynne on Thu Aug 1 17:30:45 2002:

It isnt really all that cheap to get the old railroad land but it is 
worthwhile. See http://www.railtrails.org/



#155 of 291 by scott on Fri Aug 2 13:02:02 2002:

I'd worry about toxic cleanup from all thsoe railroad ties, if I was planning
on using the land for anything besides trails.


#156 of 291 by jep on Fri Aug 2 18:47:17 2002:

re #154: If you search around, there's a link to a list of trails, 
including biking trails.  I found that useful.  
(http://www.traillink.com)

There's information on Proposal 2 and it's benefits for bikers.

I didn't see anything about the cost of old railroad land, though.


#157 of 291 by keesan on Sat Aug 3 12:53:49 2002:

In W. Michigan the bike trail on the tracks was surfaced with a soft gravel
that made it hard to bike, and ran through a very thin strip of trees with
farmland on both sides.  We found the regular rides preferable - plain hard
dirt, few cars, and more to see.  The bike trail was very crowded with very
slow bikers and the dirt roads nearly empty.  I would greatly appreciate a
bike trail starting at Stadium Boulevard in Ann Arbor heading west for two
miles as there is no safe way to get out of town going west.  


#158 of 291 by omni on Sat Aug 3 20:28:50 2002:

   You'd like the U Hills bike trail. Two lanes and paved. It used gto be an
old right of way, before Sylvania and Ottawa Hills outlawed trains. I dont
know how far it goes, but I see lots of people and thier bikes on it all the
time.


#159 of 291 by gelinas on Sat Aug 3 23:36:42 2002:

I've watched a new bike trail being put in along Jackson, from Wagner to High
Lake.  So you've got part of your wish, I think, Sindi.  On Thursday, I saw
workers digging up a path on the south side of Jackson, from where the
construciton is being toward Wagner.  So you may have more of it.  However,
there may still be a bit of trouble getting from, say, Seventh and Huron to
Jackson and Maple.


#160 of 291 by jep on Sun Aug 4 01:54:09 2002:

re #158: It sounds like it's in Toledo.  I know even less about that 
than I do Ann Arbor.  It does sound nice, though.  Does it go anywhere 
interesting?  Where does it start and end?

I rode John over to his mother's house this morning, so I got in about 
a 13 mile ride.  It was a great morning for bike riding.  Much cooler 
than the day we rode the Kiwanis Trail.


#161 of 291 by johnnie on Sun Aug 4 09:19:33 2002:

If I remember correctly (it's been a few years), the Toledo trail runs 
from Sylvania to UofT, and there are a number of access/parking sites 
along the way.  Note also that it requires crossing several busy roads, 
and that the trail is also popular with pedestrians and rollerbladers.


#162 of 291 by keesan on Sun Aug 4 19:04:40 2002:

My definition of a bike trail is not something that runs along a noisy stinky
highway.  I know it is safer to bike on the path parallel to Jackson, but I
think I prefer to risk my life on Liberty or Scio Church instead.  Thanks for
the information anyway.  If we leave before 9 am on a Sunday morning it is
not quite as bad.  There is no problem getting as far as Stadium Blvd on side
streets or even sidewalks.


#163 of 291 by keesan on Sun Aug 4 20:49:59 2002:

Jim just spent a few hours measuring the rim width of all our aluminum wheels
and he has selected the two narrowest (7/8" instead of 1 1/6") rims onto which
to put wheels for my latest bike.  Narrowest wheel on the front (with the
least tread) and something thicker and wider on the back wheel which wears
out faster due to more weight.  He showed me how the tread was gone more on
the back wheel of a matched pair that he had been using.  So he is
recommending that we put unmatched tires on our front and back wheels.

The latest bike made two different sorts of noises depending which of the gear
rings I was on - chain rubbing and a deeper grinding sort of noise.  The cause
turned out to be a bent derailleur which he straightened in the vise.  A
previous gearing problem on another bike was from the derailleur not being
quite vertical.  Jim's bike has a shifter that moves until you attach it to
the cable, and a cable that moves unless attached to the shifter.  They are
all different on the inside.  We have four or five of the two-lever variety
now.  In some you push the top to go up a gear, some you push the bottom to
go up a gear.  Some of them the levers stay where you put them so you can see
what gear you are in, some they all come back to starting point.  Some you
push just a little, mine you have to push about 120 degrees (we had to rotate
the shifter so I could reach it).  There is one double-lever type where you
push on one lever and pull on the other.  Presumbly this is some sort of
improvement over the single lever, which I had no trouble pushing AND
pulling on.  Sales gimmick?

We are setting up as many bikes as possible with these double lever types so
as to avoid the twist grips, which all come with bumpy and uncomfortable grips
that you cannot replace with smooth flattened ones so as to rest your weight
on your hands.  You cannot buy anything but bumpy grips now (new).  

On the more used of the tires that we have the tread is worn down in the
middle but never on the sides.  I doubt anyone who abandoned these bikes ever
rode them much on anything but pavement.  We are choosing tires that do not
have much tread on the sides, which saves weight.  I could bike on grass and
sand just as well with narrower tires.  The knobby ones are more likely to
trap gravel, I think.


#164 of 291 by keesan on Mon Aug 5 02:20:02 2002:

I sorted tubes.  The ones with disintegrating rubber had their valve snipped
off (to be recycled as brass) and will become bungee cords.  We found a 20",
a 24",  a 28" (?) which can also be used as 700 mm.  The 24" is skinny and
Jim showed me how to make it into a thin 26" for a 1.50 inch mountain bike
tire as they have the same inside diameter.  THere are also a pile of 26" x
1 3/4" inch which are for three-speed bikes.  For mountain bikes we have 26"
by various diameters.  For the 1.50 inch tires there is 1.50-1.75 inch tubing.
The tires come in 1.75, 1.85, 1.95, 2.00, 2.05, 2.10, 2.15 (?) and tubes in
1.75-2.00 etc.  So a 26" tube will not fit all 26" tires or even all 26" rims,
and a 24" tube will fit some 26" rims.  We gave the 27" tubes to Jim's
housemate with the racing bike.    Did I miss any sizes?  What do the old
1-speeds take?

Jim spent much of today choosing wheels and tubes for my bike and when I left
was doing the same for his.  Yesterday he worked on my gears but got
distracted redishing the 7/8" rear rim which had rounded nipples that needed
to be fixed.  Some people get obsessive.  I finally biked home alone on a bike
that fits perfectly (tho something is still rubbing in certain gear ranges).


#165 of 291 by russ on Mon Aug 5 22:16:24 2002:

My roof rack only fits one of my two cars.  Unfortunately, I
haven't seen a recumbent which will fit the kind of rack which
mounts on a car's trunk lid (the tubes are far too large to
go in the holders).

Can anyone here recommend a good recumbent/carrier combo which
can be swapped between cars easily?


#166 of 291 by scott on Tue Aug 6 00:28:26 2002:

My recumbent fits nicely on a back wheel / front fork carrier, which I have
in a car-top rack.  I think you're probably screwed for a trunk rack.


#167 of 291 by keesan on Tue Aug 6 23:59:43 2002:

Jim has found a new use for his rear rack - groundhog transportation.  He
brought over his freshly caught one (a yearling, he says) in our friend's
trap, wrapped in a large grey plastic bag, and then placed it in the shade
under a grapevine behind my apartment.  I tried to poke some edible weeds
through the bars, but it just hisses a lot and won't eat them.  24 hours
already without food or water.  Tomorrow it gets a new home.  I offered it
to my landlord but he already has one.  Groundhogs don't seem happy very far
off the ground.  We may offer it Barton Hills for a new home.

This is at least the third animal caught in the trap.  Not counting the cat.
So far we are lucky that the skunk family has not found the bait appealing.


#168 of 291 by jmsaul on Wed Aug 7 02:50:02 2002:

I think it's illegal to release that onto someone else's property without
permission, so be careful in Barton Hills -- it's all private property.


#169 of 291 by mdw on Wed Aug 7 05:52:16 2002:

I think I'd offer the groundhog trail mix -- even if it eats "edible
weeds" in the wild, this may not be its first choice even there.
Trapped, it's probably not in the best state of mind, so it would likely
take something pretty special to take its mind off its predicament.
Fresh water, in a bowl, would also likely be a good idea.  It's not
likely to either eat or drink while it even thinks you're watching -- as
long as you're in sight, it's going to be much more worried that you're
going to eat it or looking for a chance to escape, than in consuming
anything under such conditions.

Probably a park or a national forest would be the best place to release
such a critter.  There are several large and fairly wild parks to the
west & north of A^2.  I paid to have some racoons who were infesting my
chimney deported to Jackson, although I don't think groundhogs are
territorial enough for such a distance to be necessary.


#170 of 291 by cmcgee on Wed Aug 7 12:51:47 2002:

The local critter control companies are now saying that they euthanize
these trapped animals because it is more humane than releaseing them into
another animal's territory.  The intruder is more likely to die from slow
starvation than be able to drive off the incumbent.  

Even parks and national forests are reaching saturation levels for
groundhogs, racoons, and skunks.  


#171 of 291 by keesan on Wed Aug 7 13:19:31 2002:

The groundhog ate the wild amaranth after I left.  I just poked some more in.
I figure if I eat it, it must be edible.  It has water in it.  I don't feel
like opening the trap to put in a bowl of water.  We will find some park for
it today that is not too close to houses, unless some other grexer wants it.

Jim 'fixed' the neighbor's bike with the broken spokes by replacing the wheels
and robbing a few other pieces off our bikes, and ajusting brakes etc.  A nice
quality upright-style ten-speed.  He needs some clips for the cable housings,
or string.


#172 of 291 by slynne on Wed Aug 7 13:26:14 2002:

I would take it but one of my dogs would probably kill it so I am 
probably not the best choice. 


#173 of 291 by keesan on Wed Aug 7 21:25:41 2002:

From rhonda@boaa.com Wed Aug  7 17:19:56 2002
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 15:02:14 -0400 
From: Rhonda Foxworth <rhonda@boaa.com>
To: "'keesan@grex.org'" <keesan@grex.org>
Subject: Bike racks

Just to let you know we now have 2 bike racks installed near the door off
the covered parking area as you suggested.
Thank you for your patience.  Enjoy!
Rhonda Foxworth, Marketing Officer
Bank of Ann Arbor


----
I had emailed the marketing officer after the vice president expressed
supreme disinterest.  I pointed out that it did not do a whole lot for the
bank's image to have bikes locked to the flagpole out front.  The racks
were on order for a long time.

Today we took our groundhog's digital photo, then wrapped it in a grey
plastic bag again, perched on Jim's milk crate on his rear rack, and biked
along the river to Parker Mill.  We photographed it and us again near the
sign to the interpretive trail, where we walked in a distance and over the
river, and opened the cage.  It sat there looking the opposite direction
for a bit, then turned around and scampered off.  On the walk there a
large dog expressed interest but the owner dragged it away.  The
groundhog's nose looked bloodied.  Probably it tried to push its way out.
It had stopped hissing.

On the way back (with Jim's son, with whom we had a nice visit to be
repeated shortly) we saw a bunch of geese and ducks with one white gull,
and then two swans.  Nice day to be out.  My bike is much better than my
old one.  I could bike along the paved level trail in highest gear, and up
the Spring St. hill in middle gear.  I used to have to walk up the hill.
.



#174 of 291 by russ on Wed Aug 7 23:53:54 2002:

I found the rhythm that Scott mentioned.  It's something I'd once
learned, sort of, but my muscles had forgotten it.  Today I tried
moving the crank all the way around with each leg instead of just 
pushing downward, and suddenly it clicked.  Even going up a gear
I was still pushing a lot faster with much less muscle effort,
perhaps due to the lower peak forces.

I made excellent time despite the wind.  This probably means a
leap in average speeds is in the offing.


#175 of 291 by bru on Thu Aug 8 03:28:05 2002:

I still need to ride more.  I ran the opposite direction to what I usually
ride, and found it was mostly uphill in this direction, gave me more of a work
out, less coasting.  I remember from my youth finding that circular pedal
motion, and I tried it today,.  Lots more of a leg workout, but also much
faster time.


#176 of 291 by jaklumen on Thu Aug 8 09:39:06 2002:

resp:174  ahhhhhhh... now I remember.  Yeah, it was something taught to 
me when I used to ride with a rec group.  I am terribly out of shape to 
really use it effectively now and will have to work back up to it.


#177 of 291 by scott on Thu Aug 8 12:56:52 2002:

I think there's a minimum fitness level you need to use that pedalling rhythm,
like running effectively.

Took a rather frenetic ride yesterday in that McMansion neighborhood off
Newport just north of M-14.  Lots of fun curves and hills, terrible
architecture.


#178 of 291 by bru on Thu Aug 8 14:43:39 2002:

doubled my ride length today, and got a very good workout for my legs.  Need
to keep at it.


#179 of 291 by keesan on Thu Aug 8 19:15:03 2002:

We are going on vacation!  Island Lake Road, Tantree Farms (north and south
of Chelsea), possibly a friend near Manchester, and Tecumseh (jep) - all the
famous local sites.  Only have to get our gears shifting perfectly, change
Jim's stem and handlebars from short woman to long man's sizing so he does
not have to ride upright, put on the pannier carriers, fix his water heater,
someone else's bike, Tim's VCR, put together computers for two people, and
we are off.  The vacation includes computer lessons and a chimney inspection
and possibly furnace installation if time.  Jim's favorite way of relaxing.

What is interesting to see in the vicinities of Chelsea, Manchester, Tecumseh
and Adrian besides Hidden Lake Gardens?


#180 of 291 by slynne on Thu Aug 8 19:47:33 2002:

Have fun!


#181 of 291 by keesan on Thu Aug 8 21:32:44 2002:

Will we have time to do that, too?


#182 of 291 by keesan on Sat Aug 10 01:37:26 2002:

Last night around 10 pm, as Jim was leaving my apartment, a raccoon climbed
up on his bike to beg for food.  It was a lot tamer than most of the cats
around here.  Jim was standing next to the bike and called me to see.  The
raccoon got tired of waiting for us and went to my neighbor's door and tried
repeatedly to pry it open.  We wonder if she feeds it.  Jim got a couple of
good digital photos (the sort where he sticks the camera into someone's face
and hits the button and hopes they are in the photo - he was lucky this time).
Big difference between raccoons and groundhogs.


#183 of 291 by keesan on Sat Aug 10 13:48:25 2002:

Another raccoon in the trap at Jim's house.  He is thinking Parker Mill again
as it is isolated from houses.  Good excuse for a bike ride.


#184 of 291 by keesan on Sun Aug 11 01:17:09 2002:

A friend with the farm took the raccoon in the trap to some woods on the way
home.  Jim was going to take it along with us to Independence Lake.  He says
the extra weight is a good handicap so he can keep up with me.  On the way
back we saw two flocks of deer - 10 and 15 - plus some singles.  No raccoons.

There is another county park near Sharon Hollow with a working hydroelectric
plant and restored mill, and Waterloo State Rec Area is not far out of our
path.  The bikes still need some work first.  Mine makes a loud bumpy noise
every time the wheel turns with the rear brake on, and a loud squeaky noise
with front brake one.  And some gear positions cause the chain to rattle or
scrape.  The book desribes how to keep changing gears and keep changing cable
tension until everything works.  Sounds time consuming.

Barton Hills required all my gears - highest gear at the entrance where the
hackberry trees are all in a row (they are edible), lowest gear climbing up
to the country club swimming pool and after that I walked to the water tower,
which must be the high point around here.  Stein, Joy, Jennings are pretty
level.  At the lake we met someone using a mop handle as a cane who is
attempting to get a bit of exercise to help recover from a fork lift injury.
I forget to feel lucky that I can bike sometimes.

The problem with biking to the lake is you get hungry, and after eating you
feel like taking a nap, and then it is nearly time to leave in order to get
back before dark.  We swam one lap (a long lap).


#185 of 291 by hash on Thu Aug 15 18:01:05 2002:

I have a 2001 Specialized Rock Hopper.  I bike to work every day (if it's not
going to rain and it's not going to be over 95)
the aabts looks cool, but I dunno if I'm ready for 20+ mile rides yet.


#186 of 291 by keesan on Fri Aug 16 02:27:00 2002:

2001 is the year it was made?
Jim is now a professional bike repair person.  The neighbor who paid him $10
must have told a friend, as we found another old bike leaning against the
housse (where it must have been for a while, through a few rains) with a wet
note containing name, phone, and money attached.  And another friend of a
friend wants a wheel replaced for a found bike.  We have all of tomorrow to
get our bikes and camping gear and maps and food and pots ready for a 10 day
bike trip.  Jim needs to change his stem and handlebars first.


#187 of 291 by russ on Fri Aug 16 03:10:42 2002:

I went out just before dark today and got in a pretty good ride.
I made good time despite the wind, chopping about 14 seconds off
my best time of the last several rides (and 26 seconds off my last
time despite more wind).  I'm definitely going faster with the
"spinning" technique than I was with the "mashing" technique, even
at lower cadences.

However, I'm concerned about efficiency.  I drank a full oversize
bike bottle and then drained the 2-liter in the aft pack, so I am
only getting around 30 miles per gallon of water.  Maybe I need a
tune-up.


#188 of 291 by russ on Fri Aug 16 10:06:20 2002:

One thing that's curious... when I come back from an evening
ride I usually have a number of small black spots on my face.
Close examination shows them to be dead gnats.  Apparently,
they can't get out of the way of something moving at 15+ MPH
and they don't survive the impact.  (I'd opine that they
drowned, but I've found them stuck in dry leg hair too.)

If the Jains (?) are correct and we lose karma for everything we
kill, however accidentally, I'm going to reincarnate as a slug...

Does the happy-biker stereotype apply before the dead bugs
are on your teeth?


#189 of 291 by clees on Fri Aug 16 11:19:43 2002:

In the weekend of August 26th I'll be going to Italy for a week to do 
some cycling. Yea! Sun, vino and mountains.


#190 of 291 by jep on Fri Aug 16 13:49:00 2002:

John and I rode for about an hour last night, which must have been 7-8 
miles.  We're not going to be able to ride further than that during the 
week, since it's getting dark earlier.


#191 of 291 by keesan on Fri Aug 16 15:05:11 2002:

It is nice to read about people of so many different levels using their bikes.
Jim asks Russ where he is going that he is measuring the time in seconds. We
are usually happy to cut 15 minutes off of our time coming back from the lake.


#192 of 291 by scott on Fri Aug 16 16:32:47 2002:

I'd go nuts if I did the same route every time - I just like to go off and
explore neighborhoods and then go really fast on open sections.

I put the cheapo bike computer back on yesterday just to see how I was doing
with speeds and such.  Top speed 36.5 MPH (downhill and in top gear), which
is about the same as last time.  Probably 2-3 MPH faster overall, though.


#193 of 291 by keesan on Sat Aug 17 00:42:12 2002:

In theory we are leaving tomorrow on our bike trip.  Since we did not have
time to figure out what the clunking noise in the rear wheel is when I use
the rear brake, or get the derailleur working properly on my nice lightweight
trek, Jim is taking apart the front derailleur on the heavier Raleigh 6 speed
to make it into an 18 speed.  The gears work perfectly and we replaced the
wide curvy handlebar witha short straight one so I can ride bent over.

Any suggestions on what to pack besides the following?

tent, mats, bedding (layers - for temps predicted at 57 to 83), ground cloth
pressure cooker and wok with cover, knife, small cutting board, curved spatula
like strainer-like thing to use with the wok.  

For pressure cooking - millet, lentils.  Boiling in the pressure cooker -
oats. Stir-frying - peanuts, dried tofu, and vegetables given to us along the
way.  Olive oil and soy sauce.  Garlic.  Dried apricots from our tree.  Two
kinds of Chinese dried mushrooms.  All in plastic tofu tubs.  We may also buy
some noodles.  Will be fed by friends half the time.  What else is light and
compact and non-spoiling and vegan and whole-grain etc. that would pack well
on a bike?

Clothing also layers.  Biking shoes or sandals, lightweight shoes for
non-biking.  Rain gear.  Windbreaker, flannel shirt, lightweight long sleeves
to keep the sun off, wool shirt for me, t-shirts, 2 pairs shorts, one pair
thin knit pants for over shorts and for pajamas, sweatshirt, hat, thin
sweater.  What did we forget?   Toothbrushes, floss, shampoo, dish/laundry
detergent.  Toilet paper.  Flashlight?  We can still see until almost 9 pm
and did not need one last September and they are heavy.  Digital camera?
Bathing suits.   A hankie.  Money and maps and some paper and pencils, maybe
a small notebook if I find one soon.  One year we took a weather radio.
Bandages and antiseptic cream.  Sunscreen for Jim who turns pink otherwise.
We will have four panniers each and larger items piled on the racks with
bungie cords.  Everything in large plastic bags as the panniers may leak.

Please point out what we forget and what else might be helpful, tonight.
In theory we leave tomorrow (after packing tomorrow and replacing Jim's stem
and handlebars and putting on pannier racks on front, and Jim is fixing a
neighbor's bike first.). 

The library has three MI county map books and an excellent large Washtenaw
County map and a smaller Lenawee county truckers' map showing which roads for
us to avoid.  It labels quarries (good campsites if not currently in use),
cemetaries (good for lunch stops), and some parks I never heard of including
two in Sharon township one near a millpond.  Various schools and camps and
proving grounds.  Hayes state park is not too far from Tecumseh.  Waterloo
is not too far west of our friends.


#194 of 291 by keesan on Sat Aug 17 02:19:25 2002:

The front derailleur sort of works on the Raleigh if you push hard enough.
The other method is to stop and move the chain over manually.  This bike might
be better for flat areas than the Trek.  I was into the very highest gear on
the Trek while not biking terribly fast.  Jim thinks some oil might help the
Raleigh.  The brakes were all rusted together when I got it.  But the rear
derailleur has always worked properly.  Perhaps the front one suffered from
disuse.  But surely the brakes would have been used if the derailleur was
used.  ??  Jim is busy working on the neighbor's bike.  They got the wrong
sort of rear baskets for the bike and attached them with a bit of thin wire.
He is going to make something with bolts.  Amazing how many different ways
there are to design a basket attachment and how many ways to design a bike
to take baskets or racks, and they rarely coincide.  The bike arrived with
a note saying 'please fix this bike'.  I would have replaced the decaying
looking tire but he says the sidewalls are not important and it has plenty
of tread.  He straightened the rims and replaced a worn cone in the bottom
bracket instead.  And put air in the tires (completely flat) - that might have
been what needed to be fixed.  They are holding air just fine.


#195 of 291 by russ on Sat Aug 17 02:51:54 2002:

Re #191:  I ride a route that's fairly popular with cyclists and
doesn't share much space with vehicles, which lets me ride all-out
for exercise rather than worrying about traffic all the time.  That
also lets me gauge my performance with a stopwatch.

It may be the same path, but the scenery is always changing.  If I
want new vistas, I can take off on a weekend and go though a park or
rec area somewhere.


#196 of 291 by jep on Sat Aug 17 03:55:31 2002:

Hayes State Park is across the road from Wampler's Lake.  It's about 20 
miles from Tecumseh.  There's a private campground near Macon (2 miles 
from Clinton), would you be interested in using that?  That's the 
closest campground I know of to where I live.

There are city parks around Tecumseh, but I've never seen anyone 
camping at them.  I would think the Tecumseh police would frown on it.  
There are farmers all around here, though.  I'd have tried to make 
arrangements for you, but they're all friends of Andrea's dad, and 
you'll probably have better luck just stopping and asking them 
yourselves.

Take your cell phone.

John is looking forward to seeing you.

I can't give you any advice on vegan food.  You can always snitch a few 
ears of corn if you're not particular (field corn), or buy sweet corn 
along the way.

I saw a few herds of zucchini growers near the edge of Clinton, but 
luckily was near a side street and so I got away before they trapped 
me.  Who'd have ever thought they'd learn to cooperate... usually 
they're in pretty stiff competition with one another.

Bringing vegetables out into farm country this time of year is bringing 
coal to Newcastle.  


#197 of 291 by keesan on Sat Aug 17 14:05:36 2002:

We will be visiting friends with a large garden and then friends with an
organic farm so it is just the staples we need to bring along.  I might go
buy a few treats at the coop this morning.

'Take your cell phone' means as much to us as 'turn on your TV'.  What I am
doing is forwarding grex mail to yahoo so that I can read mail at a library
where they don't allow telnetting. (I did figure out how to do it with
hyperterminal and Win95 but don't recall quite how I did it.)  I should take
a list of phone numbers of people we might visit.

Looks like today will be the day for packing as it threatens rain.  Jim is
working on the neighbor's bike basket.

Will try to remember about Macon and the campground but farmer's fields are
usually a lot quieter than even the public campgrounds.  There was one state
park where they refused to take our money when we entered at 9 pm and then
insisted on waking us at 11 pm to collect the money.  (They took the $2 park
entrance fee but not the $4 camping fee at the gate).  Farmers are pretty nice
to people on bikes.  We were given a grassy spot by one private lake and then
a tour of their steam tractor collection and egg factory.  Some E. Germans
on a bike tour with a baby stayed at a monastery and a dairy farm near here.


#198 of 291 by omni on Sat Aug 17 18:36:50 2002:

  take your map of Toledo. When you get within 5 miles dial 419 514 7387.
I'll come and see you.



#199 of 291 by keesan on Sat Aug 17 20:48:09 2002:

We will not be within 5 miles of Toledo as Tecumseh is our farthest point
south.  Jim just adjusted our bike helmets and fixed my wheel so the brake
would not hit a bump (it was out of true and the aluminum had been worn down).
Works nicely.  The other one has a front derailleur that works now but takes
both arms to move it so we may want to replace the derailleur.  Our friends
near Chelsea expected us for lunch, got to call and explain that we are late.

Jep, can you email us your phone number and address?  You are not in the
Washtenaw County phone book.

I have addresses of four farmers to visit on the way back including Nemeth
orchards and a guy near Belleville who used to bike everywhere on his 1-speed
with coaster brakes, carrying his family on the handlebars.

The roofer biked by today. I did not recognize him in helmet and shorts.


#200 of 291 by jep on Sat Aug 17 23:29:48 2002:

I shouldn't be in the Washtenaw County phone book, as Tecumseh is in 
Lenawee County.  (-:

This trip of yours sounds very interesting to me.

Jim, why don't you join us in Tecumseh?  I live in Conklin Estates, 
just off M-50 on the east side of town.  Jim and Sindi will be here on 
Saturday.


#201 of 291 by keesan on Sun Aug 18 01:05:58 2002:

We should be there if we don't break down or get rained out, anyway.  (We have
biked in solid rain before, though.)  I know you are in Lenawee County as I
went to the library and copied some maps from there.  Sounds like an
interesting place to visit and I hope the four of us can do some biking
together on Sunday, maybe to Adrian.

A few things I forgot - patch kit for the camping mats (we used up our glue
last summer and the store is closed tonight), a lid for the small wok (Jim
came up with stainless bowl but it is a bit small - stove fits inside both
of them), old washcloth for bathing with (we packed shampoo to wash with).
Still have to attach the front pannier holders and Jim suspects he left the
bolts and U's on the bike he sold while removing the pannier racks themselves
so will have to make some.  Also hope to change his stem to add 3" length as
he is riding a small open-frame bike same size as mine and mine is a bit small
for me.  Nobody makes large (men's size) open-frame bikes, unfortunately. 
He got the two for which we had longer seatposts, I got the others.  

Our friends near Chelsea were expecting us for lunch today ;(.  I hope to be
packed tonight but there is a long way to go.  At least all the cooking stuff
but the wok lid was in a box.  Jim decided to take pepper spray for vicious
dogs but I will have to go first so he can spray behind him and have it not
go in our own eyes and noses.  He has taken it before but we always outraced
the attackers.  There are no vicious dogs on our route to Independence Lake
but there was one coming back from Bell Road Bridge.  Last three times he took
it and never used it.  

Have to come up with some bedding suitable for 57-83 degrees and humid.  Down
does not work well east of the Mississipi.  Polyester is bulky.  We may take
light bags and warm clothing to sleep in.  Long-sleeve jersey, wool shirt,
hooded sweatshirt, wool socks, long underwear.  We stayed warmer in a windy
snowstorm than in 50 degrees and calm due to condensation, in Paw Paw.


#202 of 291 by omni on Sun Aug 18 04:26:14 2002:

  This coming Saturday?? If so, I'll try, no promises. Sat is one of the best
nights, but I may just take that night off since I work so much anyway. Mail
w/ address. I'll email you as to weather or not I will be coming.
omni18@juno.com


#203 of 291 by russ on Sun Aug 18 13:27:22 2002:

Have I mentioned here how much a wind, even a breeze, slows one down
on a bicycle?  I really took a speed hit on my ride today.


#204 of 291 by keesan on Sun Aug 18 18:27:16 2002:

Try biking in a wind with 40 pounds of bulky gear on the bike.
Hope to see you, omni.  We had a couple of nice visits with your sister and
her 'new' computer this week.  We are nearly packed.  Jim attached the front
pannier racks somehow and is done choosing and packing tents, mats,
groundcloths, bedding, cooking stuff, etc., and currently working on
flashlights.  The friend who we are visiting 'this weekend' cancelled Monday
plans so she could spend time with us.  Getting ready is half the fun but I
wish it were not half the trip as well.  I hope we can make it there for
supper (about a 3 hour trip to near Island Lake).  50 degree lows predicted
which makes for much nicer biking weather.

We will both be highly visible.  Jim gets the heavy stuff in a large orange
bag on the back of his bike, and I get the light stuff in an old external
frame orange backpack minus the skeleton, which we were about to get rid of
when Jim started looking for something that would be visible in rain.  Rain
possible Monday and Thursday.

Looking forward to visiting with both Johns and maybe seeing the annual
Tecumseh corn festival parade and the llama ranch and gravel pit swimming hole
and the fishes in their tank.

Do any grexers have small lightweight tents that they no longer want? 
Something without strings, please, but need not be terribly modern.
And does anyone want a very large blue dome tent without a fly, good for kids
to camp in the yard? 
Anyone have unwanted used bike panniers?  Ours are getting harder to mend.


#205 of 291 by russ on Mon Aug 19 22:02:55 2002:

Re #204:  The bulk would slow me more than the weight, unless I was
climbing hills; given how little I slow down with even a large reduction
of effort, I'm running at the limits of air drag, not weight or rolling
resistance.

Cooling probably scales proportional to speed, but power expended
against air drag scales as speed cubed.  No wonder it's such hot work,
pushing at maximum speed!


#206 of 291 by keesan on Mon Aug 19 22:40:53 2002:

We arrived just at sunset.  I was in lowest gear on the last hill and walked
the last half of it. Jim proved he could bike it.
There are at least three ways for a tent to get wet during a rainstorm:
Rains in the screen door (at an angle).
The groundcloth acts like a bathtub if a bit of it pokes out.
When you zip up the door over the screening then your breath condenses on the
underside of the fly, which since it is contacting the screen roof, then rains
down more puddles from above to join the ones from below.
Down sleeping bags make excellent sponges.

My handlebar stem puts the handlebar at a slight angle with the result that
I have to bike a bit tilted so the seat hits one leg.  We will improvise a
fix.  

Before leaving my sandal strap broke.  Just as I was getting on the bike. 
Perfect timing.  Jim's toilet also started leaking but he put a bucket under
the tank.

We have discovered two probable bugs in Kermit and Jim just fixed the printer.
Our friend cannot think of any reason to get a faster computer (she has a 486)
or modem (the phone lines only go to 14.4).  She is happy rewinding old
typewriter ribbons onto the proper spools for her 9-pin printer.  They are
free, paper is $1/box.  256 colors is plenty.  We almost feel guilty for
offering her a pentium.


#207 of 291 by jmsaul on Tue Aug 20 01:10:28 2002:

Unless she has really bad phone lines, they should go faster than that.  I
live in the semi-boonies, and I get 23 or 24 using a 56K modem.


#208 of 291 by russ on Tue Aug 27 00:42:44 2002:

As I predicted, my speed took a big jump on today's ride.  (Last time
I didn't sit long enough to drink a full bottle of water before the
return leg, so it wasn't comparable to my usual ride.)  I set a new
personal-best record and averaged over 16 MPH.


#209 of 291 by jep on Tue Aug 27 13:02:55 2002:

How far do you ride at 16 mph, Russ?


#210 of 291 by scott on Tue Aug 27 13:14:04 2002:

I'm more curious about how flat/hilly Russ rides.  My own rides typically have
me varying between ~5 and ~30 mph, due to the local topology.


#211 of 291 by bhelliom on Tue Aug 27 14:00:21 2002:

Regardless of the topography, keep up the good work, Russ.


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#213 of 291 by bhelliom on Tue Aug 27 16:16:19 2002:

Huron Valley is a very hilly area.


#214 of 291 by scott on Tue Aug 27 16:49:52 2002:

Yeah, Ann Arbor is not only in the Huron River valley, but glacial terrain
as well.


#215 of 291 by bhelliom on Tue Aug 27 17:33:34 2002:

We're on the so-called "Ft. Wayne Morraine," I think.


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#217 of 291 by bhelliom on Tue Aug 27 21:15:25 2002:

No, I live in Ann Arbor.  The Ft. Wayne Morraine stretches from 
somewhere north of A2 all the way to Ft. Wayne, hence the name.


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#219 of 291 by scott on Wed Aug 28 00:00:17 2002:

Yes, I live on top of it, about 1/2 mile from the end.

Gee, I wonder I could organize a big Fort Wayne Morraine convention for next
summer?  We could hold it at Hunt Park and have skateboard races down Sunset
where the morraine ends.  ;)


#220 of 291 by russ on Wed Aug 28 03:35:24 2002:

Re #209:  About 17 miles or thereabouts.  I have no accurate measurement.

I went out for a ride again tonight, because I had the time.  I came
back with more kamikaze gnats on my face.  It's getting pretty comical.

I'm not willing to tell people where I ride (it's crowded enough
as it is, thanks) but it's fairly flat with the far end somewhat
higher than the one near home; that accounts for part of the
speed difference.  I keep forgetting to take my altimeter on a
ride and write down the readings.  I have no idea how fast I climb
hills, but I'll bet that I averaged less than 3 MPH going up the
canyon switchbacks.  I need to install the bike computer I bought
(and grease all the bearings, and un-bend the chainwheel... <sigh> ).

The last time I rode up Old 23 it took me about 50 minutes to get
to the road which goes to Independence Lake park, and I considered
that to be a picnic, difficulty-wise.  The climb out of the valley
is slow but then you have some pretty easy sailing.


#221 of 291 by mcnally on Wed Aug 28 04:04:46 2002:

  "canyon switchbacks"?


#222 of 291 by scg on Wed Aug 28 05:57:31 2002:

I think Russ must be riding in Cedar Bend Park, since those are the only
switchbacks I can think of on roads in the Ann Arbor area.  I'm trying to
remember if there are any switchbacks in Barton Hills, but I don't think there
are.

Hilly is, of course, a relative term.  Before I'd spent much time in hilly
areas, I used to think parts of Ann Arbor were hilly.  I've had to conclude
since that Ann Arbor is decidedly flat.


#223 of 291 by bhelliom on Wed Aug 28 12:53:30 2002:

Hmm, so not *quite* north of A2.  Learn something new all hte time.


#224 of 291 by gull on Wed Aug 28 13:37:58 2002:

Ann Arbor is hilly compared to anywhere in the Saginaw Valley.  It's not
hilly compared to Houghton.  And Houghton is only moderately hilly compared
to San Francisco.  (Well, the steepness is about the same, but San
Francisco's hills go on longer.)


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#226 of 291 by russ on Thu Aug 29 01:48:29 2002:

To clarify:  Back in May I rode Utah route 7 (or is it 2? it goes from
I-15 to US-89) east of Springdale, which has some switchbacks a few
miles out of town.  I'll let you get the maps to see where that goes. ;-)

While catching my breath on the trip up, I took plenty of pictures.
There wasn't time to snap pics on the way down, and it would have
ruined the fun anyway.


#227 of 291 by scg on Thu Aug 29 03:03:18 2002:

Ok, that sounds like I'd probably count it as hilly.


#228 of 291 by russ on Fri Aug 30 01:48:09 2002:

Taking it easy and even stopping to pick up an abandoned bicycle to
drop off at lost & found... walking the last half-mile... still
averaged more than 12 MPH over time-in-motion.  The difference between
all-out effort and really slacking is remarkably small.

Re #227:  I bet you would.  My altimeter said it climbed about 800
feet.  Most of that climb was along a bit over 3 miles of road.


#229 of 291 by polytarp on Fri Aug 30 01:49:19 2002:

fag.


#230 of 291 by keesan on Fri Aug 30 17:31:47 2002:

Were you in Barton Hills?  Lots of hills, paved roads and very little car
traffic.
If anyone ever needs a bike part in Milan a guy on Main St. most of the way
out of town with a big collection of old bikes in his yard can help.  He gave
us a tire when mine got damaged.  He is willing to take all our old women's
3-speed bikes and find them homes with kids who cannot afford new ones. 
Someone on a bike at the supermarket sent us to him.  


#231 of 291 by polytarp on Fri Aug 30 20:50:16 2002:

fag.


#232 of 291 by clees on Sat Aug 31 19:02:10 2002:

Back from Lombardy, Italy. It was great, but strainuous. (wet too, 
loads of thunderstorms)
All'n all I estimate I climbed more than 12,000 ft. in four rides.
Overall distance 320 kilometers.


#233 of 291 by scg on Sun Sep 1 05:39:41 2002:

My ride today:  Los Altos (roughly Palo Alto) to Santa Cruz, taking a somewhat
roundabout route to get more big hills in.  115 miles, 11,000 feet of
elevation gain.  Around 10 hours total, slightly over 8 hours of on the bike
time.

Scary moment for the day:  Somewhere near the bottom of the final ten mile,
2,000 foot high speed descent to the parking lot, I was coming around a corner
and found a patch of gravel.  I remember one of my wheels starting to slide
(it must have been the back wheel, since I don't think I could have recovered
from the front wheel sliding at that speed), but fortunately it caught before
it had slid far enough to make me crash, and I was able to stay upright and
keep going.  These $50 tires that wear out after a little more than a thousand
miles seem well worth the cost.

I later learned that somebody else had crashed there shortly before I went
through.  She smashed her helmet, and had some road rash on her leg, but
fortunately seemed otherwise alright.


#234 of 291 by clees on Sun Sep 1 12:39:54 2002:

That makes my effort look pretty meager, Steve.


#235 of 291 by russ on Sun Sep 1 17:46:46 2002:

Steve is definitely Grex's answer to Lance Armstrong.  I might be
able to climb one such hill on a 30-mile ride, but over and over...


#236 of 291 by keesan on Sun Sep 1 19:38:17 2002:

We just went maybe 200-300 miles (on mostly gravel roads) but it took 10 days
of biking, about 2-5 hours/day.  I will eventually post photos and travelog.
Started north of Chelsea and continued in a big circle through Tecumseh,
Milan, Dundee and back and forth staying in yards and once in pole barn while
it poured.  We met the owner while cooking lunch on the front porch at
Bridgewater Lumber (they said their picnic table was the only one in town and
it had a roof).  Other high points included a private tour of the Dundee
Military Pool (vehicle) museum after we stayed in the owner's yard, scones
for breakfast after staying in another stranger's yard (he waved at us as we
were going by around dark), tour of a dairy operation, the largest vegetable
farm that sells at market (it was ten times as big before her husband died
recently), orchard, organic vegetable farm, pawpaw grove, Tecumseh swimming
hole and bike trail, unofficial Milan bike shop (he gave us a tire), and
getting our photos in the Milan weekly newspaper just for being there.  We
brought back two colds, one poison ivy, and another camping mat.  We were
amazed to find that nobody we visited had a digital camera yet and that almost
everybody had white Corelle dishes.  On our trip we found no skunks or
raccoons or helicopters and only one smoker (on a bike).  But lots of smashed
opossums and groundhogs.


#237 of 291 by tpryan on Mon Sep 2 19:12:16 2002:

        opossum....two forks up!


#238 of 291 by russ on Mon Sep 2 21:21:02 2002:

I still seem to be improving.  Despite the wind today, I averaged
over 3/10 of a MPH faster than my previous personal-best record.

On the downside, my front derailleur isn't shifting correctly.  I
need to see if the stop screw moved, the cable stretched, or the
mechanism is binding.


#239 of 291 by keesan on Tue Sep 3 01:14:48 2002:

When you figure it out, come fix mine.  Did it possibly get bent?


#240 of 291 by scg on Tue Sep 3 05:05:22 2002:

If you're dropping the chain (shifting off the gears), one of the set screws
moved.  If it's shifting into the wrong position, it's a cable issue (or,
possibly, the deraileur got bent).  If it's getting stuck in mid-shift, and
you're having to push hard on the shift lever to get it to move, the mechanism
is binding (or the cable is getting stuck somewhere).  These are all pretty
easy to diagnose while riding, without even looking at it.


#241 of 291 by russ on Tue Sep 3 11:35:02 2002:

Re #240:  It's reluctant to shift onto the largest chainwheel.  I've
fiddled with the cable adjuster, but the problem persists.  It's hard
to tell the difference between a setscrew, bent derailleur or stretched
cable without going over it at close range.


#242 of 291 by gull on Tue Sep 3 12:52:22 2002:

I've never had a front derailleur that shifted *smoothly* onto larger
chainwheels.  I'd guess, though, that something has shifted so the
derailleur isn't moving as far in that direction.  The question is which
of those causes is the problem.  Usually front derailleurs have to move
a bit past the chainwheel to actually get the chain to shift.


#243 of 291 by clees on Tue Sep 3 20:49:10 2002:

Have you got a triple (with granny) or a double in front?
It might be that your front derailleur isn't fit for what you want.


#244 of 291 by bru on Tue Sep 3 22:56:30 2002:

someone stole my bike.  I am really ticked off.


#245 of 291 by russ on Wed Sep 4 04:29:55 2002:

It's a triple chainwheel, and it's the same derailleur that's been
on the bike since I bought it.  It may well just be dirty.


#246 of 291 by keesan on Thu Sep 5 02:03:07 2002:

Bruce, was it locked?  Today at the library we met someone who said he had
left his bike at the library (unlocked) and it was stolen.  Today he found
a bike in an alley (unlocked) and since it was still there a few hours later,
he took it.  Jim fixed the gears and brakes, etc. and will get him a lock.
In Tecumseh we were told not to bother locking our bikes.  In Ann Arbor things
are different.  

If you rig up some way to keep the rain and sun off your bikes, we would be
willing to fix you up a replacement.

Leaving a bike unlocked around Ann Arbor is not a whole lot different from
abandoning it - people assume the owner does not want it.  You cannot blame
them unless they took it from our yard (where you really also ought to lock
it to the fence or some other bike).  


#247 of 291 by bru on Thu Sep 5 02:43:28 2002:

They took it out of my back yard.  They didn't take rhiannons because it had
the flat.  I put the spare tube in it and it blew.  I bought a new tube and
it seems to be doing well.

If anyone sees a black huffy with white speckles and the name STORM on the
frame with a shiny front wheel adn rusty rear wheel and a yellow tag hanging
from the handle bars, call the A2 police.


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#249 of 291 by clees on Thu Sep 5 06:14:36 2002:

Nobody leaves his/her bike unlocked in Amsterdam.
Hey, frequently locks are more expensive than the bikes they lock. 

Estimated, any average bicycle changes ownership six times before it's 
so run down it's a wreck. The changes don't happen by sale and re sale, 
but by bicycle theft. 
Bicycle theft makes crime rates in Amsterdam appear to be very high.


#250 of 291 by keesan on Thu Sep 5 15:14:21 2002:

I am thinking we should lock our bikes in the yard together in 2s or 3s, so
nobody will ride off with them. 


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#252 of 291 by jep on Thu Sep 5 16:42:28 2002:

My bike, and the Trail a Bike, has been unlocked in the bike rack at my 
apartment complex all summer, and has been fine.  They might be getting 
a bit rusty, and I should doubtless do something about that soon, but I 
see no reason to expect they'll be stolen.


#253 of 291 by jep on Thu Sep 5 16:44:56 2002:

It was bemusing, when Jim and Sindi came to visit, that they were very 
insistent about locking up their bikes each time they got off them.  I 
do have a bike lock.  I'll remember where the keys are, someday.  Maybe.


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#255 of 291 by scott on Thu Sep 5 18:00:13 2002:

When I visited my sister in San Francisco a few years back she loaned me a
bicycle... and *two* locks.  The theory was that bike thieves only carried
tools for one kind of lock, so I was using a U-lock and a high-tech cable lock
at the same time.


#256 of 291 by keesan on Thu Sep 5 18:05:02 2002:

Some bikes around town here have the frame locked with a U-lock and then a
cable lock around both wheels.  Some people also lock their quick-release
seatposts.  Thanks for the idea about locking front-to-back, but I don't think
anyone could easily get two bikes even front to front out the narrow gate
here.  
A bike we gave the neighbor was stolen off her front porch.  She is locking
the replacement to her ladder.


#257 of 291 by scg on Thu Sep 5 22:27:55 2002:

Um, taking an unlocked bike from an alley because it's been there for a few
hours is stealing it.  Maybe if it had been there for weeks it would be a
different story, but even then going to the police to make sure it hadn't been
reported stolen would be a good idea.

Not taking proper precautions to prevent something from getting stolen perhaps
makes it getting stolen predictable, but it doesn't make stealing it ok.


#258 of 291 by polytarp on Thu Sep 5 23:10:44 2002:

I am the one who took bur's bike; and I will be holding it hostage.


#259 of 291 by mdw on Fri Sep 6 06:38:44 2002:

I think both where you're located, and the nature of the bikes, has a
lot to do with the likelyhood of it being stolen.  Right now, as
students move in, is a particularly bad time to leave anything
unattended near campus - this is prime hunting season for opportunists
hoping to capitalize on careless mistakes made by students out on their
own for the first time.


#260 of 291 by keesan on Fri Sep 6 13:56:40 2002:

We have been invited to a tomato party in Olivet, east of Bellevue, Sat. Sept.
14.  Are there any working passenger train stations in the vicinity that we
don't know about?  (I. e., does it stop in Marshall - I recall that it did
not but I may be wrong).  Marshall is only about one day's bike ride away.
Olivet is about 20 miles west/SW of Eaton Rapids.  The train tracks go through
all these places and there is even an Olivet Station near Olivet but I doubt
that there is any passenger service to it.  Olivet pop 1185.  Many of these
little towns have airports but no public transportation.  The party is in the
evening so we could take an afternoon train back the next day if it existed
and were within biking distance - may try to measure to Battle Creek in case
it is within 30 miles.  From here to Olivet looks about 80 miles so we could
conceivable make it back in two days.  Jim's housemate sometimes takes a truck
to Battle Creek on weekends.  We have biked to Paw Paw and back.  John, were
you planning by any chance to go to Eaton Rapids that Saturday?


#261 of 291 by keesan on Fri Sep 6 14:35:13 2002:

Olivet is a reasonable biking distance from Battle Creek, or Marshall, and
if we were to leave early enough, from Lansing.  Are there any grexers headed
in that general direction the 14th or even the 13th, who can take two bikes
and some camping gear and two people along?  The train to Battle Creek
(without much advanced notice - that would have cut the fare in half) is $38
1-way for two adults, but they prefer the bikes to be in boxes which is an
additional $12 per person and lots of nuisance.

There are some nasty looking numbered roads in the way between Battle Creek
and Olivet but I presume we can find some way to get around them with good
maps.  We went several miles out of our way to be able to cross 23 but there
seems to be a bridge over 69 that is not a red line.  Does anyone know that
area.  There is actually a Battle Creek (blue line).


#262 of 291 by keesan on Fri Sep 6 23:59:13 2002:

JEP very kindly offered to make a special trip to take us to Olivet but I
explained that we are trying to minimize gasoline burning, not cadge free
rides.  (We do have a motor vehicle).  We may be able to go visit some people
in Eaton Rapids some other time with the Johns.  Jim's housemate is
interested in tomatoes but has other plans.  We may actually get some work
done on the house instead of gallivanting.


#263 of 291 by keesan on Mon Sep 9 23:21:10 2002:

We may go on a second adventure after all.  Stay tuned for details.  All we
need to do first is pick lots of pears and grapes and apples, process them,
freeze a crate of greens, recycle 6 more computers, make a computer, and pack
things for camping and we have four days to do it in.  Easy.


#264 of 291 by russ on Mon Sep 9 23:21:27 2002:

Adjusting the cable on the front derailleur made it work a bit better,
but didn't fix the problem.  Oil on the joints improved it further; I
can now depend on it shifting, albeit not as quickly as I'd like.  I
believe the stop screw isn't even a factor (I couldn't see it protruding
when I looked at the bike), so it's either dirt or it's bent.  Either
way, not too hard to fix or live with.


#265 of 291 by keesan on Tue Sep 10 00:24:30 2002:

Feel free to fix my front derailleur now you are an expert.  It still takes
two arms to move it (or a stick to lift up the chain manually and move it
over).  Anyone know what might be making my front brakes really noisy?  We
could not see anything out of alignment.  Cantilever brakes.  The repair book
said some brakes are just noisy and you should get earplugs.  I feel bad using
them at night (but it does get pedestrians to move quickly out of the way).

Rain possible next weekend.  I hope they move it up a few days.  Eaton County
has the distinction of having nothing at all mentioned about it in any of the
library books about what to see in Michigan.  No big cities or state parks
or famous restaurants.  Sounds very peaceful.  Jim is getting us ready by
fixing a tape deck, a VCR and a boombox (so we will have more space to pack).
It was too hot to go outside to work on the bikes.  He should put an aluminum
front wheel on his Murray.  The seat post is too short on his better one that
already has the pannier racks - anyone have a super long seatpost?


#266 of 291 by jep on Tue Sep 10 01:13:24 2002:

There is a pretty famous restaurant outside of Eaton Rapids, though I 
can't remember the name.  Eaton County is a lot like Lenawee County; a 
mostly rural farming county.


#267 of 291 by gull on Tue Sep 10 02:23:04 2002:

Re #265: Have you tried sanding the brake shoes to break the glaze, or
getting new ones?  My brakes tend to get noisy when the pads get glazed or
the rubber hardens from age.


#268 of 291 by scg on Tue Sep 10 06:19:11 2002:

You probably need to "toe in" the brake pads.  That is, make the front of the
pad hit the rim before the back of it does.


#269 of 291 by keesan on Tue Sep 10 22:44:05 2002:

Thanks, we will try both these fixes.  Before the next trip, I hope.  I really
sound like a banshee going down hills.

I have started posting our bike trip photos at www.usol.com/~keesan/aug02.htm.
20 photos (about a third of the trip).


#270 of 291 by clees on Wed Sep 11 07:59:57 2002:

Check your site, Sindy. Nice. It seems some links (to pictures) don't 
work.
I invite you to have a look at my biking site:
http://www.godutch.myweb.nl/

Working parts are: Slide show, 'behind me'; stories on Italy 1996, 
Pyrenees 1997, Alps 2000. Under contruction are Alps 2001, M. Ventoux 
2001 and Italy 2002, and the 'front wheel' (quiting)

It's ever growing and graphic intensive.


#271 of 291 by keesan on Wed Sep 11 13:27:32 2002:

I will check out your site next time I am using a graphical browser, Clees.
I found one broken link in the Aug2002 section (to Hanni's info - I typed the
wrong URL) - which other ones were broken?  For a while I had the jpgs in the
wrong directory but they are moved now, please check again and let me know
what else does not work.  It is very slow for me to check them all with my
modem connection.  I will post more soon (today?).


#272 of 291 by keesan on Wed Sep 11 17:06:38 2002:

Clees, may I put a link to your site at mysite?  I have finished posting
and would appreciate knowing of any broken links. www.usol.com/~keesan.

Does anyone know how, using the command lines of cuteftp for DOS, I can

1.  Go back to a higher level directory?
2.  Move files between directories?

I cannot find the manual for cuteftp anywhere online.  Does grex have anything
better than the list of commands that I get when I type ? in cuteftp?

I figured out how to list local and nonlocal files, to put and get, to quit
and close, etc.  


#273 of 291 by clees on Wed Sep 11 19:42:41 2002:

Next time I am browsing I'll keep an eye to it, but it might take some 
time. As from next Saturday I'll be in your town for a week.
And of course you made add alink on your site. I' shall put a link on 
my site, then.


#274 of 291 by keesan on Wed Sep 11 19:51:14 2002:

We may miss you as we hope to go biking for a week leaving Saturday ;(
I have asked a grexer with a DSL line that he could not think of much use for
to check out my links to the photos.  Clees, do you have a place lined up to
stay while you are in Ann Arbor?  What are your plans (I have not been reading
your travel item).


#275 of 291 by clees on Thu Sep 12 06:18:30 2002:

My plans?
Heh heh, Renfest, a BBQ, there is a birthday coming up. For the rest 
Ill just see what happens. Maybe have lunch with this or that.
I'll be staying with Anne and Sylvia.


#276 of 291 by keesan on Fri Sep 13 13:31:13 2002:

Clees's site (www.godutch.myweb.nl) has links to various other people's bike
tours.  There was one cross-country US tour made by three people who posted
a long list of what they took (why do people bring shaving cream and razors
on camping trips when they are travelling light, and three tents for three
people).  This one had a map, and journal entries for all three.  Two of the
journals were blank, the third had two entries in it for the day when it
poured rain all day and the day when the kid's rear tire blew and wheel broke
and he had to wait two weeks for a replacement (before joining the group a
few hundred miles west - I get the impression they were not doing this for
transportation).  There was a more interesting bike trip by someone in D. C.
originally from Michigan, done solo, with lots of photos, and his 1995 AIDS
bikeathon with 3200 other people, 3 days Boston to NY.  He took the train
north and biked 3 days with the group (it rained, 700 gave up, they were all
issued tents and food and luggage every night) and then 3 days by himself via
hotel.  Nobody else seems to bike in circles - they all depend on cars or
trains or airplanes to get them somewhere or back from somewhere.

Nobody listed the cost of their trip just the daily miles and what they took
and what they saw.  They stayed in $10/night campgrounds with showers and ate
doughnuts.  Our trip cost nothing for the bikes except our time.  We already
had the tents and sleeping bags and bought one $61 mat (marked down from $90
because someone had returned it) and three bags of corn chips (79 cents on
sale).  I paid about $2 for maps - photocopied the library county maps.  We
paid nothing for entertainment or museum admission or campsites or hotels.
We ate once at a Milan restaurant for $4 each and JEP treated us in Tecumseh.
The other trips were all along carefully marked transcontinental or east coast
bike routes.  We hiked two days once on the Appalachian trail and they must
have been much like this.  You keep meeting the same people and everyone along
the way knows what you are doing and is bored with tourists.  

They took spare tubes and tires.  We met someone interesting in Milan when
I needed a tire.  He sells used bikes out of his yard.  They stayed in
campsites.  We stayed in a pole barn when it rained hard and met some llamas.
THey ate in restaurants.  We took along our millet and lima beans and dried
mushrooms and peanuts and cooked with people that we visited.  They bought
expensive new bikes that needed replacement parts which you had to mail order.
We got ours as 'offerings to the curb gods' and moved parts around.  They went
on paved roads.  We went on dirt and since we were the only bikers ever to
pass that way, got offers of yards to stay in and breakfast and conversation.
They went hundreds or thousands of miles from home.  Our circle had a diameter
of about 35 miles and we met a wide variety of people and did not have to be
anywhere at any particular time so changed plans often.


#277 of 291 by keesan on Fri Sep 13 18:54:02 2002:

Jim's housemate went crosscountry one year in April and May alone on his
recumbent bike.  He told us of how many people thought he looked hungry and
fed him.  One biker kept him for a few days during a snowstorm.  He was not
following any set of biking maps and headed south when he got tired of snow,
just in time to hit hot weather in Iowa instead of snow in MN.  

Time to pack our bikes for the next adventure.  Jim is looking for a bottle
for cooking oil, and the missing sheet.


#278 of 291 by iggy on Fri Sep 13 22:04:02 2002:

planning a wesson party, are you?


#279 of 291 by keesan on Sat Sep 14 02:02:15 2002:

We are nearly packed for our next adventure. This time I packed heavy wool
shirts and long pants.  Jim has a new mat cover that snaps all the way around.
Little comforts (this one weighs over a pound but keeps the mat from being
slippery and sticky) make all the difference.  We saved time by putting all
the cooking and other non-clothing gear into a box last time and the contents
just go into the panniers, along with quinoa, split peas and the other basic
foods and some clothing and bike tools.  JIm refuses to take a spare tube.
I seem to be much harder on tires than on tubes anyway.  He is deciding
whether to take a Goretex jacket (that works in light rain) or a nylon rain
cape (that does not work as a jacket but does work in the rain).


#280 of 291 by keesan on Mon Sep 16 15:53:03 2002:

Greetings from the Eaton Rapids library.  WE had a nice visit and walk around
town with the Perries (John I and Ruth) and now we know why John II was not
afraid to make bookcases.  Their house is full of professionally looking
built-ins made byJohn I.  But his mother is a great cook so he has no excuse.
He says someone had to do the eating, they could not all cook.  The town is
very pretty, withseveral parks on the Grand Ledge River, a nice library, a
Chinese-Polish-Thai restaurant, a hardware store, and lots of quiet and clean
air.  Heading south to visit someone with 120 varieties of fruit trees and
then home.


#281 of 291 by jep on Mon Sep 16 19:40:17 2002:

That's the Grand River.


#282 of 291 by jep on Mon Sep 16 20:04:20 2002:

My parents enjoyed meeting Jim and Sindi.  They thought Sindi was 
pretty inquisitive.  They thought the house they're building was 
beautiful.  They hadn't seen much in the way of digital cameras, and 
were very pleased to have the pictures of all of us for my mother's 
computer.  They used a picture of me for their computer wallpaper.

It was extremely helpful, to have Jim to help me load my dad's canoe, 
which I'm borrowing for a weekend trip with my son.  Thanks!



#283 of 291 by keesan on Sat Sep 21 15:01:13 2002:

Has nobody else been biking since last weekend?
Thanks for the instructions how to fix our squeaky brakes.  One of my front
brakes had a reverse slope (the back part hit first).  It is quiet now (except
in the rain - which we had lots of Friday coming back).  Friday is a good day
to be biking in intermittent rain because of the garage sales.  We came back
with 50 pounds on my bike and 85 on Jim's including a large electric pressure
cooker, a lightweight pan/pot/bowl/lid combination (we left them our heavy
wok), an antique voltmeter, something equally heavy that you can set to behave
like any two transistors, a large heavy drill sharpener, mouse trap, ant bait,
carpet shampoo, mink oil, two videos (these small items were at the curb after
a sale), a large bunch of files and handles.  I am waiting for Jim to weigh
all the new toys.  Also about 5 pounds of home-grown black beans, a whopper
onion.  We ate the apples along the way.  I pushed my bike up much of Newport
Rd.  Jim was carrying the toys - I was carrying the same as I was carrying
most of the trip, which he claimed was all light stuff (bedding, clothing,
a bit of food most of which had been eaten on the trip).  Me and bike came
to 195 pounds, Jim and bike to 290 pounds.  He is 50% larger but 100%
stronger.  No wonder I could not keep up and had to go first.  


#284 of 291 by bru on Sat Sep 21 20:27:22 2002:

BIKING!  LEt me tell you about what my PT indstructor is going to put 
me thru!  No.  never mind.  I'll save it for when I find out.  But it 
ain't gonna be pretty.


#285 of 291 by keesan on Sun Sep 22 00:46:01 2002:

What PT instructor?  Do you want an exercise bike?

Last trip something cut through both layers of the sidewall of my front tire.
We replaced it in Milan and the replacement is fine.  Today Jim noticed
something had worn through the first of two layers of his rear tire.  As he
was replacing his, I noticed the same had happened to mine.  What sorts of
things cut through the fibers in sidewalls?  Are we just three times unlucky?
At least it did not get to the point where the tube was bulging.

Jim is cleaning lots of sand from the bike and panniers.  Wet sand from
Hamburg south (and part of the way before that).  Kearney Rd. is continuous
potholes and they were all full of water while both sides of the road were
underwater.  Sometimes cars would slow down to pass us.  Jennings, Joy and
Stein were flat and nearly pothole free.  During rush hour all the cars were
rushing north from Ann Arbor instead of rushing south past us.  Southern
Livingston County is full of Ann Arbor people 'gone country' with horses. 
There is a Lakelands Linear State Park from Stockbridge to Pinckney which
bills itself as a biking and hiking trail with a few sections open to bikes.
It was poor quality (thick gravel) surface chewed up by horsetracks and full
of droppings.  We tried it briefly and switched to dirt road.  A local
resident said it is only used for horses and she left it and took M-36 instead
(a really bad road for biking but at least level).

At Lakeland we nearly went on M-36 but discovered that the DNR had taken over
another section of the same abandoned railway bed.  This had only one horse
dropping and no obvious tracks and about 2/3 of it was bikable.  The rest was
deep in large round stones or sand, which someone had apparently dumped from
a truck every 10-20 feet so as to produce a roller coaster effect.  Very
pretty scenery along the sides of cattails and bushes turning color.  We went
from Lakeland to Hamburg.  The other way goes to Pinckney.  

On the short section we took of the State trail we saw NO bike tracks except
for one triple track going both ways.  We eventually met up with the creature
that made it.  They are now making 'jogging' baby carriages in luxury models
that look just like the regular ones but have three large wheels.  At one
intersection with a road someone was selling tomatoes.  They were rotten. 
As we were eating our grapes she came out and pitched them all across the road
and put out fresh ones for us.  In Stockbridge there is an authentic Mexican
takeout restaurant where he uses no cans.  We bought corn chips, which we
later ate while waiting out the rain near the Huron River on the bike trail,
crouched under some sort of metal cage type thing (Jim says it is used to haul
things on railway cars) that someone had floored with screens and roofed with
a few wooden boards.  He sat under the crack on a broiler oven.  We put our
8x10' tarp over the bikes and the doorway propped up on a screen.  

The next time it started to rain we waited under a plastic awning with four
legs that was also sheltering the Hamburg Special Olympics rummage sale.  The
sale was continuing through the second annual Hamburg railway day on Saturday.
Jim got a large voltmeter and a large object that substitutes for any
transistor pair.  We at the supper we had cooked under a tarp the night
before.

The third time it started to rain, just south of Hamburg, I spotted a garage
sale sign.  We bought a very heavy drill bit sharpener and 2' level and stayed
to visit for a few hours until they closed up.  They offered us a ride home
in a truck.  We were stubborn and left at 5 in the rain.  It rained steadily
 until the Huron River, let up a few minutes as we crossed, then rained
steadily until we got home, at which point the dams burst.  So did the gutter
over my back porch (it falls down regularly).

This trip Jim could recognize poison ivy so only got some on his ankles.


#286 of 291 by keesan on Sun Sep 22 11:31:16 2002:

Lakelands trail had a few sections open to horses (I typed bikes) and was
supposed to be mainly for hiking and biking.  No fun biking in horse manure
and a surface like the craters of the moon.


#287 of 291 by russ on Sun Sep 22 14:16:03 2002:

I have been riding every few days, but just the usual exercise sprints.
They don't seem to be worth talking about.

I don't even read more than the first half-page of long screeds about road
trips.  If they come to dominate too much, I may just forget this item.


#288 of 291 by slynne on Sun Sep 22 14:50:49 2002:

...and then you'll *really* be sorry!


#289 of 291 by keesan on Sun Sep 22 18:55:54 2002:

We are hoping to make a short road trip this week to Slynne's grapes - are
they still hanging on the vine?  I need a bit more rest first.  Tuesday after
4 might be a possibility.  Jim's grapes are ripe but most of them got picked
(or knocked down by raccoons) before they could ripen.


#290 of 291 by slynne on Sun Sep 22 19:54:12 2002:

I think they are still there. I havent actually taken a walk back there 
in a few days. I'll do that tomorrow. 


#291 of 291 by albaugh on Thu Jul 22 17:21:07 2004:

Looks like Lance Armstrong is poised to win his 6th consecutive Tour de France


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