Item 6 in this conferences, which is now frozen wbut was previously thawed, has been vandalized, presumably by valerie or her ghost incarnate. Several responses, from several users, among them naftee, dcat, scholar, and our own lovable keesan, have been chopped off the end. This doesn't show up in the item itself anymore, which suggests the vandal tried to cover their tracks by deleting the responses directly in the file, rather than going through picospan, fronttalk, or backtalk, all of which would leave the headers of the responses intact as well as keeping thorough logs. The question, then, is whether or not Grex is going to continue its persistent habit of allowing staff censorship of users.25 responses total.
did those responses deal with Grex cfadm business?
They did, though, even if they didn't, that fact ought not be used to justify their censorship; there is no reason to delete responses simply because they are off topic, and it is Grex's long-standing and unviolated custom to act in accordance with this.
Indeed, the deletion of those responses can even be said to cause Picospan to balk: Item 6: Cfadm's Log Item Entered by Walter Cramer (i) (cfadm) on Sun, Dec 20, 1998 (13:56): <item is frozen> There aren't that many responses! Response not possible. Pass? Regardless, I thank scholar for bringing to the attention of all GreX users the censorshop that has befallen including but not limited to myself, keesan and scholar.
re 1 Many of those responses dealt with thanking the cfadm, which, as many of the friendly (but tired) GreX staffers know, does not come that often. Having my "thank you" response deleted, I belive, is a kick in the face.
Perhaps I should rephrase that question. Were those responses entered by staff dealing with cfadm business?
To my knowledge, the people who entered the items were not staff members, but there is nothing in the way Grex has operated to even begin to suggest that it is acceptable to censor responses simply because the people who wrote them were not staff members. Too, it cannot be claimed that the responses were in anyway harmful to Grex; quite to the contrary, they were eminently useful, though, of course, this usefulness has been lost.
Indeed, there is *nothing* in item 6 which even *suggests* that it's a "staff-only" item. Finding this item thawed, you can hardly blame the various users or responding to it. However, were the item thawed *but* with the direction that its intent wwere staff-only, I'm sure the many users who would have responded to it would have respected the rule and refrained from responding. Note that neither of these cases give the staff the explicit right to delete the content of the item via the raw file.
here is circumstantial evidence that the raw file was modified: The last response in item 6 is as follows: #74 of 74: by Walter Cramer (i) (cfadm) on Tue, Mar 22, 2005 (07:23): Added the standard items, updated the aliases in /bbs/conflist, and opened agora53 (aka Spring 2005 Agora) to the public. However if we have a look at the directory entry: -r--r--r-- 1 cfadm software 19364 Mar 22 17:25 /bbs/coop13/_6 We can clEARLY see that something fish-y happened to-day to that item.
cfadm Tue Mar 22 17:26:37 2005 PicoSpan file owner One minute after the vandalism occured? Looks like we have a suspect.
i Tue Mar 22 17:30:27 2005 Walter Cramer Doesn't look like cfadm was hacked, does it?
Item 6 looks OK to me. What makes you think something is missing?
Because I logged in a couple times and responded to that item a couple times. Suddenly the responses entered by both myself and some other users are missing. Unfortunately, we not only think, we know :(
Re. 11: Yes. Both naftee and me, as well as a number of other Grexists, including keesan, all entered responses in the item. They have since been deleted, which is what the error message posted by soup indicates. The error message, unfortunetly, only comes up for those who read the item after the responses but before the deletion. That would make what happened more apparent.
dude. i've never been "soup" on GreX.
You're soup everywhere.
right. Just like you're sa everywhere.
[a twit converses with himself as if he's actually 2 different people]
I don't know why so many people think scholar/polytarp/* and naftee are the same person. I guess people's eye glaze over similarly when either one posts, making it difficult to notice the differences. I don't doubt that they responded to item 6 and that those responses have been deleted. I don't know who deleted them. Going by my personal moral values, I'd say that deleting them was one of several possible perfectly sensible responses to the problem, and not in any way a problem. In light of Grex's "every word is sacred" habit, I'm a bit surprised that anyone chose that option, as it was sure to inspire a stupid item like this one. Probably whoever deleted it should say they did so so they can recieve the customary flogging and get on with life.
beat him, daddy
8 to the bar!
Well, I suppose that most people know that there are two of them, but when a new account is created it just doesn't seem worth the effort to figure out which moron is which this time since the difference doesn't seem particularly important. If you look at the history of antisocial actions, the dyad seems one of the more problematic structures. If you have just one loser then you are unlikely to see much of a result, but if you have two losers then they can reinforce one another and egg each other on to greater and greater depths of retardation. Consider Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, or Eric and Lyle Menendez, or Eddie Murphy and Nick Nolte. It's kind of like that but with fewer guns and more transsexual hookers.
AND MORE BRAZILLIANS ahAHA NO MORE LIKE MARCVH IS A FAGGOT
Look at Danny Bonnaducci and Rip Taylor.
Nicely put, Marc.
TROGG IS DAVID BLAINE
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