I am going to buy my friend's electric guitar and amp. Not very fancy, but I don't want fancy for now. Have never taken guitar lessons in my life and don't plan on it. She dropped it off at my house last night and I've been twanging my fool head off. So, for the musically inclined Grexers... are there any good websites that demonstrate basic chords and such? How do I start out? I did a search, but most guitar tab sites are based on a specific artist's music. I need to know where my fingers go for each chord. (Supposedly, "Smoke on the Water" is easy to learn) :)86 responses total.
Go downtown, find a music store and study Chet's guitar coarse. You'll get C and E and maybe a bit of D.
Have you tried the library for a basic book on playing guitar?
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re0: larry sandberg: chords and tunings for fretted instruments oak publications get a cheap tuner or pitchpipe too.
Hey Bees, the best places to find tab on the web, IMHO, are TabCrawler.com and OGLA.com....pair that with a cd player or a bank of Mp3's and you're good to go. /
http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/instruction.html
Thanks... will check these out tomorrow, after I sleep a long long time.
are you good at picking up stuff by ear?
Yeah. That's how I taught myself clarinet in 6th grade :)
buy a book that has songs you already like and also has the cord names/fingerings printed above the music. or, two books .... one with songs you like (or just 'know) with the cord NAMES printed on teh music ... and the second book would be a dictionary of guitar chords. the dictionary can be fairly simple, not 2.5 inches thinck ....
I don't know about now, but when I was a novice musician, the Holy Grail was a book called "Chord Chemistry" which was like a grad-level advanced textbook with page after page of chords no one but the most avant garde or sophisticated jazz player would ever use. However, in terms of theory, it really helped expand one's knowledge after learning the open (or what I call "campfire" chords), the bars (actually "barre" if I recall correctly) and the basic inversions and seventh chords.
/tpryan now has Nate Bucklin's "One Chord Songs" stuck in his head.
Speaking of guitars, this seems like an appropriate place for this. Hey, TS, remember that guitar you borrowed from me? The one you refused to give back when I asked for you to return it? The one that you claimed was stolen? Wouldn't have been if you gave it back. Howsabout you pay for it? I'll take the $200 I paid, even though it's probably over $300 with interest and everything.
I have a Roy Clark Big Note Song Book for guitar.
uhhhh, no, russ, i have no recollection of any event between you and me that even vaguely resembles #13. honest! i guess we could have some chinese sometime and try to figure out what you are talking about - call me.
Well, TS, I just checked with a mutual friend of ours who remembers the guitar and the fact that I loaned it to you. I'm sure that I could turn up several others who could attest to the provenance of the guitar and a few other details, such as that you had it in your possession. Looks like you've got two choices: you can either pay me for the guitar, or you can be known as a liar AND a thief. What do you want it to be?
(pops some popcorn)
I think it's cute how russ likes to accuse people of things. He once said he had some similar dirt on me but he was apparently too chicken to come out and say what it might have been. I refuse to believe that his silence on the matter, after making a big production of his "information", was due to any kind of sense of decency. I, for one, dont believe his accusations against TS.
I, for one, don't care either way.
Having met TS when he came in asking for a favor at Kiwanis that took Jim an hour (hunting up some old equipment for him) and he just sat there and refused to help test things while Jim was doing him a favor, I would be more inclined to believe Russ. I have not noticed Russ saying anything accusatory or even unkind about anyone else (unlike TSTY).
Well, it isnt worth enough to me to get into an argument about it.
Maybe this whole matter could go into e-mail, or at least into its own item.
I think the reason russ brought it up in public rather than in email is that private communication got him nowhere. If people are done talking about learning to play the guitar, I would be interested in discussing why it is sometimes necessary to make public instead of private accusations. If nothing else, it might make the aggrieved party feel a bit better, plus they are maybe trying to warn other people. Does it help to involve other people who know both parties in this discussion, as well as people who don't know either of them?
I know and like both tsty and russ, and am unhappy to see the discussion which has arisen between them in this item.
no...i think it belongs RIGHT HERE!
*snitches some of happyboy's popcorn and offers him a beer*
*cracks beer open* mmmmm! i LOVE Papst!
Pabst isn't beer. It's yeast-flavored Coca-Cola.
Wot?!? I thought you mostly liked *bapst*
You don't have to take my word for it, Sindi. If you really want to get an earful about TS Taylor, have a chat with Tom (bookie). Tom was TS's business partner, until... well, I'll let him tell you. I got off comparatively easy. (Chinese, huh? I bet he expected me to buy him dinner again. Did anyone get the impression that he was going to treat me?)
I got the impression he meant for you each to pay for your own meal. Thank god you saw through his evil scheme before it was too late..
From the two previous postings, I get the vague impression that russ treated tsty to a meal at a restaurant and tsty invited russ to a restaurant and russ for some reason expected that tsty would return the favor by treating him. But I really cannot figure out what is going on here - did I miss something? My point in mentioning our experience with tsty was that we did him a favor and he refused to compensate us for the time we put into it. We had to stay an hour late to do the work that Jim could not do because he was helping tsty, and that tsty would not do while Jim was helping him. (Easy stuff, plugging in clock radios to see if they work, etc.). This is why I would be more inclined to believe Russ's side of a story when he claims that he did something for tsty (lent him a guitar) and tsty did not return the favor (or the guitar). I notice that tsty is not participating in this discussion.
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Well, the way the incident with TS and Jim is perceived by Sindi certainly says a lot about *her*.
re28: ok, what kind of beer do *you* drink when *you* drive?
Sindi says: My point in mentioning our experience with tsty was that we did him a favor and he refused to compensate us for the time we put into it. Ummmmmmmmmm...... correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the very nature of "doing someone a favor" incompatible with grousing that you weren't compensated? (In other words, I agree with #34.) #35> I prefer Barenjager. But that's not beer, that's a REAL man's drink.
I don't know what the problem is between russ and tsty, adn I do not care. But this is not the place to discuss it. Keesan, when someone comes into my place of business and I help them, I do not expect them to work in order to pay me back. It is either a favor, which requires no payback, or is for cash, which is what they pay me for, or is because I want to get something out of my way.
this is the PERFECT place to discuss it, cretin. go take a shower.
Apparently, it's not the place to discuss the problem between russ and testy, it's the place to discuss the problem between sindi and testy. ;}
sindi has a *problem* with testes...pass it on...
What's that? Sindi doesn't like Orestes? she has something against Greek drama?
...pass it on...
Her opinion of tsty based on one instance shouldn't have any factual bearing on the reality of another instance unrelated to her. That would be like Republicans claiming that Bill Clinton was a bad president just because he had an affair with an inter... oh, wait. Nevermind.
Re #23: You're right, Sindi. I brought it up to warn others. Also because I'm pissed off. TS claimed to me that the guitar had gone missing along with most everything he had as a result of a household situation gone wrong. Notice that he's not sticking to that story; if he had he would have said something like "Hey, I was robbed too, I can't afford to pay you back - maybe someday." But he didn't. Instead he denied any knowledge of what both he and I (and others) know very well, which is that my property went missing while in his possession. That makes him a liar. Given that he's a liar, I'll bet the story of the household situation was probably a fabrication too (to have a reason for my property not being returned). That makes him a thief as well. I strongly suggest that nobody, here or anywhere, trust a liar and a thief with anything they want to keep - whether it is something they own, or any other kind of trust. If TS wants to come clean, all he has to do is pay me. Or he can sue me for libel to defend his non-existent reputation. I expect monkeys to fly out of my butt before either happens.
Doesn't this belong somewhere else? M-net? The Playground? US Court system? Spread hate. Reap hate.
Re #31: I treated him last time, Mike; I figured his situation was bad enough to be worthy of charity. He owes me. (Not that I'd accept now; I would not knowingly sit down to dinner with someone who either lied to me or stole from me.) Re #32: Got it in one, Sindi. Re #43: Combine the independent and unrelated (except via tsty) experiences of bookie, russ and sindi. Tell me if you evaluate differently after that.
Jim and I were not being paid. We were volunteers at Kiwanis and were already putting in too much time. Customers do not normally come in after hours while we are testing equipment, or demand that volunteers continue looking for equipment for them for an hour. He could have come on Saturday morning and waited in line for his 5 minutes of Jim's time like everyone else. For special treatment like he got, to someone we did not even know, I would expect ANYONE to help us out in exchange. Other people had done so. I don't recall that we even got any thanks. I hope this at makes Russ feel like he has a bit of support. We have also run into people who think that if you lend them something it must not be worth anything to you in the first place, and now we only lend things out that we don't care about.
I understand your annoyance, Sindi, although supporting accusations that someone's a thief (slander) based on evidence that someone's a jerk isn't sound in my book.
Would people mind terribly if I unlink this from the music conference and copy the first few responses about guitar resources to a new item?
I'd think that was up to Bees, if anyone.
If you read my original comment, brighn, you will not that I am not accusing anyone of stealing anything. I only said that I personally am more likely to believe Russ's side of the story because of the way tsty treated us. This is a simple statement of fact. And I can understand how Russ could be upset about how he was treated after doing favors for tsty that were not only not returned but abused.
Unlink, Puhlease.
And having know tsty for a long time, worked with him, and seen him give generously of his time to certain causes, I am more likely to believe tsty If we got his story.
the truth will ooze out if you wring his ponytail.
Re #45: Don't you mean "Steal from people, lie to people, reap their disdain"? Or do you really think that someone who steals and lies shouldn't suffer any consequences, social or otherwise? I didn't know that TS was lying until I saw response #13. Up to that time I gave him the benefit of the doubt. No longer; he's hoist on his own petard, probably because he couldn't remember what explanation he'd made up this time. (That's a good argument for telling the truth; it's so much easier to keep straight.)
Uhhh, it appears that response #13 is by you, Russ.
He meant #15.
Yes. Unlink. Or something. Do I have power to freeze the item?
Yup
Aw, c'mon. This is almost as entertaining as m-net. :)
"unlink" doesn't seem to be a recognized Picospan command. Bees, I'll send you mail and we'll set up how we want to create a second copy of your item.
A fair-witness can "kill" an item, which unlinks it from his or her conference and leaves it in all other conferences it is linked to, so kill is probably what you mean by unlink.
I stole a guitar of happyboy's. He cant have it back either. You know what I do with it? I play it. Now that is a crime because I dont know how to play a guitar or even how to tune it. **evil grin** Anyhow, one thing I can say about russ is that he gives me a good laugh now and then. I love how he is going on about how his public accusation of TS is doing everyone a favor so they can know to avoid lending him anything when all he is really doing is being kind of a jerk. It's almost as funny as his comment about how he offered to help edit Popular Science and they for some strange reason didnt take him up on his offer. HMMMM??? It would be like me offering to pose nude in Playboy and then wondering why they wouldnt take me up on my offer. HAHAHAHAHA!
Has this happened?
No. While I have no desire to pose for Playboy, it really is good that I dont because I am sure they wouldnt want me. I am about as unlike a Playboy Bunny as one can get ;)
You mean, intelligent?
Heh. I am sure that there are Playboy bunnies who are intelligent.
steinem
Whoa. I've been catching up on M-Net's agora.cf
so I got a little confused and thought I should
doublecheck the IP address . .
Guitar is my worst instrument, I swear.
I tried different guitar teachers and they
all flunked. I put some attention span into
this one chart of guitar chord positions, a one
page sheet with about 100 chord diagrams on it.
I picked the easiest and most common ones and
practiced them and highlited them in yellow as
I went. About 15 of them.
A talented guitar player reviewed it and frowned,
shaking his head. "Shaky" he said. I said what.
"Misleading".
If I ever try again, I want one of those electric guitars
with incredibly low action. I tried this one dude's
Gibson SG, I think it was, the same Pete Who uses.
Ever tried to tune a guitar that's not calibrated
correctly? It's impossible and so frustrating.
A guitar has to be correctly setup and maintained
by a professional luthier.
I'll disagree with most of what you said. A guitar is one of the cheapest instruments you can buy yet have a range of what you can do with it. For $400 you can have a decent instrument. And it's easy enough to teach yourself the basics, really. Ask the billons of kids and adults that have done it and have had a great time. I'm one of 'em. Not that lessons can't be helpful, but unlike classical instruments, it sure ain't necessary. It's also dead easy to tune. Unless you have a really warped guitar. And I don't know of any instrument that can be easily tuned when damaged. You want hard? Get yourself an instrument without frets, play it with a band of horsehair, and have the strings cost $50 each. ;-)
um...mary, your not SUPPOSED to play a fretless banjer with a fiddle bow. good lord!
Now you tell me. That explains a lot.
It has to be warped if you use a bow. Otherwise you can only play the outside strings.
There is warped and there is curved.
It all depends on how bent you are.
ok...straighten up, you two.
Yeah, and try to avoid circular reasoning.
man, I hate this pun stuff. I always feel pressured to join. I will not give in, I will not bend to conform to this item. I hate you all.
Sorry, you must bow to the punishment of the situation...
You must have some serious guts to post a pun like that, Kev ol' buddy.
Nah, somebody pulled his strings.
this sounds like it's resonating with you, slynne.
Oh, so now we're playing musical puns, hmm? It's all just canon fodder to me.
i'm note gonna respond to tha...doh!
Canon - makes me think of Taco Bell... ;-)
You guys are playing with fire, I'll tune in later and take note of the score.
You have several choices: