This is the Valerie Leaves Discussion Item!64 responses total.
Valerie, why are you all of a sudden leaving? Is it because of that stupid mnet agora conference item that parodied your baby diary? Somebody was having fun and entered responses in a lot of known grexers names. I for one didn't even know that item existed until I got your email. If thats not it, couldn't you at least explain? And why is it necessary to delete all your posts you've ever made? Suddenly you don't like grex so much you don't want anyone to know you've ever been here? what gives?
NB: It looks like her script *is* removing her comments from this conference. That is a huge loss to us all. Almost as large as the loss of her.
Apparently, it's removing the comments from items linked between this conference and other conferences. Not much sense in reading other conferences until her scripts finish; items are continually being added to the list of those with "new" responses.
Yeah, it's basically DoSing the system. Someone should block the IP address being used to attack Grex.
For once, David, please give it a rest.
I am very sad.
This sucks.
I'm sorry to see valerie leave the system. I can understand people getting burned out on being staff, and it sounds like she was feeling that way long before the recent incident, but I hate to see it progress to the point where they feel they need to leave the system entirely.
One huge kill for the barbarians.
I'm sad too.
Re resp:9: I don't think it's all their fault. Valerie said earlier that part of the reason she decided to risk killing her own item is that she no longer cared that much about keeping her staff position. I think she was just plain burned out on it.
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It does suck that Valerie has decided to leave grex entirely.
So sad.
Metaphor: it's like going to the Habitat for Humanity house that you were helping to build and pulling out the nails you pounded in.
I am sad that valerie felt that she had to / wanted to leave grex, in apparently every manner. I know that I have gotten help from her in the past, as I am sure that others have, and that resource will be missed by all. And I have to think that deep down, somewhere, valerie is very upset that she has had to give up grex. That being said, even though it is her right to scribble everything that she ever entered, and it is her right not to care what bad effect that will have on grex, I find that blanket scribble to have been a somewhat childish act. Especially in fundamentally technical conferences such as info and web. I think she could have departed with a bit more grace. However, it was her right to leave in any manner she wished.
And the garage conference, that was a real loss.
Re resp:11: I think the reason she was burned out is pretty self-evident. Still, it is sad. The end of an era.
I think valerie may be overreacting to that parody item on mnet. that item parodied her baby diary. now maybe she thinks that every thing she ever posted is ripe for parody so she has to remove them all. If so, it seems like a huge overreaction. Valerie is one of Grex's founders, and I'm sure Grex would be a different, lesser, place today had it not had her participation as board and staff member in its early years. I mean who's been a bigger fan and supporter of Grex over the years than she has? Which makes her leaving so publicly, so completely all the more sad and mystifying. When you leave that publicly, its like slapping this place in the face. Like maybe she's hoping other people will follow her example and abandon the Grex. She could have left quietly, not even told anyone, but she didn't. She left publicly. She wanted people to know she was leaving. That implies she's angry and has an agenda. Does she not like what Grex has become? Does she wish it was still just a local dialup bbs for the Ann Arbor community? Or is Valerie now saying that she thinks Grex has failed in its purpose, that Grex can no longer be what she wanted it to be?
I doubt Grex would exist at all if it weren't for Valerie. I know I wouldn't be here.
Re resp:19: I don't know. Personally, if Grex continues on the current path towards allowing users to remove other users' writings that they disagree with, I will have considered it a failure.
As will I.
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What cmcgee said. <SIGH>
Re. 5: Valerie's script IS DoSing the system, which has had absurdly high load averages all day, in addition to being slow. I don't understand why you think Valerie should be allowed to attack the resources of a not-for-profit corporation.
M-net is older and more mature than GreX, which is clearly populated by children.
(and gay fags.)
When you canuckleheads stop jacking off, let me know. resp:16 I'm seeing the scribbling in the kitchen/cooking conferences. I would imagine the mass scribbling is making some past discussions look stilted and funny-- and anyone looking back (if they do) will never know what she said in those parts. But I suppose she wished to make a complete departure, leaving nothing behind-- with as little trace as possible.
Hey, that's an insult. THAT"S A COLLECTIVE INSULT. YOU HURT ME WITH THAT CANADIAN INSULT.
Give a rest folks. You can discuss policy crap in the item for which it was intended. I personally do not think that scribbling everything that she has written was a childish act. If I were to leave under such circumstances, I'd want everything I'd written to be erased. She wants a complete break from the syste, and I can't say I blame her. I doubt she would have done so if she thought the system would be crippled and it isn't. Beyond that I will make no assumptions. Having said that... Have some class people, and leave her alone. She's gone, and she can't answer for herself. Speculating about her motives is pointless.
I can see why she would erase all her posts.
Personally, I'd rather just erase all the posts of certain other users...and then chain those other users into small holes in the ground for a few years.
I'm seeing a scene from Monty Python now, Eric. You meanie!
resp:29 now you notice that I called you canucklehead. Lots of people are canuckleheads. One's a friend of mine. Hmm, and I'm an ugly American apparently. But you'll get over it =P
Just like you'll get over being a GreXer. Well, you might, but others won't.
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resp:35 Oh well.
having caught up, mostly, valerie stated her motives clearly and concisely in #71. she was no longer willing to leave open the opportunity for her words to be abused here or elsewhere. in her official capacity/capacities though, (and there are SOOOO many!) valerie maintained her thoughts. very adult quality, that. i will miss her.
It was done childishly, and it was done to grex, which was not where the dreaded parody items were created.
yes, how dreaded. :(
Valerie has every right to do whatever she likes with her own words. When I joined Grex, there was nothing saying I would have to give up rights to my words on Grex. In the absence of such a contract, everyone here owns what they write. If the majority of Grexers object, then the rules need to be officially changed to reflect that. In Valerie's place, I would have done the exact same thing.
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re: 41 Do you realize you've just argued against yourself?
I think the saying "but nobody doesn't like sarahlee" was just proven wrong...
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Re #41: The problem was that her items also contained other people's words.
Nobody here would have objected if she only removed her own words,
because as you say she has the right to do whatever she wants with
them.
However -- other people have the same rights she does, and we didn't
want our words deleted.
I'm saying that I may do whatever I wish with my own words. I'm also saying the creator of an item may delete my words if s/he chooses to delete the entire item. S/he may not selectively go through an item and delete my posts, and no one else's, without my permission. I think that is totally reasonable. Aren't items deleted all the time, or at least with some regularity? Why weren't they an issue?
Because they are usually deleted with a warning and with input from the public
And they aren't deleted regularly.
Re #51: A lot of people don't agree that the person who starts an item
should have the right to delete the entire item. Once others have
posted, the item is a group work, and is not their property any
more.
And no, they aren't deleted with any regularity.
I THINK WE SHOULD START A NEW TREND GUYS :: SCRIBBLE YOUR OLD RESPONSES_ THEN RE-POST THEM! HEREL: I'LL START IN THE NEXT ITEM.
GUYS' SOMEONE TELL ME AN AUTOMATED METHOD
MOIDIFY VALERIE"S SCRIBBLE PROGRAMME
WHOA> YEAH< DO IT
UNLUCKY!
TROGG IS DAVID BLAINE
Looks like it is in fronttalk: } Ok: part other } } } other Fri Nov 17 12:24:35 2006 Eric the Plush } } 1 participant total. } } Ok: part spooked } } loginid last time on name } } spooked Fri Nov 17 20:21:23 2006 Michelangelo Giansiracusa } } 1 participant total. } } Ok:
Another good reason to move to modern, open-source software.
My dad (a former staff member) wrote me an email: > (It's been a few years, but I *think* that the way the part command worked > in picospan was not by checking whether one had posted, but by scanning > all users' directories for a participation file for the particular > conference. > It was hideously slow, IIRC. And if the file was in a directory without > proper permissions, it wouldn't report it. I could be wrong, but that's > my memory of how it worked.)
It's a poor implementation - regardless of its intended purpose.
You have several choices: