Grex Oldcoop Conference

Item 207: Nominations for the 2005 Grex Board of Directors

Nominations are now open for the Cyberspace Communications, Inc.
Board of Directors. In accordance with Article 4, Section d of
the Bylaws, nominations will close on November 15 and an online
election will be held December 1 through December 15. Terms of
office begin on January 1, 2005, and are two years in length.
Three seats are up for election this time around.

Any current member of Grex who has paid at least 3 months'
membership dues is eligible to run for and serve on the Board
unless they are currently serving and are completing the second
of two consecutive terms. (People in the latter group are
eligible to run again in next year's election if they are
still members at that time.)

The terms of four board members have one more year to run:
S. Lynne Fremont (slynne), Bruce Howard (bhoward), Larry 
Kestenbaum (polygon), and Mary Remmers (mary).  Hence there is
no point in nominating any of them.

The three board members whose terms end on December 31 are
Mark Conger (aruba), Joe Gelinas (gelinas), and Anne Perry
(mooncat).  Joe Gelinas is completing his first term and is
eligible to run for re-election.  Mark Conger and Anne Perry
are completing the second of two consecutive terms and are
therefore *not* eligible to run this time, although they can
run in future elections.

To appear on the ballot, a person must be nominated in this
item by November 15 and affirmatively accept the nomination
in this item before the start of voting on December 1.  Seconds
are not required.  Self-nominations are permitted.  

I nominate Anne Perry.

I nominate Joe Gelinas, he's been great on the board and think he 
should stick around for another term.

(thanks for the nomination, but I'm not eligible. :) I served my time, 
I'm free damnit!! well, almost...)

I second the nomination of Joe Gelinas.  I'd also like to nominate John
Remmers.

I nominate Mark A Conger.

I gratefully accept the nomination. :)

I nominate Scott Helmke.  I would be happy to nominate Jan but I bet he is
too busy.  

I second the nominations of John Remmers and Scott Helmke, and third the
nomination of Joe Gelinas.  I'm with Sindi on Jan.

I nominate Jan Wolter, Sindi Loo Keesan, Valerie Mates with Krauts, Joel
Joelinas, and Danielle Cross.

Thank you for the nomination Sindi, but I'm not interested in running.

I nominate Scott Helmke, Form Empl E., and myself.

Since aruba is out again (sigh - unless he is happy to be out) note that
someone from the board will have to succeed him as treasurer effective
January 2005.

I nominate Kevin Albaugh.

The membership could vote to add an extra seat to the board of directors,
which would be a permanent board seat assigned to the treasurer.  With the
proviso that the treasurer only ever votes as a board member to break a
tie.  The treasurer would not vote to make quorum or for any other reason.
It would be for most intents and purposes a non-voting board position.  Or
just change the bylaws to say that the treasurer doesn't necessarily have
to be a member of the board.

Inasmuch as precedent has been set and grex accepts out of state board
members who attend the meeting by telephone, I nominate Morena Timm, aka
Munkey.  She runs the grexergallery.net page.  can't think of anyone more
committed to this place than she is.

I nominate Richard J. Wallner.

i nominate richard wallner too.

thanks but no thanks, I'm too much of an anarchist to be on the 
board.  :)  

I nominate Richard J. Wallner, Jim Daloonik, and Reverend Dalvador Dali
Parton, though not necessarily in that order.

I second the nomination for the Reverend Partoon.

I fully nominate Jim Daloonik.

I regret that I can't run this time.  I think the next Grex board is one that
is going to have some work to do.  With Grex's revenues dipping the time has
come to make some changes, and the board is going to have to be in the drivers
seat on many of these.

I think Grex needs to move out of the pumpkin.  We need to be looking for a
lower cost location with better network bandwidth.  My preference of all the
options I've heard discussed would be the Ann Arbor District Library.  I think
that is doable, but it is going to require quite a lot of legwork and
saleswork to get that deal done.  I bet there are other non-commerical options
that might also be possible, and finding those will require even more energy.
Commercial co-location is also a viable alternative, and the deal is likely
easier to make, but still not trivial.

I still like the retroGrex idea, but it probably isn't compatible with moving
out of the pumpkin.  I think if we do retroGrex we'd probably have to house
it someplace like somebody's basement.  It could still be retro.grex.org even
if it wasn't in the same physical place as grex.org.

I think we also need to do some creative thinking about the services Grex
provides.  I hope to be working on some of these issues from a technical end,
doing things like RSS and email notification which have a chance of increasing
usership of the conferences.  But there are policy issues here too.

So I think we need a board that is more active than usual at this juncture
if Grex is going to return to a growth mode rather than continuing to dwindle.

I'm not exactly sure who the right people are.  One obvious candidate,
if he's willing, would be Dave Cahill.

I nominate Jan Wolter.

I completely and utterly nominate More Femme Please, our Form Empl E.

I'll nominate krj because well, I can't pester him about running unless
he's nominated :)  But actually most who end up in Party during the
lurking hours know that krj is a fine source for learning about grex's
history, as he's been around longer than most as he's been around here for
years.  He'd be a fine board member.  

In keeping with some prestigious and generous tradition, I nominate Jim
Daloonik and Richard Jay Wallner.

I nominate Larry Kestenbaum and third Richard J Wallner.

I nominate (prestigiously) the aforementioned Tod Wilkinson.

This response has been erased.

After applying a rudimentary sanity filter to the above, I come
up with the following list of nominees who have not declined (real
names used when known or believed to be known):
 
         Joe Gelinas (gelinas)
         John Remmers (remmers)
         Sindi Keesan (keesan)
         Kevin Albaugh (albaugh)
         Morena Timm (munkey)
         Jim Daloonik (naftee)
         Dave Cahill (dpc)
         Todd Plesco (tod)
         Ken Josenhans (krj)
         David Hoffman (mfp)

Only mfp has accepted so far (assuming that a self-nomination counts as
an acceptance).

John, might I invite your attention to Response #5, above?

Oops, missed that.  Joe has accepted his nomination.

I will second the nomination of krj

I would like to nominate kip

I'd like to nominate Kip too.

In due course I nominate John H. Remmers, Josephelle Gelinas, Slynne Fremont,
and Mark A Conger.

Isn't Kip already staff?  Is it fair to ask someone to wear two hats?.
Unless there are really not enough other people interested, I decline.
I am not good at politics and don't understand BSD very well either.

There are advantages to being on both Board and Staff.  If the person is
willing, I don't see any reason to bar them.

I nominate Sindi Keesan and Joseph "Elle" Gelleinas.

I would like to extend my gratitude in nominating and accepting to nominate
our very own sindiii keeesan, the Joseph Gelinas and of course are MFP, the
more or pleas

P.S. My name isn't Jim Daloonik; please update your bookmarks.@! 

I would like to formally nominate Jim Daloonik to the post/position of BM.

(I'll be happy to use your real name here if you tell me what it is.)

Please accept my invitation to the nomination of myself (naftee -> Brett
Vachon); thank you for updating your bookmarks; , Mr. Phillip Green of the
MFP, and our very own Dr. John Remmers, M.D. (Ph.D. Mathematics and
statistics).

I happily and am please to do so nominate John H. Remmers the First and
Possibly the Only and Brett Vachon.

I accept the nomination by mfp esquire

Henceforth let it be known that I announce nominations for mfp, the David of
Hoffmans, A. and Tod Wilkinson of the Plescow clan, Att: Seattle.

I nominate in due course and under duress Tod Wilkinson Booth and Brasdtt
Vachon.

Point of nomination has been reached for Dafid Hofman, of Hoffmann.

Aye duly noted and seconded by the man in the yellow propaganda gui t-shirt

I have this huge yellow T-Shirt with a pocket hwich is kinda tackily-arranged.

In keeping with the traditions of old, I duly in due course nominate for all
positions, titular and otherwise, both of the learned gentlefolks/gentlemen
named or otherwise Tod Wilkinson and Brett Vasdchon.

Pursuant to all sections relevant to the GreX BoD, I extend the nomination
to include Our Tod Megachump Wilson, and Mr dy/dx Hoffman, of German
tradition.

Point.

(I nominate in the good old fashioned way Brett Vachon who has now been
nonminmated in the good old fashioned way to any positions to which I or
anyone else can nominate him.)

Point taken, in parantheses, square brackets or otherwise curly braces, we
introduce the nominee of nominationitive Davide Hoffmanne (Not a woman!) for
hopes that he (Not a woman!) maye participate ine the electione of the boarde
(All are not women!)

Point.

(Jubilant nominations spring forthwards from the AEthaer for the afore-,
before-, and hencefore- mentioned Brett "Jimothy" Daloonik.)

Whereupon it is agreed by al l belle-filles of the A. Clan, we rediscover the
nomination of Mr. Fill Phil (MFP) Hoffman, David, aka. Point.

Pursuant to the specified articles in plantiff's case 5061, and let's keep
pursuing, Brett Vachon was rigtiously nominated to the congenital position
of Board Member of Grex, a positioons whose titular, fiscal, and legal
responsibilities will, if he is nominated, be pased on to his decendents in
the classical paro-natal model.

Notwithstanding the linear apporximation by Newton's method of the Point in
the GreX board of directors, hereupon we find nominations are due for David
Hoffman, mfp, in due course, of Liebnitz snooze tradition.

What do I think of sex?  I think it's here to stay.  What do I think of
naftee?  I think he's here to stay too.  Taht's why I nominate him for the
elction of gRExist in Charge (with badge given to winner).

Sex , naftee, and polytarp on the BoD (GreX) are all sweet things, and thus
the nominationitis syndrome has been duly administered to our very own mfp,
may he BoD forever!

In support of the industrial middle class, I nominate, of my own volition and
after due and sober consideration, Brett Vachon for the position of
GreX/NeXtGreX BM in hopes that he will revive and support thr traditions of
liberalism.

Are we finished?  No!  We continue and will due so in due course until he due
date, nominations of David Hoffman, Esq. of the University of Toronto, Canada,
for the GreX board of Directors, Esq, Ann Arbor, in God we Trust.

In keeping with the maxim that prostitues, pastries, and nominations of naftee
to the position of BM are necessary for a just society, I nominate Brett
Vachon to the position of Board Member of the esteemed and soon to be
mentioned GreX Board of Directiors.

A little over ten days marks the end of what has been, and what will be,
namely, the nomination, propagation and admittance of David Hofofman to the
Polytarp BOD of GreX Board of Directors, for which we wish him luck in his
endeavours.

Drawn mainly from varios works of great and powerful philosophers, the
following truism struck a certain reverance into the head of all who
listended:

Forbeit true that Brett "Naftee" Vachon, for reasons similar to those give
for the embarment of the far side of Museum Station, has been and will be
nominated, in accordance with the liberal tration, to the position heretooff
and foreever more lawfully wedded BM, Brett "N." Vachon, B.M., Hon. B.M., L.S.

I'll make my perennial (literally!) nomination of Colleen McGee for the
Board, in the perennial hope that one of these years she'll accept.

I nominate John H. Remmers.

I nominate myself, Steve Van Loon.  I also accept the nomination.

Steve Van Loon, John Remmers, and of course David "Hoffman" Polytarp, are all
in due course nominated to the GreX board of directors.

To the sound of great rejoicing, I nominate Steve Van Loon and Brett Vachon
to the GreX Board of Directors.

Nominating is the spice of life, and David Hoffman, as nominated, is the
jalapeno pepper of the GreX B0D.

If reason's only purpose is to edify faith in unbelievers, I'm afraid there's
no reason to nominate Brett Vachon.  However, that is not reason's only
purpose, and thus with the weight of reason behind me, I nominate Brett Vachon
to the GreX BoD.

What is similar about a ballpoint pen and the GreX Bod?  The answer is of
course that neither can swim in an unsalted ocean; but for everything else,
including Mastercard, we have our very own David Hoffman, who is as of this
momment nominated to the GreX Board of Directors.';

question-- has any one of those currently nominated been grex 
treasurer before, or would be willing to be so now?  Since Aruba's 
term is up, and I don't get the impression that any of the current 
board members want responsibility for the books, its a fair question 
to ask.  Wasn't Remmers treasurer once?

Either that or they'll have to draw straws at the first board meeting 
of the new year.  Whoever draws the short straw has to be treasurer 
whether they want it or not   :)

The board is chock-full of people who care a whole lot about
Grex.  Some of us would do a better job of being treasurer
than others, and Mark will be a hard act to follow.  But it
will work out.  I think this is one of those areas where you
have to trust that those you give (or have given) the job, will
do the job.  In the past this decicion has always been made
among the board members.  If you try to make it a condition 
of running for the board, I fear you'll scare away some mighty
good candidates.

I am pleased to draw the two longest nomination straws and extend them to Mary
H Remmers and Richard J Wallner.

(For the record, I was never treasurer.)

Ok - did a tour of responses and came up with the following list
of nominees.  I didn't list anybody who declined.  An 'A' after
their login means they've accepted, and 'M' means that as best
I can determine, they are currently members.  (Membership and
payment of at least 3 months' dues is a condition for running).  
Please correct me if I missed any names, acceptances, or
declinations.

        gelinas         A M
        remmers           M
        munkey
        naftee          A
        krj               M
        mfp             A
        kip               M
        keesan            M
        tod             A M
        cmcgee            M
        vanloons        A M

The last day to enter names in nomination is Monday, November 15.
Voting starts on December 1.  To appear on the ballot, a person
must accept their nomination in this item before the start of
voting and must meet the membership requirements by that time
as well.

There are a few nominees who haven't responded in this item and
who might not be aware that they've been nominated.  I'll send
them an email alert.

re #76
That's pretty sad if you have to tell a nominee to come read the coop cf so
they can accept.

I declined after someone mentioned earlier that I had been nominated.
If you cannot come up with enough more competent candidates I might
reconsider, assuming someone else from my part of town is also going to be
going to the meetings, which are now held on the extreme northern or eastern
fringes of my daytime world.  

Thanks, Cindy!

I nominate (In successive and decessive order) Brett Vachon, Richard "I'm not
a Nazi and Neither is Nietzsche" Wagner, the ever lovable Mary Remmers,
Bohemian John Remmers, Grex's stalwart guardian, Todd Plescow, and Sindi "I
don't smell like cat piss" Keesan.

With a fistful of hay and a baleful of good will, we find in nominee debt
a gratitude of platitudes in the form of Tod Plesco, Sindi Kee-san, and our
very own David Hoffman, to which we can ascribe the acronym TP-SK-DH, 
which mostly resembles a license plate in the State of Ohio.

Re #76 - Got your email Mr. Remmers, thanks I guess. I would accept but I'm
not a member.

We all want to be in Evanston, Ohio, and, believing Mrs Morena Timm capable
of getting us there, we nominate her.

What has more momentum than ric falling down the stairs and yet is more
powerful than the normal force?  One might guess the GreX BoD, but we could
be wrong.  Regardless, we nominate our resident funkeymunkey and our ever
present form empl e.

When the conservatives were worried about a slippery slope, they were right.

Not only do us liberals want fags to get married; we now want to marry naftee
to the position of Grex BoDM, and so we nominate him.

Whether you're south or north of the border, one thing is for certain, Ann
Arbor is most definitely to the south, and David Hoffman is veering the GreX
BoD towards the north with his nomination.

Ottawa is as far north of Ann Arbor as Ann Arbor is of Kentucky.  Think about
it.

That's why we should nominate people from Ottaawa to replace those from Ann
Arbor, and, sicnce Brett Vachon is from Ottawa, I nominate him.

I second the nomination of Brett "Anything Goes" Vachon.

Todd's probably great and stuff, so I nominate him.

Yeah guys, putting all symptoms of citydom aside, I'm going to third the
nomination of Tod and David, stars.

Aplogies to Sindi for missing that she declined.  I also missed
Dave Cahill's nomination, so I'll add

        dpc               M

to the list and email him.

Note that regarding accepting and declining, one can always change one's
mind up to the start of voting on December 1.

Please add me to the "nomination declined" list.

I nominate our infalliable hardworking Hohn J Remmers and the great
scientist/musician Ken "Rap & Folk" Josenhaumous.

I accept my nomination.

YAH!

I nominate John Remmers, Ken "Chosenhands" Josenhans, Brett Vachon, David
"Don't make a mountain out of this" Cahill, and Josephelle Gelleinas.

I nominate Brat Vashon Island winery to the board with absolute conviction.

A nomination for Todd Plescow was most graciously received from mfp.

Bang ! Bling !  Blong!  These are the sounds of failure as they hit the ground
and pave the way for our new nominees, namely, David "The First" Cahill, Josep
Gellinas, David "The Seconde" Hoffmann, and "Odd Todd" Plesco.

Thanks Mr.Judge

Is anyone actually taking any notice of who naftee is nominating? Not that
I think they should.

I may be insane enough to have been prescribed Paxil, but I don't have to be
crazy to nominate Todd and Geoff!

What a great pair we have up.  Guys, pay attention.  Notice we're nominating
our tod, are Geoff and hour David!@

Richard asked about who's been treasurer in the past - Grex has had 4
treasurers: valerie, danr, aruba, and flem.

I nominate Brett "In Fashion" Vachon and Marc A. Konger.

I nominate Mark "African Drumming" Conger and David "Aspirated Aitch" Hoffman

I nominate Brett "I go for walks in the park" Vachon.

What's recursive nomination without a base case?  What's the GreX Bod (as we
know, goes in circles!) without the base mfp?  With this lemma we can safely
nominate David Hoffman.

I nominate Daisy and Uncle Jesse

Di-Lemma:  I nominate:  1)  Naftee; and 2) Todd.

tod 8D mfp --> theboard

I'd like to nominate Eric Bassey.

Please take this the right way and ignore the unlucky+100:  I nominate Mary
Remmers.

I'[d like to nominate the Brett Vachon and the Mary Remmers.

I nominate Aryeh Friedman.  But instead of him, let's nominate David Hoffman.

I'd also like to nominate Aryeh Friedman, but I'm not sure that's within my
skill, so instead I nominate Brett Vachon.

In case I haven't mentioned it yet, I nominate David Hoffman.

I nominate Brett Vachon.

Nominations are now closed.  Nominees have until the start of voting
on December 1 to decide whether to accept and to get their membership
in order.  Mail aruba@cyberspace.org if you have questions about your
membership status.

I'll post a list of nominees later.

What are the commands to look at membership status, etc?

Try !member at command prompt near you.

Yea...but what are the flags etc to get mroe than just a list of current
members? Isn't there something that will show dates, etc?

I suspect not.  As I understand the "member" command, it merely reads
/etc/group, formatting the output more or less nicely.

I looked at the grex-scripts and now see it just scans the /etc/group as you
suggest.  That's a bummer.

What do you want to know, Tod?

Not to make comparisons, but on the M-Net member program, you can look at
people's duration of membership and expiry dates, etc.
I would like to get some stats on who the new members are, who the lifers are,
and who the sporadic types are.

Can you give a cogent reason why that information should be public?

(Not that I think it shouldn't be, I just can't at the moment think of a
particular reason why it should be.)

I dont think its a requirement; just a nice feature.

Yeah, the information about when people expire is not stored online.  I feel
it's a bit of a violation of people's privacy.  With that info, for
instance, you could figure out who pays yearly and who pays month-to-month.

How is that an invasion of privacy?

Dunno if it is, but it's probably none of [your] damn business, either.

That's a nice attitude.  No wonder so many fine people are volunteering.

Well, people complain about having to show ID to the treasurer, so it 
stands to reason that people might be sensitive about information 
regarding their member status. 

Yeah, there might be some people who are ashamed of supporting a volunteer-run
organization.

I don't know for sure, but I suspect, that some people who pay
month-to-month do so because they don't feel they have enough cash reserves
to pay for a whole year at once (which would save them money).  They might
not like everyone to know that.

I've just emailed all the nominees -- regardless whether they've
accepted, declined, or haven't indicated -- reminding them that
November 30 is the last day to accept the nomination and
establish voting membership.

Here's the nominee list that I scraped from this item.  Apologies
in advance for any inaccuracies.  The letters 'A' and 'D' stand
for "accept" and "decline", respectively.  Again, anybody can
change their mind before December 1.

        albaugh
        cmcgee
        dpc        A
        gelinas    A
        happyboy
        janc       D
        keesan     D
        kip
        krj        D
        mfp        A
        munkey     D
        naftee
        other
        remmers 
        richard    D
        scott      D
        tod        A
        vanloons   A

In the event that I decide to accept my own nomination, would
it be okay to handle that as in the past:  Have somebody other
than myself -- perhaps a staff person who isn't a candidate --
check the final count?

That sounds acceptable to me. 

Sounds good to me too.

Thanks remmers!

Thanks to everyone who accepted and I hope others will do the same.

five nominees for three open seats?  I think remmers better run or mfp would
be in danger of being elected :)

While there are technically three "open" seats, one of them is held
by an incumbent who is running for re-election.  Such folks are strongly
favored to win.

So there are only two seats lacking an incumbent.

Thanks remmers

Who's the incumbent?!

I've decided to pass on running for the Board.

Again, folks have until the end of the day (EST) to accept their nomination.
I've asked the treasurer to make sure membership information is up-to-date,
as this determines eligibility to run.  I'll make up the final ballot and
turn on the vote program tomorrow, December 1, as early in the day as I can
get to it.

I passed the membership info on to remmers.

The polls are now open.  Candidates are dpc, gelinas, tod, vanloons.

To vote from a tty (telnet, ssh, dialup) connection, type 'vote' at a
Unix shell prompt or '!vote' at just about any other prompt.  To vote
on the web, go to http://cyberspace.org/cgi-bin/pw/voting-booth .

Candidates are reminded (I sent mail about this a few days ago) that
they can create a campaign statement that the vote program will display.
See my email for instructions; email me if you're having problems
setting it up, and I'll provide technical assistance.

Thanks, John!  I just voted, and the statements all looked fine.

Gelinas' statement had some aspects that looked vaguely familiar...  ;)

re #147
I'm kinda bummed I didn't find out about this e-mail before the elections
started because I had an old campaign statement in there.  I hope it didn't
negatively impact any votes I may have received.

I did not see any campaign statement for you when I ran the vote program, tod.
Let us know if you add one.  People can revote.  

I added one with permissions that allow people to even read it. I'm proud of
it.  Please go back and re-read it.  Re-read it a few times if you like. Its
FREE!

thanks,. tod!

thanks, tod!

Tomorrow, Wednesday Dec. 15, is the LAST DAY to vote.  The election
is over at the end of the day.

Obligatory reminder:  Last day to vote.

thanks, big guy.

Get your voting done!

Election results:  40 out of 67 eligible members cast ballots.

    Joe Gelinas      37
    Dave Cahill      30
    Steve Van Loon   30
    Todd Plesco      10

Joe Gelinas, Dave Cahill, and Steve Van Loon are elected.  Congratulations
to them, and thanks to all the candidates for participating.

Wow!  I'm grateful for the confidence the members have in me.
Congrats to Joe and Steve also.

Congratulations Joe, Dave and Steve!

Congrats Gents!
Now get to work! ;)

Congratulations to the winners, and thanks to all the candidates for being
willing to serve!

Thanks Mark.  Its going to take a bit of work to replace you.

Electing Joe Gelinas was a mistake.  :(

Thank you, people. :)

Congratulations, Dave and Steve.

Congrats, all.

mpf, your admonition will be given all the consideration it's due.

It won't be, and it's because you guys don't have critical thinking skills
that are as well-developed as mine.

Critical stinking skills?  No, I guess ours wouldn't be as well
developed as yours.

Out of curiousity, can we get a count of the non-member vote?

Oh yes, I usually post that, slipped my mind.  Here's the non-member
vote:
        dpc        27
        gelinas    22
        tod        21
        vanloons   31

That's actually a bit closer to the member vote than is usually the case.
On past occasions, the non-member rankings were sometimes almost the exact
opposite of the member rankings.

The guy who least uses BBS gets the most votes. LOL

Hey, maybe he lurks a lot and posts via a pseudo, because he's demur or ???

I think the trend is to trust strangers or else to see that someone is willing
to do work on hardware.

The Board doesn't work on hardware.

congratulations, tod!  Glad to have you a-board, rather than that Joe 
Gelinas guy.

I bet the partiers are mostly non-members.  

Actually, I'd bet the opposite.  Does anyone have a rough count of who's
normally in party that is also a member and what % that might be in terms of
logins, as opponsed to lines of typing?

Thank you everybody.  I just got back from India last night and today 
is the first day that I could actually get in and look at Grex info.

People I often see in party- mfp, remmers, kfj and tod.

I see you TOO!

Whoa, that's crazy!

I see both of you, but only when you're on my left.

There was this kid's TV program 40 years ago called "Land of Play".  The
hostess would look into a mirror or something and say "I see Billy, I see
Kristin".  That's what those "I see xxx" comments made me think of...  :-)

Yikes. I remember that weirdness.

I see mfp, but he never talks to me.

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