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Item 121: The Fall Music Video Item

Entered by mynxcat on Sat Sep 28 18:46:09 2002:

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44 responses total.
#1 of 44 by mynxcat on Sat Sep 28 18:48:26 2002:

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#2 of 44 by lelande on Sat Sep 28 20:37:59 2002:

i was flipping channels and i stopped at the sting "what do rock stars dream
about?" jaguar commercial. i enjoy that commercial because i enjoy hating it
fiercely, the same reason i watched Today's Special on nickelodeon when i was
a kid. but soon enough i realize that it's not a commercial at all, it's an
actual video. but it's still a commercial for a jaguar, cuz that's what he's
riding around in singing his crap wish-i-were peter gabriel/david byrne
i'm-a-dumb-old-former-no-wave-rock-star song, and they show the hood ornament
with cinematic vividness every so often.
is it a video? is it a commercial? is this a good ad campaign, squeezing a
commercial out of a video and vice versa? i wouldn't doubt that jaguar's
target audience is sting's target audience, given the economic class that
sting appeals to (as i'd wager) and the high cost of owning a new jaguar. i
love jaguar, but i don't like their new ad campaign ("london calling"
nostalgia, playing a clash song to hearken back to 60s mod london is a jarring
anachronism), and i hate sting.

#3 of 44 by mcnally on Sat Sep 28 21:01:39 2002:

  Oh, man, I *hate* those "London Calling" commercials.  The anachronism
  is merely annoying, but the idea of using a Clash song to sell Jags
  (of all things) is truly repulsive.

  Perhaps worse, though, it *really* makes you wonder if the ad makers ever
  even listened to any more of the song than just the title phrase in the
  chorus..  I mean it's a pretty apocalyptic song, not a happy little ditty
  about cruising around Jolly Olde England..  In this way the Jaguar ad
  is much like the insurance company (I think) that was using Iggy Pop's
  "Lust for Life" in a commercial a few years ago.  By mere coincidence,
  I'm sure, they left out the lines about "the liquor and drugs and the sex
  machine" as well as "torture films"..  I do wish they'd at least left in
  the bit about hypnotizing chickens.

#4 of 44 by mcnally on Sat Sep 28 21:07:06 2002:

  Taking a break from playing poker in a local card room last night,
  I saw a music video of some sort on the room's TV monitors.  There
  was no audio, so I couldn't hear the music, but the video involved
  a man in a dress walking around town collecting protection money
  from local shopkeepers and beating up a teenager and taking his
  beagle puppy.  If anyone can identify the performer, please do;
  the video was so awful and pretentious I'd like to ensure that I
  never buy their record even accidentally..

#5 of 44 by debayan1 on Sun Sep 29 07:44:49 2002:

Its difficult to enjoy both at a time---music (audio) and Video.No one can
enjoy both at a time.So I first hear the music and then turn off the audio
and see the Video.

#6 of 44 by mynxcat on Sun Sep 29 13:08:45 2002:

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#7 of 44 by gull on Sun Sep 29 19:51:09 2002:

Re #3: It's not that they don't listen, they just don't care.  Otherwise    
we wouldn't have seen Joan Baez being used to sell Mercedeses.  I
do sometimes find the choices inadvertantly amusing.  A recent Hyundai
ad used an instrumental that I immediately recognized as Jethro Tull's
"Thick as a Brick".

#8 of 44 by jazz on Mon Sep 30 13:58:41 2002:

        Metadiscussion, but I haven't seen any music videos in a while ... the
local Comcast affiliate doesn't incude MTV2 or above, except with their
digital cable service, and that's so poorly implemented that I cancelled the
service after three months of having to wait seconds in between channels while
channel-surfing.

        I'm told, though, that none of the MTV2 or MTV2 like channels plays
anything except for pop anymore.

#9 of 44 by mynxcat on Mon Sep 30 14:26:39 2002:

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#10 of 44 by jazz on Mon Sep 30 14:49:51 2002:

        Eek.  No.

#11 of 44 by mynxcat on Mon Sep 30 14:54:32 2002:

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#12 of 44 by jazz on Mon Sep 30 15:10:59 2002:

        Music ... video ... bars?

#13 of 44 by mynxcat on Mon Sep 30 15:55:28 2002:

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#14 of 44 by jazz on Mon Sep 30 16:03:05 2002:

        I know what you're talking about, but, yikes.  They also tend to have
lots of ferns.

#15 of 44 by scott on Mon Sep 30 16:33:40 2002:

I haven't seen a video in quite some time either.  

I've heard of "gay bars", but what is a "gey bar"?

#16 of 44 by jazz on Mon Sep 30 16:37:16 2002:

        I think she meant to say "fey bar", which is where the fianna sidhe
go to kick back a pint of meade and listen to Delerium.

#17 of 44 by mynxcat on Mon Sep 30 17:46:38 2002:

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#18 of 44 by drew on Mon Sep 30 18:49:23 2002:

It's vegetation, a sort of plant found in woods and meadows. Never heard of
'em in bars.

#19 of 44 by iggy on Mon Sep 30 19:57:02 2002:

they are very common houseplants.
some times (but not all ) they are associated with very fussy-type
personalities.

#20 of 44 by mynxcat on Mon Sep 30 20:02:57 2002:

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#21 of 44 by senna on Mon Sep 30 20:27:36 2002:

Seconds to switch channels?  That's dreadful.

#22 of 44 by cmcgee on Mon Sep 30 20:39:47 2002:

Heck, fern bars are a habitat with some mighty weird critters.

#23 of 44 by lelande on Mon Sep 30 21:17:23 2002:

music video bars? how thin does your tie have to be to gain entrance to such
a place?

#24 of 44 by mynxcat on Mon Sep 30 21:21:34 2002:

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#25 of 44 by lelande on Mon Sep 30 21:32:13 2002:

thinner than a communion wafer

#26 of 44 by mynxcat on Mon Sep 30 21:40:15 2002:

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#27 of 44 by other on Tue Oct 1 01:01:57 2002:

Thinner than the facade of intelligence on a Kansas school board member??

#28 of 44 by mynxcat on Tue Oct 1 01:04:59 2002:

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#29 of 44 by krj on Tue Oct 1 14:19:47 2002:

   ((( Agora 35 linked as Music 121 at mynxcat's request, though 
       perhaps a discussion of ferns would better go in the garden
       conference... )))

#30 of 44 by mynxcat on Tue Oct 1 14:35:23 2002:

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#31 of 44 by jazz on Tue Oct 1 15:39:09 2002:

        I'll second that.

        It's interesting the way that music videos have brought subculture
fashion into the mainstream - and when you've got a store in the mall that
sells subculture fasion clothing, it's become mainstream - but not the
attitudes or music of the subculture itself.

        The last time I was watching music videos, there was a girl there who
made some comment to a Bright Eyes video along the lines of "oh, yay, punk
rock" - I'm sure I shot her a dirty look over that - and then proceeded to
lay into the next video over the lead singer's pop-punk attire, which would've
been laid into at the club for not being really punk at all.

#32 of 44 by jaklumen on Wed Oct 2 06:31:02 2002:

resp:0  That is soo not true.  Go back to like music2 or 3, Sapna.  I 
put in at least two items on music vids.

resp:1  Do you mean Outta My Head?  I didn't see that video, but I saw 
the MTV Music awards presentation of it, so, yeah, same kind of dancers.

resp:30 Gothish?  Okay, but Pink strikes me as anything but goth, even 
there.  I kinda thought she was new wave meets hip-hop.. so how do you 
get Goth outta that?

resp:2 Speaking of commercials and 80's new wave, anyone remember an 
really old Caramello commercial?  You know, "Stttreettch it out, out.. 
Chocolate.. and Car-a-mel.."  I haven't seen these aforementioned TV 
ads, but that's the first one I saw that positively screamed "old 
school MTV" to me.

I *did* see Dirty Vegas's "Days Go By" reasonably recently.  
Interesting.  Very interesting to see "poppin'" and other breakdance 
moves come back.  The Mitsubichi Eclipse makes a cameo in the video; of 
course, the music was used for its own ad.  How much did the car 
company pay in that arrangement?

#33 of 44 by jazz on Wed Oct 2 13:42:26 2002:

         Re #32:  Watch the video.  What she's wearing isn't what I'd consider
"goth", but it fits the term in the popularly used sense.

#34 of 44 by mynxcat on Wed Oct 2 13:54:14 2002:

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#35 of 44 by lynne on Mon Oct 7 14:43:08 2002:

I'd go with Gothish for just like a pill.  (Interesting, because the music
is actually sort of light and peppy.)

#36 of 44 by jazz on Mon Oct 7 14:46:31 2002:

        Surprisingly, there's light and peppy goth music: 
http://www.algonet.se/~akeen/strawberry/

        I am in no way responsible for the 80s hair.

#37 of 44 by tpryan on Mon Oct 7 19:11:58 2002:

        Any relation to Cheerrie-Ose?

#38 of 44 by orinoco on Wed Oct 9 00:16:12 2002:

...and a lot of old goth stuff sounds pretty light and peppy nowadays. 
Siouxie and the Cure are both pretty sticky-sweet compared to most of the
recent goth stuff I've heard.  

(Why does it not surprise me that this alleged "light and peppy goth music"
is from Sweden?)

#39 of 44 by jaklumen on Wed Oct 9 04:53:39 2002:

resp:36  Poodle cuts should DIE, yes, but what's wrong with 80's hair?

to return the topic back to an earlier thread, what commercials can you 
think of that run like a commercial?

The Foo Fighters spoofed the original Mentos series of commercials in 
one of their videos-- backwards example, yes, but..

#40 of 44 by albaugh on Mon Nov 10 18:05:32 2003:

Can anyone explain this one to me?  :-)

http://www.ucomics.com/foxtrot/2003/11/08/

#41 of 44 by scott on Mon Nov 10 20:11:08 2003:

Slang joke, obviously.  :)

#42 of 44 by tod on Mon Nov 10 20:17:33 2003:

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#43 of 44 by mynxcat on Mon Nov 10 21:48:47 2003:

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#44 of 44 by tod on Mon Nov 10 23:40:02 2003:

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