Grex Oldcoop Conference

Item 113: Member Resolution

Entered by slynne on Mon Feb 9 19:06:15 2004:

In order to avoid an ongoing issue. I would like to propose that any 
backups of the baby diary items or jep's divorce items be erased so 
that they cannot be restored.
42 responses total.
#1 of 42 by gelinas on Mon Feb 9 19:08:35 2004:

I don't know that that is possible, without destroying everything else on
the backup tapes.

#2 of 42 by cmcgee on Mon Feb 9 19:10:49 2004:

What about a new backup?  One that does not contain those items (like right
now).  How many backups do we keep before overwriting them?

#3 of 42 by ryan on Mon Feb 9 19:12:33 2004:

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#4 of 42 by jp2 on Mon Feb 9 19:12:47 2004:

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#5 of 42 by gelinas on Mon Feb 9 19:20:25 2004:

The two most recent backups were a partial backup on 25 October 2003,
and a full backup on 9 June 2003.

I am currently holding eleven tapes, going back to November, 2000, in
off-site storage at my house.

Yes, we should make another backup of the system.

#6 of 42 by jp2 on Mon Feb 9 19:21:37 2004:

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#7 of 42 by gelinas on Mon Feb 9 19:23:11 2004:

Staff does what it can, jp2.

#8 of 42 by jp2 on Mon Feb 9 19:23:52 2004:

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#9 of 42 by ryan on Mon Feb 9 19:26:58 2004:

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#10 of 42 by scott on Mon Feb 9 19:33:03 2004:

STaff has been too busy discussing various nuisance proposals from jp2 to
perform regular backups.

#11 of 42 by jp2 on Mon Feb 9 19:44:44 2004:

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#12 of 42 by krj on Mon Feb 9 19:56:39 2004:

Scott didn't say the staff were discussing the 
proposals *with* you, Jamie.

#13 of 42 by jp2 on Mon Feb 9 19:58:53 2004:

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#14 of 42 by albaugh on Mon Feb 9 20:19:23 2004:

I consider this proposal to be a horrid idea.  I'm not interested in the items
being restored any more than anyone else who is not, but to deliberately
destroy data just to thwart what could be very valid proposals for item
restoration is a bad idea at best, and a waste of time at worst.

#15 of 42 by twinkie on Mon Feb 9 20:48:21 2004:

Without rehashing too much, let's not forget that one of jep's reasons for
wanting the content deleted was to protect him from possible legal issues.

How do you think it would look if a subpoena was issued for that data?
"Oh, sorry. We intentionally deleted it. But two thirds of us thought it was
a good idea!"

#16 of 42 by boltwitz on Mon Feb 9 20:52:39 2004:

Yeah.  Grex is aiding criminal(s) and/or criminal(s') enterprise(s).

#17 of 42 by jp2 on Mon Feb 9 20:54:43 2004:

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#18 of 42 by albaugh on Mon Feb 9 20:55:22 2004:

It was not deleted for the purpose of evading or anticipating a subpoena.
The "best way" *this* proposal could be "met" is by performing another full
backup, one of these days, which would be missing the deleted items.  
Past full backup media would get recycled, I'm sure, and at that point the
items would be unrecoverable for all time.

#19 of 42 by naftee on Mon Feb 9 21:54:52 2004:

All cusers of GreX are criminals.

#20 of 42 by tod on Mon Feb 9 23:06:38 2004:

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#21 of 42 by twinkie on Mon Feb 9 23:21:43 2004:

re: 17
I don't know, but I'll bet Aaron does. 

re: 18
That's quite different from what jep said. He was rather clear in stating that
the "harm" he so desperately feared may come upon his child was indeed related
to his words being used against him in court.

It's one thing to make information private. It's something else to destroy
it. Short of a set tape rotation schedule that shows the items were
overwritten during the normal course of data preservation, it would be
difficult to avoid serious scrutiny.

#22 of 42 by tod on Mon Feb 9 23:33:35 2004:

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#23 of 42 by jaklumen on Mon Feb 9 23:54:53 2004:

resp:0 I say-- no, bad idea.

#24 of 42 by cyklone on Tue Feb 10 00:24:47 2004:

I oppose this proposal. I also think that people who posted in those items
should be permitted to retrieve his/her posts first.

#25 of 42 by boltwitz on Tue Feb 10 00:27:48 2004:

Yeah.  You're trying to AVOID issues, as you said in 0.  Any decent person
would tackle the issues.

#26 of 42 by happyboy on Tue Feb 10 09:22:37 2004:

re0 i would like for all of my responses in those items
to be mailed to my account here.


while staff is *at it* could someone please get rid of that
stupid free speech ribbon image on the website?

#27 of 42 by jp2 on Tue Feb 10 11:10:12 2004:

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#28 of 42 by remmers on Tue Feb 10 13:14:51 2004:

Re #0:  Bad idea, and rather pointless.  I'm sure plenty of people
have their own private copies.

#29 of 42 by boltwitz on Tue Feb 10 13:29:29 2004:

I'm sure I'd love them to be reposted.

#30 of 42 by slynne on Tue Feb 10 15:48:12 2004:

I dont really care about the items. I am trying to think of a way to 
keep this issue from dragging out any longer than it has already. I get 
it that people are angry about the outcome of the vote. I am at a bit 
of a loss over how to go forward at this point. 

Anyhow I withdraw #0. I guess it would be pointless.

#31 of 42 by gull on Tue Feb 10 16:19:50 2004:

Normally I'd oppose resp:0, but I fear it may be the only way to get jp2
to shut up.

#32 of 42 by tod on Tue Feb 10 18:44:43 2004:

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#33 of 42 by jp2 on Tue Feb 10 18:50:37 2004:

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#34 of 42 by tod on Tue Feb 10 18:59:03 2004:

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#35 of 42 by gull on Wed Feb 11 04:01:29 2004:

Re resp:32: I don't want to censor him.  I just want to give him one 
less stick to stir the pot with.

#36 of 42 by richard on Wed Mar 17 06:17:13 2004:

the backup tapes should not in any way be destroyed or altered.  Grex, to
legally protect itself, should be keeping an unedited record of everything
that has been posted on its site for an indeterminate number of years. 
Everything.

#37 of 42 by davel on Wed Mar 17 13:44:56 2004:

Grex would do better as far as protecting itself to keep no backups whatever.

#38 of 42 by twenex on Wed Mar 17 13:48:34 2004:

If I go out today I may be hit by a bus. If I stay in my house in good weather
I may be attacked by a burglar. If I stay in my house in bad weather I may
be injured by bits of house falling off.

I would do better as far as protecting myself to just top myself. Goodbye,
random world!

#39 of 42 by tod on Thu Mar 18 00:03:24 2004:

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#40 of 42 by soup on Thu Mar 18 03:38:11 2004:

yeah, and it should brush its teeth too

#41 of 42 by soup on Mon Mar 29 02:01:47 2004:

UYEAH

#42 of 42 by jesuit on Wed May 17 02:14:50 2006:

TROGG IS DAVID BLAINE

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