Grex Music3 Conference

Item 25: KRJ's miscellaneous rambling

Entered by krj on Fri Aug 31 17:07:24 2001:

Another item in which I make notes to myself, or make random short 
comments which don't seem to merit their own item.  The previous incarnation
of my item was item:music2,200  (music2 conference, item 200)
 
This style of item was introduced to the conference by Mark Ziemba
and I'd like a few more of the regulars to try running such an item
themselves.
124 responses total.

#1 of 124 by krj on Fri Aug 31 17:12:07 2001:

On Wednesday we were in Hoboken, just across the river from the 
skyscrapers of Manhattan.  We were visiting Karen, a friend of Leslie's
from her summer singing program in the Czech Republic.  
 
As we walked across Washington Street, Karen pointed out Maxwell's, 
which she said was the famous rock club where lots of bands had gotten
started.  She said in a previous apartment, on the same block as Maxwell's,
she could hear the bass playing on some nights.
 
I must be getting old; I'd dimly heard of Maxwell's but the only Hoboken
band I can think of is Yo La Tengo.


#2 of 124 by dbratman on Sat Sep 1 00:09:14 2001:

I once lived in an apartment where I could hear the bass playing.  
After calling the cops every night at 1 AM for a few months, we moved.


#3 of 124 by mcnally on Sat Sep 1 07:20:22 2001:

  The Feelies were another Hoboken, NJ, band.  I know there are others that
  I could think of if I put my mind to it..


#4 of 124 by sspan on Sat Sep 15 02:28:12 2001:

Hoboken? um... wasn't that where Sinatra was from?


#5 of 124 by krj on Sat Sep 15 22:08:57 2001:

Yes; we walked through Frank Sinatra Park, in fact.  Though I understand
that he didn't come back to his old home town much.
 
Prairie Home Companion note: according to the webpage at 
http://www.prairiehome.org, the Sept. 22 and Sept. 29 broadcasts will
be "vintage" shows from 1985.  I haven't seen PHC dig so deeply into 
its archives for rebroadcasts in years.


#6 of 124 by bruin on Sun Sep 16 00:11:39 2001:

RE #5 Perhaps the two 1985 episodes of APHC were chosen because both 
shows featured appearances by the late Chet Atkins, and are being 
repeated in his memory.


#7 of 124 by krj on Sun Sep 16 00:14:03 2001:

Could be, but there are a *lot* of PHC shows with Chet Atkins, he usually 
appeared a couple of times a year.


#8 of 124 by krj on Tue Sep 18 20:57:05 2001:

The news will be mostly lost in the news coverage of the attacks, so 
I'll mention it here.  PJ Harvey took Britain's prestigious Mercury
prize for popular music for her album "Stories from the City, 
Stories from the Sea."   (Radiohead was the only other finalist
I'd ever heard of.)


#9 of 124 by krj on Tue Nov 6 21:56:21 2001:

Folksinger Janis Ian wrote a con report about her worldcon trip,
which was her first SF convention:
 
http://www.janisian.com/news-oct2001wc.html

(reposted from SF conference.)


#10 of 124 by dbratman on Wed Nov 7 00:49:13 2001:

Probably the most famous goshwow neo in fannish history.


#11 of 124 by krj on Wed Nov 14 23:30:10 2001:

So today, being nostalgic, I was playing Camper Van Beethoven's 
"Our Beloved Revolutionary Sweetheart" and the Oyster Band's "Holy Bandits."
Any more suggestions for rock bands with violins?


#12 of 124 by scott on Wed Nov 14 23:44:29 2001:

Not exactly a rock band with violins, but a hearty recommendation for Thomas
Dolby's "Astronauts and Heretics", which features some Cajun violin on a few
tunes.


#13 of 124 by mcnally on Thu Nov 15 01:15:58 2001:

  Yes, the fiddling on "Astronauts & Heretix" is nice.  I like Michael
  Doucet's (of Beausoleil) performance on "I Love You Goodbye"


#14 of 124 by ea on Thu Nov 15 01:21:03 2001:

I'm pretty sure that Kansas used violins on "Dust in the Wind"


#15 of 124 by happyboy on Thu Nov 15 14:47:25 2001:

*pukes*


#16 of 124 by orinoco on Thu Nov 15 20:40:55 2001:

Well, there's violins and then there's fiddles.  Which are we going for here?


#17 of 124 by krj on Wed Nov 28 18:55:20 2001:

Chicago Shopping II:  I put my overall impressions of the two big CD 
stores in the Loop in item:4.   
 
Tower had a lot of tempting things in the world music section, 
but I had to put back many of them, such as some solo CDs by former
Kornog guitarist Soig Siberil and flutist Jean-Michel Veillon.
(Actually the Veillon album with guitar accompaniment looked most
tempting, I might have to get that on some future trip if it's 
still there.)  Also passed up at Tower was an album by a Spanish
pop-flamenco group called Ea, "Aguita."  Mickey, you know anything 
about them? 
 
I settled for the most recent CD by Cape Breton Gaelic singer Mary 
Jane Lamond, who's a favorite of mine; this album has not been 
widely available in the States because Wicklow Records, the major-label
world music imprint, was shut down as part of the dismantling of 
BMG's classical music operation.  And, a cd by a young Breton band 
called Karma; the name sounds a little too new-agey, but the music 
was pretty good.  We played the disc in the car on the drive home
and now this morning I can't find it, argh.
 
At Crow's Nest I limited myself to "Wake of the Dead," the new 
Danny Carnahan project which I just learned about this past week.
Carnahan and other California Celtic players do Celtic-folk settings 
of classic Grateful Dead songs.  
 
Note to self: in the French bin at Crow's Nest was a possibly-interesting
looking band calle Tekameli with an album titled "Ida Y Vuelta."
Occitan, maybe?  Look at their website http://www.tekameli.com.
Curiously, the disc was released on Epic...   

Passed up at Crow's Nest: volumes 2 & 3 of Ashley Hutchings' series
of trunk recordings "The Guv'nor;" and the Ian Dury tribute album
with various artists recreating the "New Boots and Panties"  album.


#18 of 124 by krj on Wed Nov 28 20:31:01 2001:

(I visited the Tekameli web site and listened to some of the Real Audio
samples.  It's a gypsy pop band, if my fractured French is reading
the site correctly, and the sound samples didn't compel any further
interest.)


#19 of 124 by anderyn on Thu Nov 29 02:39:06 2001:

Danny Carnahan? Eeeek! New Danny Carnahan? Twila goes "oooooooh". Must
restrain self.... (Twila has just seen that Garnet Rogers has a new CD out,
Firefly, but has no other data on it.)


#20 of 124 by orinoco on Thu Nov 29 03:52:23 2001:

"Ida Y Vuelta" is honest-to-goodness Castillian Spanish.  (Of course, the same
words could crop up in Occitan or Catalan.)  It means "round trip," more or
less.


#21 of 124 by micklpkl on Thu Nov 29 16:23:40 2001:

Wow, Ken. Sounds like a fun shopping excursion. :) Some thoughts:

Dan's right about the translation of "ida y vuelta" of course. I read and
listened to some samples on their website --- I cheated and read the English
pages, though < http://www.tekameli.com/tekameli/principaluk.html > --- and
they do appear to be Gypsies, from Perpignan. This is the region in the South
of France, bordering Catalunya, where the Gypsy Kings are from, as well.
"Tekameli" means "I Love You" in the Calo, the language of the Gypsies. I
haven't heard anything more than the samples, but I liked what I heard. Of
course, I have to admit enjoying the Gypsy Kings, as well, and the music from
IDA Y VUELTA reminds me very much of that of their more well-known countrymen.
I also think the addition of a flamenco dancer  ---Sabrina Romero--- is a nice
twist.

Yes, I have heard some music from EA, but not the newest album. I have
ORIPANDO, their first release from 1998. They are flamenco-based, but also
fuse jazz and pop into their sound, with mixed results IMO. What makes the
music shine for me are the strong vocals from Pilar "La Monica." She is an
amazing vocalist. I appreciate the heads-up on this new CD, Ken. If you'd like
to hear some more samples, amazon.com has some. 


#22 of 124 by krj on Tue Dec 11 03:28:42 2001:

I need to pick Mike's brains here....  My sister is getting into reggae
but so far has only listened to Bob Marley stuff.  So, being in desperate
need of ideas for Christmas presents: what else should I look for?
(And what else is recorded in halfway decent sound quality?  My recollection
is that the Desmond Dekker recordings were pretty primitive.)
 
(Hmm, not reggae but perhaps I should get her that (English) Beat collection
I saw recently...)


#23 of 124 by mcnally on Tue Dec 11 15:01:36 2001:

  I'm not actually much of a reggae fan.  You'd think I would be because
  of my love for ska and appreciation of dub, but it wouldn't be a fair
  assumption -- my record collection is pretty weak in the reggae department..
  The thing is, too, that there's all kinds of reggae.  Just because she
  likes Bob Marley doesn't mean that she'll like modern dancehall or 
  ragamuffin or any of the other subgenres that have developed.

  My biased recommendation, if she likes Bob, would be to go backwards in
  time and not forwards.  Sound quality aside, it's hard to go wrong with
  Desmond Dekker.  Or you could try Toots and the Maytals' "Funky Kingston",
  it's hard to imagine someone not liking Toots.  For around the same
  period as peak Bob Marley, I like Peter Tosh, too.  Or how about Linton
  Kwesi Johnson?



#24 of 124 by scott on Tue Dec 11 16:40:20 2001:

Gregory Isaacs is pretty good, although I don't know anything about recent
stuff.


#25 of 124 by happyboy on Tue Dec 11 16:46:05 2001:

get her the import version of toots greatest hits.  lot's of really
good extra tracks.


#26 of 124 by krj on Tue Dec 11 22:48:19 2001:

Hmm, I went sniffing around the sample tracks on amazon.com, and maybe 
we will look for a good Toots & The Maytals collection, though I'm not
sure I have the time to find an import version.  Desmond Dekker, um, 
maybe, still not sure about those pesky sound quality issues.
 
Might also look for THE ROUGH GUIDE TO REGGAE.


#27 of 124 by krj on Wed Dec 12 00:31:20 2001:

Oh yeah, I also came across a Jimmy Cliff collection we might try.


#28 of 124 by katie on Thu Dec 13 03:30:02 2001:

i like Desmond Dekker a lot. Is he considered reggae?


#29 of 124 by mcnally on Thu Dec 13 04:18:42 2001:

  His earlier stuff is generally classified as ska but I'd say there's
  a fair amount of his work which really doesn't fit the classic ska
  beat structure.  My opinion is that his later recordings are more
  reggae.  Of course the same is true for Bob Marley -- "Simmer Down"
  and other early tracks are definitely ska, showing more of the classic
  ska rhythm than any Dekker tracks I can think of, but by the time
  Marley hit the peak of his career he was *defining* what reggae was..


#30 of 124 by krj on Sat Dec 15 18:12:47 2001:

Reviews I found on Allmusic and Amazon concur with happyboy's recommendation
of the import version of "The Very Best of Toots and the Maytals," on 
the Music Club label, as the best available anthology.  Unfortunately there
are no copies at Borders or Schoolkids-in-the-Basement, and no 
copies at US online retailers.  (In the old days Tower or the original
Schoolkids probably would have carried it, both stores carried lots of 
the Music Club label releases.)  It's plentiful and dirt cheap at
amazon.co.uk, but it's too late to get a copy delivered from the 
UK for a Christmas present.  Ah well, maybe I'll get one for myself 
sometime.  I settled for the US version of the same title ("Very Best Of...")
and Jimmy Cliff/"Ultimate Collection."  If she likes those we'll pass
along some of the other suggestions.


#31 of 124 by happyboy on Sat Dec 15 22:47:45 2001:

i've seen the toot's disc at border's.


#32 of 124 by krj on Sat Dec 15 23:08:20 2001:

OK, I'll watch for it.  Argh.  I'm only running a week behind schedule on
this Christmas shopping stuff.  I hope the Bo Grumpus ragtime CD I ordered
for my dad gets here on schedule.


#33 of 124 by mcnally on Mon Dec 17 02:26:54 2001:

  I haven't heard their Maytals collection but the "Music Club" collections
  I've wound up with are quite well put together -- reasonably priced with
  good track selection..

  I highly recommend their "Dub Chill Out" collection to anyone looking for
  an inexpensive introduction to classic Jamaican dub.


#34 of 124 by krj on Mon Dec 17 03:06:07 2001:

A stop at the Arborland Borders clarified a few things for me: clearly I 
should have checked with them earlier instead of the downtown store.
 
I'm guessing Barry was recommending a collection called "Pressure Drop:
The Best Of..." which is Trojan CDTRL 171.  That's the one which was 
advertising ten extra tracks.  I just don't feel this looks like a good
introductory compilation for my sister.
 
Borders had both the Island (2000) and Music Club versions of 
"The Very Best of Toots and the Maytals."  The two discs have about 
nine tracks in common, which are the ones I've heard of, like "Funky
Kingston."
 
The tracks which are only on the Music Club selection are:
  Take Me Home, Country Roads
  Got To Be There
  Louie, Louie
  Redemption Song
  Revolution
  Sit Right Down
  Having A Party
 
The tracks which are only on the Island (2000) compilation are:
  Broadway Jungle
  Bam Bam
  54-46 That's My Number
      (54-46 Was My Number appears on both discs)
  In The Park
  Reggae Got Soul
  Never You Change
  Living In The Ghetto
  Never Get Weary
  Dream to Remember
  Spiritual Healing
  Peace, Perfect Peace

I dunno, from here it seems like the only advantage of the Music Club 
compilation is that it has three well-known standards (the first three tracks
I listed) done reggae style, and it seems like losing "Broadway Jungle"
and "Reggae Got Soul" are liabilities.  My inclination is just to leave 
things as they are, with a copy of the Island (2000) on its way from 
amazon.com.  Thanks for putting up with all this....



#35 of 124 by krj on Mon Dec 17 06:23:22 2001:

Note to self: David Wisdom (CBC) played a track "What The New World 
Teaches The Old" by a Vancouver rock musician called Phil Smith
which, I dunno, maybe reminded me a little bit of Yo La Tengo, but 
mcnally shouldn't run out and buy it just because I said that.
Some nice electric guitar stuff, tasty and melodic rather than 
pyrotechnical.
 
That's the title track from his new album, says David Wisdom, and I 
found a reference to a band the guy was in called Corsage, but 
so far google-searching has mostly revealed that there are an awful 
log of Phil Smith's in the world.

Mike, you know anything about this guy?  I would guess that Vancouver 
rock musicians spill down into Seattle.


#36 of 124 by mcnally on Mon Dec 17 14:26:43 2001:

  Haven't heard of him.  I'll keep an eye out for a Seattle appearance
  but for some reason I find it much harder to keep track of who's playing
  in the Seattle area than I did in the Ann Arbor/Detroit area..  By and
  large I don't seem to hear about most of the shows I'd be interested in
  until after they've already happened..


#37 of 124 by happyboy on Tue Dec 18 01:25:14 2001:

ken, correct about the toots comp.  it's on trojan.


#38 of 124 by jaklumen on Thu Dec 20 11:05:19 2001:

I have always thought about doing a studio quality recording just for 
fun, but I don't think I'd ever have the $$$.

Can't think of what I'd put on it, either.  I've always wanted to do 
remakes of 10cc's "I'm Not In Love" and Mason William's "Classical 
Gas" (classical guitar arrangement, probably solo, no accompaniment) 
but lack of resources has always been a problem.

just a little pipe dream, I suppose..


#39 of 124 by happyboy on Thu Dec 20 14:49:03 2001:

crack pipe dream!


#40 of 124 by tpryan on Thu Dec 20 19:14:04 2001:

re 38:          Have you ever thought of doing a 'living room quality'
recording, just for fun?  With a couple mics and direct into PC
you can at least come up with a demo type thing.
        My trip to The Guitar Center shown me there is a whole new
arena of computer geekdoom in their.  Toys!  Toys!  Toys!


#41 of 124 by scott on Thu Dec 20 21:42:19 2001:

Ditto on the direct-to-PC recording.  With a couple of decent mics and a
little mixer you can do a very nice recording on your own computer, and then
burn to CD.


#42 of 124 by jaklumen on Fri Dec 21 06:23:52 2001:

true, that.. I do have MIDI software to boot


#43 of 124 by tpryan on Fri Dec 21 18:03:23 2001:

        Any high praise for Audiowerks sound cards?


#44 of 124 by krj on Tue Jan 15 19:54:50 2002:

I was a Jethro Tull fan when I was a wee sprout, so I'll pass this along.
Whoever owns the Chrysalis label now (EMI?) has started a new reissue
campaign for the Jethro Tull catalog.  The good news is that 
the albums THIS WAS, STAND UP and BENEFIT have been (allegedly) cleaned
up and (definitely) reissued.  I haven't heard the new ones yet, but
my old CD of BENEFIT was on the hissy side.  (My LP -- well er um, 
it seemed to have one channel completely worn away by overuse last 
time I played it....)
 
The bad news is that the album LIVING IN THE PAST has been withdrawn;
some of its contents are being dispersed as bonus tracks on those
reissue CDs.


#45 of 124 by bruin on Wed Jan 16 02:21:44 2002:

Is "Aqualung" currently available on CD reissues.


#46 of 124 by krj on Wed Jan 16 05:25:56 2002:

Don't know.  Presumably a remastered AQUALUNG, Tull's 4th album, 
would be the next reissue to come out; the CDs I described in 
resp:44 were Tull's first three albums.
 
In the past, the story has always been that a good-sounding AQUALUNG
has been impossible to deliver because the master tapes, which were 
kept in Ian Anderson's personal custody, had deteriorated badly.
Guess we'll see what comes next...


#47 of 124 by krj on Wed Feb 6 05:34:02 2002:

The new US quarter coin is....   a music quarter!!


#48 of 124 by mcnally on Wed Feb 6 06:19:58 2002:

  Oh?


#49 of 124 by jaklumen on Wed Feb 6 07:43:27 2002:

I haven't kept up with the quarter collection.. for which state is 
this, and what is the image?


#50 of 124 by krj on Tue Feb 12 21:05:04 2002:

Nobody else has gotten one of the new music quarters yet?


#51 of 124 by jaklumen on Tue Feb 12 21:46:36 2002:

No.


#52 of 124 by micklpkl on Tue Feb 12 21:48:50 2002:

Haven't seen one, but the US Mint had some groovy pictures. This is the
Tennessee state quarter, correct? Louisiana will also have a minor musical
theme.


#53 of 124 by scott on Tue Feb 12 22:32:14 2002:

I haven't gotten a new state quarter in about 4 months.  :(


#54 of 124 by krj on Wed Feb 13 00:00:53 2002:

Yes, the Tennessee quarter is honoring country music, with a guitar and 
a fiddle.   I've only seen that first one myself.


#55 of 124 by eeyore on Wed Feb 13 05:01:31 2002:

I had one of them a couple of weeks ago, butdidn't hold on to it.


#56 of 124 by flem on Wed Feb 13 17:07:52 2002:

I saw one of the Tennessee quarters a week or two ago.  I was with some people
who actually cared, so we spent a few minutes with a magnifying glass trying
to figure out if the piece of sheet music on it was actual music, or just
looked like it from a distance.  We concluded that it wasn't, since the staves
only had four lines that we could find.  


#57 of 124 by tpryan on Fri Feb 15 23:59:18 2002:

        So the fence on the Kentucky quarter is not really a stave (staff)
with the tune "My Old Kentucky Home"??


#58 of 124 by scott on Sat Feb 16 04:15:02 2002:

Maybe the missing 5th line is the result of inbreeding?   ;)


#59 of 124 by dbratman on Mon Mar 11 22:40:59 2002:

Most artistic evocations of printed music are unplayable.  I've seen 
four-line staves, six-line staves, imaginary or nonexistent clefs, 
double-staves in which neither the number of beats in the bar nor even 
the bar-lines matched up, impossible key signatures, the lot.


#60 of 124 by krj on Thu Mar 21 05:28:09 2002:

Well poot.  I had thought the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame show was going
to be broadcast on VH1 on Thursday night.  But it was Wednesday, and 
I missed it.  I was really looking forward to the Talking Heads set, 
too.  Did anyone see this?


#61 of 124 by krj on Fri Apr 26 18:27:38 2002:

Mickey's been enthusiastic about Patty Griffin; her new album 
"1000 Kisses" has been the subject of a couple of over-the-top raves
by Dave Marsh.  Thoughts?   


#62 of 124 by krj on Mon Apr 29 18:22:42 2002:

Note for Twila: there is a new Baba Yaga CD!  I'd been trying 
to figure out how I was going to get a copy of this, and today I 
learned that Cliff has it at cdroots.com.  There is a bio of the 
band at http://www.cdroots.com/fono-baba.html which tells more than 
we ever knew about them before; it's been over a decade, I think, 
since their previous album.   Irish and Hungarian rock instrumentalists
and a small choir of Russian folk singers.


#63 of 124 by anderyn on Tue Apr 30 13:40:51 2002:

Can you get two?! I want one.


#64 of 124 by micklpkl on Mon May 20 21:26:44 2002:

Ken, in re: resp:61 and Patty Griffin ...

You might enjoy reading the (over-the-top?) article in this week's 
Austin Chronicle. Patty is the cover girl for this issue.

http://www.auschron.com/issues/dispatch/2002-05-17/music_feature.html



#65 of 124 by krj on Fri Jun 28 02:20:29 2002:

Random greed whine/not to self:  While shopping for Dad's birthday
present at Barnes & Noble, I found the new album from Cape Breton
fiddler Natalie MacMaster.  It's a 2-CD live set and from the snippets
one can hear on the "RedDotNet" preview system, it sounds VERY good.


#66 of 124 by krj on Mon Sep 2 00:11:45 2002:

Apparently Peter Gabriel has completed the album UP, just ten years
after his last studio album.  (Where I come from, we call that 
"retirement."  :)  )  rollingstone.com has a review of it
(they didn't like it much) and amazon.com is taking orders for 
late September shipment.


#67 of 124 by orinoco on Mon Sep 2 02:21:42 2002:

I seem to have a particular knack for discovering musicians just as they pass
their prime.  Still, Peter Gabriel's been in pretty heavy rotation lately,
and I may have to buy this one.  


#68 of 124 by krj on Mon Dec 9 03:43:53 2002:

Sorry I haven't been holding up my end of the conference lately.
I haven't been in much of a mood to write, except for Grex's party
chat.
 
I had an old-fashioned CD pigout at the used CD shop Encore today. 
I went to get a few inexpensive opera discs for a friend's child 
who is expressing interest, and I found a big pile of stuff 
which I might end up keeping instead of giving away.  

The chosen opera was AIDA sung by Tebaldi and Bergonzi
with vonKarajan conducting, and we might end up keeping that; also 
there was an anthology from a BBC show called "Listen to the Band"
which is all brass music, which Leslie thinks looks interesting.
There's been a series of anthologies from this show, according to 
amazon.co.uk, and much of them are out of print.  :/

Well, I still have some cheapie opera anthologies I can send along 
for the youngster.
 
Background shopping music was first, an instrumental Sandy Nelson LP.
Kind of kitschy fun; Allmusic.com cites Nelson's drumming 
as a significant influence on surf music and Keith Moon.  
I don't remember the title, it probably doesn't matter, though
there were some nice 60s covers on that specific album -- 
"Time Won't Let Me" (originally by The Outsiders) was the one I remember.

Second background album was a Stiff Little Fingers
anthology.  I have only the faintest recollection that such a band
ever existed, but sadly I have reached the point where I'm now 
nostalgic for the 1980 punk sound.  S.L.F. sounds a lot like 
second-rate Clash, so I bought the anthology out of the store's player.


#69 of 124 by dbratman on Mon Dec 9 22:26:53 2002:

Nostalgic for the 1980 punk sound?  Yikes.

I remember circa 1989 conversing with Brad Westervelt about the 
advancing crest of nostalgia, and predicting "In the Nineties, there 
will be disco nostalgia."  Seemed hard to believe at the time, but lo, 
so it came to pass.

So I shouldn't be surprised at punk nostalgia either, but ... punk 
seems to be the opposite of what one can be nostalgic for.


#70 of 124 by cyklone on Tue Dec 10 00:28:11 2002:

You'd be surprised. At my band's gigs people go nuts for the Dead Kennedys
and Ramones tunes. 



#71 of 124 by other on Tue Dec 10 03:10:29 2002:

What do you call the band?


#72 of 124 by cyklone on Tue Dec 10 03:24:21 2002:

BLAMMO


#73 of 124 by jaklumen on Thu Dec 12 05:32:39 2002:

resp:69  I'm still waiting for 80's nostalgia to catch on.

True, disco nostalgia came along-- and it's bled over into the 00's.  I 
think, really, that boy and girl band excess is part of that 70's 
nostalgia, although it has been an oft-repeated formula since the 50's.

Hmmm.. punk nostalgia.  Yes, that seems to be a contradiction in terms.
Perhaps it might be useful to ask what punk is all about.  As far as 
the Sex Pistols contribution, I remember Johnny Rotten being quoted as 
saying "America won't get what it's about," or something to that 
effect.  And I think that was pretty accurate; if I understand it 
right, the rage was over the crushing poverty in northern England 
(Manchester, for example) as the industrialist economic structure 
basically collapsed, and Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher was basically 
indifferent.


#74 of 124 by cyklone on Thu Dec 12 13:46:00 2002:

I think you read Rotten too broadly. The Sex Pistols themselves, as well
as the Clash, admit to being influenced heavily by the Ramones, who toured
England early. The Sex Pistols were also influenced by the Stooges.
Neither the Ramones or Stooges were very political, yet they form the
basis for a large part of the punk sound. I believe Rotten was refering to
America understanding what the *Sex Pistols* were all about, not punk in
general. In any case, The Dead Kennedys were extrememly political,
reacting to Thatcher's US alter-ego, Reagan. 

"Punk nostalgia" has more than one facet. Based on my experience playing
the songs live, people respond to "Too Drunk to Fuck" and "Sheena is a
Punk Rocker" primarily for nostalgic reasons. We also get a great response
to songs like "Holiday Inn Cambodia" and Fear's "Let's Have a War" and I
think at least one of the reasons is because those songs still have
resonance in our current political climate. 



#75 of 124 by mcnally on Thu Dec 12 15:49:58 2002:

  Heh..  "Holiday Inn Cambodia" is one of the more suggestive typos I've
  seen lately.  Conjures up a vivid image, anyway..

  I can certainly understand punk nostalgia.  I didn't become familiar
  with the music of the Clash, the Buzzcocks, the DKs, and other prominent
  bands of that era until years after their heyday but hearing the music
  of most of those acts brings back memories of my early college years and
  time spent in the company of friends who also enjoyed that music.
  For whatever reason, though, the nostalgia effect is greatly lessened
  in the case of the Clash.  Perhaps it's just that I've listened to their
  stuff continuously enough (especially "London Calling") over the years
  to not identify it with a particular time period or perhaps it's due
  to some virtue of the music, but it doesn't induce specific time-and-place
  flashbacks the way the music of Black Flag or Fear does.



#76 of 124 by happyboy on Thu Jan 2 08:32:57 2003:

punk nostalgia is a contradiction in terms.

i'm not nostaligic for punk because i don't feel that
i ever STOPPED having the attitude.  but then unplugging
and playing banjo instead was even more punk than
wearing my mohawk

nobody i can think of is more punk than dock boggs.

well...except maybe cyklone or something.


#77 of 124 by cyklone on Thu Jan 2 13:13:18 2003:

Hahaha!


#78 of 124 by happyboy on Thu Jan 2 18:42:08 2003:

/spills beer on your green chucks and sez a prayer for joe strummer


#79 of 124 by cyklone on Thu Jan 2 21:33:13 2003:

RIP


#80 of 124 by happyboy on Fri Jan 3 08:48:29 2003:

*berps*


#81 of 124 by krj on Sat Feb 8 21:30:25 2003:

I've more or less stopped buying CDs.  This feels odd.
 
So far this year I've just bought one used CD and one cutout CD,
neither of which I've bothered to listen to.     Usually in January
I have a giant pigout catching up on all the stuff I deferred in 
November and December while I was allocating money for Christmas 
presents.
 
More CD retail bankruptcies expected as a result.  :/


#82 of 124 by mcnally on Sat Feb 8 21:46:49 2003:

  Dang..  That really *is* dire news for the music industry.


#83 of 124 by tpryan on Sun Feb 9 18:20:42 2003:

        After 16 months of being around the house a lot, I have 
listened to some CDs several times, but still have a lot that
have only been heard once, some that I realized I have yet to 
get to.


#84 of 124 by otaking on Mon Feb 10 23:11:38 2003:

I have CDs that I've owned for almost a year that I haven't heard even once.
I've been trying to fix that lately.


#85 of 124 by dbratman on Wed Feb 12 12:17:29 2003:

Are you guys pseudonyms for Ken Josenhans, or is this just epidemic? <g>


#86 of 124 by mcnally on Wed Feb 12 13:41:04 2003:

  It's not that we're pseudonyms of Ken.  It's more that we're all 
  different manifestations of the same ur-Music-Fan.


#87 of 124 by otaking on Sun Feb 16 17:16:25 2003:

In my case, I just took advantage of the Harmony House sale and bought way
too much for awhile. Now that I have a job where I can listen to Cds for
hours, I try to catch up to all the old ones I've accumulated.

Like Ken, I've barely bought any CDs so far this year. I think I picked up
2 soundtracks last month.


#88 of 124 by dbratman on Mon Feb 17 07:06:01 2003:

I never encountered the variety of ur-music fan who accumulates records 
but doesn't listen to them until I met Ken.  This was his distinctive 
trait in ALPS, the music apa to which we belonged.


#89 of 124 by otaking on Sat Mar 1 21:02:04 2003:

Re: myself in #87: Since that last posting, I bought 10 more CDs, thanks to
the $1 sale at Borders.


#90 of 124 by mcnally on Sat Mar 1 23:16:21 2003:

  $1 sale?


#91 of 124 by krj on Wed Mar 5 04:07:57 2003:

I fondled a few CDs at Borders tonight, though I put them all back;
I still have yet to buy a new CD this year. 
 
One disk in a playstation probably would have grabbed my wallet, if
it hadn't been out of stock.   I really liked the guitar sound on the 
new James McMurtry album "Saint Mary of the Woods."

I've gone hot and cold with McMurtry in the past.  I absolutely loved
"Where'd You Hide The Body," which I think was his third album.
But the followup "Too Long In The Wasteland" left me cold, and so
did one of his earlier albums, so I haven't thought about him much
recently.


#92 of 124 by tpryan on Fri Mar 7 22:36:02 2003:

        Thanks for putting them back.


#93 of 124 by otaking on Sat Mar 8 17:57:35 2003:

Re #90: Unfortunately, I caught the sale at the very end.


#94 of 124 by krj on Sun Mar 9 07:23:32 2003:

OK, I finally broke down and bought some new CDs:
    Joe Strummer and the Mescaleros, GLOBAL A GO-GO  (inspired by the 
           March "FRoots Radio" show, which I have been playing 
           obsessively)
    Neko Case, BLACKLISTED    (in-store play at Encore)

I have one mail order on the way for Terry Woods' new album (for 
St. Patrick's Day) and Croft No. 5 (another of the Scottish folk-techno
pack), and one mail order pending for Luigi Cinque and the Tarantula
Hypertext Orchestra, and the Progmatics.

Sigh.


#95 of 124 by krj on Thu Mar 13 05:44:31 2003:

Ooops, I forgot to give a heads-up to warn anyone who might care that
Elvis Costello was the guest host on Letterman's show on Wednesday
night.  (Letterman is out with an attack of shingles.)  Costello
did a great job, probably the best of the guest hosts I've seen
in the last half-dozen shows.
 
I haven't listened to Costello much for 20 years -- I adored his first
three albums but was disillusioned by his subsequent incarnations as a 
country singer and a sensitive crooner.  But Schoolkids was playing 
some relatively recent Costello item in the store last weekend and 
I sort of liked it -- but now I don't remember what it was.
(Looking at allmusic.com: maybe it was "King of America"?)


#96 of 124 by dbratman on Fri Mar 14 07:22:34 2003:

Speaking of singers' reincarnations, here's an interview with Claudia 
Schmidt in which she expresses her dismay at venues who say "Hey, oh, I 
don't know, we hear you're a jazz singer now."  As a dyed folkie who at 
most only tolerated her occasional jazz bent, I'm of the opinion that 
she has no-one to blame but herself for this impression, but so it goes.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?
file=/gate/archive/2003/03/13/derk.DTL&type=printable

Also available, at least at the moment, at the simpler address:
http://www.sfgate.com/columnists/derk/


#97 of 124 by mcnally on Fri Mar 14 20:17:47 2003:

  Both of Costello's 1986 releases, "King of America" and "Blood and
  Chocolate" are excellent albums..


#98 of 124 by jaklumen on Sat Mar 15 05:24:53 2003:

folkies who can't stand jazz?  hmm, the nerve.. =P


#99 of 124 by dbratman on Sat Mar 15 07:25:42 2003:

It would be inaccurate to say I can't stand jazz.  I merely dislike 
it.  However, I am a folkie who absolutely detests country.  I realize 
they're adjoining territories of music.  But for me there's a clear 
line between them, and I rebel as soon as it's crossed.


#100 of 124 by anderyn on Sat Mar 15 22:24:42 2003:

How do you feel about the alt.country thing? (Buddy and Julie Miller, um, Dave
Carter and Tracy Grammer_)? I really find that I like that part of country
music, and I *hate* country music, grew up having to listen to it.


#101 of 124 by jaklumen on Sun Mar 16 10:45:24 2003:

I'm puzzled that western has now been shuffled back into folk.  My 
understanding was that country, originally, was an old division of 
folk-- the Appalachian tradition, right?  Western was the trail songs 
of the cattlemen, to my understanding.  What is now called "country" 
was a merging of the old country genre with western-- I don't think it 
was that long ago that some were still calling it country & western.  
But I guess it's just as well that moniker was dropped, as it has 
traded a lot of licks with rock n roll, the genre spawned from rhythm 
and blues and race music.


#102 of 124 by tpryan on Sun Mar 16 15:05:15 2003:

        Part of what seems to separate C&W from folk is the 
'glam' Country artists.  The Rhinestones, frilled shirts, 
beads, instruments with intricate inlays, fake hair, high
hair, highly decorated cowboy hats, etc.


#103 of 124 by happyboy on Sun Mar 16 19:02:06 2003:

alt.country is a bullshit label.


#104 of 124 by jaklumen on Mon Mar 17 01:40:19 2003:

hmm, that 'glam' image seems to have changed, then, because it's 
supposedly hip and bubblegummy now.  The guys still honky-tonk, I 
think, but the women seem to work very hard to look very fashionable 
and romantic.


#105 of 124 by dbratman on Mon Mar 17 07:42:00 2003:

Twila, I've never heard of these "alt.country" folk you mention.  But 
my reaction is simple: if it twangs, I hate it.


#106 of 124 by anderyn on Mon Mar 17 12:54:07 2003:

This isn't exactly twang-y. What it is takes some of the folk roots of country
and builds upon them, but in a way that doesn't hit my *aiee, it's country!*
button. Interestingly enough, both Carter&Grammer and the Millers are very
religious in imagery, which I like a lot (the Millers, at least Julie, are
Christian, and Dave Carter was very interested in Buddhism, although his Texan
fundamentalist roots show in some of the lyrics), and they're unabashed in
sharing that.


#107 of 124 by krj on Mon Jul 7 06:12:13 2003:

Lesson for next year's Top of the Park:  Google-search every band that you 
have not heard of after the schedule appears...
 
For Wednesday's show, I made a point to catch Muruga's Global Village 
Ceremonial Band, but I blew off the opening band, Fubar.  I arrived in 
time to catch the last two songs by Fubar and I was really impressed
by what a good rock band they were.
 
Tonight I went googling for references to them.  Fubar's leader is 
George Bedard's bass player, and the woman vocalist is Sophia Hanifi, 
who I thought was so wonderful in the short-lived band Map of the World
all those years ago.  (I saw Map of the World open for 10,000 Maniacs
at Rick's in East Lansing maybe 1985?  Sophia and Khalid Hanafi's band
did a much better show.)  Yargh.  Had I but known....
 
Sophia did tell me the band plays occasionally at the Del Rio.


#108 of 124 by other on Mon Jul 7 11:26:46 2003:

George Bedard's bass player: Randy Tessier


#109 of 124 by krj on Sat Dec 6 06:27:51 2003:

If I hear any more wonderful music right now I shall quite certainly
explode.


#110 of 124 by gelinas on Sat Dec 6 18:39:00 2003:

 :)


#111 of 124 by krj on Mon Jan 12 18:54:20 2004:

resp:81 :: I'm back into what now looks like an annual winter 
music crash.  (Thanks to Gelinas for reminding me that I'd done 
this in early 2003.)  I picked up about a dozen CDs in December, 
including Christmas presents and a bit of a pigout at a closing
used CD shop near Philadelphia, but all of it remains unplayed.
I've also hardly listened to the BBC since the holidays.  
CDs aren't getting played at home or at work at all, though I 
do drag through a couple on the long commute to work.
 
I just need a vacation, I guess.  


#112 of 124 by dbratman on Sun Mar 28 16:47:35 2004:

Hey, Ken, I sent you an e-mail a while ago telling you about Mythcon in 
Ann Arbor this year.  But as I didn't get a response I may have used 
the wrong address.  I'd like to know: are you and Leslie planning on 
going?  Because then Berni and I can see you there.  Info is at 
www.mythsoc.org/mythcon35.html

If you don't wish to reply here, I can be reached by email at 
dbratman@earthlink.net.

Hey, and anybody else reading this who's interested in intelligent 
discussion of good fantasy, you're welcome too.  Mythcon is a principal 
place for the intelligent appreciative (as opposed to the mindlessly 
gushing or the bashing) discussion of Tolkien.  (Our reactions to the 
Jackson films vary from "They're great, but they sure aren't the books" 
to "Get those horrible things out of my sight.")  As for more recent 
authors, our Guest of Honor this year is Neil Gaiman, so that should 
give you an idea what we like.


#113 of 124 by anderyn on Sun Mar 28 22:21:14 2004:

Eeep! A con in Ann Arbor? Cool!


#114 of 124 by happyboy on Mon Mar 29 17:53:05 2004:

lol


#115 of 124 by dbratman on Tue Mar 30 01:09:44 2004:

I'd enjoy meeting you too, Twila.


#116 of 124 by krj on Tue Mar 30 04:47:39 2004:

Mythcon is in late July, right?  Our crystal ball doesn't see that
far.  I tend to doubt we'd actually get convention memberships but I 
hope we can manage to see David and Berni for dinner or something,
assuming we're in town.  (Leslie's been away the last five summers.)
 
We're *really* out of SF fandom lately.  


#117 of 124 by dbratman on Sat Apr 10 20:10:57 2004:

When your crystal ball clears, Ken, inform it that Berni and I will 
probably be arriving Wednesday July 28th, and staying at the North 
Campus Holiday Inn.  Thursday or the following Monday would be the best 
time to meet.


#118 of 124 by krj on Sun Apr 11 06:44:15 2004:

OK!  Will probably chat a bit more about this in mail especially 
as summer approaches.


#119 of 124 by tpryan on Sat Apr 24 18:33:43 2004:

        IHB I'm earning enough money to treat myself to 
a Harry Chapin live DVD, it is not the same concert as was put on 
video tape back in the 80's.  Also "Have you heard Jim Croce Live"
DVD, from a bunch of shows.  I should be watching them very soon.
I got them thru amazon, but forget to go thru a charity link to
amazon.


#120 of 124 by mcnally on Thu Dec 23 08:27:39 2004:

Not finding a better place to put it, I thought I might as well use
the "random meanderings" item to ask a question.

Has anyone heard Sufjan Stevens' album "Greetings from Michigan, 
the Great Lakes State?"  I came across mention of it on several
best-of-2003 music lists that I was browsing after reading some
best-of-2004 articles.  It's the work of a musician from Holland, MI,
who's now living and playing in NYC if I understand the situation
correctly.  I'm intrigued enough by what I've read and by the 
intriguing song titles to think about giving it a try but I wouldn't
mind some first-hand opinions on it if anyone here has one to offer.

Song titles, for the curious:

1.  Flint (For the Unemployed and Underpaid)    
2.  All Good Naysayers, Speak Up! Or Forever Hold Your Peace!   
3.  For the Widows in Paradise, For the Fatherless in Ypsilanti         
4.  Say Yes! To Michigan!       
5.  The Upper Peninsula         
6.  Tahquamenon Falls   
7.  Holland     
8.  Detroit, Lift Up Your Weary Head! (Rebuild! Restore! Reconsider!)   
9.  Romulus     
10. Alanson, Crooked River      
11. Sleeping Bear, Sault Saint Marie    
12. They Also Mourn Who Do Not Wear Black (For the Homeless in Muskegon)
         13. Oh God, Where Are You Now? (In Pickeral Lake? Pigeon? Marquette?
Mackin 14. Redford (For Yia-Yia & Pappou)       15. Vito's Ordination Song
        


#121 of 124 by micklpkl on Thu Dec 23 19:08:52 2004:

Although I haven't heard the entire album/CD, I have heard a couple of
tracks played on the BBC Radio Wales programme, "Celtic Heartbeat". I
recorded "Sleeping Bear, Sault Saint Marie" off of that show, and I
catch myself wanting to hear it quite a bit. The music is minimalistic,
at least on this track, and the vocals are a bit quiet and airy in
spots. Frank Hennessy, the host of the Radio Wales show, has mentioned
that he doesn't know what to make of Sufjan Stevens --- at times, he
said, it feels like Stevens is just noodling around (paraphrase, mine).
Hennessy has also said that Stevens' "Greetings from Michigan..." is the
first of 50 albums planned, one for each of the states in the USA.

One of Sufjan Stevens' other songs, called "In the Devil's Territory"
was played on the Celtic Heartbeat currently in the BBC replay system. 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radiowales_aod.shtml?celticheartbeat for
the curious (and Realplayer-enabled).

I would probably buy this disc based on what I've heard, if it were in
my budget.


#122 of 124 by krj on Mon Jan 31 03:58:34 2005:

Vague notes from this afternoon's ramble through the wreckage of 
CD retail in downtown Ann Arbor:
 
I found the used copy of Lhasa's new album THE LIVING ROAD.  
I'd seen this in the intake pile at Encore three or so weeks ago,
but today it took a bit of time to figure out where they would have
filed it, as Lhasa is Mexican-Canadian and sort of folky.  
I finally found the disc in the Rock section, where no one but a 
FRoots magazine reader would ever have had the persistence to 
look for it.  Lhasa's album was one of the four finalists in 
FRoots/BBC Radio3 Critic's Poll for Album of the Year.
 
At Schoolkids-in-the-Basement, there was a new Matt Watroba CD,
with one of their handwritten notes reporting that Katie Geddes was
the perfect singing partner for Watroba.  The title is JUKEBOX FOLK.
Katie, if you read this: how many tracks do you sing on?

Martha Wainwright, brother of Rufus, has a 5-song EP out, but 
the store had sold out of it.  There is a new French-language 
release from Kate & Anna McGarrigle; a bit pricey at $21 but on the
other hand the Canadian dollar has rallied quite a bit so it might
not be *that* overpriced.

I did pick up the new DVD "Richard Thompson Band Live in Providence"
for $13  ($6 less than the new UK issues of the classic 1970s Thompson
albums, which have some bonus tracks I'm whining over) and The Ditty Bops.  

The new Current magazine is out, the local entertainment tabloid with a 
folk music column from Twila/anderyn.   There's a gig listing for the 
Joe Summers Gypsy Jazz Trio: Crazy Wisdom, Saturday Feb. 12.  
This looks like a reconfiguration of Summers Delaney and Sharp, the local
trio which played Django Reinhardt-style jazz a few years back.  I saw them
around three times at Borders and Crazy Wisdom, and they were always 
a delight.   Dave Sharp also has his own Quartet with a gig at Goodnight
Gracie.   

I have no idea what became of Delaney.  The old Summers Delaney Sharp 
website is gone.


#123 of 124 by bmoran on Tue Feb 22 21:54:42 2005:

Brian Delaney's band is the Royal Garden Trio; gypsy style music with Brian on
guitar, Mike  (sombody or other) playing the fiddle parts on cello, and I
forget his name on clarinet and  tenor guitar. The first disk came out a few
years ago, and has gotten a bit of air on WDET.  Last I heard, the newest was
due out very soon, or is out now!


#124 of 124 by krj on Thu Jun 2 16:44:16 2005:

We were mentioning the Joe Summers Gypsy Jazz Trio above; they have 
a Top of the Park free show near the end of June.
 
As Michelle Shocked has an Ark show coming up on July 1, I took a 
peek at her website.  She's been busy with her own record company,
Mighty Sound.
 
She's completed the project of reissuing all her Mercury-label 
albums with bonus tracks.  She's also reissued two of the three
limited-edition CDs she sold at gigs while she was trying to 
break free of Mercury:  alas, these are pricey at $20 each.
 
She's releasing three albums of new material in mid-June -- 
available separately, or in a combo pack for a discounted price.
One album is billed as straight rock/folk/blues; one is a Texas 
and Hispanic project; the third is a collection of Walt Disney
movie songs.

Everything (?) from her catalog is available for lo-fi streaming
(21K Real Audio) and she's selling MP3s at a discount to the CDs.

http://www.michelleshocked.com


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