Grex Poetry Conference

Item 245: The Spring Mysterious Quote item

Entered by scott on Fri Mar 23 17:36:11 2001:

176 new of 215 responses total.


#40 of 215 by johnnie on Wed Mar 28 15:47:14 2001:

Oh, and howzabout a small clue, of sorts:  I've read that the author in 
question was the highest-paid writer in the world during the 1930s.


#41 of 215 by slynne on Wed Mar 28 16:42:48 2001:

W. Somerset Maugham


#42 of 215 by brighn on Wed Mar 28 17:32:01 2001:

Hmph. Now how am I supposed to taunt people unnoticedly?
 
Oh yeah, by net searching the next quote. >=}
 


#43 of 215 by brighn on Wed Mar 28 17:34:04 2001:

Incidentally, the phrase I did a Yahoo search on was "stomach the heartiness"
(in quotes. I figured there weren't an awful lots of writers who would use
such phraseology, turns out I was right. Heh.


#44 of 215 by johnnie on Thu Mar 29 00:30:56 2001:

W.S.M. (#41) is correct.  Congratulations.


#45 of 215 by slynne on Thu Mar 29 19:11:38 2001:

Ok, here is my quote: 

    I was in the dark. Or at least in semidarkness. I always worked best 
when the light in the booth was dim. So I was in this half-lit makeshift 
booth, in the semidarkness except for a blue glow from my tiny reading 
lamp. In the semidarkness, in the makeshift booth in the gray conference 
hall on Lexington Avenue in New York City.
    My colleague that day was a spotty Liverpudlian who had once put his 
hand on my thigh while I was in the middle of a piece of simultaneous 
translation. I had shifted my position and carried on translating from 
French to English, spouting forth about the size and hue of tomatoes, 
and managed after that to avoid his gaze for months. Other female 
interpreters had reacted more aggressively to his clammy paws and had 
complained to the International Interpreters' Association, but I had 
said nothing. These days, for fear of being struck off he picked at his 
skin and his cuticles rather than seeking out the thighs of his 
colleagues. 


#46 of 215 by happyboy on Thu Mar 29 19:35:15 2001:

"My Life as a Whore" by Martha Stewart?


#47 of 215 by slynne on Thu Mar 29 20:43:10 2001:

nope. This book was written by a woman though. 


#48 of 215 by brighn on Thu Mar 29 21:08:59 2001:

Hmph, my meager net search failed... ah well, y'all will have to suss this
out on your own.
 
Just for kicks... Toni Morrisson?
(Hey, I've got a better chance than happyboy =} )


#49 of 215 by slynne on Thu Mar 29 21:21:11 2001:

I picked a book published just last month. 


#50 of 215 by remmers on Thu Mar 29 22:05:03 2001:

Random guess: Joyce Carol Oates.  (She seems to publish a new
book every month or so.  ;-)


#51 of 215 by arianna on Fri Mar 30 04:06:22 2001:

re resp 25:  Russ, please direct yourself to item 4, poetry1.


#52 of 215 by brighn on Fri Mar 30 04:50:04 2001:

Hmmm... the only real candidate at Amazon is Fielding; the subject matter
doesn't seem right though.


#53 of 215 by slynne on Sun Apr 1 13:54:58 2001:

Ok, here is another clue especially for the web searchers out there.  
There is a big hint about the title of this book in the quote I posted. 


#54 of 215 by slynne on Wed Apr 4 14:47:22 2001:

Ok, I guess this is too hard. I'll give the answer and post something 
from a different author tomorrow. 


#55 of 215 by remmers on Sat Apr 7 15:13:26 2001:

Yoo hoo, Ms Fremont - new quote, or hint, or something?


#56 of 215 by slynne on Sat Apr 7 18:07:52 2001:

ooops. I am going to go with a more well known author. ok, here goes:

    During the sixties, my father was the perfect hippie, since all the 
hippies were trying to be Indians. Because of that, how could anyone 
recognize that my father was tyring to make a social statement?
    But there is evidence, a photograph of my father demonstrating in 
Spokane, Washington, during the Vietnam war. The photograph made it onto 
the wire service and was reprinted in newspapers throughout the country, 
in fact, it was on the cover of Time.
    In the photograph, my father is dressed in bell-bottoms and flowered 
shirt, his hair in braids, with red peace symbols splashed across his 
face like war paint. In his hands my father holds a rifle above his 
head, captured in that moment just before he proceeded to beat the shit 
out of the National Guard private lying prone on the ground. A fellow 
demonstrator holds a sign that is just barely visible over my father's 
left shoulder. It read MAKE LOVE NOT WAR.


#57 of 215 by remmers on Sat Apr 7 21:39:04 2001:

(Hm, I'll have to think about that one.  Who was the first
author you gave, by the way?)


#58 of 215 by oddie on Sat Apr 7 21:46:20 2001:

Sherman Alexie? (the newer one that is)


#59 of 215 by happyboy on Sat Apr 7 22:10:04 2001:

jesus that sounded familiar


#60 of 215 by slynne on Sun Apr 8 04:32:43 2001:

The first author was Suzanne Glass. The book was _Interpreter: A Novel_
I tried to pick a passage that would hint at the title. Oh well, I had 
never heard of her either before I picked up her book at work.

oddie has correctly guessed Sherman Alexie. That quote was from a short 
story called "Because My Father Always Said He Was the Only Indian Who 
Saw Jimi Hendrix Play 'The Star-Spangled Banner' at Woodstock." which is 
found in the collection of short stories entitled, _The Lone Ranger and 
Tonto Fist Fight in Heaven_.



#61 of 215 by ignatz on Sun Apr 8 04:37:31 2001:

ok, i haven't been on in a while to read what people thought of my 
correcting the idea of quote vs paragraph. but it was more on the 
thoughts, that this being a "poetry conference" that these would be 
single line to double line quotes, obscure of course, from poems. not 
paragraphs, not whole stanzas then. 
a quote would be...
"Life for me ain't been no crystal stair" 
        -Mother to Son :by Langston Hughes
not...

"By glow of the tail light i stumbled back of the car
and stood by the heap, a doe, a recent killing;
she had stiffened already, almost cold.
i dragged her off; she was large in the belly."
           -Traveling through the Dark :by William Stafford

and leave out normal fiction or non-fiction arts, if they are not in 
fact poetry. that's my opinion in this matter. this is poetry. let's 
have fun with poetry, ok?


#62 of 215 by gelinas on Sun Apr 8 04:52:40 2001:

No, this is books, so let's have fun with books.

Actually, this item is in BOTH conferences.  So it is going to have some
characteristics (and characters ;) of both.


#63 of 215 by carson on Sun Apr 8 04:52:46 2001:

(poor Erinn.)  :^)


#64 of 215 by brighn on Sun Apr 8 05:28:05 2001:

#61> I'd agree with you if this weren't the only live item in this conference.
Until Poetry picks up, let it be.


#65 of 215 by rcurl on Sun Apr 8 06:37:46 2001:

ignatz, in the header for this item there is the expression (linked item).
This means that a conference fairwitness has brought the item into
their conference. I know that this item, on mysterious quotes, is now
linked between three conferenves - agora, books, and poetry ... and it
*might* be linked with many more, if people using other conferences
wish it. Therefore, one gets a rather eclectic group of participants 
in linked items. 

Historically, the Mysterious Quote began in agora a long time ago,
and the presumption was that a "quote" was any exact transcription of
any length from any writing. 


#66 of 215 by flem on Sun Apr 8 23:26:25 2001:

*Actually*, this is in the agora conf, so let's have fun drifting about random
crap.  ;)


#67 of 215 by ignatz on Tue Apr 10 04:11:09 2001:

well i'm finding it under the poetry conf, so if you've got it linked 
through alot of stuff, then... "oops, my bad."
enjoy your drifting...


#68 of 215 by carson on Tue Apr 10 04:26:07 2001:

(musta missed the series of "linked to/from" right before your
first post about quoting.)  :I


#69 of 215 by ignatz on Tue Apr 10 04:44:11 2001:

oh well...


#70 of 215 by rcurl on Tue Apr 10 18:00:21 2001:

It might help for linkers to post a response stating what was linked
to what, after they do it. I don't recall that being done in this case,
though it may have been, but I have noticed other links being created
with no announcement.


#71 of 215 by carson on Tue Apr 10 20:43:05 2001:

resp:70

(resp:12 resp:13 resp:14 ... and you started it.)  :P


#72 of 215 by ignatz on Wed Apr 11 04:13:22 2001:

ok, well yes i must have glossed over those... so it seems that i owe 
an apology people holding this quote thingy.
however i still am going to argue the "quote" misconception.

 """ the presumption was that a "quote" was any exact transcription of
any length from any writing. """ 

due to the fact that if a quote is an exact transcription of any 
length, than a whole book, in theory, is a quote about itself. 
this can not be however. look up in a thesaurus, and the word quote is 
described in the following:
cite;excerpot;evaluate;review;price;rate;charge.

now, price;rat and charge have little or nothing to do with literature. 
this is all for money concepts of the world. 

but cite and excerpt are usually defined as (cite) refering to a 
source, and (excerpt) a slight selection of. 

evaluate can not mean quote here either, due to everyone having own 
opinions about issues. such as my issue on the "quote" thing.

review, well this also is close to evaluate, however saying 'boy 
watched dog run' would be a good review of "See Spot Run." and thus we 
would have a differnt kind of game here.

the only time i think necessary to quote a whole paragraph would be 
when someone is quoting spoken word. 
i think of quote as a movie quote. a single to double sentenced line of 
words or actions. but to make it any longer than that, would be only to 
make things easier to figure out. but hey, that's my opinion. you don't 
have to listen to it, think it over and possibly alter your rules, or 
not. but i was once told, that if you never make yourself heard, then 
no one will know what to think of you, for good or for bad. 
do with it what you will. and again, i apologize for any incovience 
i've been, and from here on out, i shall remain silent. (unless any one 
feels i shouldn't be silent.)       -ignatz_zwakh
                                          2071
                                         






#73 of 215 by rcurl on Wed Apr 11 05:48:29 2001:

A thesaurus is not a dictionary. 

That's his opinion (as he says). 

I guess I should have inserted the word "selection" in my definition. Still,
if someone wants to quote the *whole text* of something someone has
written, then it is still a quote. The real significance of a "quote"
is that it is an exact transcription, as opposed to a paraphrase or
an abridgement (or, elaboration). 

When all else fails, we turn to the dictionary:

"quote  noun  A quotation"    (Aha! Now we are getting somewhere!)

"quotation  noun  A passage from a book or writing, cited or adduced."

(Now we need to know what a passage is.......)

"passage  noun  A separate portion of a discourse, treatise, or writing: a
clause, verse, paragraph, or similar division"

(That does seem to narrow it down to less than the whole work, but what
is a "similar division"? A chapter? A book?)

Then, there is common usage. Here it means - a passage of any length that
is tolerable to the participants in The Mysterious Quote.


#74 of 215 by carson on Wed Apr 11 08:47:40 2001:

<carson wonders if oddie has a new quote>


#75 of 215 by oddie on Wed Apr 11 11:11:35 2001:

All right... I suspect that this is much too familiar to be a good quote for
the game, but what the hell...


I'm not saying I will, but I could go on for hours escorting the reader--
forcibly, if necessary--back and forth across the Paris-Chinese border. I
happen to regard the Laughing Man as some kind of super-distinguished ancestor
of mine--a sort of Robert E. Lee, say, with the ascribed virtues held under
water or blood. And this illusion is only a moderate one compared to the one
I had in 1928, when I regarded myself not only as the Laughing Man's direct
descendant but as his only legitimate living one. I was not even my parents'
son in 1928 but a devilishly smooth impostor, awaiting their slightest blunder
as an excuse to move in--preferably without violence, but not necessarily--to
assert my true identity. As a precaution against breaking my bogus mother's
heart, I planned to take her into my underworld employ in some undefined byt
appropriately regal capacity. But the *main* thing I had to do in 1928 was
watch my step. Play along with the farce. Brush my teeth. Comb my hair. At
all costs, stifle my natural hideous laughter.


#76 of 215 by brighn on Wed Apr 11 13:47:28 2001:

Give it up, Ignatz, you're alone in this argument, and you're wrong.
"Excerpt" has "slight" in its meaning as much as "quote" does: It doesn't.
In fact, many magazines run "excerpts" of novels -- calling them that -- that
generally constitute whole chapters, or chapter-length amounts.


#77 of 215 by orinoco on Wed Apr 11 16:05:58 2001:

That first sentence couldn't be anyone but Salinger, could it?  I'm gonna
guess that this is one of the Nine Stories that I've forgotten about.


#78 of 215 by oddie on Wed Apr 11 20:01:18 2001:

bugger, I knew it was too easy. :-) Yes, it's "The Laughing Man," one of the
less bizarre of the Nine Stories. Next time I'll have to find something more
obscure. your turn...


#79 of 215 by orinoco on Wed Apr 11 21:45:51 2001:

It would be unjust, however, to represent his interest in Mrs. A as a matter
of calculation.  It was as instinctive as love, and it missed being love by
just such a hair-breadth deflection from the line of beauty as had determined
the curve of Mrs. A's lips.  When they met she had just published her first
novel, and G, who after ward had an ambitious man's impatience of
distinguished women, was young enough to be dazzled by the semi-publicity it
gave her.  It was the kind of book that makes elderly ladies lower their
voices and call each other "my dear" when they furtively discuss it; and G
exulted in the superior knowledge of the world that enabled him to take as
a matter of course sentiments over which the university shook its head.


#80 of 215 by sekari on Sun Apr 15 08:47:08 2001:

sounds vaguely like Collete


#81 of 215 by orinoco on Sun Apr 15 18:55:58 2001:

Nope.


#82 of 215 by orinoco on Fri Apr 20 15:49:24 2001:

Looks like it's time for some prodding.  I'll have a hint or a second quote
this evening.


#83 of 215 by orinoco on Sat Apr 21 17:48:39 2001:

Here's another quote, from a bit of a better-known work:

The first thing that passed was the long look they exchanged: searching on
his part, tender, sad, undefinable on hers.  As the result of it he said:
"Why, then, did you consent to the divorce?"
"To get the boy back," she answered instantly; and while he sat stunned by
the unexpectedness of the retort, she went on: "Is it possible you never
suspected?  It has been our whole thought from the first.  Everything was
planned with that object."
He drew a sharp breath of alarm.  "But the divorce -- how could that give him
back to you?"
"It was the only thing that could.  We trembled lest the idea should occur
to you.  But we were reasonably safe, for there has only been one other case
of the same kind before the courts."  She leaned back, the sight of his
perplexity checking her quick rush of words.  "You didn't know," she began
again, "that in that case, on the remarriage of the mother, the courts
instantly restored the child to the father, though he had -- well, given as
much cause for divorce as my unfortunate brother?"
D. gave an ironic laugh.  "Your French justice takes a grammar and a
dictionary to understand."
She smiled.  "_We_ understand it -- and it isn't necessary that you should."

Both quotes have been from novellas by this author, whose more famous novels
I've never actually gotten around to reading.


#84 of 215 by remmers on Mon Apr 30 22:04:36 2001:

(I don't think people know this...)


#85 of 215 by orinoco on Tue May 1 03:24:17 2001:

I'm noticing that.

More hints, or should I just hand the floor to someone else?


#86 of 215 by remmers on Tue May 1 10:14:03 2001:

I'd go for hints before giving up.


#87 of 215 by orinoco on Wed May 2 18:50:59 2001:

Um.  Okay.  This is from an author who grew up fabulously wealthy in New
York. She took up writing on her doctor's advice, to relieve the stress of
her marriage. Apparently it didn't work, since she moved to France to
escape from her husband, eventually got a divorce, and kept on writing,
eventually making a name for herself as a novelist.



#88 of 215 by lynne on Wed May 2 19:09:00 2001:

Edith Wharton?


#89 of 215 by orinoco on Sat May 5 01:25:31 2001:

Ding!  Thank you!


#90 of 215 by lynne on Sat May 5 17:15:07 2001:

cool!  I've never gotten one right before.  will have to go find something
quoteable now, huh?


#91 of 215 by remmers on Sat May 5 22:59:51 2001:

That's the concept, yes.


#92 of 215 by lynne on Mon May 7 20:49:52 2001:

okey...sorry about the delay.  could've sworn I had this book lying around;
as it is I had to go look up the quote I wanted:
"But the author of *Primrose Dalliance* said that with the Book of the Moment
crows, what counted was Personal Pull--surely they remembered that Hepplewater
had married Walter Strawberry's latest wife's sister.  The author of *Jocund
Day* agreed about the PUll, but though that in this instance it was political,
because there was some powerful anti-Fascist propaganda in *Mock Turtle* and
it was well known that you could always get old Sneep Fortescue with a good
smack at the Blackshirts.
"'But what's *Mock Turtle* about?' inquired Harriet.  On this point, the 
authors were for the most part vague; but a young man who wrote humorous 
magazine stories and could therefore afford to be wide-minded about novels,
said he had read it and thought it rather interesting, only a bit long.  It
was about a swimming instructor at a watering-place, who had contracted such
an unfortunate anti-nudity complex through watching so many bathing-beauties
that it completely inhibited all his natural emotions.  So he got a job on
a whaler and fell in love at first sight with an Eskimo, because she was such
a beautiful bundle of garments.  So he married her and brought her back to 
live in a suburb, where she fell in love with a vegetarian nudist.  So the 
husband went slightly mad and contracted a complex about giant turtles, and
spent all his spare time staring into the turtle-tank at the Aquarium, and 
watching the strange, slow monsters swimming significantly round in their
encasing shells.  But of course a lot of things come into it-it was one of
those books that reflect the author's reactions to Things in General.
Altogether, significant was, he thought, the word to describe it. Harriet began
to feel that there might be something to be said even for the plot of *Death
'twixt Wind and Water.*  It was, at least, significant of  nothing in
particular."


#93 of 215 by davel on Tue May 8 12:49:47 2001:

Dorothy L. Sayers!


#94 of 215 by davel on Tue May 8 12:50:48 2001:

(I believe that the quote is from _Gaudy_Night_, for what it's worth.)


#95 of 215 by lynne on Tue May 8 14:44:01 2001:

right on both counts! (hmph.  didn't think it was *that* easy.) <shrug>


#96 of 215 by aruba on Tue May 8 19:55:49 2001:

Ack.  And I actually quoted from that same book in the mystery quote before,
but I didn't remember anything about nudist vegetarians.  You'd think that
would stick in my mind.


#97 of 215 by sekari on Tue May 8 21:06:55 2001:

I thought it sounded vaguely like dorothy sayers, but for some reason that
seemed too obvious of a choice. 


#98 of 215 by davel on Wed May 9 12:43:30 2001:

Well, I'm pretty familiar with the book (though it's probably been a decade
since I last read it).  I have to admit that for the first bit I was muttering
"I *know* this quote, but who is it?" ... until about the time the name
"Harriet" appeared; I was getting it, but the name confirmed it.

A quote should appear in due course.  I don't have anything suitable at hand.


#99 of 215 by lynne on Wed May 9 14:52:53 2001:

It *is* an excellent book quotewise.  Very little of what I read these days
is suitable for quoting:  either too trite or too well-known.  (Or too 
esoteric except that eeyore, flem, or swa is certain to recognize it, which
defeats the whole purpose, eh?)


#100 of 215 by davel on Thu May 10 23:42:17 2001:

OK, here's the next quote.  You may not be surprised to learn that it was
suggested, by association, by the last one.  But the author is different -
and, I think, the parody more specifically pointed.

             "Please permit me a slight digression.  At College we
        have a flourishing Musical Society, which in recent years has
        grown in numbers to such an extent that it can now tackle the
        less monumental symphonies.  In the year of which I speak, it
        was embarking on a very ambitious enterprise.  It was going to
        produce a new opera, a work by a talented young composer whose
        name it would not be fair to mention, since it is now well-known
        to you all.  Let us call him Edward England.  I've forgotten the
        title of the work, but it was one of these stark dramas of tragic
        love which, for some reason I've never been able to understand,
        are supposed to be less ridiculous with a musical accompaniment
        than without.  No doubt a good deal depends on the music.
             "I can still remember reading the synopsis while waiting
        for the curtain to go up, and to this day have never been able
        to decide whether the libretto was meant seriously or not.
        Let's see--the period was the late Victorian era, and the
        main characters were Sarah Stampe, the passionate postmistress,
        Walter Partridge, the saturnine gamekeeper, and the squire's son,
        whose name I forget.  It's the old story of the eternal triangle,
        complicated by the villager's resentment of change--in this case,
        the new telegraph system, which the local crones predict will Do
        Things to the cows' milk and cause trouble at lambing time.
             "Ignoring the frills, it's the usual drama of operatic
        jealousy.  The squire's son doesn't want to marry into the Post
        Office, and the gamekeeper, maddened by his rejection, plots
        revenge.  The tragedy rises to its dreadful climax when poor Sarah,
        strangled with parcel tape, is found hidden in a mailbag in the
        Dead Letter Department.  The villagers hang Partridge from the
        nearest telegraph pole, much to the annoyance of the linesmen.
        He was supposed to sing an aria while he was being hung: _that_
        is one thing I regret missing.  The squire's son takes to drink,
        or the Colonies, or both: and that's that.
             "I'm sure you're wondering where all this is leading: please
        bear with me for a moment longer.  The fact is that while this
        synthetic jealousy was being rehearsed, the real thing was going
        on back-stage.  Fenton's friend Kendall had been spurned by the
        young lady who was to play Sarah Stampe.  I don't think he was a
        particularly vindictive person, but he saw an opportunity for a
        unique revenge.  Let us be frank and admit that college life _does_
        breed a certain irresponsibility--and in identical circumstances,
        how many of us would have rejected the same chance?
             "I see the dawning comprehension on your faces.  But we,
        the audience, had no suspicion when the overture started on that
        memorable day.  It was a most distinguished gathering: everyone
        was there, from the Chancellor downwards.  Deans and professors
        were two a penny: I never did discover how so many people had
        been bullied into coming.  Now that I come to think of it,
        I can't remember what I was doing there myself.
             "The overture died away amid cheers, and, I must admit,
        occasional cat-calls from the more boisterous members of the
        audience.  Perhaps I do them an injustice: they may have been
        the more musical ones.

(The quotation marks are in the original, as this is not narration but
a character's speech.  There is no close quote because I did not reach
the end of the embedded quotation.)


#101 of 215 by brighn on Thu May 10 23:44:31 2001:

Utterly wild guess, almost certainly wrong: Evelyn Waugh


#102 of 215 by i on Fri May 11 00:09:07 2001:

Arthur C. Clark, _Silence Please_, (c)1954
Collected in _Tales from the "White Hart"_


#103 of 215 by aruba on Fri May 11 01:53:27 2001:

Darn, Walter beat me by 2 hours.


#104 of 215 by davel on Fri May 11 10:19:52 2001:

Clarke (not Clark) is correct.  Waugh is not.


#105 of 215 by brighn on Fri May 11 13:58:28 2001:

It sounds more like Waugh than Clarke... Clarke is usually dry.


#106 of 215 by aquarum on Fri May 11 16:06:55 2001:

I may have to go track that down now, just to hear the end of the story...


#107 of 215 by gelinas on Fri May 11 16:54:46 2001:

I've enjoyed the tales from the White Hart, but I didn't recognise that one.
I guess it's time to read them again. :)


#108 of 215 by aruba on Fri May 11 18:36:04 2001:

Re #15: Paul - Tales from the White Hart is Clarke's explicit attempt to mix
scifi with humor.  Every story is a tale told in a bar about some dubious
scientific achievement.


#109 of 215 by brighn on Fri May 11 18:41:46 2001:

Joseph posted #15, way back in March, and it nothing at all to do with Clarke.
;}

I may check it out. When I was a Fine Young Lad and read dry sci-fi, Clarke
was on my regular reading list (as were Asimov, Heinlein, and Bradbury, not
all of whom are dry all the time). Then I became an Angry Young Man and
immersed myself in the works of Waugh, Parker, and Huxley. From Rama to Gaza
in a handful of years.


#110 of 215 by gelinas on Sat May 12 00:42:41 2001:

{I forgot to change my name here, didn't I?  Most folks call me "Joe."}


#111 of 215 by brighn on Sat May 12 02:52:47 2001:

(Where you goin' with that gun in your hand?)


#112 of 215 by i on Sat May 12 11:36:04 2001:

(s lark/larke/? - drat!)
I've got a long weekend of family stuff coming up & may or may not manage
to log in.  Could someone who hasn't been up in a while take this and enter
a quote?


#113 of 215 by carson on Sat May 12 18:14:22 2001:

(if no one minds, I'd like to post the next quote.)


#114 of 215 by aruba on Sat May 12 18:22:47 2001:

Go for it.


#115 of 215 by carson on Sat May 12 18:23:49 2001:

   The next morning he almost didn't get up at the sound of the pickup.
He could feel, even before he came fully awake, how tired he still was.
But May Belle was grinning at him, propped up on one elbow.  "Ain't 'cha
gonna run?" she asked.
   "No," he said, shoving the sheet away.  "I'm gonna fly."
   Because he was more tired than usual, he had to push himself harder.
He pretended that Wayne Pettis was there, just ahead of him, and he had to
keep up.  His feet pounded the uneven ground, and he thrashed his arms
harder and harder.  He'd catch him.  "Watch out, Wayne Pettis," he said
between his teeth.  "I'll get you.  You can't beat me."
   "If you're so afraid of the cow," the voice said, "why don't you just
climb the fence?"
   He paused in midair like a stop-action TV shot and turned, almost
losing his balance, to face the questioner, who was sitting on the fence
nearest the old Perkins place, dangling bare brown legs.  The person had
jaggedy brown hair cut close to its face and wore one of those blue
undershirtlike tops with faded jeans cut off above the knees.  He couldn't
honestly tell whether it was a girl or a boy.
   "Hi," he or she said, jerking his or her head toward the Perkins place.
"We just moved in."

---

(have at it.)


#116 of 215 by slynne on Sun May 13 17:00:18 2001:

Heh. I thought I might have read this book and I have but since I had to 
do a web search to remember the title and author's name, I wont answer 
this time :)


#117 of 215 by carson on Sun May 13 18:36:26 2001:

(uh oh.)  :^)


#118 of 215 by davel on Mon May 14 12:26:43 2001:

Hmmm.  Zenna Henderson?         8-{)]


#119 of 215 by carson on Mon May 14 15:37:17 2001:

(not Zenna Henderson.  the author is fairly prolific, but this is an
excerpt from one of the author's better-known works.  I'll work up
another passage from the book tomorrow if no one has guessed by then.)


#120 of 215 by aquarum on Tue May 15 03:33:50 2001:

Katherine Patterson.  _Bridge to Terebithia_
Damned fine book.  (Even if I'm wrong.)


#121 of 215 by carson on Tue May 15 03:52:04 2001:

(you are right, Rebecca!  you're up!)


#122 of 215 by aquarum on Tue May 15 04:20:56 2001:

(I'm going to have to think about this.  I have a very strong impulse to quote
one author in particular, but I think that'd be far too easy, and besides that
individual is too much in people's minds just now.  Mmmm...  Tomorrow...)


#123 of 215 by davel on Tue May 15 12:28:55 2001:

(Why are we whispering?)


#124 of 215 by mooncat on Tue May 15 12:32:57 2001:

(re 122- Douglas Adams?)


#125 of 215 by brighn on Tue May 15 13:20:11 2001:

(124 - No, Perry Como)


#126 of 215 by mooncat on Tue May 15 14:07:17 2001:

(re 125- he's not on my mind...)


#127 of 215 by lynne on Tue May 15 14:30:13 2001:

damn!  that book actually occurred to me.  no idea why i didn't guess.


#128 of 215 by orinoco on Tue May 15 16:06:14 2001:

Oh, I should've gotten that.  I really loved that book.


#129 of 215 by aquarum on Tue May 15 17:41:01 2001:

(Yeah, I meant Douglas Adams.)

Okay, new quote:

6. The Piazza Navona Flooded

What you have to remember when looking at a painting is this: nothing is
accidental.  Maybe that seems obvious, and maybe it seems trivial, but it
isn't either one.  If something is emphasized, the artist wanted it
emphasized.  If something is played down, the artist wanted it played down.
Even more, if there is a wisp of bird off in one corner of he landscape, that
bird is there for a reason.
        If the artist was Rossetti, the bird symbolizes freedom.  If it was
Monet, he needed the splash of color.  If it was Gericault, he wanted movement
in a an otherwise still scene.  If it was Audubon, that's the subject of the
painting.  If it was Thoma, he happened to see a bird there when he looked.
        It takes an effort, an act of will, and physical movement of a physical
brush with paint on it, to put in that bird, whether you're James Whistler
and you spend six years on a wing, or you're Van Gogh and suggest "bird" with
one plunge if brush to canvas.  It's there because the artist wanted it.
        I don't always know exactly *why* I want something to be in the
painting, or why I want it a certain way.  Sometimes I do, but sometimes it
just feels right.  Then I have the pleasure of figuring out why just as you
do, after it's done.
        Sometimes it isn't a pleasure -- I decide it was a mistake.  But
usually, by that time, it's too late to change it.  I could spnd my life
repainting mistakes I made that are so small I can't describe them but so big
I can't miss them.
        Sometimes the whole piece is a mistake from the beginning, but I can't
know that, either, until it's done, and then, as before, it's too late.
        Timing, that's what it is.
        Bones?


#130 of 215 by aruba on Tue May 15 19:58:44 2001:

That's a neat quote!


#131 of 215 by aquarum on Wed May 16 03:19:45 2001:

Thanks.  One of my favorites, in fact.


#132 of 215 by gelinas on Wed May 16 05:42:31 2001:

(Reminds me of a painting I saw at Art Fair a year or so ago:  a spider
was squished on the inside edge of the door.)


#133 of 215 by jep on Wed May 16 14:58:11 2001:

Steven Brust, "The Sun, the Moon and the Stars".  If you haven't read 
it, go get it; it's very good.


#134 of 215 by aquarum on Wed May 16 16:26:24 2001:

Ding ding ding ding ding.  John's got it.
And yes, go read it.


#135 of 215 by jep on Wed May 16 17:32:18 2001:

Here we go:

Everyone agreed to this and that was how the adventures began.  It was 
the sort of house that you never seem to come to the end of, and it was 
full of unexpected places.  The first few doors they tried led only into 
spare bedrooms, as everyone had expected that they would; but soon they 
came to a very long room full of pictures, and there they found a suit 
of armour; and after that was a room all hung with green, with a harp in 
one corner; and then came three steps down and five steps up, and then a 
kind of little upstairs hall and a door that led out on to a balcony, 
and then a whole series of rooms that led into each other and were lined 
with books - most of them very old books and some bigger than a Bible in 
a church.  And shortly after that they looked into a room that was quite 
empty except for one big wardrobe; the sort that has a looking-glass in 
the door.  There was nothing else in the room at all except a dead 
bluebottle on the window-sill.


#136 of 215 by slynne on Wed May 16 17:38:16 2001:

_The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe_ by CS Lewis


#137 of 215 by jep on Wed May 16 18:25:34 2001:

Yep.  I was afraid that would be too easy.  Oh, well.

You're up!


#138 of 215 by slynne on Wed May 16 19:20:57 2001:

Slowly it became clear to him that the stories of the white panther were 
indeed being told again; but what was remarkable was that they had begun 
to come from all over the country, in the bus-top bundles of gas-field 
workers returning form Needle and in the cartridge belts of rifle-toting 
tribesmen from the north. It was a large country, even without its East 
Wing, a land of wildernesses and marshy deltas studded with mangrove 
trees and mountain fastnesses and voids; and from every out-of-the-way 
corner of the nation, it seemed, the tale of the panther was travelling 
to the capital. Black head, pale hairless body, awkward gait. 


#139 of 215 by senna on Wed May 16 22:17:57 2001:

I would have gotten it if slynne hadn't.  The first sentence was a dead
giveaway.


#140 of 215 by aruba on Thu May 17 03:38:56 2001:

Likewise.


#141 of 215 by carson on Thu May 17 05:41:56 2001:

(uh, no one's gotten it yet.)

(rumors and hunting, is it Joseph Conrad?)


#142 of 215 by davel on Thu May 17 12:36:15 2001:

I also would have gotten jep's, if I'd logged in soon enough.


#143 of 215 by brighn on Thu May 17 13:46:58 2001:

I like blind stabs: King


#144 of 215 by aruba on Thu May 17 14:13:29 2001:

Orson Scott Card?


#145 of 215 by slynne on Thu May 17 16:01:43 2001:

It is not Joseph Conrad, King or Orson Scott Card. 

Here is a hint: This author is very well known but this quotation is not 
from his most well known work, a work that is mostly well known for 
political reasons. 


#146 of 215 by remmers on Thu May 17 16:49:01 2001:

Alan Paton?


#147 of 215 by brighn on Thu May 17 17:07:38 2001:

Ginsberg? >=}


#148 of 215 by slynne on Thu May 17 20:03:29 2001:

nope and nope. 

Here is another passage from the same novel:

    In the remote border town of Q., which when seen from the air 
resembles nothing so much as an ill-proportioned dumb-bell, there once 
lived three lovely, and loving, sisters. Their names...but their real 
names were never used, like the best household china, which was locked 
away after the night of their joint tragedy in a cupboard whose location 
was eventually forgotten, so that the great thousand-piece service from 
the Gardner potteries in Tsarist Russia became a family myth in whose 
factuality they almost ceased to belive...the three sisters, I should 
state without further delay, bore the family name of Shakil, and were 
universally known (in decending order of age) as Chhunni, Munnee and 
Bunny. 
    And one day their father died. 


#149 of 215 by mooncat on Thu May 17 20:53:23 2001:

Neil Gaiman?


#150 of 215 by gelinas on Thu May 17 21:07:49 2001:

I don't have a good quote, but I'm still going to guess:  George Orwell.


#151 of 215 by slynne on Thu May 17 21:11:21 2001:

nope and nope

I have a couple of hints I could give you but they would be too easy. I 
am trying to think of a medium hint but I'll give the easy hint in a 
couple of days for sure. 


#152 of 215 by brighn on Thu May 17 21:18:00 2001:

This is a bad guess, but since Joe did Orwell, we can't get much worse: Rand


#153 of 215 by gelinas on Thu May 17 21:20:33 2001:

I can think of two more possibilities, but I can only remember one name:
Graham Greene.  (I've a collection of his stories, but it never made it to
the top of the "books to read" stack.)


#154 of 215 by slynne on Thu May 17 21:39:27 2001:

No, but you guys are giving good guesses. 


#155 of 215 by slynne on Thu May 17 21:41:44 2001:

Ok, here is another hint: He was born in India. 


#156 of 215 by mooncat on Thu May 17 21:53:15 2001:

Baba Ram Das?


#157 of 215 by mooncat on Thu May 17 21:53:39 2001:

(oh wait... he was born here... never mind. <grins>)


#158 of 215 by aruba on Thu May 17 22:14:40 2001:

Kipling?


#159 of 215 by stacie on Thu May 17 22:35:05 2001:

 
 This book is a nice post-modernist piece of work.  I hope that doesn't give
it away!  ;-)


#160 of 215 by carson on Thu May 17 23:29:16 2001:

(is it Deepak Chopra?)


#161 of 215 by danr on Fri May 18 00:45:16 2001:

VS Naipaul (sp?)


#162 of 215 by gelinas on Fri May 18 02:24:05 2001:

(Orwell served as a British officer in Southeast Asia; 'twas a memory of
his tale of when he shot a "rogue" elephant that made me suggest him.)


#163 of 215 by brighn on Fri May 18 03:31:49 2001:

I was actually going to guess this before the India and post-modern hints,
when I really thought about the politics comment, but it does happen to fit
the other clues: Salman Rushdie


#164 of 215 by slynne on Fri May 18 13:18:30 2001:

Very good brighn! Your turn :)


#165 of 215 by brighn on Fri May 18 13:34:08 2001:

woowoo =} I'll post something this evening, when I have a book handy.


#166 of 215 by carson on Fri May 18 21:15:34 2001:

(drat.  good job, brighn.)


#167 of 215 by brighn on Sat May 19 21:09:01 2001:

A strange yelping sound punctuated the din of the machine. Anthony opened his
eyes again, and was in time to see a dark shape rushing down towards him. He
uttered a cry, made a quick and automatic movement to shield his face. With
a violent but dull and muddy impact, the thing struck the flat roof a yard
or two from where they were lying. The drops of a sharply spurted liquid were
warm for an instant on their skin, and then, as the breeze swelled up out of
the west, startingly cold. There was a long second of silence. "Christ!"
Anthony whispered at last. From head to foot both of them were splashed with
blood. In a red pool at their feet lay the almost shapeless carcase of a fox
terrier. The roar of the receding aeroplane had diminished to a raucous hum,
and suddenly the ear found itself conscious again of the shrill rasping of
the cicadas.

Anthony drew a deep breath; then, with an effort and still rather unsteadily,
contrived to laugh. "Yet another reason for disliking dogs," he said and,
scrambling to his feet, looked down, his face puckered with disgust, at his
blood-bedabbled blody. "What about a bath?" he asked, turning to Helen.

She was sitting quite still, staring with wide-open eyes at the horribly
shattered carcase. Her face was very pale and a glancing spurt of blood had
left a long red streak that ran diagonally from the right side of the chin,
across the mouth, to the corner of the left eye.

"You look like Lady Macbeth," he said, with another effort at jocularity.
"*Allons.*" He touched her should. "Out vile spot. This beastly stuff's drying
on me. Like seccotine."

For all answer, Helen covered her face with her hands and began to sob.


#168 of 215 by brighn on Tue May 22 01:43:32 2001:

I'm not sure if the lack of guesses is due to the snafu of the system or,
well, a lack of guessing. I'll post clues tomorrow if there haven't been any
guesses


#169 of 215 by davel on Tue May 22 12:11:13 2001:

I'm quite sure I haven't read this quote, & think it very likely that I
haven't read this author.  My lack of guesses is due to that, as well as
to my not having been on Grex for a few days.


#170 of 215 by brighn on Tue May 22 16:01:36 2001:

I'd hope that somebody on Grex would've read this autho, though I doubt any
have read the book in question. Confirming possible guesses based on the
snippet: The author is British, and contemporary to the peak of existentialism
in France (Sartre and Camus). An additional hint: Of his other book titles,
one borrowed a line from Shakespeare while another was borrowed by a rock
band.


#171 of 215 by slynne on Tue May 22 16:58:11 2001:

I still have no clue. 


#172 of 215 by happyboy on Tue May 22 19:22:26 2001:

that's not news.  :)


#173 of 215 by goose on Tue May 22 22:06:23 2001:

Come on slynne...don't be so hard on yourself...and don't set yourself up liek
that either ;-)


#174 of 215 by brighn on Tue May 22 23:05:55 2001:

Ok, from the hard clues to the easy clues. I was going to quote the book
everyone should have read (yes, that IS a moral imperative ;} ), but I can't
find my copy of it, so in stead I'll explain the relevance of its title. While
there are many titles based on Shakespeare quotes (including the couplet "By
The Pricking of My Thumbs" [Christie] and "Something Wicked This Way Comes"
[Bradbury]), this title was chosen in part because of one of the main plots
bore a similarity to the plot of the Shakespearean play whence the title: A
child of a "civilized" person is found, with thier parent, out in the savage
wilds of the world and is brought back into civilization. The quote is ironic,
both in Shakespeare's original, as well as the novel in question (easily the
mystery author's most famous novel).

The mystery author was famous as a writer in his own right, but he also had
famous ancestors, including a colleague of Darwin's.

I've mentioned in the past that I'm a fan of this author.

If that doesn't do it, I'll have to start over with a different author. ;}


#175 of 215 by md on Wed May 23 03:17:03 2001:

"colleague of Darwin's" = T.H. Huxley, ancestor of Aldous, who wrote 
Brave New World and The Doors of Perception.  I pass.


#176 of 215 by brighn on Wed May 23 03:29:21 2001:

(and also Eyeless in Gaza, from which the quote came)
the floor is open to any entrant


#177 of 215 by remmers on Wed May 23 16:44:26 2001:

Guess I'll go next.  I feel morally justified, since I would
have guessed it also on the basis of brighn's hints in #174.

By a living American writer:

    This incompatibility between classical color theory and
    reality struck Goethe in the late eighteenth century.
    Intensely aware of the phenomenal reality of colored
    shadows and colored afterimages, of the effects of
    contiguity and illumination on the appearance of
    colors, of colored and other visual illusions, he
    felt that these must be the basis of a color theory
    and declared as his credo, "Optical illusion is
    optical truth!"  Goethe was centrally concerned with
    the way we actually see colors and light, the ways in
    which we *create* worlds, and illusions, in color.
    This, he felt, was not explicable by Newton's physics,
    but only by some as-yet unknown rules of the brain.
    He was saying, in effect, "Visual illusion is
    neurological truth."



#178 of 215 by orinoco on Wed May 23 19:05:14 2001:

Oh, I _read_ this one.  I remember what class I read it for, but not which
of the books it was in.  I'm gonna guess Oliver Sacks' _The Man Who Mistook
His Wife For A Hat,_ since that's the only one whose author I remember, but
I'm pretty sure that's not it.


#179 of 215 by remmers on Wed May 23 21:33:14 2001:

Curse you!  Oliver Sacks it is.  Thought this would be harder.

It's from _An Anthropologist on Mars_.  But you're not required to
guess the work, only the author, so you're up.


#180 of 215 by orinoco on Thu May 24 22:02:28 2001:

        Each thought has a size, and most are about three feet tall, with the
level of complexity of a lawnmower engine, or a cigarette lighter, or those
tubes of toothpaste that, by mingling several hidden pastes and gels, create
a pleasantly striped product.  Once in a while, a thought may come up that
seems, in its woolly, ranked composure, roughly the size of one's hall closet.
But a really *large* thought, a thought in the presence of which whole urban
centers would rise to their feet, and cry out with expressions of gratefulness
and kinship; a thought with grandeur, and drenching, barrel-scorning
catarsacts, and detonations of fist-clenched hope, and hundreds of cellos;
a thought that can tear phone books in half, and rap on the iron nodes of
experience until every blue girder rings; a thought that may one day pack
everything noble and good into its briefcase, elbow past the curators of
purposelessness, travel overnight toward Truth, and shake it by the
indifferent marble shoulders until it finally whispers its cool assent -- this
is the size of thought worth thinking about.
        I have wanted for so long to own and maintain even a few huge,
interlocking thoughts that, having exhausted more legitimate methods, I have
recently resorted to theoretical speculation.  Would it be possible to list
those features that, taken together, confer upon a thought a lofty
magnificence?  What *makes* them so very large?  My idle corollary hope is
that perhaps a systematic and rigorous codification, on the model of
Hammurabi's or Napoleon's, might make large thoughts available cheap, and in
bulk, to the general public, thereby salvaging the nineteenth-century dream
of a liberal democracy.  But mainly I am hoping that once I can coax from
large thoughts the rich impulses of their power, I will be able to think them
in solitude, evening after evening, walking in little circles on the carpet
with my arms outspread.


#181 of 215 by aruba on Thu May 24 22:11:11 2001:

The first paragraph sounds like it has to be Douglas Adams.


#182 of 215 by orinoco on Thu May 24 22:30:02 2001:

Interesting guess, but no.  (Keep an eye on that first paragraph, though. 
It's hard to believe it, but it's the more typical of the two.  This is an
author who knows how to go overboard.)


#183 of 215 by brighn on Thu May 24 23:56:00 2001:

I could also see Gaiman writing this


#184 of 215 by arianna on Fri May 25 17:11:18 2001:

ditto.  whoeevr wrote it, it sounds worth reading.


#185 of 215 by aruba on Fri May 25 18:39:19 2001:

I'll guess Neal Stephenson then, though Scott just used him so that's
probably wrong.


#186 of 215 by raven on Tue May 29 20:20:20 2001:

Tom Robins


#187 of 215 by lynne on Tue Jun 5 14:28:51 2001:

could we get another hint here?  this item seems to need a kickstart again.


#188 of 215 by orinoco on Tue Jun 5 19:29:29 2001:

Not Gaiman, Stephenson, or Robbins.

This author seems to be best known for a very slightly notorious novel about
phone sex, and for a few articles and a recent book in which he rants about
library science.  Eccentric tastes, I guess.


#189 of 215 by janc on Tue Jun 5 22:14:47 2001:

Too big a clue.  Nicholson Baker.


#190 of 215 by orinoco on Fri Jun 8 17:43:46 2001:

Yeah, it probably was too big.  Then again, I'd thought Baker's writing style
would be too big a clue all by itself.

Jan is up.


#191 of 215 by janc on Tue Jun 12 03:59:52 2001:

  On the crest behind them I saw a sudden tumult of movement, and thought,
ah, yes, those are mounted Sioux--by Jove, there are plenty of them, and
tearing down like those Russians at Campbell's Highlanders.  Lot of
war-bonnets and lance-heads, and how hot the sun is, and me with no hat. 
Elspeth would have sent me indoors for one.  Elspeth . . .
  "Hoo'hay, Lacotah!  It's a good day to die!  Kye-ee-kye!"
  "You bloody liars!" I screamed, and all was fast and furious again, with
a hellish din of drumming hooves and screams and war-whoops and shots crashing
like a dozen Gatlings all together, the mounted horde charging on one side,
and as I wheeled to flee, the solid mass of red devils on foot racing in like
mad things, clubs and knives raised, and before I knew it they were among us,
and I went down in an inferno of dust and stamping feet and slashing weapons,
with stinking bodies on top of me, and my right hand pumping the Bulldog
trigger while I gibbered in expectation of the agony of my death-stroke.  A
moccasined foot smached into my ribs, I rolled away and fired at a painted
face--and it vanished, but whether I hit it or not God knows, for directly
behind it Custer was falling, on hands and knees, and whether I'd hit *him*,
God knows again.  He rocked ack on his heels, blood coming out from his mouth,
and toppled over, and I scrambled up and away, cannoning into a red body,
hurling my empty Bulldog at a leaping Indian and closing with him; he had a
sabre, of all things, and I closed my teeth in his wrist and heard him shriek
as I got my hand on the hilt, and began laying about me blindly.  Indians and
troopers were struggling all around me, a lance brushed before my face, I was
aware of a rearing horse and its Indian rider grabbing for his club; I slashed
him across the thigh and he pitched screaming from the saddle; I hurled myself
at the beast's head and was dragged through the mass of yelling, stabbing,
struggling men.  Two clear yards and I hauled myself across its back, righting
myself as an Indian stumbled under its hooves, and then I was urging the pony
up and away from that horror, over grassy ground thatt was carpeted with still
and writhing bodies, and beyond it little knots of men fighting, soldiers with
clubbed carbines being overwhelmed by Sioux--but here was a guidon, and a
little cluster of blue shirts that still fired steadily.  I rode for them
roaring for help, and they scrambled aside to let me through, and I tumbled
out of the saddle into Keogh's arms.
  "Where's the General?" he yelled, and I could only shake my head and point
dumbly at the carnage behind me.


#192 of 215 by bru on Tue Jun 12 12:29:27 2001:

Louis Lamour


#193 of 215 by mary on Tue Jun 12 14:20:17 2001:

_Little Men_, Louisa May Alcott


#194 of 215 by janc on Tue Jun 12 17:21:01 2001:

Not Louis Lamour.  Not Louisa May Alcott.


#195 of 215 by janc on Tue Jun 12 21:16:02 2001:

  "But I don't speak Danish, dammit!"
  "But you have a gift for languages, remember?  In the few weeks available,
you can be given a smattering.  No more than that will be necessary, for His
Highness speaks German indifferently well, as you will before you take his
place.  You have a tolerable fluency as it is."
  "But ... but ... well, how the devil do you propose that I *should* take
his place?  Go to Denmark, I suppose, and present suitable references!
Balderdash!"
  "You need not go to Denmark.  I have been in constant communication with
Prince Carl Gustaf.   Naturally, he does not know of our plan, but he does
have great faith in me.  One of the ministers I mentioned is in my employ.
Through him, all has been arranged.  The Prince will set out from Denmark
when the time comes with his retinue; he has been led to believe I have found
a way out of his difficulties.  He is rather a simple fellow, although
amiable, and supposes that I can arrange matters.  In that belief he will
come to Holstein, en route to Strackenz, and in Holstein the substitution
will take place.  The mechanics you may leave to me."
  It was like listening to some grotesque fairy-tale.  The cool, precies
way in which he told it was staggering.
  "But ... but this retinue -- his people, I mean...."
  "The minister who is my agent will accompany the Prince.  His name is
Detchard.  With him at your side, you need have no fears.  *And no one
will suspect you*:  why should they?"
  "Because I'll give myself away in a hundred things, man!  My voice, my
actions--God knows what!"
  "That is not so," said Bismarck.  "I tell you, I know the Prince, his
voice, his mannerisms--all of it.  And I tell you that if you shave your
head and upper lip, your own mothers would not know you apart."
  "It's true," says Rudi, from the fireplace.  "You aren't just alike;
you're the same  man.  If you learn a few of his habits--gestures, that
sort of thing--it can't fail."
  "But I'm not an actor! How can I--"
  "You wandered in Afghanistan disguised as a native, did you not?" says
Bismarck.  "I know as much about you as you do yourself, you see.  If you
can do that, you can easily do this."  He leaned forward again.  "All this
has been thought of.  If you were not a man of action, of proved resource
and courage, of *geist und geschicklichkeit*, with and aptitude, I would
not have entertained this scheme for a moment.  It is because you *have*
all these things, and have proved them, that you are here now."
  Well, that was all *he* knew.  God help him, he believed the newspapers,
and my huge overblown reputation--he thought I was the daredevil _____
_______ of popular report, the Hero of Jallalabad, and all that tommy-rot.
And there was no hope that I could persuade him otherwise.


#196 of 215 by gelinas on Tue Jun 12 22:24:08 2001:

I've not read this, but I'm willing to bet the quotes are from two different
books.  Books that are on my list to read, when, if I'm right, I finish the
author's Arthur books.


#197 of 215 by janc on Wed Jun 13 02:17:58 2001:

The quotes are from two different books (although the main character is the
same).  To the best of my knowledge, the author has written no Arthur books.


#198 of 215 by aruba on Wed Jun 13 04:03:03 2001:

Jules Verne?  (Shot in the dark.)


#199 of 215 by mdw on Wed Jun 13 04:33:14 2001:

Er, uh, that's got to be Flashman!  Wish I could remember the author...


#200 of 215 by janc on Wed Jun 13 13:46:42 2001:

Not Jules Verne.  The "hero" of both quoted books is Flashman.  I'm going
to give it to Marcus, because 10 seconds with a web browser would have gotten
him from the name "Flashman" to the name of the author, George MacDonald
Fraser.  The first quote, with Flashman shooting General Custer at Little
Big Horn, is from "Flashman and the Redskins".  The second, with Flashman
being dragooned into Otto von Bismarck's plot to annex Schleswig/Holstein
to Germany (a critical event in the formation of the German state before
World War I), is from "Royal Flash".  I probably would have given you
the Charge of the Light Brigade ("Theirs was not to reason why, theirs was
but to do and die.  Into the valley of Death rode the six hundred") or the
Taiping Rebellion (the third bloodiest war in human history) next if someone
hadn't guessed it.  Flashman got around.


#201 of 215 by gelinas on Wed Jun 13 14:37:40 2001:

Which is why I thought it was Sharpe.  I'll have to read the Flashman books
after I finish the Sharpe stories.


#202 of 215 by jhudson on Tue Jun 19 03:28:29 2001:

All that is gold does not glitter.
   Not all who wander are lost.
The old that is strong does not wither.
   Deep roots are not reached by the frost.

From the ashes a fire shall be woken.
   A light from the shadows shall sprint.
Renewed shall be the blade that was broken.
   The crownless again shall be king.


#203 of 215 by i on Tue Jun 19 03:41:57 2001:

(Re: #202 - Tolkien, LOTR)

Got a new quote for us, mdw?


#204 of 215 by mdw on Tue Jun 19 05:54:54 2001:

Ah right.  Well, if Tolkien was easy enough, I'm sure this will be
a snap:

        Therein three sisters dwelt of sundry sort,
        The children of one syre by mothers three;
        Who, dying whylome, did divide this fort
        To them by equall shares in equall fee:
        But stryfull mind and diverse qualitee
        Drew them in partes, and each made others foe:
        Still did they strive and daily disagree;
        The eldest did against the youngest goe,
        And both against the middest meant to worken woe.


#205 of 215 by senna on Tue Jun 19 11:15:14 2001:

The "blad that was broken" is a fairly specific piece of the plot, if nothing
else gives it away.  Other stuff gives it away, though.


#206 of 215 by other on Tue Jun 19 15:54:20 2001:

I'm thinking Milton or Donne.


#207 of 215 by janc on Tue Jun 19 20:44:12 2001:

Edumon Spenser?  No, probably not.


#208 of 215 by janc on Tue Jun 19 20:44:31 2001:

Edmond Spenser, I meant to say.


#209 of 215 by remmers on Tue Jun 19 22:19:13 2001:

I think you're right.


#210 of 215 by mdw on Wed Jun 20 04:26:56 2001:

Fairie Queen, no less.  Jan has it.


#211 of 215 by janc on Sun Jun 24 02:21:32 2001:

Hmmm...I guess I should do this in the newagora.


#212 of 215 by davel on Mon Jun 25 12:45:04 2001:

OK, but will someone link the new item to Books, please?


#213 of 215 by rcurl on Mon Jun 25 15:39:44 2001:

Well, I can do that, but would you ask in the new item, please?


#214 of 215 by davel on Tue Jun 26 12:26:36 2001:

Rane, I don't read Agora, so I *can't* ask in the new item.


#215 of 215 by rcurl on Tue Jun 26 17:19:28 2001:

Let me know if I didn't link the right one.....  8^}


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