I was testing BBS. I accidentally did something that would have made it LSIGHTLY hard for someone to read a particular item. I undid my action almost immedietly. Soon after, gelinas had killed my account. It's obvious I caused no harm, and had no intention to cause harm. What's the point in killing my account?52 responses total.
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Oh, wait, now that I think about it, it's not QUITE obvious enough that I didn't have any intention to cause harm. I'm sure Grexists will believe this item is some sort of attempt to get gelinas removed from staff or whatever. Oh well. I'm not sure how I could show myself to be ernest in front of the eyes of paranois of that degree.
perhaps there should be in Coop a regular "staff action against user" item where every time a staffer takes a negative action against a user account, they note it there and say why (or if security is involved, at least say in general terms) Is there such an item in the staff cf, and would having a filtered version of such regularly in Coop be a good way of curtailing items like this one where a user complains? In that case, the user affected could complain directly to the staffer publicly, in that item. And then the new policy could be that any new items created to complain about staff actions would be deleted because they are supposed to complain in this "staff action" item.
Nope.
Good idea. It's called "transparency", and we want more of it.
we:*:9:9:frankly:/dont/have/any/of/it:/here/on/grex. no:*:0:0:one:/quite/knows/why/no/etc/passwd:/files/are/allowed/on/grex.
People have a privacy interest in their accounts being locked or deleted, and the causes for that action. I will only discuss the action taken against a specific user in public _when that user asks in public_. Unfortunately, that is not possible for someone whose account has been locked: how do we (the bbs-reading public) determine that the new account is the same person?
Yet you've posted this: #17 of 22: by Joseph L Gelinas (gelinas) on Fri, Jan 30, 2004 (18:44): That wouldn't do any real good; he has already demonstrated the ability to 'launder' his connections to us. If we were to try IP blocking, we'd soon be blocking a significant fraction of the Internet, I think. about the polytarp account. I think you should delete that, if it's against privacy. Needless to say, you're more than welcome to discuss any action taken against this account.
I have posted a short copy of one of my own /etc/passwd files in Agora. Hopefully, after gelinas kills this account, we'll get the first decent explanation of why it's dangerous to have such files on Grex.
actually I think that any time a staffer takes negative action against a user, it is the interest of grex's other users. A "staff action" item as I suggest would help to clearly identify which staffers are more active than others in staff activity and whether there are any identifiable trends in their actions (such as persistent actions against particular users using different logins .etc) I see it as a way of trying to keep things open and above board. And like I said, staff can use general terms if security or privacy concerns are apparent in the reasons for the staff action against an account. But I think if an account has been deleted it need not be a state secret. There is nothing in the bylaws which says that users are entitled to anonymity when staff takes action against them. As long as discretion is used in terms of particulars, staffers should be able to identify who and to what they are doing
Ahem. No. Arbitary actions against random users are not good. Are we supposed to call out the militia?
Forget it, richard. There are staff actions taken all the time to "protect" grex that we don't need to know about. The only reason it comes up here is that these morons keep causing trouble.
No-one's protecting ANYTHING, let alone Grex, by removing /etc/passwd files from Grex.
(it should also be fairly clear that killing my accoutns and blocking my IPs, but still allowing me access, isn't helping Grex. gelinas is not helping Grex. this is self-evident.)
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re: #12..albaugh, I agree that there are staff actions we don't need to know about but unfortunately it seems like these same people are going to keep trying to cause trouble by entering items bashign staff over staff actions. All I was saying is that if there was a "staff actions/respond to staff actions" item, then all these user complaints could be confined to that item, and any other items entered to complain like that could be deleted. Wouldn't that make coop a more pleasant and less aggravating read?
This should be linked to parenting.
Spoken from the supposed troublemaking kid.
If youthink creating an item about this would confine user complaints to a single item, you're dreaming.
There's a number of problems with "publishing" names or providing other public information that could be used to identify users who did bad things. The first is the question of privacy -- how much expectation should users have here that affairs they obviously took pains to disclose from prying eyes should suddenly become public? I don't know a lot of the case law here, but I suspect ECPA prevents us from saying much. There may be other newer laws that further restrict what we can do. The second is a question of effectiveness. It seems pretty clear that the public pillory went out long ago, and there's little evidence to suggest many vandals would care if we were to publish their names. Keep in mind they probably didn't provide us any "real" details in the first place. The 3rd problem is that such a list could in fact backfire. In the 19th century Jesse James and other low-life fringe scum became practically public heroes, mostly through inappropriate publicity campaigns. We already have at least one person who clearly likes to do bad stuff purely to waste people's time. A public list might merely increase this trend.
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Object all you like, but he still sucked as a family provider.
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His widow nearly starved to death.
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HE OUTLIVED HIS WIDOW BY 50-odd YEARS?!!?! YES< I AGREE< THEY WERE ODD< HUH (AHAHAHAHA)
(Jesse James of the James-Younger Gang was 34 years old when he was killed in 1882. Or are you talking about a different Jesse James, jp2?)
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and gelinas fell for it.
Apparently jp2 is a conspiracy fan. In any event, if Jesse James outlived his "widow" by 50 years, that makes him not only a poor family provider, but a 1st class louse. After Jesse's supposed death in 1882, his wife Zerelda (Zee) Mimms had serious financial and health problems, and died in 1900--some say of a "broken heart".
Shhh! Marcus! Don't call jp2 a conspiracy fan! He might start thinking there's a *conspiracy* against him!
re #29 That was Billy the Kid.
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Do you own the Cher album?
Hahahahahahahah :-)
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Another interesting Jesse James factoid: Zerelda Amanda Mimms was also his first cousin. Those into conspiracy theories might want to check out: http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr39.html http://www.shout.net/~bigred/JesJames.htm If you prefer contemporary newspaper accounts, try: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oklawmen/outlaws/jjames.htm Of course, assuming you buy the conspiracy theory, then that makes Jesse James not just a murdering louse, but an actual traitor to this country, which would appear to even further reduce his reputation.
re #37 No creme de menth mousse for you, sailor!
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Re. 34: Then you must know Jesse James of Monster Garage, who claims he's the great grandson of JJ the first.
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Jesse is a girl name
My girl is a Jessie. (That's her full legal first name.)
There are names that are not gender-specific anymore. Take the actress, Michael Lernerd<SP>, for example.
There are names that are not gender-specific anymore. No there aren't. There are just names that are misused.
You can hear the difference between "Michel" and "Michelle"?
You can hear the difference between Michel and Michelle in English, and Michelle and Michel in French, but not Michel in French and Michelle in English. Except one's spoke in a French accent.
And but also: They're still differenames simply because they have different
spellings, but no-one needs to bother to find an actual example in THIS case,
because:
It's axiomatic. twenex is broken. he hasn't aquired the
proper cultural imprints to make him realise there are androgenous names (if
only realugly. that's a name which a male'd probably use, but, for god
(another name that's sometimes callled androgenous!!!) 's sake, twenex, it's
androgenous and you fucking know it. get culturally imprintied, scumball.
Monster Garage is an excellent show
The last ep of Monster House, one of the build crew was also on MG, and he was just as troublesome there.
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