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Item 27: Do you REALLY want jp2?

Entered by dah on Mon Oct 27 22:32:50 2003:

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47 responses total.

#1 of 47 by mynxcat on Mon Oct 27 23:11:43 2003:

And let the maligning begin.


#2 of 47 by dah on Mon Oct 27 23:25:25 2003:

You know, I used to think jp2 was a pretty swell candidate for the Board
 of Directors.  Despite being much maligned and abused on this system, 
he's continued to offer his services and suggestions, even when other 
people don't adopt his solutions simply because he's the one who 
proposed them.  But let's face it:  The ones that have been implemented,
 such as closing the censor log, have greatly benefited the system, and 
there's no indication that his other unadopted suggestions wouldn't have
 had helped just as much.  Clearly, jp2's someone with great great ideas
 other people simply don't have.

But I was -- and I don't normally admit things like this -- wrong.  See,
 in addition to having good ideas, a BM must also have basic respect for
 the system.  I realised to-day when I noticed /a was filled that jp2 
simply doesn't have that:

bash-2.05$ cd ~jp2/jbbsdir
bash-2.05$ du
1512    ./yapp
14      ./confs/jbbs
7       ./confs/polytarp
22      ./confs
648727  .
bash-2.05$

That's a listing of the ~jp2/jbbsdir.  While I have gone over the honour
 quota before -- no-one's perfect -- I am shocked at the egregiousness
of  jp2's offense.  He has nearly a gigabyte of files when the quota is 
merely a megabyte!  Is this really the candidate you want running Grex? 
 I hope he gets less votes than last time he ran.


#3 of 47 by dah on Mon Oct 27 23:25:42 2003:

(sorry, edited for typos)


#4 of 47 by jp2 on Tue Oct 28 01:19:06 2003:

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#5 of 47 by dah on Tue Oct 28 01:19:44 2003:

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#6 of 47 by dah on Tue Oct 28 01:20:43 2003:

Uh, I don't think it's reasonable to elect to the Board people who run around
making spurious accusations, jp2.


#7 of 47 by jp2 on Tue Oct 28 01:24:08 2003:

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#8 of 47 by dah on Tue Oct 28 01:25:29 2003:

jp2, maybe you could try taking responsibility for your own actions, rather
than others.


#9 of 47 by dah on Tue Oct 28 01:30:22 2003:

blaming, etc.


#10 of 47 by cross on Tue Oct 28 01:33:48 2003:

Jamie, do you have proof?


#11 of 47 by other on Tue Oct 28 01:43:27 2003:

What explains the idiocy of leaving world-writable files in your home 
directory?


#12 of 47 by gull on Tue Oct 28 02:13:38 2003:

My guess is he was running a private copy of yapp.  Doing that usefully does
sort of require letting other people write to files in your home directory,
I would think.

To me it looks like just a little bit of fun that go out of hand.  I can't
think of anything about this that really violates Grex policy.


#13 of 47 by dah on Tue Oct 28 02:46:27 2003:

bash-2.05$ du -h
du: cannot change to directory ./mail: Permission denied
25K     ./bin
44K     ./www
1.6K    ./.ssh
512     ./advent
du: cannot change to directory ./jbbsdir: Permission denied
633M    .
bash-2.05$

It looks like jp2's up to his old tricks again.  These repeated denial 
of service attacks are getting tedious.

gull, maybe you don't understand how debilitating having a partition 
filled is.


#14 of 47 by gull on Tue Oct 28 02:49:04 2003:

Oh, I do, but he corrected the problem once someone made him aware of it,
didn't he?

I've disagreed with jp2 a lot in the past, but I seriously doubt he'd
deliberately fill up a partition with trash.


#15 of 47 by dah on Tue Oct 28 02:50:03 2003:

He did it again; check for yourself.


#16 of 47 by gelinas on Tue Oct 28 04:36:39 2003:

I doubt it's jp2 filling up the disk.  However, I've sent him a message about
the problem.


#17 of 47 by asddsa on Tue Oct 28 06:00:20 2003:

Good idea.  I wouldn't trust jp2 for a second.  He'll encourage you to violate
all sorts of rules and laws.


#18 of 47 by dah on Tue Oct 28 06:05:07 2003:

To:  gelinas:

Oh please.  For it to've happened TWICe, jp2'd've had to have left world
 writable files around AFTER he already had a problem with that.  I
think  jp2's technical acchievments (writing software for OpenBSD,
sattelite  launching, etc.) would leave him that technologically clumsy.
 Frankly,  it's obvious jp2's purposely leaving around world writable
files, and  either fattening them either tacitly or himself.


#19 of 47 by dah on Tue Oct 28 06:08:04 2003:

Please fix all obvious grammar issues mentally.


#20 of 47 by asddsa on Tue Oct 28 06:09:58 2003:

And of course, the wonderful GreX staff has decided, once again, to impose
their interpretations of their "rules" onto the GreX public.  Instead of those
files being deleted, they were simply left alone!  And yet, users can have
their passwords reset _ON THE FIRST GO_.  Preposterous!


#21 of 47 by asddsa on Tue Oct 28 06:10:28 2003:

Big slip; internet connection died.


#22 of 47 by dah on Tue Oct 28 06:17:14 2003:

"About James Howard     


James Howard was born in Dayton, OH in 1979 and moved to the Washington 
metropolitan area in 1998 to attend the University of Maryland, 
graduating in 2002 with a bachelor of science in mathematics. He knows 
Unix inside and out having run an ISP for a long distance company, 
designed protocols for satellite communications, and served as a member 
of the technical staff of Arbornet. He's worked as a contractor for 
multiple government agencies in the Washington-area, served on the board
 of directors at Arbornet, held political appointments at the local 
government level, and designed portions of the OpenBSD operating system.
 Today, he's a mathematical programmer at the Federal Reserve."

Is that the sort of person who'd make such an elementary slip-up?  I 
think not.


#23 of 47 by jp2 on Tue Oct 28 11:21:44 2003:

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#24 of 47 by dah on Tue Oct 28 12:16:46 2003:

Ah HA!  Before you were claiming it WAS me who did it, but now, when 
called on it, can't prove it.  Is this how you'll conduct yourself as a 
member of the Board of Directors?


#25 of 47 by gull on Tue Oct 28 14:06:09 2003:

<forget>


#26 of 47 by mynxcat on Tue Oct 28 15:32:03 2003:

jp2 was born in Dayton? I thought his home-town was close to 
Cincinatti?



#27 of 47 by davel on Tue Oct 28 15:46:50 2003:

<forget>


#28 of 47 by jp2 on Tue Oct 28 16:39:24 2003:

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#29 of 47 by mynxcat on Tue Oct 28 18:06:35 2003:

Ok


#30 of 47 by asddsa on Wed Oct 29 14:05:18 2003:

I hope the staff remembers not to convict people soley on 
circumstantial evidence.


#31 of 47 by styles on Fri Oct 31 06:34:36 2003:

do you like my fist?


#32 of 47 by dah on Fri Oct 31 16:55:29 2003:

I think jp2's account should be splatted.  He at very least provided 
the means for an anonymous attack on Grex.


#33 of 47 by jp2 on Fri Oct 31 18:13:12 2003:

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#34 of 47 by dah on Fri Oct 31 22:00:20 2003:

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#35 of 47 by dah on Fri Oct 31 22:02:23 2003:

jp2, if that were true, surely I'd be splattered by now.  Frankly, you're the
only person who we know with absolute certainty is guilty.


#36 of 47 by glenda on Fri Oct 31 22:30:23 2003:

Frankly, we know nothing of the sort.  We only have your word for it, and
frankly, I don't trust you any more than I do Mr. Bush.


#37 of 47 by cross on Fri Oct 31 22:57:45 2003:

Regarding #35; Sorry, that was just lack of time.  Of course, dah won't be
able to read this, as I've locked his account for vandalizing jp2's.  It
seemed pretty obvious that he was the culprit.  Perhaps if he asks nicely
and promises to behave like a big boy, we'll unlock it.

There's a lesson in this.  If you're going to be juvenile enough to
vandalize someone else's account, at least be careful to cover your
tracks.  That includes your test `probes' in the target user's directory.


#38 of 47 by scholar on Fri Oct 31 23:12:09 2003:

Sorry, but the dah account isn't locked.  Try again.


#39 of 47 by cross on Sat Nov 1 00:53:37 2003:

Yes it is.  Perhaps the dah user isn't (but then, we all knew you'd
come back and login again, didn't we?).


#40 of 47 by scholar on Sat Nov 1 01:18:06 2003:

No, the account simply isn't locked.


#41 of 47 by cross on Sat Nov 1 01:41:42 2003:

Yes, it really is.


#42 of 47 by salad on Tue Nov 4 22:49:52 2003:

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#43 of 47 by salad on Tue Nov 4 22:51:48 2003:

re 37  you locked more than just dah's account.  Or have you forgotten?


#44 of 47 by twenex on Tue Nov 18 17:19:37 2003:

What an utterly useless item and a waste of space.

Looks like dah created it in his own image.


#45 of 47 by mfp on Wed Sep 22 02:27:05 2004:

Point.


#46 of 47 by naftee on Fri Sep 24 06:13:06 2004:

Almost a year later.


#47 of 47 by jesuit on Wed May 17 02:14:22 2006:

TROGG IS DAVID BLAINE


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