Agenda: Grex Board of Directors Meeting Monday, April 12, 2004 1. 7:00 pm Opening Gavel Tap 2.. Treasurer's Report 3. Staff Report and Next Grex Update 4. Schedule Next Meeting 5. New Business 6. Closing Gavel Tap The meeting will be held at aruba's house. I will let him post directions.44 responses total.
(Can we gather a bit early, so that bhoward need call only once?)
sounds good to me
I live at 711 Duncan Street in Ann Arbor. Here are some directions:
Coming from outside Ann Arbor:
Take 94 to the Jackson Road exit (172). At the corner of Jackson and
Maple (the first light you come to), turn left. The second light after
that is Miller; turn right. Duncan is the second right. Turn right on
Duncan and go 3 or 4 blocks, past Haisley School. My house is on the
right - there's a "Slow Children" sign out front.
From Ann Arbor:
Take Miller road west from downtown. (Catherine becomes Miller when you
cross Main St.) Go a couple miles, and Duncan Street will be on your
left. Bruce Street is right before it, and if you get to the light at
Maple, turn around and go back. Turn onto Duncan, and then see above.
Here's a crude map:
\ | Maple
__\__|________ M14
/ \|
| |\
94 / | \
--------- | |\
\ | *| \ Miller
-----------|-----+- Duncan
Jackson Rd | |
|
\
\ 94
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That's awesome.
I'd like to see a letter sent to ArborWeb thanking them for the free advertising they gave Grex for the longest time. It seems the advertising has stopped and the announcement in the MOTD is gone too. And when I look at their advertising rates, even those for non-profits, I realize what a courtesy it was we had ads for so long. Maybe we could slip this into agenda?
You do know why they gave it to us for so long, don't you? Check out their webmaster.
Yes, very aware of that. But I think a thank you would still be nice.
I agree. And notch up an explicit dollar value to the costs of recent events.
So Valerie took another of her "toys" and ran home? BFD. Grex does a personal favor for a favored person, and still it isn't enough. I guess she won't be happy until someone creates a time machine to go back and undo history. There's a lesson in there somewhere. Maybe ya'll will learn it . . . .
I prefer to think this was a business decision, on the part of ArborWeb/AA Observer, and not more fall-out from Valerie. Their quoted rate for advertising non-profits is something like $75 a month. Maybe they could no longer carry Grex for free. Would anyone object to our sending a letter thanking them for the years of free advertising?
I think sending a letter is a good idea. It certainly is worth a discussion at the meeting. I have added it to the Agenda. Agenda: Grex Board of Directors Meeting Monday, April 12, 2004 1. 7:00 pm Opening Gavel Tap 2.. Treasurer's Report 3. Staff Report and Next Grex Update 4. Schedule Next Meeting 5. New Business *Thank You letter to ArborWeb 6. Closing Gavel Tap The meeting will be held at aruba's house. I will let him post directions.
> It seems the advertising has stopped and the announcement in the MOTD is gone too. < Does anyone know the cause of the advertising being stopped? Certainly if ArborWeb provided something free of charge to grex, it should be thanked. But if advertising suddenly ceased because of a certain person taking unusual action which negatively affected grex in this regard (and that seems to be the speculation), then perhaps someone else at ArborWeb ought to be contacted about the situation...
It doesn't seem unusual to me. Arborweb was doing a favor for their webmaster, which she is no longer interested in having them do for her. Valerie was gdoing grex a favor, which she is no longer interested in doing for Grex. We are supposed to call up Arborweb and ask that they give us free advertising because we're "special" to them even without Valerie's participation in Grex?
That's a good question, and probably the answer is "grex just loses out". If this is indeed what happened, then I would consider it very, very petty. But I won't use any names, until someone has actual proof that this certain someone was indeed responsible for the grex perk going away.
Speaking of people being petty, it's happening right here with people bitching about Valerie yet again. Valerie did Grex a favor with that advertising, and now that it's gone *she* is the one being petty? More likely it was an ongoing small effort to keep the Grex ad in the Observer's pages.
I consider the treatment Valerie received here to be far worse than "petty". With both the current member vote and this item, she -continues- to receive treatment that makes me cringe. Unfortunately, it is those of us who remain active who now bear the brunt of the anti-Valerie sentiment and activity. She is certainly not reading new items and new responses.
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Re #15: As far as I know, the Grexwalk notice in the Observer is still there and will continue to be. What's gone is the ad on the Arborweb website. I was continually amazed, knowing that there's normally a nontrivial charge for ads on ArborWeb - even for nonprofits - that the ad was there for so long (years, in fact). It's something that their policy certainly didn't entitle us to. I'd say a thank-you to them is definitely in order at this point.
"I consider the treatment Valerie received here to be far worse than "petty"." What, you mean her being criticized for acting beyond her authority? Are you by any chance refering to the outrage some of us expressed when instead of just deleting her own words, which she ostensibly claimed to the source of her concern, she punished an entire group of users by deleting *their* words? Part of life is that the truth sometimes makes us cringe. Deal with it.
This is all Jamie's fault!
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#13 of 21: by C. S. McGee (cmcgee) on Mon, Apr 12, 2004 (12:00): It doesn't seem unusual to me. Arborweb was doing a favor for their webmaster, which she is no longer interested in having them do for her. Why is it that the favor was for Valerie and not for Grex? How do you know this? Were they doing their write-off for Valerie, too? Somebody should call Arborweb and ask why we got pulled from their advertising. Maybe they didn't even notice it when Valerie CENSORED our ad!
When's the last time anybody actually saw the ad? I seldom look at the Arborweb site, so it could've been pulled a long time ago and I'd never have known. Maybe somebody noticed that the ad wasn't being paid for, decided that it had slipped through the cracks somehow, and deleted it. It's a big site, and it's possible that the webmaster isn't the only person who updates content.
Or its possible the webmaster yanked it in a frothy vehemented fervor unbeknownst to anyone outside of that padded room aka The Popcorn Machine
It's just as possible she thought the hassle of getting the web ad ON
arborweb, possibly at cost to HER, just wasn't worth the shit she put up with
at work.
(no, that is NOT an endorsement of her behavior as a staff
memeber.)
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I DIDN'T say she was embezzeling from her employer. On the other hand,
she might have worked a partial non-monetary compensation deal that included
the website FOR GREX, at no charge TO GREX, as a favor She was willing to
provide at that time.
I ALSO think she was MORE than entitled to erase HER contributions to
the BABY diary/ LA LECHE stuff, but didn't have the right to erase anyone
ELSES responses. For that matter, Jep was within HIS rights to erase HIS
entries in his divorce journal, as long as he didin't mess with whatever
anybody ELSE posted in response.
Either way, it would have looked fairly wierd, post-cvensor, but it
would have been the right way, within ethics, to do it. THAT'S what i think.
`Unless you, or anybody else, feels COMPELLED to demand I think
something else.
(beleive me, that would get interesting. very, VERY interesting.)
echo ECHO ECHO
Re #27: I agree and would liked to have seen the items restored, minus any responses that their authors wanted taken out. However, the membership voted otherwise (more than once).
The membership vote for censorship then, right?
If that's what you're calling it, then, I believe they are.
Why is the blue "free speech" ribbon on the website if the membership is on the record as condoning censorship?
Because some grexers prefer to pretend they have principles rather than vote to support them.
Right, as long as 'they' don't call it for what it is, it remains legal.
The all-or-nothing crowd continues to bay away...
Maybe I'm missing your point, but how is supporting the right of an individual to remove his or her posts while also maintaining that individual should not be permitted to remove the posts of others "all or nothing"? In fact, it is the most reasonable middle ground.
Its a personality issue for these folks that are voting in favor of censorship. I can't imagine any other reason why.
Limited imagination, I guess.
Bad guess.
re #38 Why don't you explain why folks are voting in favor of censorship. Enlighten me.
re #40 Because it will shut people up.
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Voting against restoration will shut people up?!?!?! That's wishful thinking if ever I've heard it.
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