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Item 233: Alice 106.7 lives here in Detroit

Entered by tpryan on Fri Feb 11 00:51:28 2000:

        WWWW has again become a thing of the past.  106.7fm in Detroit
 has debuted a new format:  Rockin Hits of the 80's, 90's and 70's as
 "Alice 106.7".  
        I've been tuned in for about the past hour now, and yes, it is
 high pop rocking tunes, indeed centering on the 80's.  Rock from 
 Joe Walsh.  Tunes by Billy Joel.  Rocking chart toppers from Prince
 "When Doves Fly" is on right now) and Blondie.
 
        Anybody know when the change occured?   Gone is the W4 Country.
        It is all slicked up, highly self promotional and even insulting
 like other Detroit Stations--ie, "Commercial free music coming up as
 soon as we finish playing these commercials" --Duh!
        They just might get some else's button on the radio.
 
        Would this leave "Young Country"  99.5 as the only Country music
 outlet for the Detroit market?  If it is, there is a big gap on the
 dial for that audience.  99.5fm just is not the strong, all metro
 covering signal that 106.7 has.  I wonder if we will see other changes
 on the dial, these things seem to happen in clusters.

q
34 responses total.

#1 of 34 by krj on Fri Feb 11 01:38:57 2000:

   ((( winter agora #131  <--->  music #233 )))


#2 of 34 by drewmike on Fri Feb 11 01:49:00 2000:

When Doves Fly? The hell you say.


#3 of 34 by mcnally on Fri Feb 11 02:49:48 2000:

  Do doves fly before or after they cry?

  Perhaps we can arrange a country music station swap with western Michigan,
  which (in my opinion) has an overabundance of mediocre country stations.


#4 of 34 by gull on Fri Feb 11 02:57:03 2000:

You can take some of our excess from up here, too.  Also, a friend of mine
from South Carolina has often complained about the preponderance of country
there, so you could probably have some of theirs as well.


#5 of 34 by jazz on Fri Feb 11 04:00:01 2000:

        Some of us *celebrate* when another country station falls.


#6 of 34 by eeyore on Fri Feb 11 04:10:44 2000:

Actually, it changed to Alice several months ago....and it's not an all
together bad format at all.....they ahve a really nice range of music.


#7 of 34 by mcnally on Fri Feb 11 05:03:36 2000:

  I'd really welcome a country station that played country music which
  I consider good, but I'm not holding my breath..  It's not as if I've
  encountered such a thing in any of the other popular musical formats -
  why should country be any different?


#8 of 34 by cmcgee on Fri Feb 11 11:45:41 2000:

W4 disappeared as a country station in early January.  For those in the
eastern Washtenaw/western Wayne County area, my favorite country station is
actually an am station that has been broadcasting country music for 30 years.
WSDS at 1480 has a magnificent playlist, and very personable DJs.  


#9 of 34 by gypsi on Fri Feb 11 14:17:45 2000:

Alice is pretty good, and I listen to it more than IQB or RIF now.  Of course,
this doesn't mean much since the ratio of Planet 96.3 to Alice or any other
station is about 19027:4.  =)


#10 of 34 by jep on Fri Feb 11 16:22:57 2000:

I was driving home from work, listening to W4 Country, when the 
announcer (Michael J. Fox) came on, and said some light, flowery 
things.  He then played "The Dance" by Garth Brooks.  And the radio 
stopped playing music.  For the next couple of days there was a steady 
tone at 106.7, then they came out with their "80's, 90's and 70's" 
format. It's all robot music; no DJs, except in the morning during the 
week (I guess).  What a disappointment.

 I just this week found out where "Young Country" is on the dial, and so 
I'll listen to it occasionally.  There's also a country station in 
Adrian -- out of range for most people in Ann Arbor, but good for 
anywhere in Lenawee County.     


#11 of 34 by flem on Fri Feb 11 18:26:09 2000:

I was somewhat impressed by Alice for about the first month or so they 
were on the air.  Good music, commercials no more obnoxious than any 
other station, DJ's either weren't there or didn't talk much (I don't 
remember which).  But after about a month, it started to go downhill.  
The promotional period was over.  The playlist got padded with a lot of 
junk I'd never heard of, let alone heard.  It's still on my presets, but 
I don't actually listen to it much, and not for long when I do.  
  Young Country is okay... they're sort of the 95.5 of country music, 
overplaying about ten songs and throwing in a few of last weeks overplay 
list for good measure now and then.  

A good 80% of my radio listening time goes to NPR. 


#12 of 34 by gypsi on Fri Feb 11 19:36:56 2000:

95.5 of country music...I love that.  =)

NPR is my savior when in the U.P.  On the Seney Stretch and a stretch of US-41
between L'Anse and Houghton, the seek will go all the way around the band (fun
to watch when bored to death on the Seney Stretch).   You can, however, find
NPR if you play with the tuner yourself.

Yes, I have a tape deck,but it's broken.  =)
(like my spacebar)


#13 of 34 by gull on Fri Feb 11 20:33:41 2000:

Yup...I forget which NPR station it is that you can get there, but I often
listen to it, too.  (Maybe it's 103.5?)


#14 of 34 by tpryan on Fri Feb 11 23:15:47 2000:

        Whatever happened to WiGGLe?


#15 of 34 by carson on Sat Feb 12 06:30:09 2000:

re #13:  (it's WNMU, and it broadcasts on WAY too many frequencies... two
         in the Marquette area alone [102.3 and 90.1, if you must know].)



#16 of 34 by gull on Sun Feb 13 03:18:33 2000:

There's also Michigan Tech's public radio station, on 91.1.  Actually, I
think 91.1 is actually a translator from another frequency, but I'm not
sure.  It covers well the area between Marquette and Houghton after you lose
WNMU.  It's a Minnesota Public Radio feed, for political reasons.  (If it
were CMU Public Radio, MTU would be getting their feed from NMU, their arch
rival school.)


#17 of 34 by carson on Sun Feb 13 05:45:07 2000:

(*ahem*... WNMU also gets feeds from Minnesota Public Radio [Prairie
Home Companion & a finance show that put out the joke book I read
at work, for two], plus feeds from Wisconsin Public Radio & Michigan
Public Radio. my understanding is that MPR does mostly news, as does 
WPR. there's also the Great Lakes Radio Consortium, but I'm not sure
of what makes that up.)


#18 of 34 by senna on Sun Feb 13 09:10:15 2000:

The Planet doesn't impress me at all, but I'm amused that now we've had 
a "decade change" (believe it or not, they seem to), they've begun 
playing some music with guitar amplification again.  Specifically, I 
have managed to hear Smells Like Teen Spirit and some plugged in Bush 
and Pumpkins tunes on there.  Returning to their roots?  A bit, 
perhaps.  80's music is officially flourishing, again, as a retro 
concept.  



#19 of 34 by gypsi on Mon Feb 14 15:17:09 2000:

Well, they play "Alternative Classics from the 70's, 80's, and 90's". 
Supposedly.  I keep hearing songs that are by no means "alternative", but oh
well.  So, you're going to hear the occasional Nirvana, Bush, Pearl Jam, etc
since they were alternative bands of the 90's (and today in some cases).

I prefer the stuff they play on Big Sonic Heaven...*true* "alternative"...when
that term meant alternative and not mainstream. ;-)


#20 of 34 by senna on Mon Feb 14 19:09:33 2000:

The ad may be the same, but the format has changed slightly.  A couple years
before you arrived in town, The Planet moved from your basic alternative
station to one that had a slightly softer sound, targetted primarily at women.
They played a lot of contemporary alternative music, but "hard" stuff was
thrown out the window.  Now that the decade has changed, "hard" stuff is
apparently considered to be something of a flashback.  I went two or three
years without hearing a sing Nirvana or Bush song on that station.


#21 of 34 by gypsi on Mon Feb 14 21:07:00 2000:

I've been listening to the Planet since 1996, so I'm aware of the changes.
(Possible by my biweekly visits to town and Real Audio while in Kazoo).  Nifty
keen.  =)  Anyway, I think you're right about Nirvana etc now being "old
alternative" instead of "new rock" (which is why they didn't play it).


#22 of 34 by lumen on Tue Feb 15 21:12:38 2000:

All of this being primarily a reminder that what is played on the radio 
is simply bait for the advertisements.  Stations play what the majority 
listens to, with the hopes that their advertisements will also reach 
that audience.  (Most DJ's earn the bulk of their dough doing ads, as I 
understand it).

It's very different out here, where country music stations are 
plentiful-- about 3 mainstream and 2 that I call "Hispanic country," 
i.e., stations that play banda, norteno, tejano, etc.


#23 of 34 by orinoco on Tue Feb 15 22:38:57 2000:

(Clueless Midwesterner Question: what are banda, norteno, tejano, etc?)

(or should this be its own item?)


#24 of 34 by keesan on Wed Feb 16 00:11:43 2000:

What is the Planet?


#25 of 34 by mcnally on Wed Feb 16 01:06:11 2000:

  I'm not familiar with banda..  Norteno and tejano are music genres that
  started in the areas on either side of the Mexican/American border and
  have filtered into other regions in the USA. 

  I tend to think of norteno as primarily originating in north-central and
  north-western Mexico (e.g. Chihuahua, Baja California) and tejano as 
  being more Tex-Mex but I could easily be wrong -- my exposure has been
  limited here in the American midwest.



#26 of 34 by gypsi on Wed Feb 16 15:15:56 2000:

The Planet is 96.3 WPLT out of Detroit.


#27 of 34 by orinoco on Wed Feb 16 19:11:36 2000:

_Oh,_ okay....
For years I've been hearing that as WBLT, as in bacon lettuce and
tomato, and thinking "damn, they must've been running low on letters to use".
PLT makes more sense.


#28 of 34 by lumen on Mon Feb 21 22:00:52 2000:

resp:25 right.  I'll have to check on banda-- can't remember for sure 
if it's an actual style.  The Hispanic stations do play a little 
mariachi, too.


#29 of 34 by mikep on Thu Mar 2 22:58:30 2000:

Alice has been out here in the Bay Area for quite a while.  Decent
station...


#30 of 34 by polygon on Tue Mar 7 01:40:48 2000:

I listen to commercial music radio in the car, because (1) my tape player
doesn't seem to work right, and (2) I generally don't want to hear talk
from the radio when I'm driving.

I'm approximately *allergic* to radio commercials.  I will not sit through
them.  Back when they came up with "20 song blocks", I noticed that 20
songs in a row would be followed by 20 commercials in a row, so it made a
lot of sense to tune out as soon when the commercials started.

Much as it may be romantic and polically correct to like "personable DJs"
and despise "robot radio", what I want from the radio is music, no ads, no
idiotic DJ patter.

My station sequence (switch to the next when an ad or an idiot comes on) 
is 88.7, 93.9, 94.7, 94.9, 95.5, 96.3, 101.1, 102.9, 106.7.  If the ads
get really intolerable (e.g. a tour of that list finds no listenable music
going on anwhere), then I flee to NPR stations like WUOM, WKAR, WDET,
WEMU. 

In the morning, when commercial radio stations all have a heavy idiocy and
heavy ad format, there is usually no point in bothering with anything but
public radio. 

The proportion of radio time devoted to ads seems to be increasing,
especially in major markets like Detroit.  Detroit stations spend more
time on ads than say Lansing stations.

At home, when I'm not actually driving, there is almost never any reason
to listen to commercial radio.


#31 of 34 by redrover on Fri Apr 21 20:52:08 2000:

We had Alice here in st louis i believe...she didnt last to long and was
replaced by extreme radio which is a hardcore metal and rock station...when
extreme cropped up it had some sort of add campaign about killing alice and
a woman screaming if i remember correctly, over all i dont think she lasted
too long here


#32 of 34 by scg on Sat Apr 22 05:55:36 2000:

They had a radio station called Alice in Denver as well.


#33 of 34 by tpryan on Sat Apr 22 15:32:00 2000:

        At least Classic Rock 94.7fm is not sending its audience on a search of
the radio dial to find Alice, as they did many years ago then they where
digging on 'Star FM'.  I woke up someone at WCSX when I complained by 
saying "I didn't know you where losing in the ratings that bad to Star 97".
Then having to point out, only the loser would be putting down the leader.


#34 of 34 by brighn on Sun Apr 23 00:35:14 2000:

I hate it when radio stations insult other radio stations. The Bear (? I
think) had a bunch of ads mocking Arthur P. ("Coming up, three hits in a row,
on the flip side of this twenty-minute commercial break!"), and one of the
alt-rock stations (maybe the Planet) has that series "You don't have to sit
through this (burst of Kid Rock, Limp Bizkit, Staind, or Tool) to get to this
(start of next mildly-interesting alt-pop song)."

The problem with both ad series is, it made me want to listen to the radio
station they were mocking... I'd rather listen to Kid Rock and Staind than
Oasis and Goo Goo Dolls. I don't care where you were when we were getting
high. I wish there WAS a radio station that regularly played Staind and
Tool... RIF comes closest, but only when Art's at the helm, and then it
depends on his mood.


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