Hi, I read about beautiful song called "Lady Diana Waltz" approx. 10-15 years ago from France. (R. Clayderman?) Anyone familiar with the details? Regard (AW)29 responses total.
I hope the references aren't to Princess Di-- I'm getting saturated enough.
Hello Lumen, I am afraid yes. The song is composed by Olson Ervin Oscar, published by foggy river. It is dedicated to the Grand Wedding in 1981. I found this song after searching BMI index. The only artist I know is richard Clayderman. Do you know any other artist who play the song? Regards (AW)
Isn't Richard Clayderman the guy with the mail order albums you see on cable TV?
Does that mean he's washed up? (Mail order albums usually seem to be the final insult.)
Hi, here is the lyric of the famous song at her funeral: "Goodbye England's rose, may you ever grow in our hearts. You were the grace that placed itself where lives were torn apart. You called out to our country, and you whispered to those in pain. Now you belong to heaven, and the stars spell out your name. And it seems to me you lived your life like a candle in the wind: never fading with the sunset when the rain set in. And your footsteps will always fall here, along England's greenest hills; your candle's burned out long before your legend ever will. Loveliness we've lost; these empty days without your smile. This torch we'll always carry for our nation's golden child. And even though we try, the truth brings us to tears; all our words cannot express the joy you brought us through the years. Goodbye England's rose, from a country lost without your soul, who'll miss the wings of your compassion more than you'll ever know."
Btw, the piece the BBC Choir and soprano solo performed was an arrangement of excerpts from Verdi's Requiem Mass. (A the anthem "I Vow to Thee, My Country" is set to music by Gustav Holst, specifically, the trio section from the "Jupiter" movement from The Planets.)
That is really lovely.. Myself I dont like classicaall that much... have fun folks. **
"Myself I dont like classical music that much" -- Sure you do. You think the trio (ie, middle) section of the "Jupiter" movement from Holst's "The Planets" is really lovely. I bet you'd like the whole thing if you ever heard it. Give it a try some time.
"Eww...classical cooties!" :)
hmm, have to agree with md on that one. The section he's talking about, assuming we're talking about the same one, is great.
But I confess I am the classical cootie man. My goal is to spread classical cooties -- to cootify things, so to speak -- until everyone's infected.
Well, as someone midway through my cootification, I don't much mind.
As long as you don't *barf* infect us with the elitism of the classical culture, I won't mind.
I don't know many elitist classical music fans. I do know a few who can't stand the sound of certain kinds of popular music, but most pop music fans I know are exactly the same. Why is it "elitist" when a classical music fan thinks alternative rock is dull and boring, but not elitist when you find disco music dull and boring?
Hey, me love classical! and damn roud of my latest possesion... The David Oistrahk 5 cd collection... i think i spelled his name wrong... its Oistrakh.... not bad... actually QUITE FABULIOUS!
Michael, Michael, Michael. I do not speak of classical listeners-- I speak of classical *culture* amongst its players. Sometimes I wonder if I'm a fish out of water here. Perhaps if Leslie found it prudent to comment more on performance and education, we'd discuss those topics more, and I'd have a better idea of how many people are musicians here. (However, I sense that kind of slant might grind the cf to a halt for a while.) My attitude is tainted by the egos I encountered at the first college I went to. Classical ensembles were at the height of a music hierarchy at Ricks College. To be in the symphony was to be favored, especially if you were in the chamber orchestra. To be in the wind ensemble was less so, partly because the director of winds was the assistant orchestra director. The jazz ensemble was favored more or less than that. Finally, at least the year I was there, the director of winds had control of the concert band, and he tonguelashed us so bad every day that we actually played better when he was home sick. I also studied piano for 11 years, and I took a short look into the elite world of the concert pianist. I had a weird teacher who didn't believe in music at church, and who believed classical-- baroque, classical, and Romantic (but especially classical) music, that is-- was the only music worthy and righteous enough for her time and effort. I got to play ragtime and New Orleans jazz only by request. She also denounced pop music as 'easy listening' and dancing as evil. I give classical its merits, but my music tastes are very ecclectic and quirky. I generally prefer more complicated genres. I have reason to be wary of dyed-in-the-wool classical lovers as they often give modern music the short shrift (not to mention many of my profs from the old school who lump everything past WWII or so under the "Post-Modern" category). Don't even get me started about concert masters/mistresses or violin solos. In fact, don't even get me started about..Never mind. I am off on a tangent.
Check out Frank Zappa's autobiographical "The Real Frank Zappa Book" for his analysis of the orchestra subcultures... very funny, and not flattering.
But it's the same thing with popular music culture. Listen to them talking about each other. "Elitism" is the attitude of someone who adheres to the preposterous notion that he or she has better taste than I do. That's a universal definition that applies to you and me and all of us.
I will concede that MTV has been a driving force of elitism in the pop music culture. However, I was talking about culture of its players. Pop stars tend to be defiant in their elitism, while classical players are snobbish and sometimes even haughty. Overall, I perceive that pop groups are more egalitarian that symphonies. In a typical rock setup, any group of serious players will admit that each member makes a contribution and is therefore important, save perhaps for a lead singer that never learns to play. I found violinists to be snobby, and sometimes 'cellists more so. As a tuba player, and fitting the quieter profile, I usually found better company with the bass players and sometimes the viola players (as they can tend to be a rare breed). I have had mixed reactions from trombonists, who tend to be clowns, and I found trumpet players to have swelled egos. I found french horn players to be just plain odd. Clarinetists and flutists were usually mousy. Saxophonists were concerned with being cool, baritone horn and euphonium players tended to be as clowny as their closest octave-range neighbors, the trombones, and percussionists had swelled egos, too. Their egos were usually inflated to the "bad-ass" range, however. But-- there was always exceptions to every instrument. It only seems that players of certain instruments fit certain profiles.
Hey, I used to play clarinet, and I do have a mousy personality. If the shoe fits, huh?
The lead singer of a pop band is almost always the trademark of it. Other bandmembers make contributions, but the singer is what people *hear*. There isn't Pearl Jam without Eddie Vedder, Nirvana would never survive without Kurt Cobain (and didn't, despite the vocal talents of Grohl). Three of the four members of Stone Temple Pilots have adopted a new singer and put out an album, but they're not the same band. However, other members can be fired or dropped without too much of an effect. Many drummers have come and gone, and even guitarists and bassists ahve been known to get the axe. But the singer is there. Okay, that was totally off base. anyone else think I"m messed in the head right now?
RE #21 The same can be said for The Doors, which never recovered from the death of their lead vocalist, Jim Morrison.
re #21: Although you're correct that as the most immediately obvious person the vocalist usually gets the lion's share of the exposure in a band that's not universally true.. I can think of plenty of acts that are counterexamples to your theory (such as King Crimson, which has had a large turnover throughout the years, with vocalists cycling more rapidly than the instrumentalists, or Van Halen, who don't seem to have suffered all that much from losing David Lee Roth..)
?There is an album by Alice Donut (Rock) 1993 that contains song "Lady Di". anyone have information? (From AMG).
Yes, mcnally, but don't you think King Crimson before Belew and King Crimson after Belew are just as different, if not more so, than other acts that survive a vocalist change in name?
Van Halen is quite clearly based around the brothers Van Halen, not the vocalist. That's something of a rarity nowadays. Though the potential onset of techno might depreciate vocalists a bit.
re #25: I think the change in style between "Red" and "Discipline" (if I'm remembering the album order correctly..) had to with a lot more than just the change in vocalist -- besides, Belew was hardly the first replacement vocalist in the band -- the band had already seen several lineup changes by that time. And yes, Van Halen isn't typical but it isn't that anomalous, either.. Some other major acts known to readers of this conference who've survived vocalist changes (either voluntary or forced) would include include the Byrds and Fairport Convention and I suspect I could think of a dozen if really pressed..
Yes, Jim, it seems instrumentalists fit certain profiles and-- dare I say it-- stereotypes. The general rule of thumb for *any* ensemble or band, traditional or modern, is than the soloist gets most of the attention. My gripe was with traditional music, where the hierachies seem to be set rather firmly (one notable exception was Keith O'Brien and the New Sousa Band, comprised of the bands of the Armed forces. When the group performed Sousa's "Stars And Stripes Forever," the tuba players played the obligato part usually reserved for the piccolo players, on the repeat of the trio section).
Right, but I don't know the previous lineup changes as well...
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