Grex Recovery Conference

Item 21: Depression 101

Entered by bhelliom on Wed Jun 26 15:29:06 2002:

39 new of 170 responses total.


#132 of 170 by bhelliom on Mon Aug 26 15:43:28 2002:

I was just curious, as you mentioned the suicides.

I agree with Brooke and John. My boss is very supportive.  I decided to 
tell him as I was concerned about job performance, and wanted to assure 
him that this was not willful on my part.  I was glad to learn that 
none of this was noticed as having an affect on my work, especially 
since I was improving at my job the entire time.  


#133 of 170 by anderyn on Mon Aug 26 20:35:13 2002:

Actually, it's kind of surprising to me that we have had so many. Because it's
such a low pressure place, with a lot of support.


#134 of 170 by bhelliom on Tue Aug 27 14:07:09 2002:

Well, I'm sure it may have made the burden somewhat easier, or at least 
one can hope.  It's good that you *do* have a supportive environment in 
which to work. 


#135 of 170 by clees on Tue Sep 3 21:01:58 2002:

Yup.
One of my colleagues recently suffered from a breakdown. She is on sick 
leave now for the time being. As I understand it she is currently 
spooked by skeletons from the past. What kind of past she hasn't hasn't 
revealed yet, but I dread it has to do with over affectionate daddies.
Although I am no therapist I sympathise with her. At least I know what 
she has been through. What complicates the whole thing is that she for 
now refuses to seek professional help. She is scared what it will 
bringto surface. It tried to explain that letting things keep on 
festering doesn't help either. Certainly as she is affected by it now.
To make things worse she has had a burglar in her house.


#136 of 170 by tod on Tue Sep 3 21:15:39 2002:

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#137 of 170 by clees on Thu Sep 5 09:12:07 2002:

I got a hint in that direction (but not in so many words) from another 
colleague, who's in closer contact with her than me.
I won't pry.


#138 of 170 by tod on Thu Sep 5 16:13:09 2002:

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#139 of 170 by clees on Thu Sep 5 22:02:38 2002:

I did. Also because it helped me so much.


#140 of 170 by jep on Thu Sep 5 23:33:54 2002:

Today I had my first EMDR session.  EMDR is Eye Movement 
Desensitization and Reprocessing; it's a technique for alleviating bad 
feelings about yourself by "reprocessing" them, thinking them through a 
different way and then feeling better about them.

Though it's called "Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing", my 
therapist does not use anything that requires one to move his eyes.  He 
had me put on speakers and hold onto a vibrating buzzer gizmo (with one 
part in each hand), then go through some of the details of my divorce.  
The divorce is what's got me depressed.  At intervals of a minute or 
so, he'd stop and ask me what I was thinking about, then we'd go on.  
It was pretty intensely emotional for me.  You'll have to forgive me if 
I don't go into details right now.  The idea was to shift some of the 
ideas around some in my brain, or something.  I'm not too familiar with 
the theory, but it's supposed to provide permanent relief from the 
stuff that's being reprocessed.

I'm going to continue doing this at times for a while.  Right now I 
don't have much of an opinion on whether it did any good.  I can say, 
it was a very difficult session in therapy.


#141 of 170 by tod on Thu Sep 5 23:56:56 2002:

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#142 of 170 by jep on Fri Sep 6 01:41:05 2002:

I appreciate the kind thought, Todd, but it wasn't huge.  It was just 
difficult.


#143 of 170 by tod on Fri Sep 6 16:43:35 2002:

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#144 of 170 by jep on Fri Sep 6 18:31:46 2002:

Well, I appreciate the kind thoughts.  Thank you!

I don't know if I just burned out during yesterday's session in 
therapy, or made some real progress because of the EMDR, but I feel 
enormously better today than I did yesterday.  I have been burning with 
anger for over a week now, but not today.  That's quite a relief.


#145 of 170 by bhelliom on Mon Sep 9 19:54:25 2002:

Well, about two weeks after the lapse of the Welbutrin due to errors not 
my own, I'm feeling better.  I was secretly hoping that there'd be no 
change in mood and that we could reevaluate it, since Wellbutrin is such 
a mild antidepressant and I also have Celexa.    It's an amazing thing, 
to realize how I had felt/could have felt like without it.  Okay, so 
meds aren't the cure-all, but for now, it's definitely proving 
beneficial.  I'm glad that I actually feel like coming up with things to 
do to get back in shape.  It means to me that I have recovered some 
motivation.  I can't wait to try out my new in-line skates.  


#146 of 170 by clees on Tue Sep 10 06:13:54 2002:

Take care, girl! (hugs)


#147 of 170 by bhelliom on Wed Sep 11 16:52:03 2002:

I may have to exchange the blades for a pair a half-size larger, but I 
did venture out and try them yesterday.


#148 of 170 by lynne on Wed Sep 11 19:33:41 2002:

I've noticed gently varying responses to missing doses of Zoloft.  Sometimes
I'm having a good day and can miss a day without enormous repercussions, but
far more usually I start getting extremely depressed.  Sometimes the 
depression has a relevant and believable cause, sometimes I catch myself
making mountains out of molehills to have something to be depressed about.
It's sort of a nasty cycle.  But there is a very marked effect to missing
doses.  I think next time I see the psychiatrist I'll ask about future plans.
Have other people who are still reading this item ever gone off Zoloft?  Were
there side effects?  What was the trigger that made you decide to stop 
taking it?


#149 of 170 by slynne on Wed Sep 11 21:27:57 2002:

I was on Zoloft for 6 months once. It really helped me. Interestingly, 
when I stopped taking it, I didnt get depressed again. I had no bad 
side effects from stopping it. In fact, it was nice to finally get rid 
of the weird side effects the drug had. 



#150 of 170 by lynne on Wed Sep 11 21:57:07 2002:

May I ask what side effects?  I haven't really noticed many.  Did they
phase you out/decrease your dosage, or just stop cold turkey?


#151 of 170 by orinoco on Thu Sep 12 01:57:52 2002:

I had a similar experience with Effexor -- a noticeable effect when I started,
but not much by way of "withdrawl symptoms" when I stopped.  I've been told
that's just because it takes a long time to get out of your system, but I
think it was also that I stopped taking it at a time when I was stable enough
to stay cheery on my own for a while.


#152 of 170 by jep on Thu Sep 12 13:38:49 2002:

I'm taking Zoloft and have been for about 7 months now.  I see my 
psychiatrist in a couple of weeks, and am expecting him to tell me to 
stay on it for another few months.  My therapist tells me I will not go 
back to being as depressed as I was when I started taking it, but I 
can't just quit taking it; I have to go through whatever their method 
is for stopping.  I intend to do that.

I've had one noticeable side effect; I've had almost no sexual desire 
for the entire time I've been taking it.  I hadn't had any plans to 
have an active sex life anyway, but it's pretty weird to go for a week 
or two at a time without a single lustful thought.  I have self-image 
problems anyway, and this contributes somewhat to them.

Zoloft can have other side effects as well, such as dizziness, 
increased appetite (which may well come from getting past the 
depression itself), lack of sleep, and headaches.


#153 of 170 by jep on Thu Sep 12 13:40:30 2002:

If you want the worst possible view of Zoloft, here's a site that says 
it causes sucide, aggression, hypertension, is addictive, and has other 
side effects I haven't read about:

http://www.zoloft-side-effects-lawyer.com/default.htm


#154 of 170 by slynne on Thu Sep 12 13:55:22 2002:

The side effects I had on Zoloft were:
decreased appetite (ok, I liked this one!)
no sex drive at all
blurred vision 

I went off Zoloft kind of by accident. I had a Rx for 6 months. I 
forgot to make my follow up appointment in time so I ran out of the 
Zoloft about a month before I could get into see the doctor. By the 
time I saw her, I had been off it for a while with no ill effects. I 
just stopped taking it and had no ill effects from that. 




#155 of 170 by lynne on Thu Sep 12 15:15:32 2002:

True on the decreased sex drive.  That's actually not a bad thing; with Don
across the country and potential temptation upstairs it's kind of a plus.
However, I'm definitely still capable of responding; just less likely to
initiate and don't miss it as much.  I'm not really noticing any appetite
effects.  My weight has changed slightly but this is due to it being off-
season for hockey more than anything else.


#156 of 170 by jep on Thu Sep 12 15:41:54 2002:

It's interesting that 3 of us in a row had a lack of sex drive while on 
Zoloft.  I had understood that to be uncommon, and not usually that 
severe.  I thought I was far outside the norm with that one.

It's a personal topic, but thanks for letting me know it happened to 
you as well.



#157 of 170 by slynne on Thu Sep 12 17:04:41 2002:

It was great. For 6 whole months I didnt wake up in some strange man's 
bed even once ;)


#158 of 170 by edina on Thu Sep 12 17:55:23 2002:

Slynne - the secret is to get up and go home to your own bed.


#159 of 170 by slynne on Thu Sep 12 18:11:15 2002:

That wont solve my problem of waking up in some strange woman's bed 
though! Sheesh, that happens *all* the time. 


#160 of 170 by lynne on Thu Sep 12 18:26:01 2002:

Get up and go home to your own couch?  ;)


#161 of 170 by slynne on Thu Sep 12 18:31:17 2002:

Finally, a solution!


#162 of 170 by bhelliom on Thu Sep 12 19:24:34 2002:

I haven't noticed a decreased sex drive with either the Celexa or 
Welbutrin.  Then again, this is probably because I've never had  
a "normal" sex drive to begin with.  The more I am working on this, the 
more I realize I'm more buried than I thought. Ah, well, here's to 
progress!

Strange man's bed . . .  How does this work exactly?  I usually found 
out the guy's name first before I fell asleep. ;)


#163 of 170 by slynne on Thu Sep 12 20:41:27 2002:

Just because you know his name, it doesnt mean the guy's not strange 


#164 of 170 by lynne on Thu Sep 12 21:36:38 2002:

I've never woken up in a bed belonging to a person who wasn't strange. :)


#165 of 170 by clees on Fri Sep 13 06:15:40 2002:

I wake up in a strange man's bed every single day! Try to beat that, 
haha.


#166 of 170 by cmcgee on Fri Sep 13 07:00:24 2002:

Never sleep with someone crazier than you are.  That makes waking up
better, even if he or she is strange.


#167 of 170 by edina on Fri Sep 13 14:23:04 2002:

Oh, I don't know - waking up with a strange man in your bed has it's rewards
- if you do it right.


#168 of 170 by lynne on Fri Sep 13 14:50:09 2002:

<delayed smug glowy grin>


#169 of 170 by edina on Fri Sep 13 18:10:12 2002:

<hi fives lynne>


#170 of 170 by lumen on Sun Aug 7 12:33:47 2005:

resp:162 Wellbutrin is working okay for me, but it's pretty much the
only one I can take (SSRIs usually produce bad upswings)


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