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Entered by twenex on Mon Jul 21 06:15:31 2003:

When I find myself in times of trouble,
That Penguin Tux, he comes to me,
Speaking Words of Wisdom, 'Format C:'
And in my hour darkness, he is standing right in front of me,
Speaking Words of Wisdom, 'Format C:'
Format C:, Format C:, Format C:, Format C:,
Speaking Words of Wisdom, Format C:

And when the broken-hearted people living in the worlde agree,
"Make us free of Windows!", Format C:
You can use GNUparted, install Linux/Plan9/BSD,
You know how the Wind blows, Format C:
Format C:. Format C:, Format C:, Format C:,
Sod it, install Linux/BSD
Format C:, Format C:, Format C:, Format C:,
Whisper Words of Wisdom, Format C:

And when the night is cloudy, 'cos your CD's 'mapped from D: to E:,
Rid yourself of Windows, Format C:
I wake up to the Sound of Mandrake; Slack with LILO or GRUB comforts me,
Speaking Words of Wisdom, Format C:
Format C:, Format C: Format C:, yeah Format C:,
Chuck that lousy Windblows, Format C:
Format C:, Format C:, Format C:, Format C:,
(Oh Lord) Make us free of Windows, Format C:
44 responses total.

#1 of 44 by other on Mon Jul 21 08:22:10 2003:

Lennon would be chuckling in his grave.


#2 of 44 by sj2 on Mon Jul 21 09:06:24 2003:

I am but not in my grave ;-)

I installed Redhat Linux for my cousin who would frequently complain 
of viruses and all sorts of problems on Windows. I would have to drive 
almost 60kms to fix problems for him. So I finally decided to 
experiment with Linux on the desktop for him. Its been over two years 
now and he hasn't complained once since then. ofcourse, all he uses is 
the mail client and the text editor.

My laptop is a dual-boot, Redhat Linux 9.0 and Windows 2000 Pro. 
Sadly, my ISDN Modem has no drivers for Linux and I use the webcam 
often while chatting on Yahoo. So I use Linux only when I writing 
something in Perl. :(

Other than this, I'd be happy to get rid of windows. After I installed 
Norton AV on the laptop its become slower. I also need to install a 
personal firewall on the Windows coz I am paranoid. That means further 
slowing of my P-III 650MHz/128RAM laptop. 

At my workplace I have Windows XP on a P4 1.8GHz/128MB RAM. Its 
sloooooow. But I got only the XP license with my new desktop, so have 
to live with XP at the office. :(


#3 of 44 by janc on Mon Jul 21 14:23:17 2003:

Hmmm...as song parodies go, that's kind of lame.


#4 of 44 by twenex on Mon Jul 21 14:37:00 2003:

hey gimme a break, first effort.


#5 of 44 by twenex on Mon Jul 21 14:46:31 2003:

Waaaah! That was a bit whiney, wasn't it? I'll try to do better next time on
both counts


#6 of 44 by novomit on Mon Jul 21 14:52:01 2003:

I thought it was pretty funny.


#7 of 44 by twenex on Mon Jul 21 15:13:00 2003:

As i penance (and also because i want to), thankyou other, sj2, and novomit


#8 of 44 by gull on Mon Jul 21 15:40:29 2003:

I think the 'Hotel California' parody that's in the Jellyware conference
is one of the better ones I've seen.


#9 of 44 by twenex on Mon Jul 21 17:44:32 2003:

There's a lamer who's sure, all that glitters is gold,
and he's buying a stairway to Redmond
When he gets there, he knows, if the comps are all hosed,
It's Ctrl-Alt-Del, Reboot, then Reinstall

Woe oh oh oh oh oh oh
And he's buying a stairway to Redmond

There's a sing on the wall, but he wants to be sure,
Can't be bothered with dealing with these things,
With Windows, there's no book, just a booklet with rings,
That you know all those users aren't reading

(Chorus)

There's a feeling I get when i look to the West,
And my spirit is crying for fleeing
In my thoughts i have seen, protection rings, direct'ry trees
but 64K's not enough, for segmenting

(Chorus)

And it's whispered that soon, if we all call the tune,
Microsoft Inc. will buy US Fed Gov,
But a new day will dawn, for those who stand long(),
And the Forces of Darkness will falter

And it makes me wonder,

If there's a flaw in your big lawsuit,
Don't be alarmed now,
It's just some small change for IBM,

Yes there are two paths - you can switch to C:,
but in the long run,
There's still time to move to SQL

Drive heads are humming and then won't go, because you don't know,
Bill Gates is forcing you to buy more
Steve Ballmer's just a front man, just a yes-man,
And he can go and piss in the wind

And as we wind on down the road,
Our drives much larger than before,
There walks a marketeer we all know
Who shines white light, whose system blows
And Windows still grows lots of mould,
ANd if you listen very hard,
The truth will come to you at last,
When all are one and one is all,
Why buy a crock? just buy a Rolls,
Woh oh oh, oh oh oh oh,
And he's buying a stairway to Redmond


#10 of 44 by jaklumen on Mon Jul 21 21:50:26 2003:

When Linux emulates MS Office and I can install it without losing my 
mind, I'll consider it.


#11 of 44 by glenda on Mon Jul 21 23:41:14 2003:

Mandrake has such a thing.  You can actually install Windows inside Mandrake
and run all you Windows applications from inside, knowing that Windows can't
talk to the outside and the outside cannot talk to windows.  I may re-install
Mandrake rather than SuSe just for that reason.


#12 of 44 by novomit on Tue Jul 22 16:03:10 2003:

Linux is actually about as easy as Windows to install nowadays (doesn't apply
to Slackware or Debian). There aren't as many Office Apps so many people
aren't willing to bother making the switch, though. 


#13 of 44 by twenex on Tue Jul 22 16:17:54 2003:

No there aren't as many apps. Yet. And Linux is no harder to install unless
you buy Slackware or Debian (even then, it's probably not much harder unless
you "lose your mind" at a non-graphical menu). And no-one sells dual boot
Linux/Windows machines because if they do, M$ revokes their Windows licence.
And Microsoft isn't a monopolist? Yeah right. Maybe Charles Manson should get
in touch with their lawyers and marketing people. Maybe they can convince
everyone he's not a serial killer.


#14 of 44 by scott on Tue Jul 22 16:39:51 2003:

Mandrake & SuSe are both pretty easy to install, and come with OpenOffice
which is mostly MS Office compatible.


#15 of 44 by novomit on Tue Jul 22 19:40:00 2003:

Slackware is actually pretty easy to install now, but doesnt give you a GUI
installer. You get full directions on screen though. havent used Debian in
a couple of years so not sure how far their installer has come. 


#16 of 44 by krj on Tue Jul 22 19:56:15 2003:

   ((( Agora 100 linked as Music 152, by request )))


#17 of 44 by janc on Tue Jul 22 20:36:32 2003:

Linux is not easier to install than Windows, because Windows comes already
installed on your computer (for 99.99% of all buyers).  That whooping huge
factor aside, yes, Linux is easier.


#18 of 44 by mynxcat on Tue Jul 22 20:38:29 2003:

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#19 of 44 by twenex on Tue Jul 22 21:34:59 2003:

Re 18 - this is my fault; since it's filk, i asked for the item to be linked.
after response 18. sorry.


#20 of 44 by mynxcat on Tue Jul 22 21:51:11 2003:

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#21 of 44 by russ on Wed Jul 23 03:07:14 2003:

Re #2:  I'm running a Windows-free household, and doing just fine.
RH 9.0 has a few glitches here and there in its implementation of
Open Office (if you save your setup and log out with an open
spreadsheet or PowerPoint-clone drawing, the window that restarts
is a word-processor instead), but on the whole it is very nice.
I'm playing with the formula editor just to try to capture some
equations that I'm doing on paper - it is fun!

Some things are not well-polished yet, but when millions of people
have the full source you know it's not going to be long.  Microsoft's
days are numbered.


#22 of 44 by rcurl on Wed Jul 23 05:35:19 2003:

Let's see, Microsoft was incorporated on June 25, 1981, so today is
somewhere around number 8,060.....and tomorrow will be around 8,061....


#23 of 44 by novomit on Wed Jul 23 11:45:35 2003:

Before Microsoft's days are numbered, the apps that most people want will have
to be made to run under Linux. I have some software that helps train you to
learn other languages. It runs natively under Windows. You can tell people
to use WINE or something similar but that takes a lot of know how, something
that most users arent interested in. So I'd say that until more practical
software is ported to Linux that the common user will really want, M$ is still
on firm ground. Since most Linuces seem to be concentrating on the server side
of business, it might be a while yet. 


#24 of 44 by scott on Wed Jul 23 12:38:01 2003:

I'd say that most Linux distributions are targetting some odd niche, and there
are a lot of odd niches and therefore a lot of distros.

Distros like Mandrake and SuSe are targetting the desktop, and doing a great
job.  I'm currently playing with Mandrake 9.1 on my new computer and it's easy
to install and quite elegant to use.  Plus it comes with OpenOffice (major
office suite), GIMP (photo editor which compares quite favorably to
Photoshop), and a bunch of other stuff.  Support for a lot of hardware,
printers, USB stuff, cameras, etc.

Maybe it doesn't have the thorough hardware & app compatibility, but I'd
rather live with that sort of shortcoming than be prey to every virus which
comes along.


#25 of 44 by novomit on Wed Jul 23 13:19:37 2003:

The hardware compatibility problems have gotten a lot better recently. Used
to be that you'd have to be careful of what kind of hardware you used with
Linux, but now I find that I can install it with little problem on most PC's
that I come across. 


#26 of 44 by gull on Wed Jul 23 13:48:46 2003:

It installs and runs on most systems, now.  If you have "weirdtech"
hardware like video capture cards or scanners it can be a bit touch and
go, though.  My scanner worked great under RedHat 7.3, but since I
upgraded to 8.0 it's never worked again.


#27 of 44 by scott on Wed Jul 23 14:56:59 2003:

Speaking of which, my new computer (one of those small Shuttle PCs) has the
NVidia video, network, and sound chipsets.  The video and sound worked fine
with both RedHat 9.0 and Mandrake 9.1 installs, and the network started
working after I downloaded the (binary-only) drivers from NVidia's website.
I'm using it right now, having just gotten the network going!


#28 of 44 by slynne on Wed Jul 23 15:21:41 2003:

The day that Linux is more dependable and cheaper than Windows is the 
day that businesses will start to use it. *Then* Microsoft will have a 
problem. 


#29 of 44 by scott on Wed Jul 23 16:06:47 2003:

Guess what?  Linux is cheaper, more dependable, and IBM is selling it all over
the place.  :)


#30 of 44 by dcat on Wed Jul 23 16:21:37 2003:

Last I asked, IBM was not selling Linux for personal machines.  Wal*Mart, on
the other hand, *does* sell PCs with Mandrake installed, although I think only
by mail order.  (In the store, you can get them w/ blank drives and install
your own OS.)  They're about 300-400 USD, IIRC.


#31 of 44 by slynne on Wed Jul 23 16:27:32 2003:

Then Microsoft has a problem!


#32 of 44 by novomit on Wed Jul 23 16:52:41 2003:

Not so sure. I don't hear many commercials or ads touting the cheaper Mandrake
PC's. If few people hear about it, then they won't get bought, regardless of
its merits. A little more PR might be in order. 


#33 of 44 by twenex on Fri Jul 25 17:26:03 2003:

Re #30: would IBM selling Linux for PC's be influential? Wouldn't it be better
if Dell and or HP started selling it? Maybe if IBM (and Toshiba) started
distributing it in laptops. I don't know what IBM's ranking among Pc vendors
is, but I gather they aren't that high up.


#34 of 44 by dcat on Fri Jul 25 19:53:59 2003:

HP's Thai subsidiary now sells laptops and desktops with a Thai-language
edition of Linux, subsidised by the Thai government.  The story at
[http://asia.cnet.com/newstech/systems/0,39001153,39129420,00.htm] mentions
that "None of the large U.S.-based PC makers--HP, IBM and Dell--are known to
sell consumer desktops or notebook with the Linux OS pre-installed."


#35 of 44 by tod on Fri Jul 25 19:57:58 2003:

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#36 of 44 by gull on Tue Aug 12 21:07:14 2003:

Dell did sell desktop PCs with Linux, but backed off, apparently under
pressure from Microsoft.  They still sell servers with Linux.


#37 of 44 by dbratman on Thu Aug 21 06:09:34 2003:

You know, the idea that one manufacturer (of software) can threaten a 
retailer into not carrying the products of another manufacturer 
absolutely amazes me, and strikes me as profoundly un-American.


#38 of 44 by gull on Thu Aug 21 13:27:22 2003:

It's just the free market at work.  Or so Republicans would have us
believe. :>


#39 of 44 by jor on Mon Aug 25 00:35:46 2003:

        That's why the name of the lawsuit is
        The United States of America
        versus Microsoft


#40 of 44 by other on Tue Aug 26 22:11:40 2003:

It IS the free market at work, and it is an example of exactly why an
unregulated free market is just about as bad as a totalitarian state, if not
worse.


#41 of 44 by i on Wed Aug 27 02:34:55 2003:

Why do you think that there's any difference at all between a truely
unregulated free market and a totalitarian state?


#42 of 44 by other on Thu Aug 28 06:00:55 2003:

One might actually have the pretense of being a non-corporate governed state.
I suppose that pretense is essential to creating either, but the difference
might lie in the nature of the pretense.


#43 of 44 by pcdojo on Sun Sep 14 08:55:18 2003:

hi i have a mandrake 8.2 and a router, 3 pc's and a cable
modem.Hmmm it's not a router it 's a switch lol . And i want to share my inet
connection. How should i do it ? Dumb question i know but hey, i have been
using linux for just 3-4 days now... and everything is so simple to understand
in the man in you don't know the basics.
10x


#44 of 44 by mcnally on Sat Sep 20 08:03:24 2003:

  Many home network switches have connection-sharing stuff built in but
  if your switch is just a switch you'll probably need to set up one of
  the computers to serve as a local gateway and do IP masquerading.
  There're almost certainly some excellent FAQs on exactly how to do this.
  I'd search for "IP masquerading" to find more info..


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