I don't have much to add, as I didn't watch the thing. However, as a folk music fan, let me extend my congratulations to the winner of the Best Contemporary Folk Album category, the late Warren Zevon. (*coff*) Since, being recently dead, Zevon was going to win any category he was nominated in, perhaps NARAS should have nominated him in the Best Polka category as well.86 responses total.
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Is that what is killing the music industry? Yep, a two fold attack they can't seem to get past.
Hip hop culture that glorifies illegal acts and encourages a no-holds-barred freedom to do what you want, including the downloading of music rather than the purchase of overpriced CD's; and a failure to publish music acceptable to the public looking for good music, not rap.
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(IIRC, Ken does not favour the removal of items. So this item is safe, jp2.)
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Hey bruce, NEWSFLASH: More people consider Rap "good music" than anything you'd refer to by that label. (I'm not one of them, but at least I recognize that my tastes do not equate to universal truth.)
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I have a feeling that you might be wrong, other. (Bruce has a very diversified musical taste, incorporating classical, rock, pop, barbershop, folk, world, and other things I'm not thinking of right now.) If you were speaking to me, you would more likely be right, since I am not very catholic in my taste (folk, world, 80s rock, some big band...).
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I listen to Rock And Roll!!!, Classical, ElectroTEchno, PsytechnoElectro, Raps, PsyRap, Psyrock, Psychedellic Rock, Rock and Psychedellic, World/Ethno, Pop. Rock, Pop. psy. rock, IDM, and PsIDM.
I listen to all types of music, though i try to avoid country.
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Is it because you hate niggers ?
doh!
when i read 0, i hear the voice of peckar's geek friend in american splendor. actually most of the posts on grex make me think of that guy's voice. would you like a gourmet jellybean, ken?
Do they make them in Organic Merlot?
i don't think so. the pina colada is good.
Btw, the Funk Celebration made the whole show worth it, from EWF to the nouveau guys. I even enjoyed S.L. Jackson's histrionics. And seeing the venerable George Clinton honored so lavishly made my whole week.
george is my favorite hairdresser
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dont do zevon dont do folk
yawn.
I've never been a rap fan. I like music that has a melody. I also don't particularly like the culture around rap, where you seem to need "street cred" (i.e., a criminal record) to be considered legitimate.
perhaps you should amend that to read "the culture around one popular type of rap.."
I've got a bunch of Public Enemy CDs. Much different than the "gansta rap" which is more popular.
resp:25 Whoa, if you would extrapolate that all rap has no melody, that I would say that's false. If you go back to the original members of the rap group that was 213 and the G-funk genre of rap, I think you would find melodic elements that are still around somewhat. 213 was Nate Dogg, Warren G, and Snoop Dogg. Nate Dogg sang while the other two have been noted for a very melodic rap style. Granted, Warren G never had much of a career and was more of a producer, but there is no denying that Snoop Dogg has a very successful career. If you define melody in your music as singing-- okay, rap does little to no singing at all. But Warren G and Snoop Dogg are two solid examples of rap artists who have a very tonal style.
the rap i ahvelistened to is pre-civilization ranting. another embolism on civility. but back to the whatevers awards.... ustin timberlake ought NOT to hve been allowed to participate. he , imnsho, previousoly committed an assualt (pre-staged) on the woman who was hte victim (pre-staged). and that asault is about to become standard practice in several high scools acros this great land. VeryuchMoreisthePity. respect for a singular human;s integrety is a bulwark of america. the barbarians may disagree ..... but to any avail IFF qualty americans are able to run away and cower.
hVE YOU BEEN DRINKING AGAIN?
I can't remember an opinion blip I was as eager to distance myself from as I am from the anti-Janet opinion blip. Doesn't Congress et al realize how ridiculous they look?
It isn't just Janet JAckson adn Justin Timberlake, it is the culture they brought to the forefront by their actions. It is MAdonna, Britany Spears, and others who want to "Shock and Awe the american public. They create visual and audio trainwrecks that call to our more base mentality. We stop and look. They rake in the cash from higher ratings.
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For once I agree with Jamie... if you want free markets, you have to accept that perhaps the best seller will be smut.
In fact, that's usually the horse to bet on.
it isn't the best seller that is a threat. In fact, if people want to produce porn and put it on a pay for view channel, I have no problem with that. (WEll, okay, I really do have a problem with that, but I can compromise.) But, I do not want to see nudity on prime time tv. I do not want it on cable only TV. If people want to see this, it should be on direct subscription only. And lets raise the bar here. Lets stop the sex scenes on soap operas. Lets stop the sexual inuendo in our videos. I read porn from time to time, and I don't have a problem with that. I do have a problem with it in what is supposed to be a family show. If I want porn, I can go buy Playboy. If I really want something more graphic, I can go buy Hustler. If I want to watch the sex acts, I cn rent a video. I do not need it on broadcast TV>
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Are TV commercials still based on sex?
You know, bru, the reason this stuff is so popular is because of the prevalence of attitudes like yours. If people like you would learn to ignore this crap and stop passing on your fears of the human form and sexual functions to the next generation, this stuff would lose its power over you.
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Vote for what you like and dislike by TURNING OFF THE PROGRAM. Duh.
That's what bugs me a little about attitudes like bru's. It's one thing if people want to limit their own viewing choices -- that's healthy, and fully within their rights. But I dislike it when people start trying to limit the choices the rest of us have just because they don't personally like them.
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re: "#41 (gsibbery): They'd go broke in a week." Is that, sir, why G/PG movies typically make a lot more money than Rs?
47: I dare you to back that up with legitimate data. The 'R' rating is widely recognized as by far the most revenue generating rating for the American film industry.
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But, I am not only worried about me. In fact, I am not worried about me at all. What I am worried about are the parents who use TV as a babysitter, adn don't pay attention to what their children are watching. When I was growing up, parents didn't have to worry about what I was watching on TV. It was all fairly wholesome. Nowdays, you have to be aware that many programs are either violent or perverse.
Maybe parents shouldn't be letting TV do their parenting for them. What ever happened to individual responsibility?
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49: Those numbers are not enough to make the case. Try the top one hundred grossing films of the last forty years.
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Ok, the last 35 years. Whatever.
You would also have to control for the proportions of each types of movies made, and whether the reason some movies make more money is because of their content or because of the rating itself.
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regarding several previous responses: Inflation-adjusted box-office lists are available at boxofficemojo.com and at washingtonpost.com. sorry I haven't got the exact URL immediately at hand, but the list at http://boxofficemojo.com is very easy to find. The inflation-adjusted lists agree much more with my idea of what popular American film culture is, or should be. I know Eric's in The Business, but everything I see in the mainstream press says that the conventional wisdom is that PG-13 is the optimum rating for financial success, for any single film. There was a lot of fuss in 2003 when the Matrix sequels became the first R-rated films to break the $200 million level. My perception is that over the last few years the number of "mainstream" R-rated films has dwindled. I remind folks this is the Grammy Awards item, and not the Super Bowl item or the Janet Jackson item. :/
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O.K., Mr. other. Do you give up yet?
Top 20 Grossing Movies by Rating (Top 100 Since 1998)
Year G PG PG-13 R
2002 1 6 13 0
2001 2 4 10 4
2000 0 3 12 5
1999 2 3 7 8
1998 3 3 9 5
8 19 51 22
Re resp:59: I wonder that, too. I find the "violence is okay, but sex is not" attitude kind of odd when I stop to think about it. Re resp:63: Those numbers square pretty well with what I've heard. An R rating is considered somewhat of a negative, but a G rating is considered the kiss of death for anything but a children's film. I've heard in some cases studios will intentionally notch up the content of a film so it will get a PG or PG-13 instead of a G, just like they'll sometimes tone it down to get a PG-13 instead of an R.
Speaking as a parent, I did in fact raise my children without letting tv be the babysitter. There was only one tv in the house and if they were watching, so was a parent. If there was any violence or nudity that went beyond my comfort boundaries, off it went. (And I admit it, I am a big prude. Sex in movies -- even the PG13 varieties -- is something that makes me uncomfortable. Violence in most contexts (unless very clearly sf/fantasy, as in rayguns and swords) also makes me really uncomfortable. I don't watch it. I carefully read spoiler reviews of movies so I don't go to things that will make me uncomfortable, and I tend to like Disney movies A LOT.) I may have made mistakes as a parent, but I do feel happy that I was careful about this when they were small.
i'm glad you're a prude.
I'm just glad in general.
Get out your calendars: I admit I'm wrong that R rated films outsell PG rated according to the numbers you provided. I'd like to ask, however, if those numbers reflect first run, box office only, or total earnings.
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Considering that their is only 3 ways for an animated
Disney Villian to die (mostly all by their own actins):
1) Fall of a cliff, ledge or whatnot, from high above to unsurvivable
below.
2) Consumed by fire.
3) Fall of a cliff into a firey pit.
I would be interested in profit per rating type.
Right, I was going to say: The statistic you really want, to judge the power of different types of movies, is the total profit/revenue from R-rated movies last year vs. the total profit/revenue from PG-13 movies last year. It might be (I really don't know) that the top few movies are all G/PG-13, but that there are many more R-rated movies than the rest, and so they make up the difference in volume.
"Profit" is a much more easily manipulated figure, particularly with respect to motion pictures. Further, would not the number of releases by rating category not also be relevant??
"Always ask for a piece of the gross, not a piece of the net. The net is fantasy." -- Freakazoid.
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Fair enough, then - the number of movies in each category, and their total gross. That should tell you the relative power of the rating classes.
Movie industry accounting is as crooked as it comes.
EFVEN FAMOUS HOLLYWOOD MOVIE STARS WEAR FR#EDOM RIBBONS
I think in most cases you can assume that the number of movies made in any given catagory closely tracks the amount of revenue earned in the previous few years by movies in that category.
We don't believe that Hollyweird has figured that trick out yet.
When blind idiocy can replace pure reason at will, like that, it's no wonder the planet's still in such a state.
I've sort of managed to lose the thread here, but I would remind folks that free-market theory claims that all profitable projects will be done. Thus, even if one proves that a PG-13 movie is more profitable than an R-rated movie, as long as the R-rated movie can be made profitably, it will be. Michael Medved, who used to be a fun bad-movie critic before he veered off into cultural conservatism, complained that Hollywood creative types make movies which offend mainstream America in order to gain status with their peers, and he mostly thought this was a bad thing. Seems like normal human behavior to me, though. Arts markets are not entirely about return on investment.
Being offensive for any other reason than that you've got something to say that just happens to be offensive, is -- offensive.
Hey, the 2006 Grammys are tomorrow night. Maybe this years will generate some interest, eh? I'm looking foreward to the Gorillaz/Madonna bit!
(( I started a new item for the 2006 Grammy Awards, so it can be linked into the new Music conference which should open to the public any hour now. item:211 in the old music conference. ))
Note from the future... I wish I'd backed up this conference before response deletion became such a fad.
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