Grex Music3 Conference

Item 15: Grind your axe?

Entered by tpryan on Sun Aug 19 16:14:05 2001:

        What instrument do you play?  For your own pleasure?  To 
entertain a few freinds?  As part of a band?  
        Let us know what you play.  Maybe why.
19 responses total.

#1 of 19 by happyboy on Sun Aug 19 16:16:02 2001:

banjo. more or less in an oldtimey style (i.e. not bluegrass
cuz i can't get the hang of thos picks & rolls...yet)

teaching myself a little bottleneck as well


#2 of 19 by orinoco on Sun Aug 19 16:45:58 2001:

I played fair-to-good classical piano for years, now fading towards
fair-to-poor for lack of practice.  The one band I ever had a go at starting,
I played keyboards.  At one point, we had a song we could make it most of the
way through.

These days, I make half-assed attempts at playing mandolin and harmonica, and
at playing folk tunes on the piano.  I got sick of playing non-portable
instruments when I started travelling more and going to folk dances.


#3 of 19 by scott on Sun Aug 19 19:53:20 2001:

I play a few different things, mostly in the garage-band style.  Drums,
guitar, keyboards, harmonica, etc.  But I'm pretty good at bass; these days
I'm playing in the Nick Strange Trio a couple times a month.  I'm also working
up my guitar so I can front a party band by next winter.

I also spent a couple years studying shakuhachi, which is a Japanese flute.
Quite a different direction, playing a wind instrument and also playing
traditional "monk music".


#4 of 19 by gelinas on Sun Aug 19 22:44:19 2001:

I played sousaphone in high school.  Obligatory piano lessons when I was a
kid.  I can still play the melody line with my right hand.  I'll probably 
get a piano some time in the next year, so maybe I'll try again to learn to
play it.


#5 of 19 by otaking on Tue Aug 21 04:29:50 2001:

I played coronet in high school. I also played the recorder for a while.
Nothing in the last 10 years though.


#6 of 19 by albaugh on Wed Aug 22 04:13:00 2001:

OK, I'll "play".  :-)

I play clarinet in the Plymouth Community Band.  Clarinet was my first
instrument, other than various kinds of "chord" organs and such.  In high
school I switched over to French horn, which is what my first band teacher
wanted me to play to begin with.  I taught myself to play piano along the way,
and I like to play ragtime.  At a certain point I picked up cornet.  Last year
I got a bit of comfort playing my son's trombone.  My "specialty" instrument
has been the penny whistle, which I started playing 20 some years ago when
I took up an interest in Irish traditional music.  I have dabbled with flute
and fife, but haven't ever nailed the emboushure.  I have been composing and
arranging music for orchestra and band since high school, so I [must] know
the range and characteristics of all the instruments.  My training and playing
experience have therefore been predominantly classical.


#7 of 19 by jaklumen on Wed Apr 17 03:38:21 2002:

I play classical guitar these days.  I used to have good keyboard 
skills, but that has fallen by the wayside somewhat, i.e., I played 
piano and electric organ accompaniment for various church meetings and 
sundry and now it's not called for much.  I also had a little bit of 
studio/MIDI training, and I'd love to work in electronica again.

For many years, I was a student of the brass instruments, and I don't 
do that anymore.  I played tuba for a good while, but after I finished 
college, I don't want to do another band gig for a long, long time.  
Oddly enough, though, I enjoyed learning trombone, and I don't really 
consider myself a clowny guy.  (Trust me, trombonists are clowny..)

Yes, I'm classically trained.  It bleeds through to even my guitar 
playing, though most guitarists I've met have come to the instrument 
by a lot of improvisation; I knew classmates who were slow in playing 
by classical notation or were reluctant to play that way.

I prefer classical guitar largely because its sound speaks to me the 
most.  It's incredibly versatile and flexible; and though I may anger 
some classical pianists, you do not need to work so hard to really 
coax fine, beautiful sound.  (You are removed from the strings 
themselves on the piano.. you have to get them from depressing the 
keys, and so you are often limited to the keys, unless you employ 
unorthodox methods.)  On the other hand, while piano is easy to get 
started with, guitar can be really difficult to master all the way 
through.

Not everything should be transcribed to guitar-- I understand Segovia 
was heavily criticized when he began transcribing J.S. Bach's works-- 
but I seem to enjoy much more of the body of work.  There are some 
things transcribed to piano that I think are just horrid, because too 
many folks forget it is a *percussive* instrument, and excels when it 
is treated as such.  The guitar is quiet, relaxing, very deep in its 
layers of sonic reverbaration (sp?) for me, and I am willing to 
practice much more diligently for it than I have any other 
instrument.  I was very sad to end my formal studies at college with 
my second and last concert with the ensemble.  My classmates accepted 
me despite my green stumblings, and it didn't feel like the typical 
concert I was used to giving with other groups.  Here I was with 
friends, sharing of my *true self* to the audience.  Regrettably, we 
had some unappreciative audiences (even music students can be rude, 
but we had to make concerts a bit long to fit everyone in-- we were 
the addendenum of the department), but it was worth every moment.


#8 of 19 by coyote on Sun Apr 21 19:53:19 2002:

My primary instrument is the French horn, which I started playing my first
year of high school because I was tired of the trumpet.  It gradually and
stealthily became a bigger and bigger part of my life and now I'm finishing
up my first year of horn performance studies at the University of Michigan
(got my first jury tomorrow!), which is interesting to think about because
just a few years ago I had absolutely no intention of attending music
school.  I love ensemble playing and the people I get to meet as a horn
player, so I'm really happy that I picked it up.

I also play piano, which up until last year was my primary instrument.  I
don't remember when I started playing, apparently when I was 3 years old or
so when I'd sit down at the piano after my older sister was done practicing
and copy by ear what she was working on.  Cool as that may sound, I'm
certainly nothing spectacular as a pianist and decided that going to music
school on piano was not really an option.  I love the instrument, though, and
continue to take lessons as frequently as I can fit them into my schedule,
and I still play regularly.

I've dabbled in many other instruments, as well: viola and oboe most
seriously.  I couldn't keep all of them up and still be in school, so I
narrowed it down to just horn and piano.  I'm glad I've had the firsthand
exposure to those other instruments, though, because it's really helped me
with writing music.  I'd still like to pick up some other instruments someday,
too, maybe harp, cello (I love string quartets!), or organ, but I don't have
time right now.


#9 of 19 by dbratman on Mon Apr 22 20:49:28 2002:

Captain Jack wrote:

>There are some things transcribed to piano that I think are just
>horrid, because too many folks forget it is a *percussive* instrument,
>and excels when it is treated as such.

It does indeed; but unless you're prepared to write off Frederic Chopin 
and Erik Satie, to name two, as totally deluded, it also does pretty 
well in the quiet and contemplative department.

>The guitar is quiet, relaxing,

And can also be pretty exciting and even percussive (snapping of the 
strings, slapping the soundboard, etc.)

Since we're naming instruments, mine is the phonograph.  Highly 
versatile, easy to learn, and plays more music with less effort than 
any other.  I took to it because my desire to listen to music far 
outweighed any interest, or ability, to play it.


#10 of 19 by jaklumen on Tue Apr 23 05:37:40 2002:

You misunderstand me-- the mallet instruments (vibraphone, xylophone, 
marimba, bells) are percussive instruments, too.  These are distinctly 
put in the percussive department and many tunes written for them are 
quiet and contemplative.

As for the guitar, I am distinctly biased to the classical guitar, and 
I'll admit I forgot about the flamenco and electric versions.  As you 
know, flamenco styles are very rhythmic, providing an accompaniment 
for the dancer.  The rhythm is obsessively emphasized; it is said one 
must master it before attempting solo riffs.  Much of the percussive 
styles have roots in the flamenco tradition.

The electric guitar is different, of course; distortion is considered 
a part of the modern sound and can be modified.  It's a whole 'nother 
ball of wax..


#11 of 19 by dbratman on Wed Apr 24 16:18:20 2002:

Compare the piano music of Chopin with that of Prokofiev.  Prokofiev 
famously showed up and said that the piano was a percussive instrument, 
so he was by gum going to treat it as one.  And he certainly did.

Now, after that, listen to a Chopin Nocturne.  Is that not entirely as 
non-percussive as piano music can get?  Prokofiev was right, but he 
wasn't _exclusively_ right.

Then there's the harpsichord, which plays a lot of the same music 
(especially 18th century) but is not percussive.


#12 of 19 by jaklumen on Thu Apr 25 07:19:00 2002:

I'll have to dig up some Chopin and some Prokofiev sometime.  Of 
course, the piano is somewhat of a hybrid instrument, and therefore, 
it doesn't have to sound like its other percussive cousins.   There 
are no surviving instruments like the piano that are percussive, too.  
There was the clavichord, which hammered metal bars, but it is not 
used today except in period music.

Well, no, and that's because the harpischord *plucks* the strings.  
It's a very different sound.  The harpischord also uses justified 
intonation rather than tempered, I believe; at least to the extent 
that it must be tuned specifically to the key you are playing in.  
You've got to know how to tune a harpischord before you play one 
extensively-- or such is my understanding.

I wish I could remember what instrument bridged the gap soundwise 
between the archlute and the harpischord.  I saw it on a site 
somewhere, and I can't remember where I found it.

The celesta has also died with the times (it's a glassblown instrument 
that spins on a horizontal wheel, and you play it with moistened 
fingers), but I wonder-- what instrument classification does it fall 
under?


#13 of 19 by jaklumen on Thu Apr 25 07:19:16 2002:

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#14 of 19 by rcurl on Thu Apr 25 15:38:35 2002:

The harpsichord has been played in tempered intonation since (and before) 
Bach's "Well Tempered Clavier".  (A clavier is any keyboard instrument.) 

I don't know what "hammered metal bars" are, but the clavichord is a
stringed instrument, except the strings are struck from the side by metal
bars (tangents) raised by the keys.



#15 of 19 by orinoco on Thu Apr 25 17:40:48 2002:

Re #11:  Only if by "percussive" you mean "loud and bangy."  As Lumen's
pointed out, there's some nice quiet contemplative percussion music out there.
It still sounds like percussion; nobody would mistake it for a brass quintet
or a pipe organ.  And good piano music -- even Chopin -- is the same way. 

Uhm, what am I trying to say here?

In music for strings or winds, you can get by with a nice sustained melody
and good tone color and intonation.  On a piano, that's not enough -- the
tuning's fixed, there's not much sustain, and the tone color's pretty
constant.  Piano music, as a rule, relies more on rhythm and figuration than
wind or string music -- and you can't tell me that's not true of Chopin and
Prokofiev both.


#16 of 19 by tpryan on Thu Apr 25 23:48:22 2002:

        Thanks for waking up the item.

        I recently bought this Music Maker 6 software for the PC.
Enough samples and stuff to make myself a rap singer.  IF I only
knew what all to do with it.


#17 of 19 by jaklumen on Sun Apr 28 08:49:57 2002:

resp:14  My error.  And yes, I should have remembered-- Bach's "Well-
Tempered Clavier" was a demonstrational composition that promoted 
tempered intonation.

resp:15  As Dan pointed out, yes, the piano has some limitations due 
to its mechanics.  Stringed instruments sacrifice some precision in 
intonation, which musicians often compensate for in vibrato and quick 
corrections.  The famed violinist Iztak Perlman noted that he indeed 
made many mistakes in playing, but he was just very good at correcting 
them quickly (i.e., shift to correct).  Fretted instruments 
(mandolins, lutes, guitars) sound a little different, but there is 
still tactile contact with the string, which allows some flexibility 
(glissando, vibrato, harmonics techniques).

Granted, the piano has three pedals to further manipulate the strings: 
the damper pedal, the sostenuto pedal, and the sustain pedal.  This 
second pedal sustains any notes held when the pedal is hit, but not 
the ones played afterward.  It's good for sustaining bass lines 
comprised of chords or single notes when you want to keep the melody 
clean.

However, this is still limited in comparison, unless you get around 
the hammers by plucking and strumming the strings hands-on.  Some 
examples of compositions where this is required is Interlude VII (on 
_Fresh Aire III_) by Louis "Chip" Davis Jr., and Banshee by Eugene 
Bazaa.  The sound is eerie and ethereal.  The strings cannot be 
further manipulated, however.

You can coax out some shading and nuance through the action of the 
keys, but again, this is extremely limited.  Keyboard instruments that 
have more options generally rely on stops (which I believe is solely 
the organ these days) or digital technology.


#18 of 19 by rcurl on Sun Apr 28 18:32:54 2002:

The harpsichord has stops, including at least the register and buff stops.


#19 of 19 by jaklumen on Sun Apr 28 22:34:14 2002:

Couldn't remember-- thanks.  I didn't recall seeing them on the last 
harpischord I saw.


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