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Item 190: Net Music: MP3, SDMI, and Disintermediation

Entered by krj on Tue Apr 27 04:41:58 1999:

I've been trying to work up a coherent essay for a few weeks, but 
news is popping so fast on this story that I'll just start this item
and let it wander.
 
MP3, for those who haven't kept up with the story, is a compression format 
for audio files which gets the files down small enough to ship around 
on the Internet, while (reportedly) retaining near-CD quality.  
The MP3 format spawned a little subculture of young people who 
got into trading bootleg copies of files copied from CDs.  As such files
began to be offered on web sites, the RIAA (Record Industry Association of 
America) started to go into a panic.

Also around this time, a new web site, mp3.com, sprang up.  mp3.com
dealt only in legitimate mp3 audio files, and they also began agitating 
for the Internet as a way for musicians to bypass the chokehold which 
record labels have on marketing and distribution.  mp3.com's news and 
opinion pages are well worth visiting if you are interested in tracking 
this story.

MP3 files had one drawback for mass use: you still needed a general-purpose
PC to play them back.  In fall 1998, Diamond Multimedia came out with
a little pocket MP3 player called the Rio.  The RIAA tried to block
the Rio claiming that the player violated copyright law as laid down 
in the Home Recording Rights Act from the early 1990s, but so far the 
RIAA has been losing in court.  The case is on appeal; the Rio is for sale.
 
Promptly after the RIAA's first big court loss in the Rio case, the RIAA
announced plans for the Secure Digital Music Initiative (SDMI).  
The goal of SDMI was to create a system for Internet delivery of 
music which would prohibit illicit copying.
The RIAA grabbed the guy who developed MP3 to head the SDMI project, 
and they raced forward with an incredible deadline: consumer players 
for Christmas 1999.  

The major labels have also taken a hard line against any of their 
own artists who have wanted to flirt with MP3 distribution.  
A few rap artists were made to take down their MP3 files by their 
labels, and today's papers report that Tom Petty's label did the same 
to him.  In general, the RIAA is following a policy of painting MP3
as an inherently criminal format.
 
Saturday's New York Times had a big story about the current state of 
affairs.  The electronics industry says that to deliver players for 
Christmas, they must have specifications by June 30.  But the SDMI 
project is mired in fighting between the record labels, who want what
one unnamed source described as "a digital Fort Knox" to defend their 
recordings against unauthorized copying, and the hardware makers, who 
want the digitial file players to be simple to use and appealing to 
consumers.  Two big bones of contention between the two sides:
(1) Should these new digital file players play MP3 files? 
(2) Should these new players have audio inputs?

Meanwhile, I don't see how SDMI is going to accomplish anything unless 
the RIAA can obtain legislation enforcing SDMI unlocking/decoding 
provisions at the hardware & OS level on all new PCs.

54 responses total.

#1 of 54 by krj on Tue Apr 27 04:42:48 1999:

  ((  Spring Agora #115  <--->  Music #190  ))


#2 of 54 by flem on Tue Apr 27 05:43:11 1999:

Personally, I tried mp3's just after all the free ones disappeared off 
the internet.  I was really disappointed with the sound quality, as well 
as the capture programs out there.  Both were pretty foul.  I'll stick 
to CD's for the foreseeable future.  


#3 of 54 by mcnally on Tue Apr 27 07:27:08 1999:

  Further complicating the picture is a new digital music format introduced
  by Microsoft.  Virtually nobody *but* Microsoft wants to have anything to
  do with it, but Microsoft being who they are, it stands a decent chance of
  "success" anyway.  At the very least it'll be a legacy format that things
  will still have to support years from now..

  Unless I *really* misunderstand things, what the RIAA seems to want --
  a digital format that can't be copied, seems to me like a contradiction
  in terms.  In order for it to be a useful digital format it seems to me
  that there has to be some step in which the unencoded digital information
  is available to the play device, at which point a suitably motivated
  expert will be able to take that data stream and convert to whatever
  format she wants.. 

  The RIAA can certainly complicate that process somewhat by adopting a
  really obnoxious format but I see no way they can stop it completely.
  The people in the recording industry who are writing the requirements
  for the new format just seem to fundamentally misunderstand the situation
  and what sort of things they can and can't control.  Certainly they seem
  oblivious to the fact that unencrypted digitally-encoded copies of the
  information they're jumping through hoops to protect are already available --
  for a few bucks at any store that sells CDs. 

  I just really, really, really don't understand what it is they think they
  can design into their digital format that will stop digital music piracy.
  Other than handwaving about "encryption" and "encoded serial numbers" does
  anyone really understand what it is they hope to do?


#4 of 54 by mdw on Tue Apr 27 07:34:05 1999:

There's no mystery about about what they hope to do -- they hope to make
it somewhere between difficult and impossible to violate copyright.


#5 of 54 by scott on Tue Apr 27 11:10:52 1999:

They really want the music distribution industry to stay exactly the same as
it has been.

I find it really interesting that while the above is going on, there has been
a spate of mergers and mass layoffs of both artists are record company
employees.  Now when all those laid off people start looking for ways to
compete, they stand a good chance at beating the majors into online business.


#6 of 54 by cyklone on Tue Apr 27 11:53:29 1999:

I'd like to see some bands use a shareware approach to music distribution. 
The free download would only include a portion of the artist's full
release.  This would encourage (a) the creations and distribution of
"bonus" tracks (already a popular approach on things like anthologies) 
and also inspire creative packaging, lyric presentations, and artwork (to
be included only with the paid for units). 



#7 of 54 by jazz on Tue Apr 27 12:19:26 1999:

        The record industry really should pay more attention to what happens
when it attempts to regulate industry standards like DAT;  they succeeded in
killing the commercial DAT format in the 'States in the late eighties, and
Sony released the somewhat more successful minidisc format unhindered.

        MP3 decoding chips are becoming increasingly inexpensive, as is FLASH
RAM, the most popular means of MP3 storage on the portable players.  I've a
feeling that any alternative standard won't be anywhere near as inexpensive
as the Rio and her kin.


#8 of 54 by lowclass on Tue Apr 27 12:40:04 1999:

        I'm not too familiar (or concerned) with the technical issues. As
a hopefully "starving artist" looking for a market, (writing) I think one
 has to consider the success curve for musicians. Current industry trends
in the Audio market are those of consolidation and (potentially) lower
opportunities for those beginning a career in singing or playing. The
esistance of MP3 gives the beginning individuals and groups a chance to show
there wares, at leat potentially, to the world at large.

        Maybe an adjunct commitee or group to ASP? (Association of Shareware
Professionals)


#9 of 54 by nex on Tue Apr 27 15:38:59 1999:

I'm a user of mp3's, and I can see where record companies get mad.
I do think, however, that it is a good opportunity for new artists to expand
their horizons, and get heard by many for posting mp3s.


#10 of 54 by mcnally on Tue Apr 27 16:10:07 1999:

 re #4:  I understand that that's what they *hope* to do.  I just don't
         understand how they think it's possible to control what's done
         with the information once it reaches the consumer. 

         They can probably ensure that any sort of portable Walkman-like
         player doesn't make it easy to copy and distribute the music
         but I don't see how they can control what happens to it on a
         PC..


#11 of 54 by jazz on Tue Apr 27 16:47:49 1999:

        Unless they license the technology so that it is never used on a PC.


#12 of 54 by mdw on Wed Apr 28 07:50:34 1999:

Actually, it's more than that they want to make it hard to violate
copyright, what they're really seeking to do is to have a monopoly on
the music distribution business.  Otherwise, they wouldn't be working so
hard to kill MP3 -- they would just concentrate on making sure "their"
music weren't released on MP3.


#13 of 54 by jazz on Wed Apr 28 11:51:19 1999:

        Once something's released in MP3 format, however, it's no longer
re-licensable, so it wouldn't be possible for a record company to purchase
the rights to the music afterwards.


#14 of 54 by raven on Wed Apr 28 19:26:31 1999:

It seems like the protection scheme is pretty useless anyway couldn't
you just plug an adapter into the headphone slot of the player and
record onto DAT tape?


#15 of 54 by drewmike on Wed Apr 28 19:55:58 1999:

Probably. But then you've made two trips through digital/analog transcoding,
and there goes the quality benefit.
 
("DAT tape" = redundant.)


#16 of 54 by orinoco on Wed Apr 28 21:45:12 1999:

But aren't there tape recorders that will copy from one DAT to another without
turning the signal into sound and back in between?


#17 of 54 by mcnally on Thu Apr 29 00:13:12 1999:

  Yes, certainly there are.  But what raven proposes in #14 (take a signal
  from the headphone or speaker out jack of the hypothetical digital music
  playing device) is not using a digital signal -- by the time it gets to
  the speaker out or the headphone jack, the signal has been converted from
  digital to analog by the player.  The tape deck would have to convert back
  to digital to store on DAT.  

  I suspect that consumer models, at least, of any digital music playback
  device to use these new formats will *not* have a digital signal output.
  However, unless the format is going to be "unplayable" on a PC (and I 
  don't see how they could ensure that..) someone's going to find and spread
  a way to rip out just the digital music data and leave behind all the
  serial number and copyright metadata..


#18 of 54 by krj on Thu Apr 29 00:44:11 1999:

Ah, but under the latest revision to copyright law, 
defeating copy protection schemes is a heavy-duty felony.


#19 of 54 by lilwei on Thu Apr 29 07:36:27 1999:

ok  this text is very good 
I feel it better than others


#20 of 54 by ncric on Thu May 6 17:05:32 1999:

Well I had to create a new account just so I could respond here..

MP3.com is doing some cool things for the indie music market (and they 
will probably eventually break into mainstream too).  For example, an 
artist can send in MP3's of all their music and MP3.com will burn CD's 
on demand, sending the artist 50% of the take.  No real costs at all to 
the artist.  It's pretty cool.  The only requirement is that the artist 
selects (at least) one song from the album to be "free", so that MP3.com 
can give the song away in MP3 format.

I remember back in '94 when I first started going to The Verve Pipe's 
web site at IUMA, they had MP2 audio files of some of their songs.  They 
took forever to download! :)


#21 of 54 by scott on Sat May 8 22:53:12 1999:

My own feeling (my hope, actually) is that the ease of copying and
transmitting perfect digital copies will radically change the music industry.


#22 of 54 by gull on Sun May 9 04:49:33 1999:

Before, or after we've had a lot of our freedom eroded by business interests
buying off legislators?


#23 of 54 by cyklone on Tue May 11 23:17:52 1999:

The Sunday NY Times had a great article about the music industry and the
internet. Highly recommended. 



#24 of 54 by krj on Mon May 17 21:47:43 1999:

From WIRED NEWS, 14 May: 
 http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/19682.html
 
The Secure Digital Music Initiative people are reportedly formulating
an Evil Plan to try to exterminate the criminal format MP3:

   "SDMI backers want manufacturers to build a time-bomb trigger into 
    their products that, when activated at a later date, would prevent 
    users from downloading or playing non-SDMI-compliant music.
    The hardware would initially support MP3 and other compressed file
    formats, but a signal from the RIAA would activate the blocking 
    trigger. 
 
   "Hardware and software developers that refuse to build in the switch
    would not have access to the SDMI specifications or the major-label 
    music that will be made available when the specification is 
    complete.
 
   "According to a source who attended the SDMI meeting last week, 
    participants discovered that the Internet and music industries have
    precious little in common.  Coming to a consensus on the delivery 
    of digital music may be all but impossible, said the source, who 
    requested anonymity.
 
   "Committee members from the technology industry were convinced that 
    record labels don't 'get' the Internet, where open standards are 
    the norm."

So, the idea is to try to trick people into buying a player which
will play MP3 files, and then disable the MP3 functionality after 
(the RIAA hopes) everyone has thrown away their non-SDMI stuff.
 
Wow.  My guess is that a version of SDMI with a "time bomb" included 
will be DOA in the market.



#25 of 54 by mcnally on Tue May 18 06:00:48 1999:

  Every single piece of information I read about the music industry's
  reaction to digital music screams "THEY JUST DON'T GET IT."  In fact,
  it's impressive (uncanny, actually) how thoroughly they manage to
  Not Get It.

  I'm pretty sure that their scheme will wind up deader than DIVX,
  but I'm intrigued by how much effort they're putting into a fight
  which I can't see how they can win..


#26 of 54 by gull on Wed May 19 01:38:24 1999:

Re #24:  I'm not sure I'd trust Wired's reporting on this...their journalism
has a strong yellow tint to it.

Still, the theme lately seems to be big industry associations trying
desperately to protect archaic ways of doing business.  The National
Association of Broadcasters, at one point, was pushing for a law that would
prevent anyone from streaming more than 10 seconds of continuous video on
the Internet.


#27 of 54 by dang on Thu May 20 20:24:57 1999:

Whatever they do, in terms of legal stuff, it won't work.  The internet
will not be legislated.  There will always be enough Americans who will
ignore or work around the law, until it's challenged and brought down,
and, asside from that, the Internet is not just in America.


#28 of 54 by ncric on Sat May 22 13:30:42 1999:

Yes, and the MP3 format is popular all over the world, not just in America.

BTW, I just downloaded and paid for a really nice MP3 software the other
day... it came recommended at MP3.com as "the only MP3 software you'll ever
need".. it rips MP3's and Real Audio direct from CD-ROM, it'll convert WAV's
to MP3's and back again, has a nice library function, good interface, etc..
well worth the $29.95 I paid for it 1 hour after downloading the "trial
version" (which is limited to recording only 5 songs).

Fat Amy will soon be making one of their old albums available through
MP3.com's "DAM" program.  What we do is upload MP3's to their system, making
(at least) one "freely available".  Then we set a price between $4.99 and
$9.99 (Fat Amy has decided on $6.99).  And when someone orders it, MP3.com
will burn a fresh copy of it, include a jewel case and some rudimentary
artwork, and send Fat Amy a check for 50% of the sales price.

Of course, we're not expecting that anyone who isn't already a Fat Amy fan
will buy it, but the album has been unavailable for 2 years now and there are
a lot of Fat Amy fans who have been asking for the CD.  Not enough to warrant
going out and printing 1000 more CD's or anything, but this should definately
appease those who really want the album.


#29 of 54 by krj on Wed May 26 20:46:19 1999:

The SDMI people have put out a press release denying they are working on 
a MP3 "time bomb" in the spec.  However, what they do say they are working
on is so complicated I have not yet been able to wrap my mind around
it.  See the news pages at http://www.mp3.com


#30 of 54 by gutchess on Sun May 30 15:07:01 1999:

"They" have contracted with a software company to make the digital file
playable two times for free then, somehow, it becomes unplayable junk.

The Fat Amy example is a perfect example of how new technology allows easier
entry into the market.  A tiny group like Fat Amy can satisfy their tiny
following by going the MP3.com route of 1-offs, singly produced CD's.

Remember, just because someone else's work is easy to copy and therefore
steal, does not mean that it is easy to justify.  You are allowed to make
copies of stuff for personal use, but to make copies for re-sale is wicked
and evil.  Stealing for commercial purposes, for commercial re-sale is
considered 1st degree theft, the most treacherous type of theft.  The theif
may not get caught right away, but will not go unpunished.

Think how intellectual property production (music, writing, artwork) would
flounder if only one copy of the original were purchased from the artist,
writer or musician, and all subsequent copies were made with authorization
by the artist and with recompense to the artist.  Who would want to make a
career of being an artist if there were no protections for their work?

The impact of the Internet on the music industry, the telephone industry, the
broadcast industry, the advertising industry is to eliminate tyrannical
control of these industries.  The Internet has reduced barriers to entry, and
as a result, I think we will see less arrogance from those who erected those
barriers.


#31 of 54 by gutchess on Sun May 30 15:13:42 1999:

...all subsequent copies were made without authorization by the artist and
without recompoense to the artist.  <correction>


#32 of 54 by drew on Sun May 30 15:31:04 1999:

I have decided to weigh in *against* having the concept of "intellectual
property" in the law.

Yes, this would tend to slow down the processes of creation of art,
entertainment, and technology. However:

* The music and movies and such aren't exactly blue chip stock;

* It's my observation that technology tends to undermine freedom - both
  through responses to people misusing the tech (cars, guns, etc.) and
  by giving the powers that be more effective tools in imposing their
  mandates.

Technology is a useful thing to have around. But I am not willing to support
the feedback loop of undermining freedom to promote something that tends to
undermine freedom.

New stuff would still be written and invented. It would just go a bit slower,
and have a slightly different set of motivations behind it.


#33 of 54 by scg on Sun May 30 17:15:17 1999:

Without a legal concept of intellectual property, how are artists, musicians,
computer programmers, etc. supposed to get paid?


#34 of 54 by i on Sun May 30 18:50:42 1999:

Contract performance would provide some pay - if you want live music, a
program that fills your specific need, etc., you have to pay for it.  The
free recordings, especially, might tend to be pretty poor if the band,
studio, etc. got paid the $ame (zilch) whatever the quality of the product 
(especially if the band thought too much good recorded stuff would undercut
their live shows).  

On the flip side, where would all the benefits flow if the stuff was free?


#35 of 54 by lowclass on Sun May 30 21:24:54 1999:

        So MY self paid training, abilities, and intellect are available
to YOU for free.

        What was it you do for a living? I've got this list...


#36 of 54 by ncric on Mon May 31 03:16:56 1999:

Fat Amy's "tiny market" sold nearly 3,000 copies of that CD over the 
course of time.  But the demand died down a while ago and they didn't 
want to spend the $$$ to print any more, so this was a perfect outlet 
for the relatively tiny "remaining" market of people who still want the 
album.

The good news of exposure for little Fat Amy on MP3.com is that in the 5 
days since I posted "Purple" to the site, it has risen through the ranks 
and yesterday was the #1 most popular song in "Power Pop" with 70 
previews and 25 downloads (which also qualified it for #10 in 
alternative).

http://www.mp3.com/fatamy/


#37 of 54 by mwg on Wed Jun 2 15:36:15 1999:

I have the unpopular, but probably accurate, view that the various
entertainment industries exist more because of the pirates than in spite
of them.  I've not cared enough to do detailed research, but it seems to
me that all the really popular media forms are the ones that can be copied
with little effort.  As far as I can see, there are a lot more outlets for
music and video than for books, which do not lend themselves to
duplication easily.  If the industries could exert the kind of control
they wanted, I expect they'd be bankrupt before they figured out what
happened.  I suspect that people buy things that they 'expense-spread' on
that they would never consider if they had to pay the usurious prices that
the entertainment industries would attempt first if reliable copy-limiting
existed.  DVDs seem to have soared in popularity right after word started
going around that the analog copy-protection could be defeated by
off-the-shelf macrobusters.  (Region control breaking probably did not
hurt either.)

Translating all the above, I think that the entertainment industries are
making more money because of the easy duplication than they would
otherwise.  They complain of lost revenue on the errant assumption that
thier sales would not sink if copies were impossible.  Not a politically
correct statement, but I'd bet it reflects reality much more closely than
any logic models of the industries involved.


#38 of 54 by rtg on Wed Jun 2 17:32:11 1999:

So what you're saying is that the publishers have a very skewed idea of the
real economics of their product?
 At the $16 list price of CD's , I buy few.  I wait until I can get them
for $6 thru the mail.  I haven't practiced any 'price spreading' myself,
although in the old days of LPs and reel-to-reel tape recorders, my music
collection was augmented by wholesale swaps of LP stacks during vacations,
so I guess this could be construed as 'price spreading' thru barter.

  I've heard it said that the old LP's cost about $3 to produce, and sold
for $6, while CD's cost $.60 to produce, and sell for $16.  If the
publishers weren't so greedy, and accepted the same 100% markup, there's be
little incentive for end-user copying, and the publishers would see much
closer to their entire market.


#39 of 54 by mwg on Wed Jun 2 18:48:37 1999:

A very skewed view, yes.  Retail outfits know this to a degree.  Sales of
DVDs would be rather slower if the MSRP were used, which tends to be about
$25 for the average disc.  The stores bring the price down to about $20,
the lesser per-item profit being more than offset by the sheer volume of
increased sales.  The online retailers are pushing it even harder, with
with up to 40% off MSRP becoming the pre-order standard, and I've started
buying there.  The discount is in excess of the shipping costs by a fair
margin if you order more than one disc at once.

The various Intellectual Property interests will probably continue to
waste huge amounts of money and effort on copy control instead of
analyzing the patterns and optimizing thier pricing/control points.  This
is a losing battle, for every brain they can put on the project, a
thousand brains, most of them better than the hired one, will be working
to break the lock.

Before anyone points out that there are wonderful, nearly goof-proof
security methods available for this sort of thing, I'll point out that
effective mass distribution means that such methods cannot be used, or
they would be.


#40 of 54 by senna on Wed Jun 2 19:53:16 1999:

I think the unpopularity of books relates more to the fact that people 
want less involved forms of entertainment than to the difficulty of 
being copied.


#41 of 54 by tpryan on Wed Jun 2 21:45:50 1999:

        Borders chain sold on the order of 3,400 copies of the Phantom
Menance novelization and 2,000 copies of the graphic novel last week,
in about the third week of release.  Multiply this by a couple more
large chains, then compare to the how many million that seen the movie
this past week (or will see it in it's third week of release).


#42 of 54 by bru on Fri Jun 4 04:01:11 1999:

I have a freind who is selling CD of the Pahntom Menace for the cost of 2 CD.
It axctually plays rether well on his computer.


#43 of 54 by scg on Fri Jun 4 04:13:30 1999:

That would be a pirated copy, I presume.  That's rather illegal, and from what
I hear, Lucas's organization is going after that sort of thing.


#44 of 54 by jazz on Fri Jun 4 21:22:21 1999:

        And they have stiff fines.  It's like being fined $20,000 for stealing
a slice of bread.


#45 of 54 by ncric on Sat Jun 12 20:56:04 1999:

One of my clients, AWARE Music, a relatively well known indie label in 
Chiago is getting ready to try digital distribution of some of their 
music, using Liquid Audio.  I haven't had any experience with Liquid 
Audio yet.. anyone else?

FWIW, Fat Amy has now sold 21 copies of "Ice Cream Headache" =)


#46 of 54 by krj on Fri Jun 18 20:20:02 1999:

Various MP3 stories continue to pour out: www.mp3.com's news pages 
are, as always, a good place to start looking, as is Wired's continuing
Mp3 coverage at:  
  http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/mpthree/
 
The RIAA's lawsuit against the Diamond Rio portable MP3 player was 
thrown out by the US Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.    The appeals 
court judge ruling upheld the trial court's ruling that the Rio 
is not a "digital audio recording device" as defined by the 
Audio Home Recording Act of 1992, and thus is not covered by that act.

The first round of the Secure Digital Music Initiative (SDMI) 
specifications are nearly done, but not released.  
Phase I SDMI equipment will play MP3 files; a future Phase II 
will not.  The SDMI people are racing a June 30 deadline to get 
their specifications to the hardware industry.

   (In other words, SDMI plans to be a parasite on the distributed 
    base of MP3 recordings, and then plans to turn around and try 
    to destroy the utility of those recordings at a later time.)

John Perry Barlow, a founder of the Electronic Frontier Foundation
and a Grateful Dead lyricist, was the keynote speaker at a recent MP3
meeting and he had some harsh words for the RIAA, comparing their 
tactics against the MP3 file format to the War on Drugs.  
"((Music publishers)) insist that they still own 
most of the music in the world.  I think music is the common 
property of humanity."

"To fight SDMI, the EFF has founded the Consortium for Audiovisual 
Free Expression, aimed at preserving freedom of expression from 
copyright protection, he said."

  http://www.eff.org/cafe/


#47 of 54 by krj on Wed Jul 14 20:18:39 1999:

News item:  a company called Audiohighway.com claims to have been granted 
a patent which will cover all portable players which download digital
music.  Supposedly they applied for this patent in 1995.  

I think the Patent Office needs a few whacks on the head with a 
two by four....   this falls into the category of "too obvious to be 
patentable," as do so many of their computer-related patents.


#48 of 54 by mcnally on Thu Jul 15 04:27:54 1999:

  <sigh>

  I agree completely.  The PTO people just aren't up to the task of
  making reasonable decisions in the computer age.  Complicating matters
  further, patent law has been applied to computer algorithms as the best
  fit among the various types of intellectual property protections that
  existed in law at the time it became an issue but "best fit" doesn't 
  mean "good fit"

  


#49 of 54 by other on Fri Jul 16 02:22:50 1999:

so this patent covers all laptop and palmtop computers with sound cards and
speakers?


#50 of 54 by mcnally on Fri Jul 16 17:14:00 1999:

  I still remember back in the 80s when someone was allegedly awarded a
  software patent on the process of element-by-element string comparison..


#51 of 54 by dbratman on Wed Jul 21 20:50:50 1999:

I want a patent on obnoxiousness in online postings.  Then I'd refuse 
to license it, and life would be so much more peaceful. <g>


#52 of 54 by mcnally on Wed Jul 21 23:44:23 1999:

  If it wasn't denied on the basis of 'obviousness' I'm afraid you'd
  still have to deal with a substantial body of 'prior art.'


#53 of 54 by remmers on Mon Jul 26 18:20:08 1999:

And true obnoxiousness is, indeed, an art.


#54 of 54 by krj on Wed Sep 1 00:39:34 1999:

Online news sources such as www.sonicnet.com are reporting the 
conviction of Jeff Levy, who earns the dubious distinction of 
the first felony conviction under the 1997 "No Electronic Theft Act."
Levy was convicted of running an MP3 server with copyrighted 
songs at his school, the University of Oregon.  
 
Levy could face a maximum sentence of 3 years in prison and a
$250,000 fine, though he pled guilty in return for prosecutors'
pledge to seek "the most lenient sentence allowed under federal
guidelines."


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