Grex Oldcoop Conference

Item 174: Why?

Entered by realprde on Wed May 12 15:00:17 2004:

Why is GreX's staff spending time harassing users, when, not only is 
the new, NextGreX not being worked on, but OldGreX's Internet 
connection has been falling apart for weeks?
30 responses total.
#1 of 30 by kip on Wed May 12 15:07:38 2004:

Because staff gets busy responding to all the various emails, requests and
complaints that come into this system and that takes up a fair amount of staff
time that could perhaps be more usefully applied to those other things you
mentioned.

I'm pretty sure that there is no way to make everyone happy.  Had I responded
to other complaints first, I'm sure there would be a complaint about staff
not dealing with a copyright infringement issue.  It's a juggling act and
we're doing the best we can. 

Sorry that it's not making you happy.

#2 of 30 by tod on Wed May 12 15:17:31 2004:

When did staff start caring about copyrights and what are your qualifications
for identifying direct, contributory, or vicarious infringements?  Aren't
staffers supposed to be doing more important things like investigating the
SDSL?  That'll be the closest you can get to "make everyone happy" rather than
your minute account freezing of users that "annoy" you.

#3 of 30 by aruba on Wed May 12 15:36:55 2004:

Grex has always had a policy of removing copyrighted material when requested
to do so.  This has come up several times before.

#4 of 30 by tod on Wed May 12 15:41:47 2004:

It makes total sense.  The only part I'm a little fuzzy on is the freezing
of user accounts. Why does that occur and what happens afterward?

#5 of 30 by jp2 on Wed May 12 15:48:46 2004:

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#6 of 30 by tod on Wed May 12 15:51:31 2004:

re #5
Was your material protected by copyright?

#7 of 30 by jp2 on Wed May 12 18:20:00 2004:

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#8 of 30 by jp2 on Wed May 12 18:20:53 2004:

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#9 of 30 by tod on Wed May 12 18:32:06 2004:

What do you mean "automatic"?  Did you have put copyright notice on the
material prior to its infringement?

#10 of 30 by kip on Wed May 12 18:42:03 2004:

I believe JP is referring to the Berne Convention which entered into force
in the US on March 1, 1989 which basically means that your copyright is
already automatic for materials written since then.

#11 of 30 by jp2 on Wed May 12 19:03:54 2004:

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#12 of 30 by tod on Wed May 12 19:16:39 2004:

I didn't know you were a publisher..

#13 of 30 by cyklone on Wed May 12 20:51:22 2004:

Nevertheless, I believe jp is correct. I also fail to see why simply deleting
the offending post, which aruba claims is existing grex policy, led to the
more intrusive locking of the user's account.

#14 of 30 by tod on Wed May 12 21:25:13 2004:

Isn't locking the user's account part of the standard procedure for dealing
with copyright infringement? Don't tell me this list I'm compiling of
infringements by Grexers won't result in account lockout. C'mon! ;)

#15 of 30 by soup on Wed May 12 23:10:49 2004:

WAIT...wasn't it said that there is no standard policy on GreX?

#16 of 30 by realprde on Wed May 12 23:11:17 2004:

It was said.

#17 of 30 by aruba on Thu May 13 05:15:31 2004:

Note: I am not a staff member, so I don't know exactly how staff has dealt
with this in the past.  I do know that posts were removed (which kip did),
but I don't know if accounts were locked.  It sounds like kip consulted
with other staff members before he did what he did.

#18 of 30 by jp2 on Thu May 13 12:46:23 2004:

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#19 of 30 by albaugh on Fri May 14 18:33:56 2004:

I have no problem with the additional "punishment" of account locking (which
has subsequently been undone):  This wasn't an accidental case of posting a
work unknown to be copyrighted, or not understanding copyrights:  realugly
deliberately posted someone else's work and called it his own.  I don't have
proof, but I think it highly likely it was done hoping to get a reaction,
i.e. he acted like a punk.

#20 of 30 by twenex on Fri May 14 20:09:11 2004:

I wouldn't be too surprised if ugger bugger *didn't* understand copyright,
but ignorance is no defence.

#21 of 30 by jp2 on Fri May 14 20:20:47 2004:

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#22 of 30 by tod on Fri May 14 21:38:10 2004:

Lets just call it what it was.  Realugly posted something he found on the
Internet posted by another Grexer.  Intentions aside, we know that much
happened.  We also know the "other" Grexer complained about copyright.
Where it starts to get weird is when staff decided to lock the account of
Realugly after the scribbled the posting.  Why did staff feed a troll?

#23 of 30 by scott on Sat May 15 12:13:13 2004:

Why do *you* feed the trolls, Todd?

#24 of 30 by albaugh on Sun May 16 00:07:10 2004:

Re: #21:  What exactly did jep personally do to / on grex worthy of locking
his account?  As you knew before you asked the question, if anyone's account
should have been locked, it would have been valerie's.

#25 of 30 by realugly on Sun May 16 02:15:48 2004:

Hey, weren't you the guy who just said something about how staff's never
abused their priviledges, and that's why we should allow them to arbitrarily
make rules?

#26 of 30 by tod on Sun May 16 16:21:34 2004:

re #23
2legit2quit

#27 of 30 by soup on Sun May 16 17:59:05 2004:

2kewl4u

#28 of 30 by jp2 on Mon May 17 13:57:19 2004:

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#29 of 30 by soup on Mon May 17 14:09:37 2004:

jep posted material he had created without his permission

#30 of 30 by jesuit on Wed May 17 02:15:03 2006:

TROGG IS DAVID BLAINE

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