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Item 80: Clear Channel taking over the radio world

Entered by richard on Fri Mar 8 06:21:56 2002:

Tell me this isnt scary:

(article reprinted copyright Wall Street Journal):

BY ANNA WILDE MATHEWS
Wall Street Journal

On Feb. 15, disc jockey 'Cabana Boy Geoff' Alan offered a special treat 
to listeners of KISS-FM in Boise, Idaho: an interview with pop duo Evan 
and Jaron Lowenstein. 'In the studio with Evan and Jaron,' Alan 
began. 'How're you guys doing?' The artists reported that they had just 
come from skiing at nearby Sun Valley, then praised the local 
scene. 'Boise's always a nice place to stop by on the way out,' Evan 
Lowenstein said, adding that the city 'is actually far more beautiful 
than I expected it to be. It's actually really nice, so happy to be 
here.'

Alan chimed in: 'Yeah, we've got some good people here.' Later, he 
asked Boise fans to e-mail or call the station with questions for the 
performers.

But even the most ardent fan never got through to the brothers that 
day. The singers had actually done the interview in San Diego a few 
weeks earlier. Alan himself has never been to Boise, though he offers a 
flurry of local touches on the show he hosts each weekday from 10 a.m. 
to 3 p.m. on the city's leading pop station.

This may be the future of radio. The Boise station's owner, industry 
giant Clear Channel Communications Inc., is using technology and its 
enormous reach to transform one of the most local forms of media into a 
national business. In fact, Boise's KISS 103.3 — its actual call 
letters are KSAS-FM — is one of 47 Clear Channel stations using 
the 'KISS' name around the country.

It's part of an effort to create a national KISS brand in which 
stations share not just logos and promotional bits but also draw from 
the same pool of on-air talent. Via a practice called 'voice-tracking,' 
Clear Channel pipes popular out-of-town personalities from bigger 
markets to smaller ones, customizing their programs to make it sound as 
if the DJs are actually local residents.

"We can produce higher-quality programming at a lower cost in markets 
where we could never afford the talent," says Randy Michaels, chief 
executive of the company's radio unit. "That's a huge benefit to the 
audience."

It's also a huge benefit to Clear Channel, which can boast of a 
national reach and economies of scale to advertisers and shareholders. 
The voice-tracking system allows a smaller station in Boise to 
typically pay around $4,000 to $6,000 a year for a weekday on-air 
personality, while a local DJ in a market of Boise's size would have to 
be paid salary and benefits that might run five times as much.

That's why Clear Channel is developing multiple identities for a 
battalion of DJs like Alan, 29, who is based at KHTS-FM in San Diego 
but also does "local" shows in Boise; Medford, Ore.; and Santa Barbara, 
Calif. Alan does research to offer news items and other details unique 
to each city.

DEAL-MAKING FRENZY

The new sound of radio is tied to big changes in the industry brought 
on by a 1996 law that got rid of the nationwide ownership cap of 40 
stations. The law also allowed companies to own as many as eight 
stations in the largest markets, double the previous limit.

The shift sent broadcasters into a frenzy of deal-making, as stations 
rapidly changed hands. A fragmented business once made up mainly of mom-
and-pop operators evolved quickly into one dominated by large publicly 
traded companies that controlled stations around the country.

No one took advantage of the new law more aggressively, or 
successfully, than Clear Channel. The company started out with one FM 
station in San Antonio. A relatively little-known firm before 1996, it 
rapidly grew into by far the biggest player on the airwaves. Today, it 
operates more than 1,200 U.S. stations, compared with 186 stations 
owned by its biggest publicly traded rival, Viacom Inc.

Privately held Citadel Communications Corp. has 205 stations, mostly in 
midsize markets. Clear Channel has combined its radio clout with a 
growing array of other media assets, including the nation's leading 
concert-promotion company and a major outdoor-advertising operation.

Now Clear Channel is moving to exploit its size by linking up its 
different businesses and wooing major advertisers with the promise that 
it can deliver nearly any combination of geography, demographics and 
radio format. Part of that effort is the move to create national brands 
such as KISS, which can become familiar touchstones for big national 
advertisers and, eventually, listeners. While voice-tracking is not a 
new practice in radio, Clear Channel is pushing the concept on a far 
grander scale than ever, extending well beyond the 47 KISS stations to 
encompass most of its empire.

BUCKING TRADITION

Michaels compares his model to McDonald's Corp.'s franchise system. "A 
McDonald's manager may get his arms around the local community, but 
there are certain elements of the product that are constant," he says.

"You may in some parts of the country get pizza and in some parts of 
the country get chicken, but the Big Mac is the Big Mac. How we apply 
those principles to radio, we're still figuring out."

Indeed, as Clear Channel has moved to take advantage of its reach, it 
has run up against traditional ways of doing things in radio. To create 
a national brand based on a federal trademark, for instance, it has had 
to mount legal challenges in several markets, chasing off stations that 
had been using versions of the KISS name locally. (The U.S. station 
that actually has the call letters KISS-FM is an album-rock station 
based in Clear Channel's corporate hometown of San Antonio, owned by 
rival Cox Radio Inc.) Clear Channel is facing objections from union 
locals representing on-air talent, which likely stand to lose jobs as 
the company phases in more virtual programming.

The company drew an investigation by the Florida attorney general's 
office into whether it was portraying national call-in contests to 
listeners as local. Clear Channel admitted no wrongdoing, but in 2000, 
it paid the state an $80,000 contribution to the Consumer Frauds Trust 
Fund and agreed not to "make any representation or omission that would 
cause a reasonable person to believe" that contests involving numerous 
stations around the country were actually limited to local listeners.

Michaels argues that much of the static his company hears, particularly 
from competitors, is simply a battle against progress. He compares it 
with another point in radio's history: when the industry began phasing 
out live orchestras and in-studio sound-effects experts in favor of 
recorded music.

"The guy making buggy whips and installing horseshoes should have 
gotten into making tires," he says. Change, he says, is "inevitable. 
All we can do is exploit it."
76 responses total.

#1 of 76 by richard on Fri Mar 8 06:25:32 2002:

sheesh...Pretty soon you wont even know if your local radio is really 
local anymore.  You hear somebody on the radio discussing the weather 
and local issues, and you assume he or she is somewhere around there.  
But not anymore.  The wave..er radio wave...of the future


#2 of 76 by rcurl on Fri Mar 8 06:42:21 2002:

OK. It's not scary.  Now what? Does it matter where entertainment
originates? 


#3 of 76 by krj on Fri Mar 8 08:07:34 2002:

I'm starting to regard the 1966 Telecomm Act, with its repeal of the 
limits on the number of stations one corporation could own, as the 
Destruction of American Musical Culture Act. 


#4 of 76 by senna on Fri Mar 8 12:29:11 2002:

If Clear Channel found religion, it would matter to you. 

The only station in Ann Arbor they don't own is 1600 AM, and the fact that
it's the only one they don't own is the reason that they don't yet own it.
Get what I'm saying?


#5 of 76 by keesan on Fri Mar 8 15:42:58 2002:

I don't get it, sorry.  Do they own 91.8 FM now?


#6 of 76 by other on Fri Mar 8 16:06:47 2002:

There is no radio station broadcasting on 91.8 FM (at least not in Ann 
Arbor).


#7 of 76 by mrmat on Fri Mar 8 17:08:33 2002:

I thought I read somewhere (the Ann Arbor News or the Observer) that WAAM,
1600 Am was sold to Clear Channel recently.


#8 of 76 by rcurl on Fri Mar 8 17:09:42 2002:

There are no  FM stations broadcasting on *any* even decimal (like .8).


#9 of 76 by keesan on Fri Mar 8 17:38:58 2002:

91.7 broadcasts from near Ann Arbor and considers itself independent.


#10 of 76 by rcurl on Fri Mar 8 18:08:39 2002:

That's a public radio station: Univ. of Mich. (They call themselves
"Michigan Radio", as though there are no other radio stations in Michigan.)
They broadcast mostly NPR material - very litle locally generated
material.


#11 of 76 by senna on Fri Mar 8 23:12:40 2002:

Clear Channel had agreed to buy 1600, but I believe they were caught up in
procedural issues relating to whether or not it would be a good idea for them
to own everything.  I apologize for omitting that earlier, but I *did*
actually know it.  Honest. :)  I'm not sure if it is going to go through or
not.


#12 of 76 by gelinas on Sat Mar 9 01:30:01 2002:

"Drivin' in my car, with the radio on, listenin' to  WQIB"  (I think it was,
some DC station anyway.)  Then, a year or so later, "Drivin in my car, with
the radio on, listenin' to KEARTH101" in California.  "Fire", in the late
Seventies.  It ain't new.


#13 of 76 by richard on Sat Mar 9 03:31:15 2002:

Clear Channel is also becoming a big player in concert promotion and venue
management.  And you can see where that leads.  Clear Channel will see to
it that its vast lineup of radio stations work with specific musical acts
they have deals with.  The day could be soon coming where no musical act
can get their music played on commercial radio airwaves or tour succesfully
without the Clear Channel "seal of approval" as it were.  Which means that
the suits in the Clear Channel offices are probably looking towards the
day when they have substantial influence on popular music and culture in
this country.  


#14 of 76 by gelinas on Sat Mar 9 03:44:50 2002:

Can you say "payola"?  I _knew_ you could.


#15 of 76 by senna on Sat Mar 9 04:56:00 2002:

Slippery slope arguments never hold much weight with me.


#16 of 76 by keesan on Sat Mar 9 16:50:30 2002:

Is digital radio still under development?  Supposedly it would open up a lot
more stations.


#17 of 76 by ea on Sat Mar 9 17:28:12 2002:

Clear Channel owns 107.1 and 102.9 fm, as well as 1050 am, and one 
other AM station that I'm not remembering right now.  1050 is a sports 
talk station, most of the shows are local people, although they do 
pickup some ESPN radio personalities (Tony Kornheiser comes to mind).  
107.1 is mostly local people, but they broadcast the Delilah show from 
7-midnight weekdays.  I have no clue about 102.9. (I know they play 
country music, but I don't know if the DJ's are local.


#18 of 76 by jmsaul on Sat Mar 9 17:31:41 2002:

Is 106.7 owned by Clear Channel, or is it part of a different national chain?


#19 of 76 by jp2 on Sat Mar 9 17:54:41 2002:

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#20 of 76 by krj on Sat Mar 9 19:05:32 2002:

Sindi in resp:16 ::
Just this morning I heard my first ad for the XM satellite digital radio
system on WWJ-AM, so I guess they are now looking for customers 
in the Detroit area.  The ad says they are offering 100 channels, of 
which 71 are music channels; it's a subscription service for $10/month
and the radios, which I believe are oriented towards car use, start
at $300.   The competing satellite radio system, called Sirius, should 
be following imminently.   XM and Sirius are both using their 
diverse selection of music as a marketing angle -- each is offering
3 or 4 classical channels, for example.

If you want immediate gratification: I listened to about 10 hours of 
"digital radio" on various BBC radio channels this week, via 
Real Audio and the Internet.  However, this requires
a high-speed network connection for decent sound quality -- a 56K 
dialup gives a poor-sounding signal which drops out a lot -- 
and I don't think you can run Real Player on a DOS machine, you'll 
need at least Win95.


#21 of 76 by tpryan on Sat Mar 9 19:13:09 2002:

        1290am - in the past known as WOIB, WNRS and WIQB-AM.


#22 of 76 by bruin on Sat Mar 9 22:11:40 2002:

AM 1290 is currently WCAS, and has a "nostalgia" fomat.


#23 of 76 by keesan on Sat Mar 9 23:53:33 2002:

Realaudio also requires an extra phone line if you don't have DSL.
We are paying $12/month for the last party line they ever sold in Ann Arbor
(no other party on it) and no tone service.  Competitive in price with XM
and you get more than 3 channels.  I wonder when someone will come up with
an appliance that is cheaper than a computer to play Realaudio on, which lets
you change the software annually.

We went to the local cable company once and checked out their three classical
stations and they were not worth paying $40/month for (which would include
Cable TV).  No commentary, just a randomized selection of what they thought
would appear to the buyer.  

Thanks for the info.  Not very encouraging - I was hoping for a larger
selection than you can get via analog radio.  


#24 of 76 by keesan on Sun Mar 10 00:37:15 2002:

www.xmradio.com.  Depends what you count as a classical station.  They do have
live performances and commentary and interviews, from NY City.  XMRadio
appears to be Japanese.  There is one 'classics' station with music from the
last 1000 years (which they define as Renaissance to the present) and a VOX
station with classical vocal music (opera to oratorio, they say), plus
something called Pops (sort of classical) and 'Fine Tuning' - a mixture of
classical, jazz, rock and everything else, an oasis of fine listening.  Their
sample program included a lot of modern popular music and Ravel's Bolero as
the non-vocal selection.  I count two classical stations here.  On the regular
radio I still get three.  People with Realaudio can listen to samples of
XMradio offerings.  Do you need separate digital receivers for XM and Sirius?


#25 of 76 by jp2 on Sun Mar 10 01:16:06 2002:

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#26 of 76 by jaklumen on Mon Mar 11 10:42:47 2002:

Yeah, it's interesting to see XM finally out-- the buzz had been on it 
for a while now, and yes, it did seem geared to the car market.


#27 of 76 by keesan on Mon Mar 11 16:34:12 2002:

Sirius is also apparently only aimed at cars.  They have symphony, chamber,
and vocal classical stations, and also one folk station (in the 'variety'
category).  I wonder why nobody has come up with a broadcast radio equivalent
of cable TV that would bring in radio stations from all over the country. 


#28 of 76 by slynne on Mon Mar 11 16:47:00 2002:

They have a cable radio thing that is the radio equivalent of cable tv. 
It isnt broadcast but instead comes in on the cable lines that also 
bring the tv. 



#29 of 76 by other on Mon Mar 11 16:59:22 2002:

One of the satelite radio systems apparently carries an NPR channel, the 
other has no public radio channel at all, which makes it absolutely out 
of the question for me, all other objections aside.


#30 of 76 by keesan on Mon Mar 11 17:39:46 2002:

We went to listen to cable radio at the cable TV company and they did not have
any of the broadcast radio stations, only something created solely for cable
radio use, similar to the satellite digital radio, with about three classical
stations playing selections in random order without commentary.  I was hoping
for stations from various places around the country or even better yet the
world, same as can be gotten now with a computer and dedicated phone line or
DSL line.  
        With three local NPR stations, why have a satellite NPR station?


#31 of 76 by other on Mon Mar 11 19:38:45 2002:

For those occasions when I travel outside the range of the local 
stations.  Why else bother with satellite radio?


#32 of 76 by krj on Mon Mar 11 20:04:16 2002:

Well, for me, the main appeal of satellite radio would be listening to 
music programming chosen by people for artistic reasons.  

But then, I'm one of a presumed minority of Americans who have 
tuned out commercial music radio almost completely, with the very
occasional exception of the classic rock station in Livingston 
County, as I drive by it.

The point of Sirius and XM, for me, isn't that they are digital, 
or that they are being delivered by satellite: the point is that 
they have found a way to bypass the crushing, unimaginative ad-sales 
mindset which has taken total possession of land-based radio.

It might be useful to remember that the paying customers of 
Clear Channel and the other media corporations are the advertisers;
the listeners are just the product being sold to the advertisers,
and the programming has been relegated to the status of bait.

For XM and Sirius, on the other hand, the paying customers are the 
listeners, so the digital satellite people are going to have to keep
their audience excited and happy.  It's an HBO approach to radio.

(I still dunno if I'm going to buy into their service.  Neither XM
nor Sirius seems to offer a folk music channel which aligns with my 
definition of folk music, and listening to the services at home 
seems to be difficult, and at work, impossible.  The business 
consensus which seems to have developed is that radio has dwindled 
to an in-car medium for most Americans.)


#33 of 76 by krj on Mon Mar 11 20:05:45 2002:

   ((Winter Agora #255  <--->  Music #80))


#34 of 76 by keesan on Mon Mar 11 20:18:29 2002:

I would listen to satellite radio if they played the same things as
non-satellite public classical music stations, of which we no longer have any
local ones.  The non-local ones that you can still get on a radio come in
hissy unless you have a very good tuner and listen in mono.  And I would also
appreciate stations that did not switch from music to news fro 4 pm to 7:30
pm, meaning stations from the west coast (with a 3-hour offset).  And that
did not switch to jazz on weekends, or all play only opera on Saturdays, or
the same canned music from NPR late at night complete with blaring commercials
for other NPR programs.


#35 of 76 by slynne on Mon Mar 11 20:24:10 2002:

Except for NPR, I only listen to the radio in my car. 


#36 of 76 by anderyn on Mon Mar 11 20:49:38 2002:

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#37 of 76 by jazz on Mon Mar 11 21:49:26 2002:

        I'd love to see mobile bandwidth become so common and cheap that you
could subscribe to an internet radio station in your car;  I think that'd be
enough to bring me back to radio.


#38 of 76 by krj on Mon Mar 11 21:54:54 2002:

I would assume we would get there eventually; this would have horrible
implications for the multi-billion dollar satellite investments 
made by XM and Sirius.


#39 of 76 by flem on Tue Mar 12 02:26:32 2002:

One of my coworkers has XM radio.  He seems pretty happy with it, though I'm
a little less than impressed with the variety of what I hear from his office.
  w.r.t.  classical stations, I've still not seen a match for andante.com.
I've started to check out bbc radio a little, based on ken's rantings :) but
I've yet to find any shows that I'm really impressed with.  Not ready to give
up yet, though...


#40 of 76 by tpryan on Tue Mar 12 02:44:46 2002:

        94.9fm is classic rock that rocks.  The station pats itself on
the back a bit less often, also.


#41 of 76 by krj on Tue Mar 12 03:31:33 2002:

flem in resp:39 :: are you paying for andante?  Can you lay out some 
details about their audio operations?  I've only used their site to 
read text articles.


#42 of 76 by krj on Tue Mar 12 03:49:38 2002:

Also, flem in resp:39 :: can you go into some detail about how 
your coworker gets XM Radio in his office?  Thanks.


#43 of 76 by flem on Tue Mar 12 16:56:15 2002:

I'm not paying for Andante.  They seem to have a couple of tiers of streaming
audio.  "Andante Radio" is free, linked to from the main page.  No
commercials, except thirty seconds every half hour or so advertizing their
membership services.  These seem to include live concert broadcasts as well as 
on-demand streaming of various recordings.  I've not really looked into it 
a great deal.  
  My coworker bought an XM unit that can be removed from the car and plugged 
into a second adapter/antenna thingy in the office.  It has a normal audio
output, that he plugs into a small desktop stereo system.  He has had some 
trouble with the reception inside the office, but he has a window (pointing
east, I think) and has found (and carefully marked) a couple of spots 
near the window that seem to do all right.  


#44 of 76 by keesan on Tue Mar 12 20:27:32 2002:

Can you buy one that is sold for use ONLY without a car? (one not two adaptor
thingies)


#45 of 76 by tpryan on Tue Mar 12 23:35:16 2002:

        This line is hear so I can find the item in general and 
forget it there, as agora is about to rap up.


#46 of 76 by gull on Thu Mar 14 16:53:07 2002:

What scares me about XM is it appears to be a proprietary system.  I'd hate
to buy a $300 head unit and have it become a $300 dash filler plate when the
company went out of business.

That and, well, if I want music in the car I don't get on broadcast radio, I
can just use my MP3 player or pop in a cassette.


#47 of 76 by dbratman on Thu Mar 14 18:14:51 2002:

The original article (sorry to get back to that) may be scary, but no 
scarier than those old "pop star interview" LPs I've occasionally seen 
in used-record stores.  They were distributed to local radio DJs along 
with scripts.  You, the DJ, read the questions from the script, pop the 
needle down on the record appropriately, and - this is almost an exact 
quote from the blurb - it'll sound like Famous Star is RIGHT THERE in 
the studio with YOU!

Early 60s, most of this stuff, IIRC.  Nothing's changed.


#48 of 76 by jep on Thu Mar 14 18:16:39 2002:

What scares me is that it's proprietary and requires monthly 
subscriptions fees.  I don't have that much use for coast-to-coast 
radio, since I travel out of the state about once per year.


#49 of 76 by gull on Thu Mar 14 18:52:38 2002:

For me, too, one of the fun parts of travelling is listening to different
radio stations.  I particularly like tuning around the AM dial at night.  I
can remember driving through Tennessee after dark listening to WABC New York. 
It was coming in strong, but with that periodic fading you only hear on
skywave-propegated signals.  Fun stuff. :)


#50 of 76 by keesan on Thu Mar 14 19:14:21 2002:

The $10/month is instead of wasting time with commercials.


#51 of 76 by slynne on Thu Mar 14 19:17:11 2002:

The commercials sometimes are pretty entertaining especially out in 
BFE. 


#52 of 76 by keesan on Fri Mar 15 00:07:53 2002:

What is BFE?


#53 of 76 by jazz on Fri Mar 15 05:28:37 2002:

        Anal intercourse, Egypt.


#54 of 76 by gull on Fri Mar 15 15:06:33 2002:

I'm skeptical.  A lot of cable TV networks were commercial free at first,
too, but that didn't last long.  Now you pay a subscription fee to watch
commercial breaks longer than those on broadcast TV.


#55 of 76 by jazz on Fri Mar 15 15:09:40 2002:

        Comcast continues Mediaone's sordid tradition of selling late-night
airtime to infomercial providers.  It's virtually impossoble to find
programming after 2 am.


#56 of 76 by keesan on Fri Mar 15 16:30:37 2002:

Do you have a VCR?


#57 of 76 by other on Sat Mar 16 07:23:12 2002:

I wonder what the origin of the BFE reference is.  I've known it most of my
life.


#58 of 76 by slynne on Sun Mar 17 16:18:20 2002:

Heh, I remember hearing BFE as a child although I didnt know what it 
stood for until later. Where would something like that come from? "Butt 
Fuck, Egypt" It makes no sense. 


#59 of 76 by krj on Tue Mar 19 06:04:29 2002:

Slashdot pointed to an interesting article about the Sirius satellite
radio system, the competitor to XM.  I'm not sure I fully understand
it, but I think Sirius is asking the FCC to restrict the usage of 
the 802.11 wireless networking frequencies, because those frequencies
are close enough to the Sirius frequencies that the music 
service is seeing some interference issues.


#60 of 76 by jmsaul on Tue Mar 19 06:47:19 2002:

Stupid f*ckers.  Hopefully, they'll get slapped down.


#61 of 76 by gull on Tue Mar 19 13:37:32 2002:

It wouldn't surprise me.  802.11 is rapidly becoming the new Citizen's Band,
complete with a total disregard for the legal limits on effective radiated
power. ;)


#62 of 76 by jp2 on Tue Mar 19 17:14:59 2002:

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#63 of 76 by gull on Tue Mar 19 19:46:51 2002:

Oh?  Are they operating under Part 15?


#64 of 76 by jp2 on Tue Mar 19 20:08:53 2002:

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#65 of 76 by gull on Tue Mar 19 20:36:33 2002:

Probably.  Unless 802.11 frequencies are right on top of theirs, it's 
their own fault anyway -- this kind of problem can be solved with a 
better bandpass filter on the input, or steeper IF filter skirts, 
usually.  That costs money, though.  If it's like most consumer 
receiver designs they cheaped out on filtering and hoped no one would 
notice.


#66 of 76 by krj on Tue Mar 19 21:21:55 2002:

If I remember some of the more intelligent-sounding Slashdot 
commentary, Sirius may actually have a case here because they are a 
licensed service, analogous to TV or FM radio, while 802.11 wireless
users are unlicensed.  However, as STeve pointed out, there are 
maybe one million 802.11 wireless devices loose in the wild, 
so it's a bit late to be thinking about locking the barn door.
 
Another commentator suggested that Sirius is finding out that it 
is very difficult to receive satellite signals without a directional
antenna; this writer said that XM spent maybe a quarter of a billion
dollars putting up terrestrial towers to reinforce its signal in 
high-density areas.   The suggestion was that Sirius may have spent
several billion dollars to start up a service which has unsurmountable
technical problems.


#67 of 76 by jp2 on Tue Mar 19 21:32:22 2002:

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#68 of 76 by gull on Tue Mar 19 21:35:43 2002:

Re #66: It's illegal to intentionally interfere with a licensed 
service.  If you're emitting a legal signal and it interferes with 
someone else's receiver, though, I think they have to accept that under 
Part 15.  For example, it'd be illegal for me to jam a local TV 
station, but if my amateur radio transceiver (transmitting on a 
frequency I'm legally entitled to transmit on) overloads the front end 
of my friend's TV and interferes with his reception, that's not 
illegal.  This is why Part 15 devices often have a message on the back 
saying something like, "this device must accept any interference, 
including interference that may cause undesired operation."

Of course, it's possible the rules 802.11 is permitted under specify 
that the devices cannot cause harmful interference, in which case they 
may have a case.  Anyone have an 802.11 device that has some relevent 
legal boilerplate in the manual?


#69 of 76 by russ on Wed Mar 20 03:25:57 2002:

Re #68:  I believe that it is unlawful for a Part 15 service to
interfere with a licensed service, and the Part 15 service must
accept any interference it receives; the licensed service does
not have to.  If you want to be certain either way you can go to
the FCC site and read the language itself; it's not nearly as
obscure as most legal verbiage and is not hard to interpret IME.


#70 of 76 by gelinas on Fri Mar 29 04:45:08 2002:

Uhh... I was under the impression that wireless networking was using an
unregulated portion of the spectrum.  Specifically, it is the band used by
microwave ovens, heart pacemakers and similar devices.


#71 of 76 by gull on Fri Mar 29 15:04:58 2002:

I think you're talking about the "industrial usage" portion of the 
spectrum, used by things like microwave ovens, RF light bulbs, and 
police speed radars.  Basically it's a dumping ground for all kinds of 
things that could generate interference, to keep them away from other 
services.  I'm not sure if 802.11 devices use those frequencies, but it 
wouldn't surprise me; being spread-spectrum they can tolerate a fair 
amount of narrowband interference.

It's an unlicensed band, but I don't think it's accurate to say it's 
unregulated.  There are limits on how much power you can radiate, I 
believe, and maybe other things too.


#72 of 76 by krj on Fri Mar 29 15:49:34 2002:

Salon has a recent story reporting that Clear Channel is starting 
to get some unwanted attention from the FCC and from the anti-trust 
world.  The FCC is investigating allegations that Clear Channel is 
using shell corporations to conceal its ownership of some radio 
stations whose acquisition would be in violation of what feeble
restrictions remain on the concentration of ownership.
Antitrust interest is being piqued by Clear Channel throwing its 
weight around in the concert promotion business.


#73 of 76 by other on Fri Mar 29 16:00:36 2002:

My 802.11 device works in the 2.4GHz range.  I thought that was the 
standard.


#74 of 76 by krj on Fri Mar 29 16:13:50 2002:

Here's a business article on XM satellite radio which gives some 
customer numbers:
 
http://musicdish.com/mag/?id=5575
 
In a press release on their 10K filing with the SEC, XM says it 
had 28,000 subscribers at the end of 2001, and they claim that 
makes their system "the fastest selling audio product 
introduction in the last 20 years."   They say they are on track 
for 70,000 subscribers at the end of the first quarter of 2002.


#75 of 76 by gull on Sat Mar 30 01:11:55 2002:

Re #73: That's the industrial usage band, then.  My microwave oven claims to
operate on 2450 MHz.  (They're quite frequency-unstable, though, so I
doubt that's what you'd see on a frequency counter.)


#76 of 76 by gelinas on Sat Mar 30 04:48:14 2002:

Right; the 2.4GHz (2400MHz) band is "Medical, Science, Technology" and
includes microwaves and pacemakers.  That's why the warning signs about
pacemakers are up in places that have microwaves: they really can interfere
with one another, but the pacemaker is the more likely to notice.


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