Grex Oldcoop Conference

Item 117: jep's leave of absence, discussion and comment

Entered by other on Tue Feb 10 20:09:10 2004:

Given that he locked the item to prevent responses to it:

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Entered by John Ellis Perry Jr. (jep) on Tue Feb 10 14:48:56 2004:

It's time for me to take a leave from Grex for a while.  I've been 
participating only in coop for a few weeks now, and that only to pursue 
the policy initiatives which directly impacted me.  Those issues are 
settled now, thank goodness.

A few parting thoughts:

First of all: During the last few weeks, I have been subjected to a 
more concerted and abusive assault from Grexers than I have ever seen 
on either M-Net or Grex.  It reminds me of junior high school, more 
than anything else.  Or of the book, "Lord of the Flies".

I submit to everyone here that that kind of assault is not only 
unwarranted, even from the least responsible individuals, but 
intolerable to Grex itself.  I don't know what can be done about it, 
but not very many people are going to put up with being the target of 
something like that.  This is not an acceptable use of Grex.  It 
shouldn't ever be okay to have someone treated like that; not for any 
participant of Grex.  I hope it's not accepted in schools any more, for 
that matter.

Second: That juvenile abuse isn't why I am leaving Grex.  I am leaving 
over another incident, which I have discussed about as much as I want 
to.  I trusted Grex with a lot of highly personal information, and 
someone abused that trust to attack me, and now I won't be able to 
trust Grex much any more.  I am sorry it worked out that way.

Third: Grex is a wonderful system.  I hope the users here know what 
they've got, and are able to maintain it.  It's far beyond the 
founders, the staff, the Board, the fw's, the system itself... all of 
those are wonderful, but there's a lot more here than what they've 
provided.  Grex is a terrific community.  There are many thoughtful, 
intelligent and nice people here who really care about one another.  
That's what makes it such a great place.

Fourth: Thanks to all who helped me so much during my troubles and 
stress and despair of two years ago.  I appreciate it greatly.  It is 
the nature of a general "thank you" that those for whom it is most 
intended may not recognize themselves.  I hope that's not the case this 
time.

Fifth: I have made many mistakes during my time on Grex.  I apologize 
to everyone who was affected by any of those mistakes.  I have 
misunderstood comments, I have said unkind and thoughtless things, and 
I have from time to time been unfair.  I regret all of these mistakes, 
and hope they can be forgiven.  I have also hurt people -- even 
intentionally, I am sorry to say.  I won't ask forgiveness for doing 
that, but I have always regretted those occurrances, and tried to 
overcome my tendency to do that sort of thing.

I'm posting this in coop because that's where I'm active right now.  
Feel free to pass this on wherever you wish.

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Responses:

#0 of 0, posted by Eric R Bassey (other)

Hmm.  Comparisons of the verbal abuse of a few misguided individuals to 
something on the scale of "Lord of the Flies" is hyperbole which does 
not serve you well, I'm afraid.  Especially since you're proclaiming 
your victimization to an audience which was present for the events at 
issue.

It is obvious from your own statements that you took advantage of an 
opportunity to accomplish something which, though with (arguably) the 
best of intentions, was done in a fashion not at all appropriate by the 
standards of this community.  This alone has earned you most of the 
animosity to which you've been subjected, and to suggest that you are 
blameless is disingenuous at best.

Further, given your stubborn *refusal* to understand the particular 
actions you so dramatically claim as a betrayal of trust, I can only 
hope that the lesson you take from it is to not be so public with 
thoughts and feelings best left to fora governed by formal rules of 
confidentiality.

Lastly, I hope that you have reached a point at which you can be 
comfortable with the choices you have made and the controversy they 
have helped engender, and I hope that when you are finished nursing 
your psyche you will return to the community as a welcome participant 
and contributor.
31 responses total.
#1 of 31 by jp2 on Tue Feb 10 21:23:23 2004:

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#2 of 31 by krj on Tue Feb 10 21:32:20 2004:

Sure thing, Osama, Mr. Divine Avenger, The Hammer of the Lord.

#3 of 31 by tod on Tue Feb 10 21:36:37 2004:

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#4 of 31 by scott on Tue Feb 10 22:12:20 2004:

Um, Eric, "Lord of the Flies" WAS on the scale of a few misguided individuals.

#5 of 31 by naftee on Tue Feb 10 22:18:48 2004:

HEY DOES THIS MEAN WE GET TO CALL JEP "PIGGY"?  I'LL DO IT!@!

#6 of 31 by happyboy on Tue Feb 10 22:58:16 2004:

*snorts*

#7 of 31 by tod on Tue Feb 10 23:01:03 2004:

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#8 of 31 by jp2 on Tue Feb 10 23:23:17 2004:

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#9 of 31 by tod on Tue Feb 10 23:24:38 2004:

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#10 of 31 by albaugh on Tue Feb 10 23:41:20 2004:

> He's a bigger asshole than I've ever been.

C'mon, give it a rest.  He wanted what he wanted.  Everybody does.
He was unable to accomplish what he wanted, on his own - it took someone with
power to wrongfully wield it (that is the contention).  That is where the true
responsibility lies.  I was not pleased with jep's trying to justify why what
was done was OK, and thus why his items should remain deleted.  But to paint
jep as the great satan is ludicrous.

> I can promise this now, as long as I participate on M-Net and Grex, 
> he will not be welcome on either.

Of course you realize that grex welcome is not yours alone to give...

#11 of 31 by tod on Tue Feb 10 23:43:38 2004:

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#12 of 31 by albaugh on Tue Feb 10 23:46:22 2004:

It takes a moron like me, I guess, to respond thoughtfully to all this baying
at the moon...

#13 of 31 by gelinas on Tue Feb 10 23:55:12 2004:

(You're not the only one, albaugh. ;)

#14 of 31 by tod on Wed Feb 11 00:05:45 2004:

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#15 of 31 by naftee on Wed Feb 11 00:07:08 2004:

YEAH, why are they defecating on m-net^

#16 of 31 by jp2 on Wed Feb 11 00:08:21 2004:

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#17 of 31 by rational on Wed Feb 11 00:09:15 2004:

yeah.  M-Net's great.

#18 of 31 by scott on Wed Feb 11 00:15:26 2004:

If M-Net's so great, why are you chumps spending all your time on Grex?

#19 of 31 by tod on Wed Feb 11 00:20:49 2004:

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#20 of 31 by naftee on Wed Feb 11 00:21:02 2004:

Because we aren't..?

#21 of 31 by rational on Wed Feb 11 00:25:34 2004:

Re. 18:  It's fun.

#22 of 31 by gull on Wed Feb 11 04:26:36 2004:

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#23 of 31 by robh on Wed Feb 11 04:41:28 2004:

I only wish M-Net were a little greater.

#24 of 31 by jaklumen on Wed Feb 11 07:13:54 2004:

resp:1 I didn't care for his rationalizations and excuses, but that's a 
little low.

resp:0

1. oh, the drama.

2. I am amazed how he still doesn't get it.  Well, again, I point to 
the body of literature written concerning discretion of blogging-- and 
e-mails for that matter (as e-mails are occasionally sent accidentally 
to unintended recipients).  You never know who will read them.  I'll 
agree with Eric, too.

3. Grex isn't really a "place."  It's just a forum.  Some interesting 
people may use it, but I think it's dangerous to be so starry-eyed.  
Maybe I'm just a little more jaded these days.

4. Well, see comments to #2

5. People are human... so move on

#25 of 31 by jp2 on Wed Feb 11 11:31:58 2004:

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#26 of 31 by naftee on Wed Feb 11 14:29:17 2004:

re 22:  He gave permission for posting, idiot.  Learn about copyright law.

#27 of 31 by jp2 on Wed Feb 11 15:17:47 2004:

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#28 of 31 by naftee on Wed Feb 11 16:18:42 2004:

hear ye

#29 of 31 by tod on Wed Feb 11 19:22:33 2004:

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#30 of 31 by jp2 on Wed Feb 11 19:27:27 2004:

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#31 of 31 by jesuit on Wed May 17 02:14:51 2006:

TROGG IS DAVID BLAINE

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