Grex Oldcoop Conference

Item 173: Timeout plz?

Entered by soup on Wed May 12 14:35:43 2004:

Someone killed the realugly account.

I demand reasoning.
35 responses total.
#1 of 35 by realprde on Wed May 12 14:37:48 2004:

This is absurd.

#2 of 35 by coopcf on Wed May 12 14:41:27 2004:

realugly account?  killed because of copyright infringement ?

Absurd, inaccurate, and real ugly.  This is an outrage.

#3 of 35 by kip on Wed May 12 15:09:04 2004:

locked, not killed.  It is a reversible process.

inaccurate?  Did realugly, in fact, write that poem?

#4 of 35 by tod on Wed May 12 15:15:29 2004:

Is locking accounts necessary in order to censor a questionable post?  Is Grex
now playing copyright cop with every post and if so what are the guidelines?
Please direct us to the original authorship work of expression which was
posted with a copyright notice, Perry Mason.  This censorship stuff is out
of hand and so is the lack of attention being payed to the consistent system
lockups being produced by the bum SDSL.

#5 of 35 by kip on Wed May 12 15:24:36 2004:

So now you would like me to spend more time on this discussion instead
of going down on my lunch hour to Grex to see about calling Corecomm
about the DSL issues?

Fine.

A quick google search of a few lines of the poem brought up this web page:
http://robots.net/person/U/

which appears to contain the same poem with the following copyright line:
(Copyright 1992, 1995 by Russ Cage.  All rights reserved.)

What else would you like me to spend more time on?
Because I would rather spend time making people happy with Grex than 
have to respond to copyright infringement complaints, but that's part
of the volunteer job too.

#6 of 35 by aruba on Wed May 12 15:35:13 2004:

Looks to me like you did the right thing, Kip.  Thanks!

#7 of 35 by tod on Wed May 12 15:39:41 2004:

If you had originally posted something in the system problems item stating
that you froze the realugly account for infringement on a "Copyright 1992,
1995 by Russ Cage." infringement then I wouldn't be asking so many questions.
Sorry if I tend to ask questions when I see users get censored but its a sore
spot due to recent events.

 So now you would like me to spend more time on this discussion instead
 of going down on my lunch hour to Grex to see about calling Corecomm
 about the DSL issues?
Don't be so melodramatic about being asked a few questions after you freeze
someone's account without telling them or the rest of the users why it
happened.  Would I like you to spend more time on this discussion? Not at this
point.  At this point, I'd like you to call Corecomm and tell them that Grex
would be better off with IDSL instead of the flakey SDSL.  That's not for me
to decide though so whatever you can accomplish on the DSL stuff THANK YOU!
 :)

#8 of 35 by twenex on Wed May 12 15:43:23 2004:

I support Kip's actions in the matter. Persons interested in denigrating staff
should note that disabling an account is easier than finding the money for
a compatible DSL router.

#9 of 35 by tod on Wed May 12 15:50:56 2004:

I support his actions now that I have the facts.  Anyone that feels I'm going
over the line by asking questions kindly go jump in a lake.

#10 of 35 by cmcgee on Wed May 12 15:54:37 2004:

I support kip's decision.  I don't think staff needs to alert everyone each
time they freeze an account.  I don't think staff needs to publically justify
and respond every time they do the right thing.

As I read this staff got a complaint from a copyright owner, responded to the
complaint, and is now being asked to publically justfy that behavior.  Too
much red tape and too much hassle for doing their VOLUNTEER job.

#11 of 35 by kip on Wed May 12 16:07:06 2004:

I don't mind the questions, I occasionally mind the tone, but I'm getting
better at that too.  :)

Anyway, I decided I was wasting too much time on this anyway, so I'm typing
this last little bit from the console with Corecomm on the phone.  Wish me
luck.

#12 of 35 by anderyn on Wed May 12 16:12:17 2004:

Definitely luck wished!

#13 of 35 by tod on Wed May 12 16:17:22 2004:

Thanks Kip!

#14 of 35 by aruba on Wed May 12 16:44:18 2004:

Good luck Kip - keep us posted.

#15 of 35 by kip on Wed May 12 16:52:03 2004:

Looks like CoreComm has kicked the ball to CoVaD (Is that the way they like
it capitalized?) and opened a ticket with them.  CoreComm is suggesting that
CoVaD will want to swap out our DSL modem, likely within the next 24-48 hours.
They have my name and number, I told them to give me 30 minutes notice to get
the Pumpkin open for them.

I'm fairly certain I'll be inside the I-94/M-14/US-23 triangle during that
time.

Meanwhile, I'm getting out of this hot room and going back to work at the
library.

#16 of 35 by twenex on Wed May 12 17:07:46 2004:

I don't mind the *questions*, either.

#17 of 35 by tod on Wed May 12 17:13:04 2004:

Thanks Kip.  I couldn't have imagined the shitty cablecom SDSL modem was the
problem!

#18 of 35 by kip on Wed May 12 18:34:44 2004:

Todd, I'm sure you must have dealt with technical support in the past.  You
have to jump through these silly hoops to get to the point where they'll do
that.  Besides, there was a small chance this could have been a line issue.

Anyway, I don't happen to have a spare DSL modem laying around and I didn't
see one in the Pumpkin either.

#19 of 35 by aruba on Wed May 12 18:42:38 2004:

We have one other DSL modem in the Pumpkin, but it's dead.

#20 of 35 by tod on Wed May 12 19:15:23 2004:

I have an IDSL Copper Mountain router that Grex is welcome to use if it will
fit the specs with CoreComm.

#21 of 35 by cyklone on Wed May 12 20:49:34 2004:

I fail to see why the less intrusive method of deleting the offending post
was not chosen over locking the offending user's account.

#22 of 35 by bru on Wed May 12 22:56:14 2004:

sounds reasonable to me.

#23 of 35 by kip on Thu May 13 11:32:34 2004:

Thanks Tod, but I don't believe that router will work with our type of
connection.

#24 of 35 by tod on Thu May 13 15:26:33 2004:

Can you get a list of acceptable routers from CoreComm?

#25 of 35 by kip on Thu May 13 22:35:03 2004:

The list from CoreComm was pathetically small.  They suggested a Netopia 4252
(which I can't even verify the existence of such a model) or a SpeedStream
5871.  It is a Covad SDSL connection.

#26 of 35 by tod on Thu May 13 23:13:59 2004:

Give me a mailing address where to send it, please.

#27 of 35 by kip on Thu May 13 23:45:08 2004:

Perhaps Aruba could accept it via the usual mailing address for membership?

I'm not certain that an IDSL router will work, oh wait,
http://www.coppermountain.com/solutions/coppercompatible.cfm#idsl seems to
suggest that it is compatible.  I wonder if the CoreComm tech got the whole
list wrong given the non-existence of the Netopia 4252.

#28 of 35 by aruba on Fri May 14 02:10:15 2004:

Tod: you should be able to send a package to the PO Box, I think, but if
that doesn't work you can send it to my home address.  It's in my .plan.

#29 of 35 by realugly on Fri May 14 02:20:13 2004:

Oh, hey, E.E. Cummings.  You should capitalize his name.  It's a myth that
he didn't capitalize it himself.

#30 of 35 by malymi on Fri May 14 03:34:16 2004:

on the one hand the speedstream 5871 is mentioned, which is an idsl
model, but on the other it's said to be sdsl service.  idsl and sdsl i
are not compatible, in any way.

#31 of 35 by tod on Fri May 14 04:47:57 2004:

5871 on the way

#32 of 35 by kip on Fri May 14 14:01:06 2004:

Thanks Tod.
Hopefully it will work.

#33 of 35 by tod on Fri May 14 15:35:27 2004:

The 5871 is in brand new condition. ;)
Oh..you mean with SDSL? Yes, it will work.  You'll probably need to reset the
password on it though(which can easily be done).

#34 of 35 by triluda on Mon May 31 11:22:10 2004:

can you spend less time being a pussy, kip, and perhaps more time on getting
a new modem; fuck where the poem came from try keeping up and stable.

#35 of 35 by jesuit on Wed May 17 02:15:03 2006:

TROGG IS DAVID BLAINE

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