Grex Oldcoop Conference

Item 42: Co-fw for the International cf

Entered by mynxcat on Wed Dec 3 03:42:08 2003:

As fw of the International cf, I'm afraid I haven't done a very god 
job. Most of it is lack of time, more than anything else. While I do 
believe that the International cf can become one of great importance 
to this community, especially with the non-American users, if 
positioned right, I neither have the time nor the ideas at this point.

I would like to have naftee instated as co-fw of the International cf. 
I think he has the drive and energy to help make the cf what it could 
be. I've not had much time to devote to it, and I expect he has the 
time and the ideas that could help to make the cf a success.

While I'm aware that this doesn't require a vote, I use this 
oppurtunity to request cfadmin to make naftee co-fw along with me. If 
there's something else I need to be doing, let me know.
46 responses total.
#1 of 46 by willcome on Wed Dec 3 03:54:18 2003:

You need to get me to be FW.

#2 of 46 by naftee on Wed Dec 3 03:59:06 2003:

As I mentioned before, I would be glad to co-fw the international conference.

#3 of 46 by remmers on Wed Dec 3 11:56:33 2003:

Since it's an internal change in the International Conference, and
not a matter affecting Grex as a whole, there's really no reason to
bring this up in Coop at all.  Best place to discuss it is among
the people actually affected, i.e. in the conference itself.  If
there's a concensus that it's okay, email cfadm requesting the
change.

#4 of 46 by naftee on Wed Dec 3 16:20:49 2003:

consensus

#5 of 46 by cmcgee on Wed Dec 3 19:55:50 2003:

Right, the item should be entered in the International conference, with a
reasonable comment period allowed.  Once the stated comment period has
expired, if there is consensus among the conference users, an email to the
cfadm is all that is needed.

#6 of 46 by mynxcat on Wed Dec 3 20:47:31 2003:

How long is "reasonable" for the comment period? Can I link this item, 
or should I create a new item?

#7 of 46 by aruba on Wed Dec 3 21:04:58 2003:

I think linking this item over would be fine.

#8 of 46 by cmcgee on Thu Dec 4 00:33:24 2003:

REasonable is whatever the activity in the conference would indicate is a good
length to allow most users to sign on (if everyone comments once a day,
"reasonable" may be 3 days;  if they comment once a week, maybe 3 weeks).

#9 of 46 by mynxcat on Thu Dec 4 17:05:55 2003:

This item is now linked to International. Please use this item to 
discuss whether you have any problems with having naftee as co-fw.

Also, I'd like to say that I trust naftee to treat this oppurtunity 
with the respect and responsibility it is. I personally think that he 
would do a good job, and would make a good fw.

#10 of 46 by gelinas on Thu Dec 4 18:08:47 2003:

I don't think he'll make a particularly good fair witness, but I'm willing
to let hiim try in this conference ("international").

#11 of 46 by mynxcat on Thu Dec 4 18:11:15 2003:

Thank you.

#12 of 46 by micklpkl on Thu Dec 4 18:52:06 2003:

I'll definitely resign from intl if naftee is given co-fairwitness
responsibilities. I doubt that it matters much, though, as I haven't really
been an active participant.

#13 of 46 by mynxcat on Thu Dec 4 19:28:09 2003:

Mickey, I wouldn't want you to resign. I hope that you would give 
naftee a fair chance, before deciding to resign. If you feel that he's 
made the cf unbearable, I hope you'd voice your opinion, and maybe 
then consider resigning if the situation did not improve.

#14 of 46 by willcome on Thu Dec 4 22:13:01 2003:

naftee'll be considered a good FW by any standard.

#15 of 46 by naftee on Fri Dec 5 04:15:32 2003:

Guys, I'm not going to treat a responsible job irresponsibly.

Just out of curiosity, who is/are the conference administrator(s)?

#16 of 46 by gelinas on Fri Dec 5 04:51:26 2003:

The cfadm is i (not I).

#17 of 46 by willcome on Fri Dec 5 05:03:33 2003:

It should be noted that when naftee briefly FW'd the asddsa conference on
M-Net, it was one of the most popular conferences on either Grex or M-Net.

#18 of 46 by mynxcat on Fri Dec 5 11:48:13 2003:

FWIW, I for one trust naftee to take this job responsibly. I would 
take responsibility for his actions but I'd like to talk to him real-
time before I take that step.

(And I do NOT want the International cf o down the path asddsa did. 
I'm not looking for popularity, jut a cf we can be proud of.)

#19 of 46 by naftee on Fri Dec 5 16:39:24 2003:

Exactly.

#20 of 46 by willcome on Fri Dec 5 19:31:28 2003:

I object to naftee being FW of the International Conference.  There's simply
not enough activity to justify having two FWs.

#21 of 46 by mynxcat on Fri Dec 5 19:39:08 2003:

I don't have much time to devote to international. I think there could 
be more activity if someone could help with it both in terms of ideas 
and time.

#22 of 46 by gull on Fri Dec 5 20:14:25 2003:

Re resp:20: I don't think that matters if naftee is willing to put in
the effort.  It's not as if we're taking time away from some other effort.

#23 of 46 by willcome on Fri Dec 5 21:52:33 2003:

R. 21:
mynxcat   ttyrb    24.26.141.127    Fri Dec  5 06:17 - 06:38  (00:20)
mynxcat   ttyq7    24.26.141.127    Thu Dec  4 22:41 - 22:46  (00:05)
mynxcat   ttyq7    24.26.141.127    Thu Dec  4 20:52 - 22:37  (01:44)
mynxcat   ttyre    24.26.141.127    Thu Dec  4 20:47 - 20:49  (00:02)
mynxcat   ttys2    24.26.141.127    Thu Dec  4 07:52 - 07:56  (00:04)

You demonstratably have lots of time.

#24 of 46 by willcome on Fri Dec 5 21:53:55 2003:

Re. 22:  It does, when naftee's a known system-abuser.  There's a HUGE
risk of serious damage being done to Grex, without any benefit whatsoever.

#25 of 46 by mynxcat on Fri Dec 5 22:19:00 2003:

That doesn't prove anything. Three of those instances show log on times in
minutes. The other two were mostly idling on grex while I got other computer
work taken care of.

#26 of 46 by naftee on Sat Dec 6 00:06:41 2003:

re 24 I haven't abused the system in a long time.  You, however, are a
different story.

#27 of 46 by willcome on Sat Dec 6 01:10:17 2003:

I'm afraid my mistakes have nothing to do with whether or not you, a system
abuser, are a DANGER to the system.

#28 of 46 by naftee on Sat Dec 6 04:40:52 2003:

Hmm, let's see.  My total record of system 'abuses' include one or two
mass-telegrams and maybe one or two mass-mailings, the recipients totaling
less than fifty users, at a rough guess.  Compare this with your multiple mass
mailings (over 10 000 mails) resulting in the blockage of m-net-grex mail
traffic and the fillage of user partitions.  That's system abuse.  That is
real system danger.

#29 of 46 by willcome on Sat Dec 6 05:33:26 2003:

Right.  Because there're people who do system abuse on a grand scale, you
should be FW of the International Conference.

#30 of 46 by mynxcat on Sat Dec 6 12:11:00 2003:

Can we drop this line of discussion. Each of you has said your piece. I'd like
to hear everyone else's views.

#31 of 46 by naftee on Sat Dec 6 15:55:12 2003:

willcome's accusation just doesn't hold water.

#32 of 46 by willcome on Sat Dec 6 18:11:34 2003:

mynxcat: I'm not sure why you don't want people to be able to discuss
important issues.  Why're you so vehement about having a system abusers FW
the International Conference?

#33 of 46 by polytarp on Sun Dec 7 05:43:26 2003:

It should be noted naftee's only made four posts to this conference prior to
this item. I wonder whether he's really interested in its content.

#34 of 46 by willcome on Sun Dec 7 06:01:31 2003:

I agree.

#35 of 46 by mynxcat on Sun Dec 7 12:57:32 2003:

When did polytarp get his account back? Or was it reaped?

#36 of 46 by naftee on Sun Dec 7 18:54:34 2003:

pay attention, mynxcat!! cross, in his encouragement of vandals of the system,
unlocked it.

#37 of 46 by gull on Mon Dec 8 15:51:03 2003:

cross unlocked it because he felt he was under pressure from mary to do
so, apparently.

#38 of 46 by mynxcat on Mon Dec 8 16:03:39 2003:

That was the impression a lot of people got, not just cross.

#39 of 46 by jmsaul on Tue Dec 9 01:30:09 2003:

Why does it matter what Mary thinks?

#40 of 46 by naftee on Tue Dec 9 02:29:34 2003:

haahahah

#41 of 46 by jaklumen on Thu Dec 11 02:19:05 2003:

<sits back and gets some popcorn>

#42 of 46 by jmsaul on Fri Dec 12 01:21:45 2003:

Please don't.  She's too sensitive and high-strung to FW this conference.

#43 of 46 by mynxcat on Fri Dec 12 13:07:16 2003:

Who is?

#44 of 46 by jmsaul on Sat Dec 13 03:47:37 2003:

Valerie used to use the loginid popcorn.  If you finger it, she still has it,
she's just switched to "valerie".

#45 of 46 by naftee on Sat Dec 13 21:50:05 2003:

She switched from a food loginid?! Traitor.

#46 of 46 by jesuit on Wed May 17 02:14:26 2006:

TROGG IS DAVID BLAINE

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