Grex Music3 Conference

Item 148: LOTR OST

Entered by jr on Fri Jun 13 21:51:04 2003:

Lord of the Rings Soundtrack - opinions so far?

Yes I know there are three parts. LOTR is a 3-part book not a trilogy in the
conventional sense.

Au revoir
10 responses total.

#1 of 10 by krj on Sat Jun 14 04:58:36 2003:

(Hi Jeff!  Thanks for poking into the conference)


#2 of 10 by polytarp on Thu Jun 19 03:24:15 2003:

HI KRJ!


#3 of 10 by tpryan on Thu Jun 19 07:06:29 2003:

        I put the $18.98 that would go into buying a soundtrack into
buying the $24.98 extended edition DVD.


#4 of 10 by dbratman on Sun Jun 22 03:04:40 2003:

The soundtrack music for "Fellowship" is competent symphonic movie-
music hackwork, nothing more.  Lots better than the music for the 1979 
Bakshi film, but a poor match for the magnificent story it's trying to 
accompany.

Biggest problems, the use of cheap sequencing rather than harmonic 
growth to build tension; and the use of imitation Celtic mush to 
represent hobbit music.  Tolkien, whose hobbits were based on English 
peasantry, not Irish, would have emitted steam from his ears could he 
have heard that.


#5 of 10 by scott on Sun Jun 22 12:12:37 2003:

On the other hand, Tolkien would probably be happy that all his other stuff
is back in publication.  All sorts of obscure things of his are now in
paperback at Borders...


#6 of 10 by orinoco on Mon Jun 23 05:39:02 2003:

Actually, all the races in the LotR movies seem to have at least some
imitation-celtic flavor.  If I remember right from seeing 'em in theaters,
there's pipe-y music and ornamental knotwork everywhere you go.  (Still, the
music and the ceilidh-ish dancing at the Hobbit party was the most blatant
of it.)


#7 of 10 by dbratman on Mon Jun 23 16:45:50 2003:

Scott - Tolkien was happy enough to get the cash for selling the movie 
rights way back when.  He expected to hate the result (there are a lot 
of strong comments on the subject in his published letters), so while 
he might consider it a good side-effect that he's selling better, it 
wouldn't reconcile him to the hash that Jackson's films make of the 
book.


#8 of 10 by twenex on Sun Jun 29 15:43:39 2003:

Actually, The Elves were a more "Celtic"-inspired race - the language
Sindarin, which is the one which Aragorn and Arwen use together in the first
film, was meant to sound like Welsh and has several "Celtic" features such
as hte mutation of initial consonants in certain morphophonetic environments
(to put it in quasi-linguistic terminology). AFAIK, there are NO languages
in LOTR (or anywhere else such as The Silmarillion) baqsed on modern English,
Anglo-Saxon or any other Germanic language.

Having said all that, yes they should have used Welsh music, but Enya is known
to people who would steer well clear of Celtic music, just as the film is
known to people who would steer well clear of the book. I love the film; I
hope Tolkien would have too.

EOFYR


#9 of 10 by dbratman on Thu Jul 10 05:40:18 2003:

There most certainly are Anglo-Saxon and Germanic linguistic elements 
in LOTR.  The Rohirrim speak and give their names in the Mercian 
dialect of Anglo-Saxon - not a language based on it, but the actual 
language itself.  (Of course Tolkien feigns that this is a translation, 
but in fact it's what he actually wrote in.)  Various Frankish and 
Gothic names pop up here and there, especially in the appendices.

The problem with the Enya songs is hardly that she's Irish instead of 
Welsh (the other Elvish language is inspired by Finnish, so the Elves 
are hardly pure Welsh), it's that Enya's music isn't even actual Celtic 
music, but what Ken once memorably dubbed Celtic lounge music; and more 
importantly still to me, the songs in the movie aren't even good Enya.

Sorry, but a reading of Tolkien's letters, and the splenetic rages he 
got into about illustrations and other adaptations more harmless than 
this one, convinces me that he would have utterly despised these 
films.  Their superficial resemblance to the books is only skin-deep, 
and is a thin veneer over a thorough failure to understand what Tolkien 
is about.  (For a clue, read Tom Shippey's "The Road to Middle-earth.")


#10 of 10 by twenex on Wed Jul 23 02:35:31 2003:

Point taken


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